3 Things that make me want to throw this game away

[pandanwh]

1. Half my team wants to be friends with an Arizona catcher, and then when I aquire him they change their friend back to an AZ catcher again.

2. I hate how I cant trade players who I recently signed, even if they are good. If my team sucks or is in debt at the trade deadline, those contracts are the first to go. If their is anything we learned about this trade deadline it is that anyone can be traded. (The Pirates traded for Chacon, and Oswalt almost got traded, enough said)

3. If a player is still good at 36, I should be able to get something for him. Every time I play this game and I have a player like this who is on my AAA team but can play on any other team I am forced to tage a minor leaguer with him and get nothing other then salary relief. That is BS. It makes no sense to get better value for a guy when he is 35 when he is the same player at 36. 1 year may make a difference but it shouldnt be the difference between aquiring major league talent to a minor league who will never make my roster.

[HoustonGM]

1. Half my team wants to be friends with an Arizona catcher, and then when I aquire him they change their friend back to an AZ catcher again.
That's a very small minor bug...it really shouldn't be a problem.


2. I hate how I cant trade players who I recently signed, even if they are good. If my team sucks or is in debt at the trade deadline, those contracts are the first to go. If their is anything we learned about this trade deadline it is that anyone can be traded. (The Pirates traded for Chacon, and Oswalt almost got traded, enough said)
You can trade anyone, however, a big contract turns off other teams. Try packaging the guy with otehr prospects though. It is realistic. If you just signed a guy for 10 million dollars a year, most teams aren't going to want to give a lot up for him, as they may not have the budget space.


3. If a player is still good at 36, I should be able to get something for him. Every time I play this game and I have a player like this who is on my AAA team but can play on any other team I am forced to tage a minor leaguer with him and get nothing other then salary relief. That is BS. It makes no sense to get better value for a guy when he is 35 when he is the same player at 36. 1 year may make a difference but it shouldnt be the difference between aquiring major league talent to a minor league who will never make my roster.
I'm not sure of this one. I've never had a problem...


All in all, I think those are some silly reasons to wanna throw the game away. There's other problems that I could see users being upset with, but these aren't them.

[pandanwh]

2. When you have Gary Sheffield signed at 3.5 million for 1 year and he is still a 90, how come you cant trade him at the trade deadline. In order to get the prospect I wanted I would of had to have given up a prospect with the same value.
Explain that one. Houston GM.

[HoustonGM]

2. When you have Gary Sheffield signed at 3.5 million for 1 year and he is still a 90, how come you cant trade him at the trade deadline. In order to get the prospect I wanted I would of had to have given up a prospect with the same value.
Explain that one. Houston GM.
Because Sheffield is nearing 40, and could easily drop off the cliff at any moment, even if he currently is rated 90. In real life, no team would give up a strong prospect for Sheffiled alone.

[pandanwh]

Because Sheffield is nearing 40, and could easily drop off the cliff at any moment, even if he currently is rated 90. In real life, no team would give up a strong prospect for Sheffiled alone.

38 but still a team would give up a useable player for someone who would be an instant starter on any team.

[HoustonGM]

38 but still a team would give up a useable player for someone who would be an instant starter on any team.
If the player's 31, yeah. Not when the player is 38. When a player enters his 36-40 age years, the chance of the player randomly dropping off the cliff greatly increases, and that risk needs to be taken into account. I would NEVER give up a young player who still has time to grow for a 38 year old, unless that 38 year old is obviously a superhuman.

[MrMackie]

Well, one glaring exception with players aged 36-40 is with pitchers. Veteran pitchers with good arms take less of a beating than everyday position players (esp. catchers) and tend to play longer and hold greater value. Pitching is at such a premium these days, esp. starting pitching; just look at how many pitchers in their late 30s and early 40s are still playing and having at least moderately productive years.

[pandanwh]

In response to the bad contract response:
How come the next season I have no problem trading said player and can get whatever I want for him.

[HoustonGM]

In response to the bad contract response:
How come the next season I have no problem trading said player and can get whatever I want for him.
Teams wants and needs change, perhaps? Payroll space opens up?

I assure you, there's no bug that says "player a cant be traded this season, but he can next"

[pandanwh]

Dude I have been playing this game since the day it came out and I have constantly had this problem. I have been praying that it would have been fixed by now. Trust me it is their.

