What is important to you in BM ?

[FRENCHREDSOX]

After several months of playing 07(but years of BM play) & reading various threads I realised (or should I say it was confirmed) that each user has different goals & likes/dislikes.

I just wondered what it is that is important to YOU in the BM games ?

[TheNamelessPoet]

I could have piched them all but I guess these 3.

[Red Sox Fan 734]

I could have picked any of them

[RickD]

Realism....Historical and playability. THose 3 are the best parts of the game to me.

[Sanji Watsuki]

Realism, playability, and other.
Quite frankly my main turnoff with OOTP is the sim speed. Sim Speed means A LOT to me and a compact game that forces realism into speed is what I'd like to see :D

[beerchaser]

Depends on what your target audience is. I'm new to BM but I'm guessing you already have a core of users who know the baseball rulebook pretty well and want their sims to be as "real" as possible. Me, I respect the rules of baseball and am willing to live with them but I don't know some of the more arcane ones, as evidenced by the expansion draft thread.

But I think that if Clay wants to expand his audience to reach the masses, he's going to have to inject more "fun" into it and make it as easy as possible to play. I think "easy to play, hard to master" is the nirvana state that most game developers seek to achieve.

[disposablehero]

i would have voted for these in an altered form:


Playability - keeping the game the same &/or improvements on the nucleus of the game

More Fun based - less realism but better AI & easier to play

More realism - application of MLB rules in the years they apply at a potential cost of complexity

Playability - improvements on the nucleus of the game

More Fun based - better AI

More realism - application of MLB rules in the years they apply

and i did vote for "options"

[RAW]

Voted for more realism, vis a vis the rules.
More options, such as holding/advancing runners, tag-up, or not, advancing trailing runners, pitch outs, etc.
Other - elimination of unrealistic plays, i. e., no second to third to first double plays, fewer pop up drops by the catcher and dropped fly balls by outfielders (even though that just happened the Cardinals-Padres game today, it is extremely rare).

[ohms_law]

I voted for all of them. No one issue is more important than any of the other's here, in my opinion. Balance is what makes a game good.

[RAW]

Didn't vote for "More fun category, because of the "less realism" part. If anything, I would like more realism, i. e., plays in individual games that more reflect what actually happens in real major league games. For example, in recent game, bases loaded, grounder to pitcher who then turned a 1-5-3 double play. Never seen that in my life. A 1-2-3, or even 1-4(6)-3 DP would be reasonable, but never a 1-5-3. No, the 3rd baseman wasn't covering home, or 2nd.
I do agree we could use better AI, especially in regards to in-game decisions, such as intentional walks, pinch hitting, sac bunts, etc., all of which I and others have mentioned in other posts.

[HoustonGM]

1-5-3 isnt out of the realm of possibility...grounder to the pitcher on the far left side of the infield, pitcher flips to the third basemen who throws across to first..

[RAW]

OK, perhaps in your sample...just never seen it happen. Of course, as they say, you see something "new" in just about every game in real life.

[JayC]

1-5-3 isnt out of the realm of possibility...
What was that double play the Mets had the other night? 7-4-1-1 or something like that? One thing in baseball, and even more true in the millions of games we're collectively all simulating: there's not much about which you can say "never would happen." :)

[beerchaser]

Dodger fans like me would prefer to forget that play ever happened.

[JayC]

Heh... I sympathize with that, Beerchaser.

But you know that if it had happened in BM first, whoever noticed it in a game recap would almost certainly think it must be a bug, because "it would never happen in real life." The point is that a strange double play isn't necessarily a problem... but while it's not inconceivable that something like RAW's 1-5-3 could happen in real life, it shouldn't happen very often in the game. But I'll admit that I tend not to pay that close attention to that kind of detail when playing or reviewing my recaps, so I couldn't say how much of a fluke that is.

[The Senator]

I would like to see hitting streaks kept somewhere.

[beerchaser]

^That's a good idea, hadn't thought about that one.

