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petrel
07-12-2006, 07:35 PM
Someone in a thread somewhere pointed out a list of baseball transaction terminology and what these terms mean. The game doesn't have a 40-man roster or the Rule V Draft (yet), but I would like to suggest that "Veteran Players" be added for future editions.

"Veteran Players"
Any player who has been in the major leagues for five full seasons may not be assigned to a minor-league team without his written consent. This sometimes puts the team in a bad position, because a player with five years has every right to say, "I don't want to go to New Orleans. You can either release me and keep paying me, or keep me on the major league roster and keep paying. Your choice."

Also, a player with five years of service time who is traded in the middle of a multi-year contract may demand another trade prior to the start of the season following the one in which he was traded.

Any player with at least 10 years of Major League service, the last five of which have been with one Major League Club, may not be traded to another Major League Club without his written consent. This is commonly known as "the five-and-ten rule."

(From the website.)

The tough question is "how hard would this be to code?"

I don't see that the first and third paragraphs would be hard to do. The "Vitals" section already calcuates service time, and service time is a "sortable stat". It would be a simple "if-then program".

(Owner wants to move player to minor leagues)
If (player has less than five years service time)
THEN (allow move)
ELSE IF (player gives written permission)
THEN 1. allow move
2. show pop up "Player gives permission! Lucky you!"
ELSE 1. block move
2. show pop up "You must keep this player on the major league
roster or release him -- you don't have permission".

The third paragraph shouldn't be bad either. When proposing a trade, before the computer approves it, it looks at the service time of all players involved. If a player has service time > 10 years, it determines for each player if the other team is an "acceptable team". If it is, the trade goes forward, else
there is a popup-window.

("This trade was blocked by <name of player>. He has 10 years of service and he refuses the trade.")

The hard part is that the player also has to have five years of service time with the same club. Another sortable stat would have to be created, "time with current club". (I think fans would like that stat -- it would be interesting to know who leads the league in time with a club.)

The hard part would be paragraph two. How does a player "demand another trade"? How does that work out?

Even so, I think the game would be more interesting if the Veteran Players rules were implemented. No one could hide veterans in the minors, and it would make for more interesting roster management.

--Pet

HoustonGM
07-12-2006, 07:40 PM
Any player who has been in the major leagues for five full seasons may not be assigned to a minor-league team without his written consent. This sometimes puts the team in a bad position, because a player with five years has every right to say, "I don't want to go to New Orleans. You can either release me and keep paying me, or keep me on the major league roster and keep paying. Your choice."
That's the easiest to implement, i would think. It could just be a matter of ratings/stats. Theg uys with high ratings and/or the guys who have decent stats, would refuse the assignemtn. Lower rated veterans and guys with bad stats would accept it.

I'd like to see it implemented, along with 40-man rosters, etc.

hitandrun
07-12-2006, 07:41 PM
Oh yeah, I agree. I would like to see this added.

tdk1984
07-13-2006, 02:30 PM
I would as well.

TheNamelessPoet
07-13-2006, 02:39 PM
Another vote for it

PLA
07-13-2006, 04:14 PM
yea

coloradoexpress
07-14-2006, 01:41 PM
Count me as a "yes" vote...

Red Sox Fan 734
07-14-2006, 04:11 PM
Count me as a "yes" vote...
same here

ohms_law
07-14-2006, 08:01 PM
It would be nice.

Red Sox Fan 734
07-14-2006, 10:54 PM
Also beng able to dfa players would be a nice addition

nuzzy62
11-19-2006, 07:07 PM
This would be great and make the game more realistic. I know that as it is now, I'm able to vulture young talent and stockpile it.

I've played 5 and 10 in other baseball games and it really makes it tough to trade aging veterans! Be careful in signing guuys to long term contracts.!

Jono992
11-19-2006, 07:57 PM
Also, a player with five years of service time who is traded in the middle of a multi-year contract may demand another trade prior to the start of the season following the one in which he was traded.


--Pet

This has actually been eliminated in the new MLB collective bargaining agreement.

Red Sox Fan 734
11-19-2006, 08:01 PM
If this gets added, that would be GREAT

dolfanar
11-19-2006, 11:29 PM
Yes, yes, Oh GOD yes!!!!!!!!!!



I think I wet myself...

ohms_law
11-20-2006, 02:57 AM
nuzzy62, please don't post in threads that haven't been posted in in 4 months. If you see something old like this that you want to talk about yourself, it would be best to start a new thread.
Anyway, at least it in the correct forum now.

Jono992 makes an excellent point:

This has actually been eliminated in the new MLB collective bargaining agreement.

How about we get a system when Free agency can be turned off before adding things like this?

midwestjw
11-20-2006, 05:16 PM
It could be good, but like it's been said it was eliminated in the lastest labor contract.

as for free agency, there should be like a loyalty to a team to stay with them and take less money or so.

I've played the games for fifteen seasons and Pulols alway stays with STL, but as soon as Mauer and Morneua are up for arbitration, they're set loose. If they're happy in there team they should be allowed to stay.

disposablehero
11-20-2006, 06:00 PM
id like to see era appropriate rules (optional, of course), ie. selling players outright, 154 game schedules, and the trade demand clause of the 5 and 10 ;)

HoustonGM
11-20-2006, 09:57 PM
It could be good, but like it's been said it was eliminated in the lastest labor contract.

as for free agency, there should be like a loyalty to a team to stay with them and take less money or so.

I've played the games for fifteen seasons and Pulols alway stays with STL, but as soon as Mauer and Morneua are up for arbitration, they're set loose. If they're happy in there team they should be allowed to stay.
That's because Minnesota is a very small market compared to St. Louis. Granted, players shouldnt be set lose upon being arb. eligible. ESPECIALLY stars. Players are only non-tendered if they're not worht it, usually. I gaurnetee you Morneau and Mauer won't be free agents until...well...they're ELIGIBLE for free agency after 6 years...