Man with gun stops criminal

[williethebasset]

If there were more gun control laws, at least another would have been stabbed (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/21/D8J0MBOG2.html)

In MA the hero would have been charged with: unlawful possesion of a handgun, carrying a concealed weapon, carrying a concealed weapon in a motor vehicle, unlawful arrest, and probobly a few other democrat laws.

[kingmob]

he shouldve just shot the prick.....thats tenn. for ya.....tenneseans are about as close to texans as you can get without living in texas

[williethebasset]

Texas is a good place, one day, I may live there.

[kingmob]

there is a spirit of freedom and individuality here....its hot as a mo****a though

[williethebasset]

hot weather, provided that I have AC, doesn't bother me.

[robinhoodnik]

How's the humidity inland? It's a muthaf***er here. I'm tired of hot, wet weather and democrats too.

[kingmob]

heh the demorats are sposed to save us from dese evil republonazis.....hilary loves us alll...

[robinhoodnik]

The queen of the commies? Loves me? AAAAAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! No! Make it stop! It burrrnnnnnsssssssssss!

[williethebasset]

How's the humidity inland? It's a muthaf***er here. I'm tired of hot, wet weather and democrats too.

Its nice and dry today, but the rainy days were horrible. Everything was sticky.

[williethebasset]

heh the demorats are sposed to save us from dese evil republonazis.....hilary loves us alll...

http://patriotshop.us/images/RunHillary_large.jpg

(For use on front bumper only)

[robinhoodnik]

That's good. I like it.:D

[HoustonGM]

Why does being a Democrat = being a Communist? Sorry, they're completely different.

[kingmob]

not much

[HoustonGM]

not much
Democrats are not anti-capitalism.. I assume there are some Democrats who are against capitalism, but theres probably very few if any democrats who would support making America a communist state.

[robinhoodnik]

It doesn't. There do happen to be a lot of politicians in tha Democratic party right now that hold either Socialist or Communistic political ideals. We aren't talking about northern european socialists either. The views and ideas being put forth are very similar to the Russian Socialism/Communism of the cold war era. Nothing good ever comes from those political ideals except in theory. Those political ideals, once put into practice, create a power vacuum which is/has always been filled by a dictator. The more power given to the government under those regimes, the more vile the leader produced seems to be. It's not just the Democratic party that has potential for despotism right now either. The Republicans are beginning to lean in a direction that seems to be leading towards backing a Roman emperor like figure for a president/candidate. That's why Mitt Romney as a candidate bothers me. He often behaves as a Roman emperor would. I agree with King in that we're all in big trouble no matter which way we go right now.

[robinhoodnik]

Democrats are not anti-capitalism. They're anti-you taking advantage of capitalism.

[robinhoodnik]

Ask yourself this question; Why do our elected leaders need to live apart from their constituents in gated communities with armed guards and secret service agents?

[robinhoodnik]

Why are they taking away our right to defend ourselves? Because we need to defend ourselves from them. The right to keep and bear arms was meant to keep our government at our mercy, not as a priviledge to be doled out upon a favored few, and to keep us from being at our government's mercy.

[HoustonGM]

I agree with everything you said except that the Democrats hold Soviet-era communists high up in their rnaks.

[robinhoodnik]

I agree with everything you said except that the Democrats hold Soviet-era communists high up in their rnaks.
I think you misunderstood me. None of them hold Breshnev, or Kruschev in high esteem. They do promote many of the ideals of that system. No one of them says that we should convert to an iron clad soviet style dictatorship. Taken as a whole though the party resembles the party. They want to raise your taxes to provide for those that can't, but more often, those that wont provide for themselves. They want us all to be on an equal financial footing. Sounds pretty good until you realize that they don't mean a wealthy footing, just the same footing. That is unmaintainable. 98% of us would live at or below poverty if those social programs were implemented.

