GD > Gd to Ejections?

[ohms_law]

The split between the General Discussions > General Discussions forum and General Discussions > Ejections, what belongs in what forum, comes up occasionally. I don't think that anyone is really sure what constitutes a "general Discussions" thread vs. what is an "Ejections" thread, aside from a few clear cut cases (me included). So, after Rongar asked about a thread just now, it got me thinking about it again...

What about just moving everything in GD > GD to Ejections? (and getting rid of General Discussions)

Doing so would remove the primary "problem" outlined above.
Doing so should lower new user's confusion as well. There have been several instances of folks posting Baseball Mogul specific questions to GD > GD rather than Baseball Mogul > General Discussions. Taking care of the thread is easy enough, but I always feel the need to take the time to send a PM to the users as well since their generally new folks. It takes up a bit of extra time.
Doing so would allow us to concentrate our discussion on one General Discussions forum, which usually facilitates better communication (more posts! ;)).


The negatives:

It puts everyone in the same forum with the political posts, which can be rather inflammatory at times.
It also puts everyone in the same forum with all the post padding threads, which can cause some good threads to become lost in the shuffle.


The other alternative is to keep things as they are, but come to some sort of consensus on what goes where. Currently, it's pretty much:
Sports related (but not Sports Mogul related) = General Discussions.
Pretty much everything else = Ejections.
It could go the other way as well, so that the only threads in Ejections are post padding and political threads. I don't mind doing the work of moving things, but the majority should prefer whatever setup is decided on and it should be consistent is all.

[TacoBoy]

Does it really mater that much?? I mean will world come to an end???? Seriously I don't think it matters...

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Does it really mater that much?? I mean will world come to an end???? Seriously I don't think it matters...

lol I agree ... leave it as it is & if a mod "sees" that it should be in the other thread then he moves it but leaving a trail .... (link maybe ??)

[robinhoodnik]

It's still fine Ohms. It aint broke so don't fix it. We had this same discussion months ago, what's changed now?

[ohms_law]

New people and both increased and decreased interest in both forums.

The main problem from my perspective is the total noobs who mistakingly post Baseball Mogul specific stuff in General Discussions (or vice versa, posting OT topics in the BM forums). At the very least, I wish that the forum's name could be changed to "Off Topic" or something similar, but that would require administrative rights. Regardless, there's some folks who come here and have real trouble figuring out that all of the Baseball Mogul stuff goes in the Baseball Mogul section. The same thing happens in the Baseball Mogul Online forums as well, and I've received some rather vociferous complaints about that. You guys don't see it that much (or don't care?) since I take care of most of the problems, but it can get rather involved and time consuming...

Anyway, I know how you three feel and I take that into consideration. I don't expect to change your opinions at all. On the other had, all three of you have been around a while and will be able to adjust easily to any change like this. The newer user's are what I'm most concerned about. There's no need for us to be insular and intransigent, change isn't always a bad thing. Anything that makes it easier for new people to post in the correct areas and either get their questions answered easily or join in the discussion is a good thing.

[robinhoodnik]

Then move the BM forums up a notch and put the General between it and BMO. I don't recall there being any problem in the past, but since it sounds like you're going to do it anyway.... The General forums always fluctuate in interest. They get slow until something newsworthy happens, then they pick up. Nothing huge has happened lately so not much new material. Plus King and Willy have been on Hiatus.

[ohms_law]

Putting the General Discussions section in between the BM and BMO sections is a good idea. I like it. However, that would again require Clay, Dee, or Ian to take care of the problem (and honestly, I'm not even sure that it's feasible without creating totally new forums). Doing it the way that I'm proposing above only requires Clay to do one thing himself (deleting the GD > GD forum itself) after I do the "heavy lifting" of actually moving the posts.

Anyway, I'm not planning on "just doing it anyway". I was just hoping for some other opinions is all. You, FRS, and TacoBoy seem to be the only people who have been outspoken about it so far (including in the older thread, from what I can remember). I'm just not sure how to interpret the apparent indifference from everyone else...

[Reade]

I'm a new user here, but have been active on golf forums for several years. So to me it was pretty easy to figure out what went where, but in my opinion the ejections needs to be changed to off topic.

The one thing I wouldn't do is combined them.

[DontTreadOnMe]

Change the name to General Sports Discussion

Then it would be clearer and everything else goes under ejections/off topic???

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Putting the General Discussions section in between the BM and BMO sections is a good idea. I like it. However, that would again require Clay, Dee, or Ian to take care of the problem (and honestly, I'm not even sure that it's feasible without creating totally new forums). Doing it the way that I'm proposing above only requires Clay to do one thing himself (deleting the GD > GD forum itself) after I do the "heavy lifting" of actually moving the posts.

Anyway, I'm not planning on "just doing it anyway". I was just hoping for some other opinions is all. You, FRS, and TacoBoy seem to be the only people who have been outspoken about it so far (including in the older thread, from what I can remember). I'm just not sure how to interpret the apparent indifference from everyone else...

Dont really care JUST said that more importantly IT is the trail left by a post/poster ----- MOST posts in GD/Ejections are that "just posts" & dont affect Clay & his bug work.



WHAT I would LIKE you to do however (if Possible) is create 2 Clay threads - one in BM & one in BMO which would help both communitites to locate his posts concerning both products.

Some of his relevant posts, like new add ons,he posts in the specific thread & most forum users only realize X or Y has been added way later ....but GD/etc well...it has been OK for now but you are the "forum moderator" ...

