another auto-sort problem

[HoustonGM]

This is an isolated incident but I thought I'd report it anyway.

Adrian Gonzalez is benched (against both lefties and righties) and Michael Johnson starts......see....

[ohms_law]

Wth?

[HoustonGM]

My thoughts exactly. :p

[HoustonGM]

After simming one day into the season, the computer-controlled Padres put Adrian into the lineup...so this problem seems limited to "auto-sort" (In Commish mode, with all teams human controlled)...

[ohms_law]

:confused:
but... the AI always uses auto-sort.

It must have somethign to do with the pre-season.
still :confused: though

[HoustonGM]

Yeah...I have no clue.

[MrMackie]

This is nothing. I noticed that after a couple months of simming my franchise player, a 95-rated CF (and 3rd year player), somehow wound up in A-ball and played three games there. He was not injured at any point in the season, either. In fact, he missed a good 20 games during the regular season for no reason I can tell--he must've been on the bench or something. I stopped simming in June to check on everyone's progress and I'm glad I did, or else he might've been stuck in A-ball the whole year! Sheesh. :rolleyes:

[ohms_law]

He was not injured at any point in the season, either.well, you can't really say that unless you had injury contingency turned on to stop on injuries of 1 day or more. the only injuries that are actually recorded are 14 days or greater (major injuries).

I'm not saying that you're wrong per se, but I think you may be assuming things.

[MrMackie]

well, you can't really say that unless you had injury contingency turned on to stop on injuries of 1 day or more. the only injuries that are actually recorded are 14 days or greater (major injuries).

I'm not saying that you're wrong per se, but I think you may be assuming things.

I have it set to 1 day or more, I don't assume anything, and therefore I "can" say that. :rolleyes:

[ohms_law]

well, that's different...

why didn't you say so?
:)

[HoustonGM]

Ok, well thats a problem with the computer screwing up your lineup, which I myself have not seen.

Different from thsi odd auto-sort business.

[ohms_law]

actually, the roster AI may be "resting" the player. Clay has said that if you sim more than a week at a time, the roster AI will actively manage your roster. He also stated in the "is a DH injured less often" thread that the AI will attempt to lessen stress injuries by resting players, if able.
(that's in MrMackie's example)

[HoustonGM]

actually, the roster AI may be "resting" the player. Clay has said that if you sim more than a week at a time, the roster AI will actively manage your roster. He also stated in the "is a DH injured less often" thread that the AI will attempt to lessen stress injuries by resting players, if able.
(that's in MrMackie's example)
It does rest players - by just putting a reserve in the starting lineup for a day...it doesn't move the player to another level in order to give him a rest..

[SirKodiak]

This is nothing. I noticed that after a couple months of simming my franchise player, a 95-rated CF (and 3rd year player), somehow wound up in A-ball and played three games there. He was not injured at any point in the season, either. In fact, he missed a good 20 games during the regular season for no reason I can tell--he must've been on the bench or something. I stopped simming in June to check on everyone's progress and I'm glad I did, or else he might've been stuck in A-ball the whole year! Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Did you make a trade? That can mess up your lineup.

[ohms_law]

right, true.
*shrug*

wierd bug here though, that's for sure.

[MrMackie]

I've looked into this further and there's weirdness on many levels. I'm tired and my wrist is sore so I won't go into too many details, but this is what seems to have happened based on what I've pieced together from recaps, etc.:

• 95-rated, 25-year-old CF starts season in starting line-up.
• 74-rated, 37-year-old RF starts season on bench as OF sub.
• Simming starts on April 1, opening day. 95-rated CF starts first game of season.
• On 2nd game of season, AI moves 95-rated CF to bench/A-ball and promotes 74-rated RF to starting CF job (no record of where 95 guy is put, exactly).
• 74-rated RF plays a grand total of 14 games, starts in 5, bats .218, and is demoted to A-ball himself (based on game log).
• 74-rated RF retires from baseball on July 14, apparently upset with his role in A-ball.

There were many, many roster moves made by the AI during the first couple months of the season. E.g., Jeremy Giambi was signed to a 5-year deal at $290k per, followed by his retirement on June 18 (nope, no injuries). How nice.

I'm trying to figure out the course my 95-rated CF took. It's just weird--there are about 15-20 games I cannot account for. He did spend a total of three games in A ball, though. Keep in mind my injury meter was set to 1+ days, so I should've been notified.

[ohms_law]

strange...
good report though.

[MrMackie]

BTW, there have been 216 retirements during the season (2006) that I'm just concluding. While many of the retirees are older players who hadn't played above AAA for 1+ seasons, many of the retirees are players who were having good seasons, including several who'd signed substantial contracts (see Jeremy Giambi, a few posts earlier). Also, only a small % of the retired players who'd played part of the 2006 season suffered an injury, and the ones who did retire upon injury typically had minimal damage.

My favorite injury + retirement: Joe McEwing played a few weeks at Houston's AAA affiliate and quit on May 1, at age 33. Injury? Broken toenail (1 day). :p

[HoustonGM]

There's another thread for that. Although, you know that, since you posted there. :p

[Clay Dreslough]

actually, the roster AI may be "resting" the player.When you sim a week or more, the AI will give a player a day off if he generally isn't someone that plays every game of the player. This basically means anyone with a Health rating under 90, and all catchers.

But you should notice:

1) The CPU won't put anyone in AAA. It will only bench a player for a day (and that player still might pinch hit).

2) This shouldn't happen more than 1 day in a row.

3) This shouldn't happen in the last two months of the season if you are still in contention.

So the report from MrMackie would appear to be a bug as it violates #1 and #2. Some more info would be useful to track it down.

Clay

[Clay Dreslough]

This is an isolated incident but I thought I'd report it anyway.

Adrian Gonzalez is benched (against both lefties and righties) and Michael Johnson starts......see....Are these with your current rosters? Can I replicate it by downloading them and clicking 'Auto-Sort'?

[HoustonGM]

Are these with your current rosters? Can I replicate it by downloading them and clicking 'Auto-Sort'?
Yes, my current rosters I believe. Download the file and open the .mog and click Auto-Sort. It should do this.

I've fixed this for my next release. I made a new Michael Johnson, with seperate stats, and it works fine...new MJ is below.

[HoustonGM]

The weird thing is that the second Michael Johnson is actually better....there just must've bene something in the first Michael Johnson that the auto-sort loved...