[robinhoodnik]

An example is Masachusetts' big dig. Corruption drove the price up to nearly 8 times the original estimate. The tunnel project is finished. It's now nearly unusable. It's killed one person already and seriously affected Boston's inflow and outflow of traffic/business/tourism. Massachusetts is basically a one party system (just like the USSR was). Massachusetts turnpike authority (the same group who oversaw the fiasco) is now planning on jacking up tolls on a highway that was supposed to be toll free over 20 years ago to help pay for repairs to it's shiny new tunnels. Those tolls are still in place to pay for political favor jobs and other in state pork projects. You have an unchecked democratic party here that's just about reached it's breaking point now. This last bit is really pushing it towards the edge. Not enough republicans/independents/others to reign in the democratic party. Does any of this sound like Russias problems just before the USSR broke apart? Rampant unchecked corruption and political despotism.

[Brewersfan]

You guys talk like Republicans are so great! GEORGE W BUSH. Yeah hes a great president.Politics is a big waste of time for the average working class family. A- none of them democrats or Republicans give a flying **** about you. B- there all criminals every last president has been a criminal C- you cant believe nothing they say because there all criminals. D- the only thing they care about is lining there pockets. The rich will get richer the poor poorer. the fat cat fatter. Theres nothing any of you can do it about it no matter if your republican democrat socialist communist libertarian. nothing you can do except complain about it.

[HoustonGM]

An example is Masachusetts' big dig. Corruption drove the price up to nearly 8 times the original estimate. The tunnel project is finished. It's now nearly unusable. It's killed one person already and seriously affected Boston's inflow and outflow of traffic/business/tourism. Massachusetts is basically a one party system (just like the USSR was). Massachusetts turnpike authority (the same group who oversaw the fiasco) is now planning on jacking up tolls on a highway that was supposed to be toll free over 20 years ago to help pay for repairs to it's shiny new tunnels. Those tolls are still in place to pay for political favor jobs and other in state pork projects. You have an unchecked democratic party here that's just about reached it's breaking point now. This last bit is really pushing it towards the edge. Not enough republicans/independents/others to reign in the democratic party. Does any of this sound like Russias problems just before the USSR broke apart? Rampant unchecked corruption and political despotism.
You have some points, however, it is still an exaggeration to call them "communists." It is better to simply call them "leftists."

[robinhoodnik]

You guys talk like Republicans are so great! GEORGE W BUSH. Yeah hes a great president.Politics is a big waste of time for the average working class family. A- none of them democrats or Republicans give a flying **** about you. B- there all criminals every last president has been a criminal C- you cant believe nothing they say because there all criminals. D- the only thing they care about is lining there pockets. The rich will get richer the poor poorer. the fat cat fatter. Theres nothing any of you can do it about it no matter if your republican democrat socialist communist libertarian. nothing you can do except complain about it.

I did?


The Republicans are beginning to lean in a direction that seems to be leading towards backing a Roman emperor like figure for a president/candidate. That's why Mitt Romney as a candidate bothers me. He often behaves as a Roman emperor would.

That doesn't sound so great to me.

[kingmob]

if anything the neo-cons are trotskyites.....they are adepts of a professor from the university of chicago named leo strauss who was taught by trotsky.....neo-jacobins.....

[HoustonGM]

if anything the neo-cons are trotskyites.....they are adepts of a professor from the university of chicago named leo strauss who was taught by trotsky.....neo-jacobins.....
Yes. Neo-cons are completely against capitalism. They were all attended the University of Chicago. They all had the same professor. They all blindly believed that professor, and agree completely with him on every thing. AND that professor only instilled his political beliefs in his students, who just all happened to be future neo-cons.

[kingmob]

exactly.....and the economic system y'all call capitalism is really mercantilism.....

[HoustonGM]

exactly.....and the economic system y'all call capitalism is really mercantilism.....
Exactly? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. You need to be absolutely stupid to think what I said was true.


Yes, America is not truly capitalist, but it's one of the closest you'll find in the world.

"Mercantilism is the economic theory holding that the prosperity of a nation depends upon its supply of capital, and that the global volume of trade is "unchangeable."

"Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are mostly privately owned, and capital is invested in the production, distribution and other trade of goods and services, for profit."

Our economic system took a lot from Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" which explicitly was against mercantilism....