(Great example is the Hitting Streaks - which you didnt know about either - b being added...also it would save a "load" of hassle clicking on his name then hoping "to find" the relevant thread etc etc)

[ohms_law]

I'm a new user here, but have been active on golf forums for several years. So to me it was pretty easy to figure out what went where, but in my opinion the ejections needs to be changed to off topic.

The one thing I wouldn't do is combined them.


Change the name to General Sports Discussion

Then it would be clearer and everything else goes under ejections/off topic???
That really would be ideal (I'd much prefer DontTreadOnMe's idea). Now, if I could just get Dee (or Clay or Ian) to do it...


WHAT I would LIKE you to do however (if Possible) is create 2 Clay threads - one in BM & one in BMO which would help both communitites to locate his posts concerning both products.
I was actually working on something like that on the wiki. No one seems to care for it though...

[nuzzy62]

Then move the BM forums up a notch and put the General between it and BMO. I don't recall there being any problem in the past, but since it sounds like you're going to do it anyway.... The General forums always fluctuate in interest. They get slow until something newsworthy happens, then they pick up. Nothing huge has happened lately so not much new material. Plus King and Willy have been on Hiatus.


That's a good idea, then the 'junk forums' would be in a less prominent place

[boomboom]

Does it really mater that much?? I mean will world come to an end???? Seriously I don't think it matters...

I agree... There is no need to move post around and such. I get lost in these forums sometimes... ;)

[boomboom]

Putting the General Discussions section in between the BM and BMO sections is a good idea. I like it.

We actually asked for it to be moved to the top. Because there was no activity going on in those forums before. Also it builds a sense of community with having it at the top...why some people always come back to the forum

[Rongar]

Putting the General Discussions section in between the BM and BMO sections is a good idea. I like it. However, that would again require Clay, Dee, or Ian to take care of the problem (and honestly, I'm not even sure that it's feasible without creating totally new forums). Doing it the way that I'm proposing above only requires Clay to do one thing himself (deleting the GD > GD forum itself) after I do the "heavy lifting" of actually moving the posts.

Anyway, I'm not planning on "just doing it anyway". I was just hoping for some other opinions is all. You, FRS, and TacoBoy seem to be the only people who have been outspoken about it so far (including in the older thread, from what I can remember). I'm just not sure how to interpret the apparent indifference from everyone else...

Ohms, that "apparent indifference" might just be general satisfaction with the way things are...people only holler when they're hurt.

Whether or not our silence is due to apathy or approval, I say do plan on "doing it anyway" the way it suits you, rather than try to accommodate - our 101 points of view - you're going to be howled at, whatever you do, so you might as well please yourself...I'm arrogant enough to believe that "who does the 'heavy lifting' gets to grunt." (Chaucer)

As for my own (101st) point of view, I find no confusion between "General Discussion" which I take to be about real baseball, as distinct from BM e.g. "Sheffield on minorities"; "Andruw Jones Overeating?"; etc and the trivia in "Ejections" (unfortunate name tho, makes us sound like a bunch of masturbators) containing name games; smiley threads; Soprano stuff; and
politics

[jdiggin]

New people and both increased and decreased interest in both forums.

The main problem from my perspective is the total noobs who mistakingly post Baseball Mogul specific stuff in General Discussions (or vice versa, posting OT topics in the BM forums). At the very least, I wish that the forum's name could be changed to "Off Topic" or something similar, but that would require administrative rights. Regardless, there's some folks who come here and have real trouble figuring out that all of the Baseball Mogul stuff goes in the Baseball Mogul section. The same thing happens in the Baseball Mogul Online forums as well, and I've received some rather vociferous complaints about that. You guys don't see it that much (or don't care?) since I take care of most of the problems, but it can get rather involved and time consuming...

Anyway, I know how you three feel and I take that into consideration. I don't expect to change your opinions at all. On the other had, all three of you have been around a while and will be able to adjust easily to any change like this. The newer user's are what I'm most concerned about. There's no need for us to be insular and intransigent, change isn't always a bad thing. Anything that makes it easier for new people to post in the correct areas and either get their questions answered easily or join in the discussion is a good thing.


I dont know that I care much either way, but as you said we can maneuver our ways through the forums with ease.....I agree with you, that better (more proper) labeling of the forums is in order and I think that would eliminate much of this debate.

[ohms_law]

Well, that's some good feedback. The consensus that I see is that the names really ought to be changed... which is what I wanted all along. Now it's just a matter of getting Clay, Ian, or Dee to actually do it.

Actually, I'm going to write Dee an email and ask her specifically to change the names when she has a chance. It's not like there's a rush or anything, but hopefully she can get around to it sometime in the next month or so.
:)

[Rongar]

Well, that's some good feedback. The consensus that I see is that the names really ought to be changed... which is what I wanted all along. Now it's just a matter of getting Clay, Ian, or Dee to actually do it.

Actually, I'm going to write Dee an email and ask her specifically to change the names when she has a chance. It's not like there's a rush or anything, but hopefully she can get around to it sometime in the next month or so.
:)

Good on yer, Mate!

[ohms_law]

FYI:

I renamed General Discussion to Sports Talk.

And put FB between BB and BMO.

This used to be a real hassle, but now that we pruned a lot of old vB forums (mostly for dead leagues), it's a lot easier.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Clay

Thanks Clay!
:)