Be Careful If U Updated To Patch 9.43

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Just Downloaded New Ace Patch That Clay Has Done Really Really Excellent Work But Just A Warning If U Have Been Playing With An Adjusted Roster Ie Real Stats Etc The New Patch Really Boosts
The Ratings Of Rookies And Minor Leaguers
Ex Pre Patch Abe Alvarez Was Like 71/83 Now Has Become A 71/90
Cole Hamels A Nifty 77/83 Now 79/96 Yikes

Anyway Easily Sorted By Just Droping Down Potential Level By 150/200 Points Or Advancing Peak
But Wow A Real Real Surprise When U First Reopen A Game Though:)

[HoustonGM]

Probably because defense isn't rated so highly anymore.

[HoustonGM]

Well, I loaded the patch, and I'm in fact, not seeing this at all. Abe Alvarez was 71/77 before loading it, and now hes still 71/77.

[MatsFan5]

its happening to some of my minor leagues also

[HoustonGM]

Maybe I'm just weird, but the most I've seen is a one or two point drop or increase. =\ I'm really happy with the new patch

[HoustonGM]

Just Downloaded New Ace Patch That Clay Has Done Really Really Excellent Work But Just A Warning If U Have Been Playing With An Adjusted Roster Ie Real Stats Etc The New Patch Really Boosts
The Ratings Of Rookies And Minor Leaguers
Ex Pre Patch Abe Alvarez Was Like 71/83 Now Has Become A 71/90
Cole Hamels A Nifty 77/83 Now 79/96 Yikes

Anyway Easily Sorted By Just Droping Down Potential Level By 150/200 Points Or Advancing Peak
But Wow A Real Real Surprise When U First Reopen A Game Though:)
Also, what are you oding with Hamels at 77/83? He should be 79/96! He's gonna be good. :p

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I know HAMELS IS GOOING TO BE GOOD BUT ITS NOT JUST HIM ITS ACROSS THE BOARD
I M RUNNING 2 GAMES USING MY ROSTER AND YOUR MID SEASON UPDATE RIGHT UPTO NOW VERY WELL BALANCED BOTH BUT NOW SEEMS UNBALANCED ILL GIVE EX TEXAS MINOR LEAGUE PITCHING OK APART FROM DVD SUPPOSED 2 BE A LIABILTY RIGHT
WELL HELLO
HERE THEY HAVE 6 90+ PEAK PITCHERS USING YOUR DATABASE
7 USING MINE

[HoustonGM]

I know HAMELS IS GOOING TO BE GOOD BUT ITS NOT JUST HIM ITS ACROSS THE BOARD
I M RUNNING 2 GAMES USING MY ROSTER AND YOUR MID SEASON UPDATE RIGHT UPTO NOW VERY WELL BALANCED BOTH BUT NOW SEEMS UNBALANCED ILL GIVE EX TEXAS MINOR LEAGUE PITCHING OK APART FROM DVD SUPPOSED 2 BE A LIABILTY RIGHT
WELL HELLO
HERE THEY HAVE 6 90+ PEAK PITCHERS USING YOUR DATABASE
7 USING MINE
Stop the capitals.

Anyway, I'm a bit confused. First you say, that apart from the DVD trio, the pitching is a liability, and my roster has 6+ 90 peak pitchers, which would seem to mean that they're too good. Yet yours has 7?

Well, I only count 5 90+ Texas pitchers - Edinson Volquez, Thomas Diamond, Daniel Haigwood, Kasey Kiker, and John Danks. Who else should be 90+?

There should be no changes with starting pitchers, as they weren't touched by the patch. Only relief pitchers were, and that was to lower the amount their defense rating affected their overall rating. I have seen very small differences, like Mike Stanton rising from 79 to 80. Or J.B. Cox rising from 93 to 95 peak. Nothing so drastic like you're describing.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Without Any Tweaking Your Mid/mine Adjusted OF PLAYERS WITH 90+ PEAK
Ari Minor League Pitching Peaks 5/7
Atl 7/5
Bal 5/5
Bos 4/5
Cubz 4/7
Wsox 5/5 Witha Liotta At 96 In Both!
Cin 6/3
Cle 1/4
Etc....
Its Not At Aaa Level Were Problems Are Its Seems To Be At Lower Levels A Or Rookie Ball Where Guys With Young Ages 17 To 20 Just Have There Peak Explode
The Only Way Round It Is As I Said Either Advance Peak Time Or Lower Potential Otherwise By 2008 Every Team Will Have A Rotation Age Of 22 Ish

[HoustonGM]

Are you one hundred percent positive you're viewing these ratings in Commisioner mode? Here's a look at the minor leaguers in my rosters with 90+ peak:

Arizona 1
Atlanta 3
Baltimore 2
Boston 3
Chicago Cubs 1
Chicago White Sox 2 (Ray Liotta is peak 87)
Cincy 2
Cleveland 1

....