[williethebasset]

Why does being a Democrat = being a Communist? Sorry, they're completely different.

I don't understand where you are getting that reference from.

[williethebasset]

Yes. Neo-cons are completely against capitalism. They were all attended the University of Chicago. They all had the same professor. They all blindly believed that professor, and agree completely with him on every thing. AND that professor only instilled his political beliefs in his students, who just all happened to be future neo-cons.

Funny that many of the neo-cons happen to be rich ex-corporate exectuvies, which last time I checked, corporate exectutives were pro-capitalism. Now, if you want to talk about anti-capitalism, lets start talking about people who favor a "Communist-Anarchist" government.

And funny that most professors are extreme liberals and brainwash most of their students. Most high school teachers are liberals too, and make attempts to show the liberal side of history without pushing a political agenda.

[HoustonGM]

Funny that many of the neo-cons happen to be rich ex-corporate exectuvies, which last time I checked, corporate exectutives were pro-capitalism. Now, if you want to talk about anti-capitalism, lets start talking about people who favor a "Communist-Anarchist" government.

And funny that most professors are extreme liberals and brainwash most of their students. Most high school teachers are liberals too, and make attempts to show the liberal side of history without pushing a political agenda.
I still cant believe both you and kingmob think that psost of mine was serious. You dont see how sarcastic it is? Kingmob believes that ****, not me. And btw, "communist-anarchist govenrment" is an oxymoron.

As for dems=commies:


The queen of the commies? Loves me? AAAAAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! No! Make it stop! It burrrnnnnnsssssssssss!

[williethebasset]

You guys talk like Republicans are so great! GEORGE W BUSH. Yeah hes a great president.Politics is a big waste of time for the average working class family. A- none of them democrats or Republicans give a flying **** about you. B- there all criminals every last president has been a criminal C- you cant believe nothing they say because there all criminals. D- the only thing they care about is lining there pockets. The rich will get richer the poor poorer. the fat cat fatter. Theres nothing any of you can do it about it no matter if your republican democrat socialist communist libertarian. nothing you can do except complain about it.

A- The democrats want your money for wasteful social programs.

B- Ronnie wasn't.

C- See above

D- Funny that Americans just keep getting richer and richer. 3/4 of Americans own their own homes or are on the path to owning their own home. The poor are poor because of their decisions.

[robinhoodnik]

That was hyperbole. Settle down some.

[kingmob]

its all command and control....it doesnt matter what system it is as long as the powers that be are in control.....if something is out of control that just means that they dont have control over it

[HoustonGM]

its all command and control....it doesnt matter what system it is as long as the powers that be are in control.....if something is out of control that just means that they dont have control over it
yes, generally, when something is out of control, nobody has control over it.

[kingmob]

like the war on drugs?...ter'a?.....illiteracy?....hunger?.....we always gotta have a war on sumthin to control it

[Brewersfan]

A- The democrats want your money for wasteful social programs.

B- Ronnie wasn't.

C- See above

D- Funny that Americans just keep getting richer and richer. 3/4 of Americans own their own homes or are on the path to owning their own home. The poor are poor because of their decisions.
Americans are getting richer and richer? 3/4 of people own there own house. where are you getting those figures from?? The fact is LIKE I SAID the rich are gettin richer and the poor are getting poorer. To say the poor are poor because of there own decisions. Is ludacris. This is the case for somepeople not everybody. Not everybody has the same oppurtunities. For example rich white kid has parents have money never has to struggle. even if he makes a few mistakes with his daddys money **** get bailed out. Now take for example a child born to a single mother who's on welfare? hes not going to have the same chances of succeeding as the above kid. he can still succeed but the road will be alot tougher. What do you call Iran Contra scandal, Oliver North?? Reagan was just as crooked as clinton as bush and his daddy

[Brewersfan]

He'll*.

[Brewersfan]

I did?