[HoustonGM]

Dude I have been playing this game since the day it came out and I have constantly had this problem. I have been praying that it would have been fixed by now. Trust me it is their.
I've never have it. I am 99.9% sure there is not a bug that prevents a player from being traded, but allows him to be traded a year later. Like I said, teams may need that player more the next year, or a team may have payroll space open up....there are tons of reasons why a player may not be wanted one year, but is the next.

[pandanwh]

So you are essentially saying that every game I play, every season, no matter how hard I try that because their isnt a need for said player who just happens to be freshly signed wont be wanted because their isnt a need for him that year or because they dont have payroll space?
If you havent noticed, in this game if the player is good(and not freshly signed) then teams will trade for the player no matter how much in debt they are. How much they give in return is another thing but they will trade for him.

Try playing your games in Hall of Fame mode and keep winning like I am doing. Can I trade this player in rookie mode? You tell me.

[ScorpioPrimus]

I would think somebody like Sheffield -- assuming his numbers are still good -- would only have value to a team making a push this year, and yes, you'd have to add some sweetener to get a good prospect, as he could blow up at any moment.

[pandanwh]

I have been having to add a premium prospect to get a premium prospect of the same value. I think its bs. 2 good players for 1 just so I get the older guys salary off my books even though he has major value

[HoustonGM]

His value isn't major, because he's 38!!!! He can just drop any minute.

Also, i'm not sure if this is built into the game or not, but in real life, you can't trade a free agent you just signed for a certain amount of time (5 months or so I believe).

[pandanwh]

which is time for the trade deadline.

You are saying that if you are a contender and you had a chance to get to pick someone who can really help your team for a b grade prospect that you wouldnt do it because "he can drop at any moment"

If Ceasar Izturis can be traded for Greg Maddux then I think I can get a John Doe for said player.

[HoustonGM]

which is time for the trade deadline.

You are saying that if you are a contender and you had a chance to get to pick someone who can really help your team for a b grade prospect that you wouldnt do it because "he can drop at any moment"

If Ceasar Izturis can be traded for Greg Maddux then I think I can get a John Doe for said player.
Do you see how Greg Maddux is performing this year?

[HoustonGM]

Also, as MrMackie said, pitchers are different than hitters.

[pandanwh]

Do you see how Greg Maddux is performing this year?
Yes I do and that is why as a Dodger fan I cried inside when the trade happened

[pandanwh]

Also, as MrMackie said, pitchers are different than hitters.

Your right Pitcher are bigger busts. In real life and especially in this game

[HoustonGM]

Actually, a 40-year old pitcher has less of a chance of dropping off the table than a 40-year old outfielder.

[HoustonGM]

Yes I do and that is why as a Dodger fan I cried inside when the trade happened
Thanks for just shooting your own argument in the foot.

[pandanwh]

How?

I am guessing you dont own the game so download the demo, sign someone good and try to trade him.

[SF_Giants]

ROFL! did he just say that of all people, Houston doesn't own the game? ROFLMAO!

[pandanwh]

By the way your theory on pitching just went down the toilet with a trade I just made in my game.

I just traded Macier Izturis (81/83, 27 years old, 1.4 mill, 232 avg in 300 ab, 89 range) for a pitching prospect(74/97, 18 years old, good movement and endurance, 1 major league pitch, 2 that are coming around, padres ace is at an 81) and 1 million. HOF mode

Pitching is at a premium, my balls.

[pandanwh]

ROFL! did he just say that of all people, Houston doesn't own the game? ROFLMAO!


says a giants fan...enough said

[HoustonGM]

Haha. You're making me life, guy. How can I be one of two people who make rosters for Baseball Mogul, yet not own the game?

And I'm guessing you don't own the game, because there is no "HOF MODE." :p

And when did I ever say "pitching is at a premium" or that you can't trade someone for a good pitching prospect? The AI undervalues prospects. A real life GM would never have made that trade. That needs to be adjusted. The AI should place a higher value on peak for prospects, than overall. As of now, it seems overall is mroe highly valued. All I said that a 40-year old pitcher is a safer bet than a 40-year old outfielder.

[pandanwh]

I am not trying to be captain contrary but i would rather have a 40 year old batter then a 40 year old pitcher.(In real life and in this game)

Why:
Pitchers are wildly unpredictable.
Older pitchers have control and nothing else, as opposed to an older hitter having a better eye which is valued more.




If you really did make the rosters, then you should know the ins and outs of the game and be well aware of this bug.