[FRENCHREDSOX]

i m saying that its generally thought that texas minors is a liability (the 6th is Schlact peak 93) but if that the case with 6 90+ pitching prospects then whats a good minor league franchise such as the sox,angels,dodger et al going to have ? 15/20 90+ pitchers?

[FRENCHREDSOX]

yes im in commish 4 both im editing like u

[HoustonGM]

i m saying that its generally thought that texas minors is a liability (the 6th is Schlact peak 93) but if that the case with 6 90+ pitching prospects then whats a good minor league franchise such as the sox,angels,dodger et al going to have ? 15/20 90+ pitchers?
Schlact is rated 85.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

hey gm its not u im getting at im saying since updating to .43 this morning (im +5 gmt) im getting this
your roster in edit : ballester,wsn
22,22,125.1,4,10,0,144 HITS,20,74,74,103,89,555BF,5,0
RATED NOW 49 PEAK 94
just an example and it goes on and on

[HoustonGM]

Thats because thats what I have him rated at.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

im saying schlact comes out 93
potential 98 peak at 25 rating 46/93
IM NOT MAKING IT up

[HoustonGM]

im saying schlact comes out 93
potential 98 peak at 25 rating 46/93
IM NOT MAKING IT up
Im not accusing you of making it up.

With my rosters, Schlact has potential of 52 and peaks with an 85 rating at age 25.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

hosuton it your roster im talking about version 8

[HoustonGM]

hosuton it your roster im talking about version 8
I know, and I'm looking at my roster version 8. Are you opening the file directly, or are you starting a new game>?

[FRENCHREDSOX]

that what i mean u get potential 52 but downloaded version 1.8 gives 98 potential,
Liotta pot 231 peak 25 gets 68/96 !
in my roster similar problems occur as it seems 2 uped AA,A,R players thats all is was saying im adjusting their pot/age peaks in consequence otherwise as I said by mid season teams like KC will have 5 18/20 year old staters (its difficult enough to find and statistically rate 5 MLB KC starters as you know°

[FRENCHREDSOX]

downloaded file ran new game in mogul and the straight into commish to view and edit added 100+ players ex BRIAN BURRES etc using MLB minor league stats

[FRENCHREDSOX]

updated major leaguers with real stats but theyre not the problem except when they change position or club ie Mench goes from RF to LF in Milwaukee
otherwise doesnt play

[FRENCHREDSOX]

YOur work is tremendous I mean thanks to u i readjusted the total pitch skills of the minors,obtained most info on their dob but as i say since .'" the peaks have just upped lOGAN WHITE sox now a 72/89 RP not bad 4 a guy who got sent down after 2/3 weeks

[HoustonGM]

Boone Logan is 74/81 for me.

It's not my rosters, and it's not the game. I downloaded my rosters, the same ones available to you, and looked at it, and everything is the same. Open the game like you would a saved game - don't start a new game with them, and then see if you still have the problems. It's not a bug in 9.43, or anything.

As for Mench, it's all good for my next roster.

EDIT: Starting a new game, things are still pretty much the same as they are in my actual roster. Some players expeirence ratings drops, which i've already made a post about in the Bug Report forum, and that occured before 9.43.

[jaharley]

I just wanted to support the "issue" (not really sure what it is) that is being stated in this thread ... when I upgraded from 9.40 to 9.43, practically every major league pitcher jumped 5 - 10 points in both peak and overall, to the point where anyone rated under 95 is pretty much second rate. The cutoff had been around 90 - yes this is a gross generalization though. Also, in the draft, the first half of the available players sorted by peak will be all pitchers rated over 90. The last 5-10 seasons I have simmed I have been able to draft 4-5 pitchers over 90 peak (mostly over 95). So, I'm not sure it is a bug since everything is relative, but undoubtedly something changed.

[HoustonGM]

I just wanted to support the "issue" (not really sure what it is) that is being stated in this thread ... when I upgraded from 9.40 to 9.43, practically every major league pitcher jumped 5 - 10 points in both peak and overall, to the point where anyone rated under 95 is pretty much second rate. The cutoff had been around 90 - yes this is a gross generalization though. Also, in the draft, the first half of the available players sorted by peak will be all pitchers rated over 90. The last 5-10 seasons I have simmed I have been able to draft 4-5 pitchers over 90 peak (mostly over 95). So, I'm not sure it is a bug since everything is relative, but undoubtedly something changed.
Nothin changed for me, so I don't know why ytou two are seeing this.