That doesn't sound so great to me.
I wasn't refering to you. next time ill be more specific. calm down killer

[robinhoodnik]

Future income is related to your environment Willie. You learn a lot about work ethic, how money works, and all the other economics as a child growing up. A welfare kid usually doesn't get thos lessons so the few that do make it from those conditions are the exception. They don't have that learning about employment. They see that a check comes in the mail monthly and that's how the money is earned. The multi generational welfare families are in that situation. They have no idea how to get and hold a job. They don't understand working your way up for more money. They have no idea that in two years you can probably double what your welfare income is with a job because they don't live like most of us do. They learn to live month to month and don't think much further ahead than that financially. They don't truly understand the concept of saving and money management. We should really set up some programs that teach these ideas to people in multigenerational welfare families instead of the foolish programs like making the most of a block of cheese.

[kingmob]

ghetto economics
crack=$10 a rock
lap dances=$20
thunderbird=$4
.38 special from reggie down the street=$150
the knowledge that cia brings in most of the drugs PRICELESS!!!!!

[williethebasset]

like the war on drugs?...ter'a?.....illiteracy?....hunger?.....we always gotta have a war on sumthin to control it

the war on drugs could be won, if it weren't for the activist judges that found a criminal has a "right" to an attorney, which is usually more slippery than an oil covered snake.

terrorism is being won.

illiteracy is being won.

hunger has been won.

Of course, the war on smallpox, and polio, those are complete losses.

[williethebasset]

Americans are getting richer and richer? 3/4 of people own there own house. where are you getting those figures from?? The fact is LIKE I SAID the rich are gettin richer and the poor are getting poorer. To say the poor are poor because of there own decisions. Is ludacris. This is the case for somepeople not everybody. Not everybody has the same oppurtunities. For example rich white kid has parents have money never has to struggle. even if he makes a few mistakes with his daddys money **** get bailed out. Now take for example a child born to a single mother who's on welfare? hes not going to have the same chances of succeeding as the above kid. he can still succeed but the road will be alot tougher. What do you call Iran Contra scandal, Oliver North?? Reagan was just as crooked as clinton as bush and his daddy

I was wrong. 2/3 do.

http://www.ibisworld.com/images/charts/bed/bed_1_4623_chart01.jpg

The richer are getting richer, rightly so, it's their money, they have every right to get it with the least amount of taxes as possible.

Seeing as I am one of those "rich white kids", I would just like to say that I have never been bailed out of any problems, and any good parent wouldn't bail out a child from problems, they would make them learn.

Its called hard work. I bust my *** every single day, its because I have pride in the work I do.

Ok, so what do you propose? Thats just the way things are if someone works hard enough they can get ahead. It's not the government's job to help someone. Cut the welfare and make that woman work.

[HoustonGM]

the war on drugs could be won, if it weren't for the activist judges that found a criminal has a "right" to an attorney, which is usually more slippery than an oil covered snake.
It's not activist judges, it's people who understand that you need to defend yourself.

By not allowing a "criminal" to have an attorney, you're going against the very basis of the American judicial system - innocent until proven guilty.

[williethebasset]

It's not activist judges, it's people who understand that you need to defend yourself.

By not allowing a "criminal" to have an attorney, you're going against the very basis of the American judicial system - innocent until proven guilty.

Funny that from 1787 to 1965ish, criminals didn't have the right to an attorney.

Innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with the right to an attorney. Not to mention, that decision was unconstitutional, as it conflicted directly with the tenth ammendment.

[HoustonGM]

Funny that from 1787 to 1965ish, criminals didn't have the right to an attorney.

Innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with the right to an attorney. Not to mention, that decision was unconstitutional, as it conflicted directly with the tenth ammendment.
Without the right to an attorney, the police could just arrest any uneducated person and charge him with a crime, and unless he had the money to hire a lawyer, he'd have to defend himself. And that's no easy task.

Now, of course, there's some nuances that I find ridiculous, like that thing with that child molestor down in Florida I think. He confessed to the crime, but they can't use that confession in court because an attorney wasn't present - thats stupid. If you want to use your right to an attorney, you should shut the **** up until your attorney gets there.

