Post count dropping?

[HoustonGM]

i'm just wondering, because my post coutn dropped like 90 posts over night. :p

[Wassit3]

it could be due to that problem they had a few nights ago where some posts where lost...

[Red Sox Fan 734]

My post counts the same but i did notice this. ChrisJNelson lost around 300 posts.

[Red Sox Fan 734]

Hey, my post count dropped by about 20 posts. Yesterday i was at 998 now im at 984

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Hey, my post count dropped by about 20 posts. Yesterday i was at 998 now im at 984

lol who cares ?? unless you are working for the NSA & are using BM forums to communi=cate with your undercover agent in North Korea...............:eek: :D :eek: :D









(I lost 150!) but as I said wtf!

[Red Sox Fan 734]

^Lol^

[robinhoodnik]

I got to do 6,000 TWICE! HA HA HA HA! :D

[robinhoodnik]

My post I can understand removing, Why Nuzzy's?

[cartman00000001]

maybe cleanup of old threads.

[robinhoodnik]

maybe cleanup of old threads.

Nope, freshly posted ones this time. The original #8 & #9 from this thread actually this time. Mine was understandable, the #8 from Nuzzy was a harmless statement aimed at no one ini particular, and not offensive to anyone.
Mods censoring all of the posts now?:confused:

[nuzzy62]

I was in a league that took a while to get off the ground. Someone else in the league posted questioned some irregularities and the the commish took an attitude to it. Someone else questioned what the commish did, and it was the same sort of scenario. I just posted that there were too many questions for this to be happening BEFORE the league even starts so I posted that I was leaving.

I went back later and the whole thread was removed as was another thread questioning the commish.

No skin off my teeth. I didn't have a lot of respect for the commish when I left and had less after he decided to get rid of the posts.

[ohms_law]

someone's deleting posts?
(don't look at me!)

[robinhoodnik]

Yes. It's getting to the point of not being worth posting anything outside of a league forum. The new and improved boards are not very attractive at all. They're becoming more and more like the corporate sites, and that's a very bad thing.

[boomboom]

Post counts are everything :D

[HoustonGM]

We know!

[FRENCHREDSOX]

someone's deleting posts?
(don't look at me!)

even your posts went down by 200 odd but thanks to the magical word - "merged" your numbers will be back to there rightful status (lol):D

[ohms_law]

lol
yea. If it's not actually a board problem though, someone is physically removing posts rather than just soft deleting them. That's just wrong, if it's someone actually doing it.

[boomboom]

Michealg has been deleting old threads, and for a while now...that really only effects some of the longer timers posters....

I have had about 2 thousand post deleted either from Mikey or Stieny. (stiney is about 3/4 of them) ;)

[ohms_law]

That's fine, and I certainly don't have a problem with deleting some of our bs spam posts. We shouldn't be physically removing threads, is all.

[robinhoodnik]

Post counts are everything :D

Not for me. When you come back to take up a conversation and the threads or posts are gone or moved, it's not going to help keep interest up in this forum. Especially if there's an impression that it's like all the rest of the forums out there to the new players.
I've seen quite a few posts exclaiming the virtues of these boards over the boards for other games. They all said something like "wow I can't believe how open these forums are, you can't say/do/ask that in ______ forum or you get banned/deleted/insulted".
Some should be removed like my reference to another player earlier in this thread, most don't though.

[boomboom]

Physically removing threads I don't think we should do that, cause it just means somebody is hiding something ;)

Lets just merge them all :D, then copy the thread :D :D :D 10 times! :D

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Not for me. When you come back to take up a conversation and the threads or posts are gone or moved, it's not going to help keep interest up in this forum. Especially if there's an impression that it's like all the rest of the forums out there to the new players.
I've seen quite a few posts exclaiming the virtues of these boards over the boards for other games. They all said something like "wow I can't believe how open these forums are, you can't say/do/ask that in ______ forum or you get banned/deleted/insulted".
Some should be removed like my reference to another player earlier in this thread, most don't though.

Well some did it ! COS your post "r_________k" diasppeared - re appeared & has once again disappeared .

Also you were at 6000+ posts 96 hours ago... & just caught yourself up...& as I said its not just you but quite a few poster boys...

[boomboom]

Dee said she deleted some old forums....

[robinhoodnik]

That's fine, I get deja vu without all the hassle of illicit drugs and alcohol, just stop with the unwarranted removal of new posts.