[HoustonGM]

AND NOW A TEST.

I sign Alfonso Soriano (31) to a 4 year deal worth $19.7 million a year, on the first day of the offseason. i immediately go into trading block...Nothing there. Why? BECAUSE THE GUY IS PRICED RIDICUOULSY HIGH.

Now, I sign another good rated player, Jim Edmonds (36) No offers...

Now I sim until the ammy draft...and put both those guys on the block. Nothing.

Spring training...Nothing.

Opening day...Nothing.

Trading deadline...Nothing.

First day of next offseason...a bunch of offers for Soriano...one for Edmonds.

I'm not sure, I GUESS it can be looked into by Clay, but it seems like a very odd thing to be a bug.

[SF_Giants]

He makes a great defense doesn't he?

anyways, you are right about the pitcher/hitter thing. I've pitching in and around their 40's pitch more me for 2-3 years and be effective. Hitters over 35-36 is playing on luck you'll get a couple seasons out of them let alone at 40

[HoustonGM]

If you really did make the rosters, then you should know the ins and outs of the game and be well aware of this bug.
"If I really did"? Are you trying to say I'm lying? HELLO LOOK IN MY SIGNATURE AND DOWNLOAD THEM FOR YOURSELF.

I do know the ins and outs. I played Baseball Mogul 2003, 2006, and now 2007.

I just nevre tried to trade a player immediately after signing him, because that's a stupid thing to do. You sign him because you want him, not because you want to take him and trade him. It's entirely unrealistic, so I don't even mind if this "bug" stays there, because it helps prevent unrealistic bull.

[pandanwh]

I dont try to trade him immediately. I have dominated this game so much that it is now at the point where I work with low budget teams. I wait until I they have no use. It would be stupid otherwise.

If you did make the rosters then thank you for the hidden gem in Terry Shumpert.

[SF_Giants]

you shouldn't be able to sign a player and trade him right away. Not to mention most of the time you will end up over-paying for a player to get them on your team. and its hard to trade off a player that is overpaid.

[ChrisJNelson]

Why the **** would anyone question if someone made a roster? It's uploaded by him. If he didn't make it, who did? Was it the immaculater roster creation?

[pandanwh]

I am not saying I do that. Stupid Giant fan. Besides has anyone noticed that if you sign players late in the free agent paid then they are drastically underpaid.
For the record it is usually those players. I have no right getting Gary Sheffield for 3.4 mill for 1 year when his ratings are something like 88/85/80.

[HoustonGM]

They're underpaid when they get signed late because they lower their demands if no teams want them.


If you did make the rosters then thank you for the hidden gem in Terry Shumpert.
What?

[SF_Giants]

somehow i have a hard time trying to help out someone that has a huge bias against people for basically no reason.

[pandanwh]

shumpert has no bussiness being in baseball in 06 but if you get him he makes a great starting second basemen or dh on a bad team

[pandanwh]

somehow i have a hard time trying to help out someone that has a huge bias against people for basically no reason.
i just have a bias against people from the city of brotherly love

[HoustonGM]

shumpert has no bussiness being in baseball in 06 but if you get him he makes a great starting second basemen or dh on a bad team
Except Terry Shumpert is not in my roster....

[SF_Giants]

and you should notice that i'm from Arizona not San Fran

[pandanwh]

your still a giants fan. i think the same of you regardless

[HoustonGM]

"you're a giants fan, therefore, your opinion is useless and doesn't matter."

:rolleyes::

[boomboom]

wow, calling somebody a stuipid giants fan kind of makes your argument retarted.

Go back to elementry school.

[MrMackie]

i just have a bias against people from the city of brotherly love

Perma-ban the homophobe! :mad:

[ohms_law]

meh
this thread was doomed from the start.

[HoustonGM]

Perma-ban the homophobe! :mad:
LOL.

[MrMackie]

meh
this thread was doomed from the start.

Yes, and it should be banished to the Thread Netherworld ASAP. +1

[pandanwh]

Ban me permanently for hating San Francisco when I am a dodger fan. The people that respond in this thread really are retards.

[HoustonGM]

Ban me permanently for hating San Francisco when I am a dodger fan. The people that respond in this thread really are retards.
Well, two things.

1) Just because you hate the Giants doesn't mean you should hate any and all Giants fans and claim their opinion not worthy.

2) We're kidding.

