v9.44D: Manager Mode fielding and baserunning

[SirKodiak]

One thing I've noticed in playing in Manger Mode, it doesn't seem like the runner on 2nd advances to 3rd often enough on a ground ball to the second baseman. I can rarely recall the runner not advancing to 3rd, regardless of speed, in a MLB game I have seen. I don't have any numbers on the subject, though.

[SirKodiak]

It also seems players ground into DPs too often as opposed to getting fielder's choices.

I don't have in-game numbers, but I do have these MLB numbers from 'The Fielding Bible' that might help in checking the fielding numbers:
---
GDP Opp is defined as

a fielder involved in a fielding play,
on a ground ball,
in a double play situation.


Double play situation is defined as

a runner on first (doesn't matter if there is a runner on another base)
less than 2 outs


GDP% = GDP / GDP Opp

GDP%, MLB, 2003-2005, was 39.0% (11567 GDP in 29686 GDP Opp)

[Rongar]

It also seems players ground into DPs too often as opposed to getting fielder's choices.

I don't have in-game numbers, but I do have these MLB numbers from 'The Fielding Bible' that might help in checking the fielding numbers:
---
GDP Opp is defined as

a fielder involved in a fielding play,
on a ground ball,
in a double play situation.


Double play situation is defined as

a runner on first (doesn't matter if there is a runner on another base)
less than 2 outs


GDP% = GDP / GDP Opp

GDP%, MLB, 2003-2005, was 39.0% (11567 GDP in 29686 GDP Opp)

SirK, I had this DP problem with a couple of my bucketfoots (do you find that it's the same guy(s) that are prone to hit into these?), I arranged the lineup so that someone with a speed of, at least, 70 bats just in front of them - seems to work - an added joy is, that in pitch-by-pitch, if you set the batter to "run and hit", very often the 70mph guy will steal second, on a ball or-less often -a strike, but if contact is made by the batter, it will, at least goose the rabbit to run, sometimes, all the way Home -my 86 Expos Raines & Dawson are marvellous at this.

As to your plaint in t'other post about runners staying put on ground outs and, for me, often failing to tag-up on fly-balls, I get the same impression, can't give details or frequency, too busy cussin' the bloke wot got out to notice !:mad:

Btw...just noticed the addition of FAQ to your posts...nice job,mate:cool:
also, starting to re-align boxscores, again, thanks for your input - there's a post addressing you on the "Montreal Megaphone" thread in the Dynasty forum

[SirKodiak]

SirK, I had this DP problem with a couple of my bucketfoots (do you find that it's the same guy(s) that are prone to hit into these?), I arranged the lineup so that someone with a speed of, at least, 70 bats just in front of them - seems to work - an added joy is, that in pitch-by-pitch, if you set the batter to "run and hit", very often the 70mph guy will steal second, on a ball or-less often -a strike, but if contact is made by the batter, it will, at least goose the rabbit to run, sometimes, all the way Home -my 86 Expos Raines & Dawson are marvellous at this.

As to your plaint in t'other post about runners staying put on ground outs and, for me, often failing to tag-up on fly-balls, I get the same impression, can't give details or frequency, too busy cussin' the bloke wot got out to notice !:mad:

Btw...just noticed the addition of FAQ to your posts...nice job,mate:cool:
also, starting to re-align boxscores, again, thanks for your input - there's a post addressing you on the "Montreal Megaphone" thread in the Dynasty forum
Speed helps, either from the batter or the runner, as it should. (Though if you look at Willie McGee's GIDP numbers and know how fast he was, you see that at times playing surface and the style of hitting the batter uses plays a bigger part than footspeed) But there are plenty of plays in baseball where the speed difference between Tim Raines and Gary Carter just don't matter, and the fielders are only going to have enough time to get one out (like slow choppers into the hole). I am mostly just saying that I think a double play with average speed players occurs too often, and providing numbers Clay could use to perhaps refine it. You did remind me of another problem I was going to bring up though... :)

[SirKodiak]

Another thing I have seen is that far too often (maybe always, I can't remember at the moment) batters do not swing on a failed hit & run. I have no problem with the frequency that the batters fail to execute the hit & run (as I have no idea what that frequency is), but to not swing... that just would not be acceptable. A failed hit & run should show a swing (it doesn't have to have an effect on the end result, which I assume was already decided, but should happen for visual accuracy's sake)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Another thing I have seen is that far too often (maybe always, I can't remember at the moment) batters do not swing on a hit & run. I have no problem with the frequency that the batters fail to execute the hit & run (as I have no idea what that frequency is), but to not swing... that just would not be acceptable. A failed hit & run should show a swing (it doesn't have to have an effect on the end result, which I assume was already decided, but should happen for visual accuracy's sake)

That I definitely have noticed

[19nazzy]

SirK, I had this DP problem with a couple of my bucketfoots (do you find that it's the same guy(s) that are prone to hit into these?)
I do. It ticks me off to no end too.
I have him batting 5th with a guy with 78 speed ahead of him. And I've seen too many times with guys on 1st/3rd and 1 out, him grounding into a double play. Bleh.