As for the draft, you're going to need to do 1 of 2 things (or both): Adjust your Rookies.ini file, or adjust the Amateur Draft Talent in the League Editor.

[jaharley]

Yes but, (and I know I'm about to sound like a broken record), why should I have to go in and adjust these files? I've never made any changes to them.

As to why we are seeing it and you aren't, maybe because I'm way into the future with only fictitious players left? I'm around the year 2100.

[HoustonGM]

Yes but, (and I know I'm about to sound like a broken record), why should I have to go in and adjust these files? I've never made any changes to them.
Because that's why they're there. It's there to provide complete customization. Are you really that lazy that you can't take 3 seconds to just adjust one slider in the league editor?


As to why we are seeing it and you aren't, maybe because I'm way into the future with only fictitious players left? I'm around the year 2100.
I doubt it. If something was touched with how overall is calculated (which it was, but hold on), then it'd take affect throughout the whole game, whether you're in 2006, 2100, or 14032.

The only things that were changed for 9.43: Catchers no longer were never rated below 72. The amount defense went into a relievers overall rating was lowered. Middle infielders had their overall rating slightly lowered (defense value went down).

[jaharley]

HoustonGM, I don't think you are really reading my posts, you're just trying to shoot down everything I say. I did not say I had a problem adjusting a slider, what I am asking is why the game would not play realistically on the default setting, why I should have to adjust something. Also, you brought up the changes for 9.43, but keep in mind I went from 9.40, not from 9.42. Bottom line, although I don't post much I have spent THOUSANDS of hours over the past several years playing this game, as I'm sure you have, and what I say happened did happen. It's not really even bothering me to be honest, but it did happen. Whether you beleive it or not doesn't change that.

[HoustonGM]

HoustonGM, I don't think you are really reading my posts, you're just trying to shoot down everything I say. I did not say I had a problem adjusting a slider, what I am asking is why the game would not play realistically on the default setting, why I should have to adjust something.
I'm reading your posts. The game on default is what Clay views as realistic, I believe. Something may have gotten messed up and/or users might have different views, which is why Clay provides the option to customize.


Also, you brought up the changes for 9.43, but keep in mind I went from 9.40, not from 9.42.
In that case, A LOT was changed. However, it is now calculating CORRECTLY. It wasn't previously.


Bottom line, although I don't post much I have spent THOUSANDS of hours over the past several years playing this game, as I'm sure you have, and what I say happened did happened. It's not really even bothering me to be honest, but it did happen. Whether you beleive it or not doesn't change that.
I never thought you were lying. I'm just saying I don't understand why some people are experiencing it, and others aren't, but now I think I see why - you went straight from 9.40 to 9.43. A lot was changed between those patches. I've been updating patch by patch along the way, and I've been adjusting the ratings in my rosters with each patch.

So basically, that's the reason you've suddenly noticed this huge change.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

HoustonGM, I don't think you are really reading my posts, you're just trying to shoot down everything I say. I did not say I had a problem adjusting a slider, what I am asking is why the game would not play realistically on the default setting, why I should have to adjust something. Also, you brought up the changes for 9.43, but keep in mind I went from 9.40, not from 9.42. Bottom line, although I don't post much I have spent THOUSANDS of hours over the past several years playing this game, as I'm sure you have, and what I say happened did happen. It's not really even bothering me to be honest, but it did happen. Whether you beleive it or not doesn't change that.

thats exactly what i tried to explain those of us who went from one official patch to another but using same rosters experienced the "leap" in minor pitchers gm may have thought that all of us used the unofficial patches but some of us didnt that what the thread was about just to warn people that they could have a mega minor league pitching roster by just upgrading to the newpatch.
By the way it took me 3 days to readjust the minor leaguers to previous levels of competence and as I said GM s work is AMAZING very very dedicated guy.
God did you see all the last minute trade flurry? If you accomodate them there is no way you can do anything with KC or Pittsburgh (try and find 5 SP for either team over 70)

[HoustonGM]

God did you see all the last minute trade flurry? If you accomodate them there is no way you can do anything with KC or Pittsburgh (try and find 5 SP for either team over 70)
Over 70 is easy.

Royals: Mark Redman, Runelvys Hernandez, Odalis Perez, Luke Hudson, Jimmy Gobble
Pirates: Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Ian Snell, Victor Santos, Shawn Chacon

As for over 80, yeah, there's nobody. :p

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Nice one Gm but Chacon is a swingman and Hernandez is bad (updated real stats expanded) and Perez are you serious ?

