MLB teams that should move for better fans ect.

[midwestjw]

Here's a list of teams that could move so they could turn a profit or have a record year and not let the powerhouse[ ie Yanks, Mets, Braves]

Post your opinions...

[Red Sox Fan 734]

Were's the list?????

[midwestjw]

took me a little bit to get them down

[disposablehero]

i say they should actually try to win, instead of move cities, to draw more fans.

[ohms_law]

i say they should actually try to win, instead of move cities, to draw more fans.

exactly. other = none.

[Brewersfan]

Yea I also put none, I don't like to see teams move, Is terrible for the fans.
Any football fans rember when the Browns moved to Baltimore!

[disposablehero]

Yea I also put none, I don't like to see teams move, Is terrible for the fans.
Any football fans rember when the Browns moved to Baltimore!
on the other hand, there are still many older Dodger fans in New York, plenty of Raider fans in LA, and tons of Rams fans still in Anaheim ;)

[ohms_law]

plenty of Raider fans in LA, and tons of Rams fans still in Anaheim
with noone better to root for...

[disposablehero]

Chargers? 49ers?

[beerchaser]

Voted for Tampa Bay, they play on a sucky field and have sucky management. They need a new city and new people in charge.

[boomboom]

Voted for Tampa.

But in Florida, they won a World series in 97', another one 5 years later...you would think they could have held it together....

[oriole^]

Orioles should move?

That isn't tobacco in that cig, is it?

[robinhoodnik]

I think that Tampa may have to move but the rest just need better owners or management. Florida, Pittsburgh and Kansas City, and Baltimore's owners should be forced out, Baltimore has the added burden of bad management as well. I think MLB really needs to do a much better job of looking into people before allowing a sale. Anyone remember when Glass took over in K.C.? I do. He was going to pump money into them, build them back up to their former stature as a powerhouse team, nothing was going to stop him. What happened? Peter Angelos let his fantasy junkie brats run the team, and they played it like it was a fantasy team. They suc k! Angelos (Baltimore) has his GM waiting in the office of his law firm to get permission for stupid things that most GM's have the power to do. Imagine spending an hour in the office reception area, waiting for permission to pull the trigger on a trade or free agent pickup? Why bother? Loria in Florida ran the Expos into the ground and is currently being sued for fraud among other things by his former partners. His punishment? He's rewarded with a new franchise in southern Florida to ruin. Pitts owner is a trust fund brat who is a throwback to the teens. He will not pay players if he can avoid it. Pittsburgh is a great franchise that suffers from an incompetent, S.O.B. owner.

[midwestjw]

That is why they should move ore get new ownership, management ect. But it took 15 years for Milwauke to get rid of the piece of trash Bud Selig. He is the worst one of the bunch and he's still commish. Why!? Mark annastacio[sp?] has made the Brewers a much better team than what they were. The same should be donw in baltimore, pittsburg and cinncy. Heck, Pit and Cin has been there since the inception of baseball. They need to stay, but win and do great. It is a shame thay have to be compared to Kansas City or Tampa Bay. These are the reason why expansion fails. KC and Tampa are great cities, but not for baseball.

[ohms_law]

KC and Tampa are great cities, but not for baseball.
what in the world makes you say that?

[SFSteveG]

I'd like to see Mark Cuban pick up an MLB team. He's from Pittsburgh so I'm sure he'd love to have them and I know he'd give the team the cash to make them contenders.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I know he'd give the team the cash to make them contenders.

Funny you should say that...I was thinking about Cap introductions related to this thread - I wondered if a LOW & HIGH cap would affect the level of the play & stop certain owners ripping off the fans (D-Rays progression since intro into the league & basic Marlin situation)

[robinhoodnik]

I'd like to see Mark Cuban pick up an MLB team. He's from Pittsburgh so I'm sure he'd love to have them and I know he'd give the team the cash to make them contenders.

I heard that he'd tried but couldn't get approval for buying Pittsburgh. I think the loser who owns them wasn't really interested in selling either.

[robinhoodnik]

Funny you should say that...I was thinking about Cap introductions related to this thread - I wondered if a LOW & HIGH cap would affect the level of the play & stop certain owners ripping off the fans (D-Rays progression since intro into the league & basic Marlin situation)

A minimum would be perfect. These guys aren't poor. They have dozens of millionaires working for them. Stop doling out the cash (revenue sharing) if it's not being returned to the on field product. They hurt all of the other teams earning power when they put a AAA squad on the field like K.C. has for some time now.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

A minimum would be perfect. These guys aren't poor. They have dozens of millionaires working for them. Stop doling out the cash (revenue sharing) if it's not being returned to the on field product. They hurt all of the other teams earning power when they put a AAA squad on the field like K.C. has for some time now.

Well if you instituted both then it could work say 50 mill min(which would force the D Rays/Marlins to be players in the FA game even if they want to keep producing "rookies") & 150 max (limiting Yankees/Red Sox/Mets financial power) with a 5/10% increase per annum;maybe a way is to increase minimum MLB pay to something reasonable like 500k & pay the poor schmucks at AAA a real wage (the max they can get is 60k -why not 200k ?)

[petrel]

A better question would be "do teams have a right to move?"

For "teams that should move" I put "other", i. e. "none".

--Pet

[ohms_law]

maybe a way is to increase minimum MLB pay to something reasonable like 500k & pay the poor schmucks at AAA a real wage (the max they can get is 60k -why not 200k ?)

holy ****! you have got to be joking!

[disposablehero]

a salary floor will fix some problems, but create others (that would be just as bad).

i dont think forcing TB to pay Greg Vaughn $12 million a year is a good idea for the teams, the fans, the "market", or the players.

[ohms_law]

That makes me uneasy as well. would adding a floor do anything other than cause salary "inflation"?