[Rongar]

Gentlemen, I did write "Run and Hit"...not wot you wrote...I never use "H&R",myself, had too much trouble with it, in the Weaver game.

You'll find RAH in the bottom box of the "computer management" (South-East of the batter) much more fun than H&R...be sure to make the distinction - it's "Run" first, then "and hit"

Rapid running ! (accompanied by happy hitting) ...:)

P.S. It's just dawned on me, chaps - you're talking about GM or Manager mode...as always, I'm thinking about my experiences in Player "pitch by pitch' mode...could be a world of difference.

What I should do, to avoid future talking at cross purposes, is to have a permanent notice ln my posts e.g Sirk's "I don't want to be like Babe Ruth - Roger Maris" I know how to do a signature, but can anyone tell me how to insert a brief message in the left-hand corner, please?

[SirKodiak]

I did miss that, there is certainly a huge difference between run&hit and hit&run. With the team I have been using, they have no outstanding speedsters (the A's) and since most catchers have a 86+ arm, I have not used R&H with this team.


I know how to do a signature, but can anyone tell me how to insert a brief message in the left-hand corner, please?
Sorry, I am not sure what you are asking for here

[Brewersfan]

Also wanted to add the runner taking to many chances when no outs runner on third,when there's a ground ball.Numerous times I've had my runner thrown out in this situation on ground balls to the 3rd baseman, pitcher, etc. situation's where he probably shouldn't have tried with only no outs.

[Brewersfan]

would like to see some kind of slider for the runners, you could make it simple aggresive,average,or passive.And you would be able to adjust it during the game depending on the situation.

[Rongar]

Sorry, I am not sure what you are asking for here[/QUOTE]

Sirk, I want to make it clear that whatever I say about gameplay in my posts,
is based upon my experiences as one who, habitually operates in PLAYER MODE at the FAN level- a whole different ballgame from most folks.

To this end, I want to include a permanent phrase like the one that appears in your posts "I don't want to be Babe Ruth - Roger Maris" Mine would be something like "I preach pitch by pitch at Fan level"

How did you go about inserting your pemanent phrases in your posts, pray?

For what its worth, run & hit works very well in PxP...both my '77 Jays, and my current '86 Expos, enjoyed the best sb percentage in both leagues.
The catcher never enters my calculations ...some he wins - mostly my runners prevail, catcher's arms seem to make no diff
Any time that I have one guy on First base, and he has a minimum speed rating of a mere 70+, I click on Run and Hit...as I do if I have a speedster (70+) both at 1st and at 2nd base. I never try it with a slowpoke onbase, no matter how fast the other runners...and I never try it with anyone on 3rd Tho I used to enjoy "bunt for hit" or "suicide squeeze" for that last situation

[ohms_law]

To this end, I want to include a permanent phrase like the one that appears in your posts "I don't want to be Babe Ruth - Roger Maris" Mine would be something like "I preach pitch by pitch at Fan level"

How did you go about inserting your pemanent phrases in your posts, pray?

You acomplish this simply by adding text to your profile's signature. in the upper left of every page, there is a link to "user cp", meaning user control panel. On that page, there is a link to "Edit Signature", and on that page is a message text box. simply add text to that message box and whatever text you enter will be displayed on any message that you post from then on.

[tjmats]

Yeah, I've noticed that my team has a lot more GIDP's than the computer teams when I play in Manager mode. Doesn't seem to happen in PBP mode as badly, nor does it happen much when I Run & Hit a lot.

Also, I do notice that you when you Hit & Run (or Run & Hit) you never get a basehit from hitting a ground ball into the area where the fielder who's covering 2nd was. One would think you should get a higher chance of getting a basehit from a grounder as well as a higher chance of a DP from a Lineout.

[Rongar]

You acomplish this simply by adding text to your profile's signature. in the upper left of every page, there is a link to "user cp", meaning user control panel. On that page, there is a link to "Edit Signature", and on that page is a message text box. simply add text to that message box and whatever text you enter will be displayed on any message that you post from then on.









Trying out your suggestion, Ohms...looks fine, Ohms to the rescue again!...I appreciate that, as always.
I hope that the new phrase makes it clear what I'm on about...if not, I'm sure someone will tell me!:D Thanks, once again, Ohms

[jgurney]

Some other things I've noticed in Manager Mode:

(1) When you select either Run & Hit or Hit & Run and the batter connects for a base hit, there are several times where the runner (even ones with Speed > 90) does not advance more than one base (typically for runners starting from 1B). This is true even when the hit is through to the outfield and often to right field. I expect that the chance of the runner advancing to third is several times better when R&H or H&R is used (more for R&H of course) than a normal running situation. Has anyone noticed something similar?