[HoustonGM]

Nice one Gm but Chacon is a swingman and Hernandez is bad (updated real stats expanded) and Perez are you serious ?
Swingmen can start.

Perez was just bad this year. He's always been league average or better.

70-75 is still a very crappy rating for a starting pitcher, btw. I calculated the average rating of #1-5 starters, and as you can see:

1 - 90
2 - 84
3 - 80
4 - 78
5 - 76

A rating between 70-75 is a bad back-of-the-rotation pitcher. Compared to the other teams' staffs, the Pirates and Royals with their assortment of 70-79 rated pitchers are absolutely horrendous.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Over 70 is easy.

Royals: Mark Redman, Runelvys Hernandez, Odalis Perez, Luke Hudson, Jimmy Gobble
Pirates: Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Ian Snell, Victor Santos, Shawn Chacon

As for over 80, yeah, there's nobody. :p

I ve had to add 30BF to get Perez to be on the MLB roster his stats in LAD were that bad...

YOU yourself had to adjust Gobble,Hudson and Dukes stats 5you said in a previous mail)

I had to reproject Oliver Perez future so that he could stay in the game his real life level is 63 now a mets problem...but was just saying that if you start
with 2006 with either of those teams good luck
By the way have you seen Yankee budget with the addition of Abreu,Lidle and Wilson ?Projected Payroll of 218 million in BM woo:( :o

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Great work thanks again for your rosters

[FRENCHREDSOX]

You know yourself if you apply real stats to both those teams its difficult to get 5 decent pitchers
now that pittsburgh has lost hernadez,casey,wilson et al even harder to^play

[HoustonGM]

You know yourself if you apply real stats to both those teams its difficult to get 5 decent pitchers
now that pittsburgh has lost hernadez,casey,wilson et al even harder to^play
If you go strictly by 2006 stats, youll probably get a lot of prospects in the rotation, and the real starters in the minors. =\

They're definitley hard teams to play.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

question how do you find your info (place of birth country etc) for minor leaguers? age,ht,dob easy find all that on MLB minor leagues but rest hard 4 me...
Im not US

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Ive read a lot your threads and noticed
a )you are really really into the stats and reality aspect
b) spot on for improvements
but why are you set against modifying the scouting/farm system so that it reflect reality?

[HoustonGM]

question how do you find your info (place of birth country etc) for minor leaguers? age,ht,dob easy find all that on MLB minor leagues but rest hard 4 me...
Im not US
www.thebaseballcube.com has a lot of that information. For height, weight, and date of birth, I also got some of that from the Baseball America prospect handbook or the Baseball Prospectus 2006 book. If all that failed, I tried google, and if that failed, I leave it blank.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

www.thebaseballcube.com has a lot of that information. For height, weight, and date of birth, I also got some of that from the Baseball America prospect handbook or the Baseball Prospectus 2006 book. If all that failed, I tried google, and if that failed, I leave it blank.
thanx:)

[HoustonGM]

Ive read a lot your threads and noticed
a )you are really really into the stats and reality aspect
b) spot on for improvements
but why are you set against modifying the scouting/farm system so that it reflect reality?
I'm not. However, I think it can wait, as the current system does work. There's other things I'd rather see.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

by the way have youchecked latest minor league trades?
Chiaravialloti to Baltimore ex. difficult to keep up...

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I'm not. However, I think it can wait, as the current system does work. There's other things I'd rather see.

Like?

[HoustonGM]

Like?
40-man rosters, waivers, rule 5 draft, better minor league system, real disabeled list rules, designating for assignment, etc.

[HoustonGM]

by the way have youchecked latest minor league trades?
Chiaravialloti to Baltimore ex. difficult to keep up...
Whoever that is isn't in my rosters.

I update the minor league transactions when baseballamerica updates their list, as it's hard to find elsewhere.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

BM is a combination of economics and sports right? if the sports is right but the economic aspect is Off well...

[FRENCHREDSOX]

So what improvements?

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Whoever that is isn't in my rosters.

I update the minor league transactions when baseballamerica updates their list, as it's hard to find elsewhere.

Just did it with MLb trades and guy was in Clays original default kept him in as i had a photo and he was supposed to better thaan Hattig

[HoustonGM]

So what improvements?
I posted them above.


40-man rosters, waivers, rule 5 draft, better minor league system, real disabeled list rules, designating for assignment, etc.