[Brewersfan]

Future income is related to your environment Willie. You learn a lot about work ethic, how money works, and all the other economics as a child growing up. A welfare kid usually doesn't get thos lessons so the few that do make it from those conditions are the exception. They don't have that learning about employment. They see that a check comes in the mail monthly and that's how the money is earned. The multi generational welfare families are in that situation. They have no idea how to get and hold a job. They don't understand working your way up for more money. They have no idea that in two years you can probably double what your welfare income is with a job because they don't live like most of us do. They learn to live month to month and don't think much further ahead than that financially. They don't truly understand the concept of saving and money management. We should really set up some programs that teach these ideas to people in multigenerational welfare families instead of the foolish programs like making the most of a block of cheese.
Agree 100%

[Brewersfan]

Willie you are right that if you work hard you do get ahead, but everything is alot more complicated than that.I work hard but im not rich, i dont own my own house. Me and my wife just had a son even with my insurance the medical bill is outrageous!! This is one social plan that I would like to see instituted. National health care. I have over$100 a week taken out of my check for health insurance. then I get a bill for almost 3,000 dollars. How can you get ahead when your always bogged down in medical bills. My point is that its always something that comes up. There are alot of different reasons why people arent rich.

[robinhoodnik]

Medical is now compulsory in Massachusetts. May force me out of here finally. No discount for the sudden boom in business either. Fullrate which is one paycheck a month for me. 500 or 600 bucks gone every month. I have spent in the last 10 years, about a thousand on my health care since I'm in good shape and take care of myself. Now I gotta take care of all of the welfare cases and lazy baztards who don't care that I don't have company health care. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Thank you Mitt Romney and may you rot in HEL1 before you become president!:mad:

[Brewersfan]

Isnt mass. the state that just passed a law saying everyone had to have health insurance?? i dont rember. But it is a huge problem the deductables and premiums only go up and coverage seems to go down.

[Brewersfan]

Oh thats what you meant by complusory.Nevermind then

[kingmob]

the war on drugs could be won, if it weren't for the activist judges that found a criminal has a "right" to an attorney, which is usually more slippery than an oil covered snake.

terrorism is being won.

illiteracy is being won.

hunger has been won.

Of course, the war on smallpox, and polio, those are complete losses.

haha your a dolt....the war on drugs is going as planned ....there are more drugs on the streets and they are cheap.....

war on ter'a?? being won.....them ter'ists in iraq havent been defeated......

illiteracy??? i remembered seeing the poll of 50% of americans didnt even read one book last year....going swimmingly well....

hunger?? o yeah bill gates is gonna go feed all the starving africans and give em shots too...lol....whatever

so who do you think is the biggest importer of cocaine and heroin?.....and homey D down the block slingin rocks didnt import it

[kingmob]

looks like the brits are winning the war on ter'ists!!!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17422476&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=i-m-not-filming-up-skirts-i-m-spying-on-al-qaeda--name_page.html

[kingmob]

Isnt mass. the state that just passed a law saying everyone had to have health insurance?? i dont rember. But it is a huge problem the deductables and premiums only go up and coverage seems to go down.

isnt that fascism where the gubbimint makes it a law that you have to purchase a product being offered by the company in charge?

[HoustonGM]

illiteracy??? i remembered seeing the poll of 50% of americans didnt even read one book last year....going swimmingly well....
Just because many Ameircans don't read books, doesn't mean that they can't if they wanted too.

[kingmob]

ohhhh gimme a break....there are tons of kids that graduate that can barely read...they just shuffle them through

[HoustonGM]

ohhhh gimme a break....there are tons of kids that graduate that can barely read...they just shuffle them through
Its not that easy to make it through college without knowing how to read. There's a difference between not knowing, not wanting to, and not caring enough to read.

[kingmob]

who cares about reading when theres halo to play.....priorties....

[HoustonGM]

You've still failed to prove this illteracy you speak of.

[kingmob]

my point was that once the govt. declares war on something you get more of it

[HoustonGM]

When did the government declare a war on illiteracy? And, if they did, obviously there's not more of it.

[williethebasset]

Without the right to an attorney, the police could just arrest any uneducated person and charge him with a crime, and unless he had the money to hire a lawyer, he'd have to defend himself. And that's no easy task.