[ohms_law]

Yea, what robin said.
:)

Merging threads is fine by me, as well.

[boomboom]

Delete this one baby!

Click on the link in my sig!!!

[Wassit3]

lol who cares ?? unless you are working for the NSA & are using BM forums to communi=cate with your undercover agent in North Korea...............:eek: :D :eek: :D









(I lost 150!) but as I said wtf!

south america but still...lol

[FRENCHREDSOX]

That's fine, I get deja vu without all the hassle of illicit drugs and alcohol, just stop with the unwarranted removal of new posts.

Agreed funny that NO ONE has said who "deleted" the new posts...

[Clay Dreslough]

They're becoming more and more like the corporate sites, and that's a very bad thing.When I first read this I assumed you were joking until I kept reading the thread.

I can't remember the last time I deleted a thread, and we certainly haven't changed our attitude about posts. We delete spam and I sometimes clear out pissy arguments that don't say anything constructive (I guess I could just move them to Ejections, but I admit that if something doesn't seem worth reading, I don't know why it's worth MOVING).

:)

We did have to delete a LOT of old forums to fix the web site. We went down 7 times in one day the Saturday before last. It turns out that although there are many sites out there running vBulletin that have more POSTS than we do, there aren't any with anywhere near as many FORUMS. Giving each league it's own forum was causing vBulletin to hang so we had to clear out old league forums, and also some old forums like those for BB2K3, BB2K4, etc.

Anyway, sorry about the post counts. I posted a message when we were working on vBulletin so I thought word got out that old threads were getting pruned -- but it was only for technical reasons. Not trying to shut anyone up.

To the mods reading this, I agree with Ohms -- please 'soft' delete any offensive messages. And I'll do the same.

Clay

[HoustonGM]

I had heard about the old post pruning, but I figured that the post counts would drop the day of the pruning. Perhaps the process took a few days, which is why post counts changed just the other day rather than the day of the announcement

[ohms_law]

Yea, it's gotta be some sort of catching up process going on...
strange, but not completely out of character for an sql based system like vBulletin. Backup's obviously occur on Sundays, so the forum probably updates the post counts then as well. It makes sense too, because I couldn't find any recent posts that were gone, even in ejections.
*shrug*

[Clay Dreslough]

Two things:

1) It took more than a day to clean up the old posts and forums. It was pretty much spread throughout the week.

2) vBulletin doesn't update post counts immediately.

I was actually hoping it would never 'update' the post counts. After all, you guys all worked very hard on those numbers. :)

[robinhoodnik]

The only real complaints that I have are that some new posts are being canned that aren't offensive, some posts that don't need to be moved get moved anyhow, and that in some cases, banning seems to be turning into a game.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

and that in some cases, banning seems to be turning into a game.

Thats a fact !!

[ohms_law]

Oh, come on now. Banning isn't a game at all to me. I've actually banned... maybe 2 real people (non-spammers, and the like). I take that extremely seriously, thank you very much.

A for moving a couple of your posts from ejections to general discussions, I started keeping ejections for politics, flame wars, and spam only a long time ago. Maintaining some sort of standards like that helps the forum, it doesn't hurt it.

[robinhoodnik]

No one mentioned anyone in particular Ohms, what makes you think it's you in particular? It's a change over the last few months in overall moderator attitudes. There seems to me to be a tighter leash on a lot of things.
The moving posts thing though Ohms............. :D

[ohms_law]

I take that comment as aimed mostly at me because I am (generally) the primary guy for the main forums. Boom and Michael mostly take care of the BMO/league forums. I don't think either one of them has banned anyone off of the primary forums in months and months (I tend to get to them first), and they certainly haven't banned any normal users reacently. Call it hubris or whatever if you want, but based on the above any comments like you've made are basically aimed squarely at me.

I think that your perception may be colored slightly by the sub-forums that you particularly pay attention to, as well. In the Bug Reporting forums I do maintain a much tighter leash than in the past. Their special though, because their purpose is inherently technical in nature. I've been a member of technical boards (programming, electronics professional boards) for a long time, and their always much more useful when things are reigned in. There's simply too much important information that needs to be clear, so reducing the signal to noise ratio in those forums is vital to their functioning. As a matter of fact I reign myself in on purpose here, even on the bug reporting forums, since this is a more open and accepting forum.