BM is a combination of economics and sports right? if the sports is right but the economic aspect is Off well...
BM is a baseball simulation game. It works fine the way it is. Yes, a realistic scouting system would be cool, but the things I listed above directly affect general managing, and the scouting system would just enhance what already exists.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I agree entirely with what you say esoecially waiver wire 4à man roster but
draft is cockeyed firstly wrong date secondly it US based not world based like Basketball and certain teams devote as much if not more attention to drafting scoutindg elsewhere

[HoustonGM]

draft is cockeyed firstly wrong date secondly it US based not world based like Basketball and certain teams devote as much if not more attention to drafting scoutindg elsewhere
I'd like to see the date moved to the right date.

As for the draft being US based, it's not. It has players from all over the world.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Even though it is a baseball sim there are also economic aspects ie if in debt no signings it is implicit in the game but if you can sim correctly puts the rest into a secondary position.
Look at the Yankees or my beloved Red Sox they are the richest teams but not reflected in the business side,**** the YANKEES just picked up 20 million
bucks at tradedeadline no way that could be done in BM unless....$ aspect introduced
either by reevaluating real value of the market or by allowing private investment issues the Boss and his millions,Corporate boxes or Private TV networks... just a thought...
what about the luxury tax?

[HoustonGM]

Even though it is a baseball sim there are also economic aspects ie if in debt no signings it is implicit in the game but if you can sim correctly puts the rest into a secondary position.
Look at the Yankees or my beloved Red Sox they are the richest teams but not reflected in the business side,**** the YANKEES just picked up 20 million
bucks at tradedeadline no way that could be done in BM unless....$ aspect introduced
either by reevaluating real value of the market or by allowing private investment issues the Boss and his millions,Corporate boxes or Private TV networks... just a thought...
what about the luxury tax?
Well, this is an entirely different discussion. The Yankees can gain that much in BBm and still survive. I'm actually going to increase their budget for my next roster release, to show that they really CAN do it. ;p

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I'd like to see the date moved to the right date.

As for the draft being US based, it's not. It has players from all over the world.

Tell me the last time you saw an Australian,Korean,Puerto Rican or Japanese player drafted?
These guys like are signed by clubs individually and scouted in the same manner... just look at th Braves and Dodger minors full of guys never drafted but signed by them

[HoustonGM]

Tell me the last time you saw an Australian,Korean,Puerto Rican or Japanese player drafted?
These guys like are signed by clubs individually and scouted in the same manner... just look at th Braves and Dodger minors full of guys never drafted but signed by them
I thought you were talknig about Mogul.
Yes, the real life draft is primarily US-based. But in Mogul, the foreign guys still get in, and thus, it would be a good addition for a realistic scouting/draft system, however, the current mogul way works fine. I'd like to see it eventually implemneted, but the things I listed above should come first.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Well, this is an entirely different discussion. The Yankees can gain that much in BBm and still survive. I'm actually going to increase their budget for my next roster release, to show that they really CAN do it. ;p
I ve ha to increase the major cities plus Boston Income levels to generate enough income for 2006 so that all franchises broke even 5as there is no luxury tax redistribution the only city really causing problem is St Louis

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I thought you were talknig about Mogul.
Yes, the real life draft is primarily US-based. But in Mogul, the foreign guys still get in, and thus, it would be a good addition for a realistic scouting/draft system, however, the current mogul way works fine. I'd like to see it eventually implemneted, but the things I listed above should come first.
OK I agree the system is fine but unrealistic... all u do now is throw money if u can into scouting and the farm usually about 20 mill each and then forget about it until you see that your ratings are off... not very CERVICAL.. as a sim shouldnt there be a skill factor? Money is the limited ressource in the game thus this is the thing that allows you to either spend,invest short term (signing FA) or invest long term (Grooming talent) but if talent becomes a commodity that you must discover and I mean really discover spending money on scouts to go out and search in different areas ,the game has a whole new aspect.....By the way the idea is not revolutionnary it an adaptation of another sim (Soccer League Manager) but it can be applied to baseball

[thunderfox933]

my simulation speed is slow

[TheNamelessPoet]

my simulation speed is slow
Thats what ur girlfrind said last night to before I went over and took care of it for ya!!! "QUIT PLAYIN WIT YER DINGY!!!" I'm tired of havin to take care of her for ya!!!:mad:

[ohms_law]

dude, that wasn't cool. thunderfox933 is an OK guy; don't let the actual trolls influence how you aproach the boards in general.

[TheNamelessPoet]

My bad... I take it back.:eek: I thought he was one of the evil trolls. Us good trools are ok its those evil ones u gotta watch out for. Sorry there my fox.

Us good trolls are like the cavemen in the geico comercial. Missunderstood.

[ohms_law]

lol