Surprise ratings drop?

[derekmor]

I had a pitcher who was 92/96 in his second full year in the majors, and had a 3.52 and 2.42 ERA as a full-time starter (24 and 28 starts). After spring training the following year, he's now a 73, and his movement and pitch ratings have tanked. I'm not sure this is a bug (anybody remember Mark Fidrych?), but after a second full-time year, shouldn't this be extremely rare? It seems to happen a lot.

[Surefire]

I had a pitcher who was 92/96 in his second full year in the majors, and had a 3.52 and 2.42 ERA as a full-time starter (24 and 28 starts). After spring training the following year, he's now a 73, and his movement and pitch ratings have tanked. I'm not sure this is a bug (anybody remember Mark Fidrych?), but after a second full-time year, shouldn't this be extremely rare? It seems to happen a lot.

It happens all the time to me... and I have my Draft predictability AND hall of fame slider set at +100%.

That alone indicates a bug to me--that I can't turn this #$*(#@* random ratings drop "feature" off!

[HoustonGM]

As I said in Surefire's other thread, I play with Draft Predictabiltiy -20% and Hall of Fame Careers +40%, and I rarely see this as i used to when uit was on the default settings.

[ohms_law]

It does happen all the time in real life. There's nothing to say that the rate that it occurs at shouldn't be looked into at least, though.

[Surefire]

Just in case there are other settings I am overlooking, I took a screenshot of what I have set...

[ohms_law]

This has nothing to do with settings. It's the player model, which is generally very realistic. As I said above, the rate might currently be too high for pitcher burn out (or whatever you want to call it), but the fact that it occurs is a good thing because it happens in real life.

[Surefire]

This has nothing to do with settings. It's the player model, which is generally very realistic. As I said above, the rate might currently be too high for pitcher burn out (or whatever you want to call it), but the fact that it occurs is a good thing because it happens in real life.

I think checking the rate is a good first step.

I would also hope that in future releases there will be a button to turn this feature off, so the users have a choice.

If the rate was set that this only occasionally happens, I'd love it.

However, its happening to me yearly and affects multiple pitchers per year... therefore a button to turn it off would be a nice addition. Those who like it would be able to keep it on, those who don't could turn it off.

[ohms_law]

"turning the feature off" simply wouldn't be realistic. You could always play a console game, if that's the sort of game that you want...

[HoustonGM]

I used to see this all the time, and all it took for me was raising Hall of Fame Careers a bit.

*shrug*

[dolfanar]

Agred. I have rarely EVER seen this. I also play with Simulation mode on. Maybe that has something to do with it?

I also suspect that Medical Spending can have an effect. I've noticed that for players past their prime, if they go to teams with low rated medical they seem to fall apart faster.

Can you post a screenshot of one of these burnouts player cards? Also look up their Career Peak Start, Career Peak end, longevity and potential. Also their transaction screen or just list any major injuries. That would help figure out if something else is going on here. Some specific examples (more than one).

[jcbarr]

Simulation mode should take this problem away. That makes every player develop at the same rate as every other player. So if two guys start at 72/90 at age 23, when they hit age 27 they should look exactly the same.

At least that was my understanding of the Simulation mode for game play.

[HoustonGM]

I'm fairly certain Clay mentioned a while abck that Simulation Mode was essentially "broken" now. And it was always my understanding that all it did was set everybody's peak start/end to the same numbers. Players could still develop differently.

And just to make it known, I don't play with Simulation Mode, and still rarely see this. Like I said, I used to, until I adusted my settings.

[jcbarr]

I see it from time to time, but it doesn't bother me that much. I like the added wrinkle that it adds to the game. Every now and then I will see one of my younger pitchers or hitters take a rating drop. Most of the time though they can come back from it in a season or two.

I don't see that big of an issue. I have never had a guy who was an all star or MVP for the last 5-6 years suddenly just fall off the map. Maybe it happens, but it has yet to happen to me.

[tjmats]

It does seem to happen quite often (even when I have changed the HoF %'s), but it is something that happens a lot in RL, too. (Can you say Kerry Wood or Mark Prior...) Makes for a more challenging game, which is a good thing.

[jcbarr]

I changed my HOF careers to +20 and it happens, but it seems to be less drastic than what I have seen most people post about on these boards.

[JustinB0716]

I like it the way it is now as well. It doesn't happen to me near as much as some people, it seems, but it's a very realistic scenario where this sort of thing could happen. I've had a player's rankings totally tank for three entire seasons until he rebounded again to his original projections.