Bunting again is questionable [Fixed 9.34]

[DeViLzzz2006]

The '27 Chisox were playing me and had their last chance at bat and with one out and nobody on and with them being down 5-2 the batter continuously tried to bunt his way on. He had been 0 for 3 with a walk that day but still he had a better chance of say getting that walk or coming up with a hit instead of basically giving himself up. Also the next 3 hitters due up were all 1 for 3 on the day.

[SF_Giants]

well clay suggested in the topic about the bug to set your bunt for hit in the settings around -50%, so maybe that will help(if you haven't tried it already)?

[HoustonGM]

Is this with patch 9.32?
Is this in player or manager mode?
What's the batters bunt and speed ratings?

[DeViLzzz2006]

This is in player mode ...... and as for changing settings I will look to do that in the future if that is a possibility but I mean I am seeing teams especially these '27 Chisox killing their opportunities to beat me by bunting at times that just aren't right. The batter that just did it was hitting like .322 ... yeah maybe in this situation he just wanted to surprise the defense but it isn't like the guy has great speed and quite frankly the rest of top of the order was coming up so that added to it not making sense ....

but what I hate most is when players are bunting with runners on and it says in play by play that they were sac runner along when at that time in the game it didn't call for it ....


I am using patch 9.32

[HoustonGM]

YOu can't expect the AI to be as smart as a human manager when it comes to sacrifice bunting. I think the fact that the players that bunt now are players that would bunt and not fat, slow guys, is a huge step, and so far in 5 games with 9.32, I havent had any problem with the bunting.

[DeViLzzz2006]

Well I have seen a heck of alot of games where rallies are killed with inappropriate bunting ..... and uhmmm I have watched alot of baseball and have read about it and I understand the small ball dead ball era and maybe that is what these teams are doing in 1927 but the truth is they are going wayyyyy too far. When you only have 3 outs to play with in an inning and you already have 1 out I don't think a hitter at the top of your lineup should be laying one down for a hit at this time .... and again one example that I checked on showed that the guy was trying to sac a guy over so giving up an out to make it 2 outs and you are down 5-2 or whatever ..... that is idiotic ......

at the end of this seaosn I am going to go back over and look for them all

[DeViLzzz2006]

well clay suggested in the topic about the bug to set your bunt for hit in the settings around -50%, so maybe that will help(if you haven't tried it already)?


Thanks SF ... will try at some point soon ....

[HoustonGM]

Still, it all depends on the speed and bunt ratings of the players.

[DeViLzzz2006]

Bottom of the 8th down 2-0 with one out and they have the top of their .300 hitting lineup coming up ... top of the order ... and Buddy Myer a .293 hitter gives himself up and now it is 2 outs and a runner on 2nd but they are down 2 !!!!! I know someone told me to adjust something earlier with my game and will do so after this season but this is the kind of junk I just can't understand. Every single time the closer teams to me have a chance to win they blow it by bunting too much. They play to lose .....

[DeViLzzz2006]

Senators down 5-1 early and bunting all the time with 1 out already in inning is driving me nuts and they have their top players up ..... idiotic

[HoustonGM]

Again, do these players have a high speed? Just go into Simulation Settings and adjuist the necessary things. I'm not seieng these problems you're having (anymore).

[DeViLzzz2006]

Ok I see the simulation settings and now see the % signs and well how far do I go minus for both bunt for a hit and bunt for sac ???? Just lookin for a recommendation again .....

[HoustonGM]

No clue, you'll have to tinker with that yourself.

[Clay Dreslough]

[QUOTE=DeViLzzz2006]but what I hate most is when players are bunting with runners on and it says in play by play that they were sac runner along when at that time in the game it didn't call for it ..../QUOTE]Whether the bunt was a "sacrifice" or not depends entirely on the scorer's decision, not what the batter was trying to do. So a good bunter with good speed might decide to drop down a bunt hoping to get a hit. If they get him out at first he'll still get credit for a sacrifice even though he was trying to get a hit and not waste an out.

By the way, sac bunts tend to be down the third base line, while bunts for hits are often down the first base line (to pull off the first baseman off the bag and force the pitcher to make the play at first).

You might think a .300 hitter wouldn't bunt for a hit much, but Hall-Of-Famers like Ozzie Smith and Maury Wills did it a fair amount. If the infield is back they have a good chance to get on base with a bunt. And it also keeps the infield honest. Next time up the infielders will cheat in a little and it's easier to poke a hit through the infield.

Finally if there's too much bunting just go into Simulation Settings (on the Tools Menu) and reduce it.

[SirKodiak]

Official Rules: 10.00 The Official Scorer
SACRIFICES
10.09
(a) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the batter advances one or more runners with a bunt and is put out at first base, or would have been put out except for a fielding error.
(b) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the fielders handle a bunted ball without error in an unsuccessful attempt to put out a preceding runner advancing one base. EXCEPTION: When an attempt to turn a bunt into a putout of a preceding runner fails, and in the scorer’s judgment perfect play would not have put out the batter at first base, the batter shall be credited with a one-base hit and not a sacrifice.
(c) Do not score a sacrifice bunt when any runner is put out attempting to advance one base on a bunt. Charge the batter with a time at bat.
(d) Do not score a sacrifice bunt when, in the judgment of the scorer, the batter is bunting primarily for a base hit and not for the purpose of advancing a runner or runners. Charge the batter with a time at bat.
NOTE: In applying the above rule, always give the batter the benefit of the doubt.

Emphasis is mine.