What's Happening To My Revenue?

[ervinn]

I need some help please in determining whether the ticket revenue is being calculated correctly. If so, would appreciate explanation on how it comes to the following totals:

I am managing Montreal in 2005 in the League Daily Normal 1. My average per game attendance for 2005 was 37,618. I was charging -20% ticket price for the regular season. The ticket revenue per game was 3.81.

During the playoffs I raised ticket prices to normal. Attendance for the last game was 46,500. However, ticket revenue for the last game was a mere 3.25. Why the drop in ticket revenue when both attendance and ticket prices increased?

Thanks for you help...

ervinn
montreal extinct
league daily normal 1

A Manager For Every Team (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=12371)

[faulk28]

you don't get any revenue from playoff games...so therefore your revenue should be from the last home game in the regular season

[amunoz2001]

faulk28 is exactly right. Playoffs don't count towards revenue, but do count towards your attendance for that year.


-Ariel

[ervinn]

No revenue from playoff games? Playoff teams should get revenue from playoff games. Why does the game not award revenue for playoff games?

ervinn
montreal extinct
league daily normal 1

[Clay Dreslough]

Last year we did some research that showed that all playoff revenue was put into a common MLB pool, and programmed the game accordingly.

Since then we've some data indicating that some is pooled and some is given to the home team. We're still working on getting the numbers right for all forms of playoff revenue.

Clay

[faulk28]

being a Reds fan...when the Reds won the World Series in 1990 Marge Schott was upset because the Reds swept the A's...she lost some revenue...so I don't know how the $ are split up or anything but the teams do get something...

[Clay Dreslough]

OK. Here's the definitive scoop.

A few years back I read the following in the Dallas Business Journal:

"All playoff gate revenue goes to a central fund within the commissioner's office"

Thus, playoff revenue was removed from Baseball Mogul. Since then, thanks to research done by members of this board, it has been confirmed that playoff teams receive revenue for gate receipts AFTER THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF GAMES HAVE BEEN PLAYED.

For example, you get to keep money from games 5-7 in a 7 game series.

This new rule will be implemented in Patch Version 5.24 (and all later versions) and the next version of the Online Code.

[Clay Dreslough]

Here's the new help text I've written for version 5.2.4.0 and later:

TICKETS DIALOG

Ticket prices can affect the attendance at games. One of the challenges of Baseball Mogul is figuring out which combination of prices will give you maximum attendance at your stadium. This dialog lets you set your ticket price relative to the average ticket price. At the default value (+0%), 1 point of revenue will be generated for every 8,000 tickets sold. At the highest value (+100% or "double" ticket prices), 1 point of revenue will accrue for every 4,000 tickets sold.

During the regular season, the "gate" (ticket revenue) is split 85/15 in favor of the home team.

Things get more complicated during the playoffs. First, all playoff ticket prices are automatically doubled. Selling 8,000 tickets in the regular season generates 1 points; in the playoffs, the same level of sells generates 2 points. All ticket revenue for the minimum number of games in each series is given to the league (and will not show up on any team's balance sheet). For a five-game series, this means there is no revenue awarded for the first three games; for a seven-game series, the league grabs all ticket revenue for the first four games. The ticket sales from any additional playoff games are split 50/50 between the home and away team.

The average ticket price will often serve your team well. But if your team is on a hot streak and the ballpark is selling out a lot, you might consider raising prices to get a little more money. Conversely, if your stands are empty, you might be able to bring in more revenue by lowering prices and getting people out to see the games.

Don't forget that the more people you can bring to the ballpark through lower ticket prices, the higher your long-term fan loyalty will be!

[ervinn]

Selling 8,000 tickets in the regular season generates 1 points - Clay Dreslough

Clay, if 37,618 tickets are sold for a game does that mean that 4 points are generated for the clubs coffers? Or are 4.70225 points generated for the coffers. If the revenue is rounded to 4 then a lot of revenue was actually not accounted for, especially over the course of the season. Over 81 games, 56.88225 points would not have been accounted for if the revenue is rounded to 4.


During the regular season, the "gate" (ticket revenue) is split 85/15 in favor of the home team. - Clay Dreslough

Using the 85/15 split, an average of 3.9969125 points would have been generated for my Montreal Extinct in each of my home games last season. Is this number rounded to 3? If it is then I'm losing 80.749912 points due to rounding.

Clay, please clarify how the points generation system works for ticket revenue.

Cheers,

Ervin

ervinn
montreal extinct
league daily normal 1

[Clay Dreslough]

The game engine rounds to the nearest 1/200,000 of a point (.000005 points).

So 37,618 tickets will generate exactly 4.702250 points.

Clay

[mdobra]

And, just to be a colossal pain in the @$$, I'll point out that 1/200,000th of a point just so happens to be precisely one dollar.:D