(2) I have played about 400 Manager Mode games so far and have never seen a balk or wild pitch in the game. The happen in the simmed games (according to Sortable Stats), but I've never seen it in one of my Manager Mode games. About 50% of these games were played before the patch that fixed an error regarding balks/WPs, but I would have expected to see at least one in the following 200 or so games. Has anyone seen a balk or WP in a Manager Mode game? I am beginning to suspect a bug here.

[Rongar]

Some other things I've noticed in Manager Mode:

(1) When you select either Run & Hit or Hit & Run and the batter connects for a base hit, there are several times where the runner (even ones with Speed > 90) does not advance more than one base (typically for runners starting from 1B). This is true even when the hit is through to the outfield and often to right field. I expect that the chance of the runner advancing to third is several times better when R&H or H&R is used (more for R&H of course) than a normal running situation. Has anyone noticed something similar?

(2) I have played about 400 Manager Mode games so far and have never seen a balk or wild pitch in the game. The happen in the simmed games (according to Sortable Stats), but I've never seen it in one of my Manager Mode games. About 50% of these games were played before the patch that fixed an error regarding balks/WPs, but I would have expected to see at least one in the following 200 or so games. Has anyone seen a balk or WP in a Manager Mode game? I am beginning to suspect a bug here.

I can't speak for Manager mode, but in Player mode, these things come to pass ...quite often when employing "Run and Hit" a batter will send a runner from 1st to 3rd and (sometimes) beyond...and just yesterday my '86 Galarraga
(not my speediest runner) hit an inside-the-park homer "waved on" by his astute, and ever-alert 3rd base coach (guess who?)

As a matter of fact, a box appeared quoting the runner's speed rating, and that of the relevant fielder's arm, and asking did I want the runner to try for home?...since the Cat's rating was higher, it was a no-brainer...do you get similar messages in Manager mode? The running is so free and easy in Player mode - and I, such a rabbi to rabbits - that doubles, triples, and SBs abound.
Why, again, yesterday, I had a player score the winning run by hitting into a double play!

As for wild pitches, yes, they occur, occasionally, in Player mode...don't remember any balks, so far.

[jgurney]

Yes, in Manager Mode the option to send runners for extra bases is available. I am seeing players fairly regularly who are doing R&H from 1B that don't advance past 2B on a hit to the right field. Seems odd since with a Run & Hit the runner should be halfway to 2B before the ball reaches the outfield. Especially with a speedy runner, I would think the player would get to 3B more often than not.

Good to hear that WPs happen in Player Mode, I suppose I'll get them eventually in Manager Mode then. :)

[SirKodiak]

I've never seen a wild pitch/passed ball in Manager Mode, but have seen them in General Manager and Player modes.

[SirKodiak]

I was thinking perhaps something between the current Manager (one pitch) setting and Player setting would be nice. Like a Manager (Every Pitch) mode, where you get to see every pitch and make decisions on every pitch, but only the decisions currently allowed in one pitch mode (plus pitchout, don't swing, etc.)

What does everyone think? If enough show interest, I'll post it seperately.

[HoustonGM]

I've seen a wild pitch in Manager mode, but that was a long long time ago.

[ohms_law]

I was thinking perhaps something between the current Manager (one pitch) setting and Player setting would be nice. Like a Manager (Every Pitch) mode, where you get to see every pitch and make decisions on every pitch, but only the decisions currently allowed in one pitch mode (plus pitchout, don't swing, etc.)

What does everyone think? If enough show interest, I'll post it seperately.

I'm not sure exactly what you're proposing here. Something that's both manager mode and player mode... but i'm not really clear on what's different from what? And why there should be a new mode rather than adjusting the existing modes?

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Wow posts in the wrong order (12 41 GM followed by 7.47 Ohm) now thats a "TIME BUG"

[ohms_law]

eh? HoustonGM posted at 08:41:00 p.m. GMT, I posted at 03:47:00 a.m. GMT.

[Rongar]

[QUOTEGood to hear that WPs happen in Player Mode, I suppose I'll get them eventually in Manager Mode then. :)[/QUOTE]

Sorry, Jay, 'taint necessarily so...there's a lot goes on in PLAYER mode that doesn't elsewhere...

[jgurney]

I finally had a pickoff in Manager Mode....only took about 450 games :D

[ohms_law]

there was a problem with balks and wild pitches that was fixed not too long ago.
Balks & Wild Pitches? [Fixed 9.44] (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=116113&highlight=balk)

looks like pickoffs may need to be adressed as well.

[jgurney]

No, I was just curious if these things ever happened in Manager mode, and it looks like they do. I still have yet to see a WP or Balk in Manager mode, but at least I've seen a pickoff now.