Now, of course, there's some nuances that I find ridiculous, like that thing with that child molestor down in Florida I think. He confessed to the crime, but they can't use that confession in court because an attorney wasn't present - thats stupid. If you want to use your right to an attorney, you should shut the **** up until your attorney gets there.

The right to an attorney doesn't have anything to do with the right to a fair trial, a trial by a jury, and the due process of the law. If someone is arrested without cause, they will sue. There's no one that reads the law books more than a criminal trying to get out of responsibility for a crime.

There's a good example of why there shouldn't be a right to an attorney.

[williethebasset]

Willie you are right that if you work hard you do get ahead, but everything is alot more complicated than that.I work hard but im not rich, i dont own my own house. Me and my wife just had a son even with my insurance the medical bill is outrageous!! This is one social plan that I would like to see instituted. National health care. I have over$100 a week taken out of my check for health insurance. then I get a bill for almost 3,000 dollars. How can you get ahead when your always bogged down in medical bills. My point is that its always something that comes up. There are alot of different reasons why people arent rich.

Instead of paying the 100 a week, you'll pay 200 a week more in taxes to pay for your health insurunce, hospitals will be so crowded that it takes months for minor surgery. Many Canadians that can afford it, will come to the USA for surgery rather than wait 2 years in Canada. Just ask any rational Canadian what they think of their national health insurance.

[williethebasset]

my point was that once the govt. declares war on something you get more of it

Yes, like the war against slavery, the war against nazism, the war against communism, the war against fascism.

Last time I checked, all of those were on the decline.

[williethebasset]

war on ter'a?? being won.....them ter'ists in iraq havent been defeated......

illiteracy??? i remembered seeing the poll of 50% of americans didnt even read one book last year....going swimmingly well....

hunger?? o yeah bill gates is gonna go feed all the starving africans and give em shots too...lol....whatever

so who do you think is the biggest importer of cocaine and heroin?.....and homey D down the block slingin rocks didnt import it

Yet America hasn't been targeted by terrorists for the longest point since Islam declared war on America in 1979.

Thats weird, because when I see TV ads, they have text in them. The same goes for billboards. Why does everything have text on it if 50% of Americans can't read?

The war on hunger you were refering to is in the USA, it has been won. Children are given free food at schools, once they're out of school, it's their own responsibility.

The USA is because it counts as one market with 300 million people. Compare that to Europe as a whole, and you'll find it is about the same.

[HoustonGM]

Kingmob didn't say that 50% of Americans can't read. He just said that 50% of Americans didnt read a book in the last year, which I wouldnt be suprised about. However, he takes that as meaning those people CAN'T read.

[kingmob]

ya we should be real proud thata huge amount of americans read at a third grade level ....i dont think comic books count

[robinhoodnik]

Just because you can read something, doesn't mean that you comprehend it.

[kingmob]

exactly my point.....how many americans can read most philosophy books and understand what they are getting at?

[kingmob]

the lack of critical thinking in this country is apalling!

[HoustonGM]

exactly my point.....how many americans can read most philosophy books and understand what they are getting at?
Not being able to read a philosophy book and understand it does not make you illiterate.

[kingmob]

no.....but it means your a mental midget

[HoustonGM]

no.....but it means your a mental midget
No, it doesn't. It means you can't comprehend a PHILOSOPHY book. I could easily read a philosophy book, but that doesn't mean I'll understand it, and I'm not illiterate nor a mental midget.

And you STILL have failed to prove that the majority of Americans are illiterate. Yes, of course, the majority of Americans are DUMB, but that doesn't make them illiterate.

[robinhoodnik]

Schools used to teach you to think. Not so antmore. They give you the fastest easiest ticket out the door possible. You can learn a lot of the basic facts, but so what if no one's ever taught you to actually process information. You're not taught to ask "why?" anymore. You're expected to repeat the facts back like a parrot and move on to the next subject. Kinda like the grinder scene in "The Wall" really.

[williethebasset]

no.....but it means your a mental midget


like someone who ignores posts that give a valid response to what was said.