I try hard not to carry over my technical forum attitudes anywhere other than the bug reporting forums. sometimes I probably do go overboard, in the suggestions forums especially. I try not to, but I can't help it occasionally. I think that I've left the General Discussions forums run rampant pretty well, though. I very rarely touch anything there, unless it's something very obvious. I've been driving most of the "chatter" to those forums over the last several months, and I think that it's been working. The message has pretty much gotten through.

As for Ejections/General Discussions, I posted a thread in Ejections several months ago talking about those forums identities. Before, in my opinion, both forums were suffering from a bit of an identity crises because the way people were posting things, either forum could almost take the place of the other. The problem with it that I saw was that, in order to read things that some people wanted to read, they had to wade through much of the material that they may want to avoid. Politics and spam in General Discussions, and baseball, and general (unquestionable) chatter in Ejections. The impression that I had was that it was really driving some people away. A couple of people did object to a change when I proposed it (you included, I think), but people don't like change in general, and I felt that those for whom the change would help the most probably weren't participants since I posted the thread in Ejections. In the end, I just did it because I felt strongly that it was for the good of the community. I think that It's worked out as well, since there seems to me to be an increase in traffic in General Discussions.

Regardless, I've been keeping an eye out for objections. I don't consider my opinion to be the end all, be all, by any means. I welcome constructive criticism with open arms, since this is a community. If there is real strong feelings about something, let me know and I can change my behavior.

[TacoBoy]

Ohm's It's comments like this that makes it seem like you make a game out of banning people


QUOTE=ohms_law;707369]
Guys, please don't make me start smacking people around over this.

There have been other times as well where you seem to like to rub it in peoples faces. Like your on this big power trip or something. Not to say people don't deserve to get banned but I just think there's a better way to go about it. Just my two cents.

[ohms_law]

OK, I can understand that.

[robinhoodnik]

I really have no idea who's doing what as far as moderators go. So no, it's not aimed squarely at you Ohms. I know of one banning by you. 2 in your short mod time seems excessive considering the rarity of bans previous to you, but I'm not privvy to any of that stuff. I don't know all the details of those aside from some cryptic references and offhand comments. The last reason was pretty weak, asking for a video tutorial? banned?

[ohms_law]

I know that you didn't mean to aim it at me, I was just explaining why it is despite that.

Really, the one banning that your referring to is the only regular poster that I've outright banned to date. The other guy is MGsports. The only thing that I'm going to say publicly about Dave the Man is that it had nothing to do with him posting a thread about video tutorials. Like I said already elsewhere, that post just happened to be convenient. As for the actual reason that he was banned, I'm not going to go into details but it comes don to there being a strong suspicion that he's actually mgsports. I'm starting to wonder about that again, but...
*shrug*
Time will tell, and that's as much of it that I'm willing to talk about it.

[boomboom]

I really have no idea who's doing what as far as moderators go. So no, it's not aimed squarely at you Ohms. I know of one banning by you. 2 in your short mod time seems excessive considering the rarity of bans previous to you, but I'm not privvy to any of that stuff. I don't know all the details of those aside from some cryptic references and offhand comments. The last reason was pretty weak, asking for a video tutorial? banned?

There is more information that came to light. Dave the Man is the only person to be banned besides MGSports. In fact he may actually be mgsports. After looking at IP addresses they share too many characteristics. His posting has turned into an annoyance on the boards.

I don't recall the last person I have banned besides some spammers. I think it was actually Metdenn...(lol for anybody to remember that one).

[robinhoodnik]

I was wondering what happened to Metdenn. Didn't know he was out either. The one that I remember, and having experienced his s#!t myself, was Permamogul. Now there was a player that deserved booting, no seriously, with a new pair of Timberlands kind of booting.

[disposablehero]

wanna see the number of posts lost?

http://www.big-boards.com/board/1888/

[ohms_law]

neat. Almost 9000 posts gone. lol

[TacoBoy]

It's alot more than that. Since that is the total for the week, you would have to add the amount of posts made as well.
Example there was 3,000 posts made last week, 12,000 posts deleted = -9,000 posts made......

[ohms_law]

Ah yea, true. That really was a lot of posts.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

It's alot more than that. Since that is the total for the week, you would have to add the amount of posts made as well.
Example there was 3,000 posts made last week, 12,000 posts deleted = -9,000 posts made......

Good point Taco - & it dropped quickly & gradually cos there was "several" cleans - that poor North Korean agent will be missing his last update from RedSoxFAN...