[zanygoldberg]

Actually this is something that is definitely built into the game although I am not sure if its bug or something that is intended. You will not get ANYTHING for a player that you just signed. You can sign the youngest, best guy, at a cheap price and if you try to trade him before the next offseason you will get nothing in return. Now I didn't assume this was a bug but rather something built in by the creators to stop people from just signing people and immediately trading them to get better players. Maybe something like a 3 month manditory wait before you can trade a fa that you just signed. (On a side note, you can throw these guys in a trade right now to just dump salary but it requires you adding another player and basically its like the free agent who was signed doesn't exist.)

[kayelbe]

wow, calling somebody a stuipid giants fan kind of makes your argument retarted.

Go back to elementry school.


I don't think he's left, yet.

[JustPats]

AND NOW A TEST.

I sign Alfonso Soriano (31) to a 4 year deal worth $19.7 million a year, on the first day of the offseason. i immediately go into trading block...Nothing there. Why? BECAUSE THE GUY IS PRICED RIDICUOULSY HIGH.

Now, I sign another good rated player, Jim Edmonds (36) No offers...

Now I sim until the ammy draft...and put both those guys on the block. Nothing.

Spring training...Nothing.

Opening day...Nothing.

Trading deadline...Nothing.

First day of next offseason...a bunch of offers for Soriano...one for Edmonds.

I'm not sure, I GUESS it can be looked into by Clay, but it seems like a very odd thing to be a bug.
Isnt there a rule in Major League Baseball that prevents a team from signing a player to a free agent contract and then trading him within the same year?

[Brewersfan]

Actually this is something that is definitely built into the game although I am not sure if its bug or something that is intended. You will not get ANYTHING for a player that you just signed. You can sign the youngest, best guy, at a cheap price and if you try to trade him before the next offseason you will get nothing in return. Now I didn't assume this was a bug but rather something built in by the creators to stop people from just signing people and immediately trading them to get better players. Maybe something like a 3 month manditory wait before you can trade a fa that you just signed. (On a side note, you can throw these guys in a trade right now to just dump salary but it requires you adding another player and basically its like the free agent who was signed doesn't exist.)
Yes this definatly is true, i personally like the rule though. i rember when i used to play madden i would sign all the free agents then trade em for Draft Picks the next day. defiantly not realstic or fair.

[HoustonGM]

Isnt there a rule in Major League Baseball that prevents a team from signing a player to a free agent contract and then trading him within the same year?
There is a rule that prevents you from trading a signed free agent, but I'm not sure how long the wait is.

[ChrisJNelson]

It can't be a year, Roberto Hernandez was just traded.

[HoustonGM]

It can't be a year, Roberto Hernandez was just traded.
True. I think it's something like 3-6 months...I'll try to google it up.

[HoustonGM]

Got it.

"Major League free agents come with an automatic no-trade clause until after the next June 15."

[robinhoodnik]

I think that Philadelphia is actually the city of brotherly love. You used to be able to "game" the AI by signing top guys and trading them off for whoever you wanted. Thankfully that's been fixed. It's probably because they had an even shot at the same guy you got, and passed on him. You should wait for older players the 25-30 yr. old guys go fast, older guys often are there later so save yourself some money and sign them later or trade for them after another team drops off for the year.

[HoustonGM]

He was joking when he called SF the city of brotherly love, trying to joke about San Francisco being known as the gay capitol of the world.

:rolleyes:

[tigeraholic]

pandanwh- If you have a God-like ability to rule a one player video game why don't you try BBM online against humans??? I bet that would bring the ego back to earth....

[robinhoodnik]

Oh, I mistook it for ignorance. Guess that I should stay out of a Dodger/Giant fight since I'm on the Red Sox side of another one.:)

[robinhoodnik]

He'd probably be one of those types that get mad when you wont trade Josh Beckett for Todd Walker, John Flaherty and a sixth round fictional player with 48 movement and 56 health.

[boomboom]

He'd probably be one of those types that get mad when you wont trade Josh Beckett for Todd Walker, John Flaherty and a sixth round fictional player with 48 movement and 56 health.

Hey that is me ;)

[Tad Knackers]

He'd probably be one of those types that get mad when you wont trade Josh Beckett for Todd Walker, John Flaherty and a sixth round fictional player with 48 movement and 56 health.

That is a bad trade!

[rockiesfan4ever]

Way to bump an old thread

[Red Sox Fan 734]

lol