[RAW]

In regards to the Mets odd double play the other night. Its scored 9-4-2, Right fielder to Second baseman to catcher with two put outs credited to the catcher and an assist to both fielders. A "-" in the scoring indicates an assist, and a player cannot have an assist to himself, so it could never be 7-4-1-1 or 9-4-2-2, or anything like that. The number following the "-" does not indicate a putout in every situation, but can indicate two putouts, as in the case in the Mets/Dodger game. Again, I say a pitcher to third to first is an extremely rare play, whereas, pitcher to third to second may happen more often, or pitcher to second to first. With runners on 1st & 2nd, I've seen the 1-5-3 DP happen several times, but never 1-5-4, or 1-4-3 in my games.

[disposablehero]

that may be your scoring method, but there's no 'right' or 'official' way.

[RAW]

Sorry, disposablehero, but there is a right, "official" way to record scoring. Get an official scoring manual and check.

[ohms_law]

Get an official scoring manual and check.

Where?

[SirKodiak]

from the official scoring manual store :p

[FRENCHREDSOX]

It think he means the MLB rules because

"The league president shall appoint an official scorer for each league championship game. The official scorer shall observe the game from a position in the press box. The scorer shall have sole authority to make all decisions involving judgment, such as whether a batter’s advance to first base is the result of a hit or an error. He shall communicate such decisions to the press box and broadcasting booths by hand signals or over the press box loudspeaker system, and shall advise the public address announcer of such decisions if requested.
The Official Scorer must make all decisions concerning judgment calls within twenty-four (24) hours after a game has been officially concluded. No judgment decision shall be changed thereafter except, upon immediate application to the League President, the scorer may request a change, citing the reasons for such. In all cases, the official scorer is not permitted to make a scoring decision which is in conflict with the scoring rules.
After each game, including forfeited and called games, the scorer shall prepare a report, on a form prescribed by the league president, listing the date of the game, where it was played, the names of the competing clubs and the umpires, the full score of the game, and all records of individual players compiled according to the system specified in these Official Scoring Rules."


http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp

MLB doesnt have an official scoring manual as such howvever Interanational Baseball (Olympics,WBC etc) does:
http://www.baseballscorecard.com/forum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=11&Topic=838

[FRENCHREDSOX]

from the official scoring manual store :p

Is that found in the "Official Manual" Street ?:rolleyes:

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Interesting to note that there are "roughly" 2 schools of thought (poll wise):

1) those who would like extra realism (more MLB like including rules applying at specific time periods &
2) those who want playability (better games play)


although the 2 are not necessarilly mutually exclusive...

[ohms_law]

although the 2 are not necessarilly mutually exclusive...

not even close...
;)

FYI: I remember RAW saying some months ago that he either used to be an official scorer, or knew a family member who was, or something along those lines. coincidentally, while arguing with disposablehero over the same subject, i believe. :)

AFAIK, there is an official scoring book, but MLB doesn't sell it or otherwise make it public for whatever reason. I remember seeing a web page several months ago, complaining about the fact that you can't get a copy of the official rules.

[Brewersfan]

For me The most important thing is the realism and application of baseball rules. For me that should be high priority, fixing the scoring errors and such.

[RAW]

Yes, I was an "official scorer" in professional as well as collegiate baseball in my younger days.
Try "Baseball Almanac" web site for information on how to score. Although there is no "one official method" there is some standard forms used by all official scorers, i. e., the numbering system for fielders is one.
Finally, agree with Brewersfan..realism and application of rules are my highest priorities and hope its the same with BM management as I really like most of the aspects of this game.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Yes, I was an "official scorer" in professional as well as collegiate baseball in my younger days.
Try "Baseball Almanac" web site for information on how to score. Although there is no "one official method" there is some standard forms used by all official scorers, i. e., the numbering system for fielders is one.
Finally, agree with Brewersfan..realism and application of rules are my highest priorities and hope its the same with BM management as I really like most of the aspects of this game.

Agreed also ....

[disposablehero]

Although there is no "one official method" there is some standard forms used by all official scorers, i. e., the numbering system for fielders is one.


...no 'right' or 'official' way....
:confused:

so why the he11 did you get your panties all in a bunch after i said that, arguing just to argue?