An even better argument against any sort of move like that: The 2006 Florida Marlins, the most efficient team in history!

[robinhoodnik]

That is why they should move ore get new ownership, management ect. But it took 15 years for Milwauke to get rid of the piece of trash Bud Selig. He is the worst one of the bunch and he's still commish. Why!? Mark annastacio[sp?] has made the Brewers a much better team than what they were. The same should be donw in baltimore, pittsburg and cinncy. Heck, Pit and Cin has been there since the inception of baseball. They need to stay, but win and do great. It is a shame thay have to be compared to Kansas City or Tampa Bay. These are the reason why expansion fails. KC and Tampa are great cities, but not for baseball.

Longer than that. Bud brought the Brewers to Milwaukee. He bought the Seattle Pilots after their inaugural season and moved them east. Which caused a stir (lawsuit threats etc.) in Seattle and in order to placate the city, MLB had to promise a new franchise to Seattle, which set off another round of expansion as MLB hadn't intended to give Seattle a new team, which led to................ Hey, I just realized this............... IT'S ALL SEATTLE'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robinhoodnik]

a salary floor will fix some problems, but create others (that would be just as bad).

i dont think forcing TB to pay Greg Vaughn $12 million a year is a good idea for the teams, the fans, the "market", or the players.

The arguement that George Steinbrenner made regarding revenue sharing was basically that he was tired of paying into the luxury tax and other revenue sharing schemes only to have some owners consistently pocket all of that revenue and continue to cry poor and put substandard teams on the field. The Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers etc. all suffer when they have to go into a place like K.C. and no one shows up to see the game. They cut attendance down so far that it's probably not worth much if anything to go there as the financial payoff is negligable. Sure it's a chance at some soft wins, but money also needs to come in to the picture somewhere too. I think that if the teams are going to accept the revenue sharing, then they should have to spend the revenue sharing on the product. They of course could refuse the money and continue putting a shoddy team out there; but would they?

[robinhoodnik]

Longer than that. Bud brought the Brewers to Milwaukee. He bought the Seattle Pilots after their inaugural season and moved them east. Which caused a stir (lawsuit threats etc.) in Seattle and in order to placate the city, MLB had to promise a new franchise to Seattle, which set off another round of expansion as MLB hadn't intended to give Seattle a new team, which led to................ Hey, I just realized this............... IT'S ALL SEATTLE'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Selig's been screwing baseball up for over thirty years now! What an unprecedented run he's on! GO BUD!
AND WHEN YOU GET THERE............ STAY THERE PLEASE.

[disposablehero]

The arguement that George Steinbrenner made regarding revenue sharing was basically that he was tired of paying into the luxury tax and other revenue sharing schemes only to have some owners consistently pocket all of that revenue and continue to cry poor and put substandard teams on the field. The Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers etc. all suffer when they have to go into a place like K.C. and no one shows up to see the game. They cut attendance down so far that it's probably not worth much if anything to go there as the financial payoff is negligable. Sure it's a chance at some soft wins, but money also needs to come in to the picture somewhere too. I think that if the teams are going to accept the revenue sharing, then they should have to spend the revenue sharing on the product. They of course could refuse the money and continue putting a shoddy team out there; but would they?
and i completely agree with Georgie in this case, but i dont think a salary floor is the way to go.

this issue is why i said im anxiuos to see the "ammendments" to the revenue sharing part of the new CBA. are they actually putting some meat on the table or just filling my bowl with beef broth?

[Brewersfan]

Look, I don't want to be rude but you guys that think Bud selig has ruined baseball are, well not looking at the big picture. I won't say what I really think:D . I could list thousand's of reason's why he is the best thing that has happened to baseball, but that's a topic of another thread. Let me just make a few points. Who has the strongest union in the world? The Players Association. Who is the only commisioner in The history of baseball to renegoitate a new collective Bargaining agreement without a work stoppage? Not once but now twice. Fay Vincent?? Bartlett Giamatti?? No Bud Selig. Who is the only commisioner to have amendents made to a collective Bargaining agreement before it expired? Bud Selig with the steriod testing. And most important who brought back baseball to Milwaukee after Braves walked out. Bud Selig. And who fought to get The Brewers a new stadium. Faught like you wouldn't believe to insure the Brewers would stay in Milwaukee. Bud selig.
And when he ensured the future of the Brewers was secure who finally stepped aside and sold the team. Bud Selig. You people see only what you want see. with out Bud Selig baseball would be like Hockey is now.

[ohms_law]

They cut attendance down so far that it's probably not worth much if anything to go there as the financial payoff is negligable. Sure it's a chance at some soft wins, but money also needs to come in to the picture somewhere too.
Excellent point. Think about it from a buisness perspective, and the win's statement is actually irrelevant. As a buisness entity, you simply want to attact fans to come and see the entertainment product (a baseball game) in order to bring in revenue. How that product performs it's entertainment is not very important beyond it being entertaining for people to watch.


I think that if the teams are going to accept the revenue sharing, then they should have to spend the revenue sharing on the product. They of course could refuse the money and continue putting a shoddy team out there; but would they?
While this is great in principle, how to you really enforce it? What's to stop the Florida Marlins, for instance, from simply going out and offering thier current player's $X in order to meet the salary floor? (not that there player's wouldn't deserve it, but still...)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

i say they should try to win not move

I think they do but sometimes it is difficult to retain their best players since the intro of FA - Pittsburgh have made an effort by signing their studs long term but even Big Market teams are using this ploy to lock up their players so that the Sox/yankees dont have a chance to sign them (look at the Reyes/Wright deals)


Problem will always exist as long as financially & organisationally (hiring of the best doctors,managers,GMs & scouts) the larger market teams retain a significant advantage