Anyone ever have a player break an "unbreakable" record?

[nymets55]

I haven't seen any of the UNBREAKABLES get broken in any of my games, but in my current Mets franchise, with shuffled rosters, Jose Reyes is at 28 years old, going into 2012, with 565 career steals. He's averaged 81.8 SBs for the past 5 seasons, and hasn't suffered any injuries. I think if he can keep this up for a while longer, he MIGHT have a shot at Henderson's 1406, but then again, he needs close to 900 more steals...

[jcbarr]

Yeah, I have broken both the HR and Wins record. I don't know about the hits record, but something tells me that one is going to be very hard to do.

[kellys11]

You saw the wins record fall??? That would be one of the hardest that I see . . . well maybe triples.

[boomboom]

you would have to cheat to have the wins record broken. YOu would need to pitch for 30 years, and have all injuries taken out....

[jcbarr]

Nope, just check my post in the dynasties called "Can He Beat Cy Young". There is proof that Bob Feller broke it. The post includes the settings that I used in the league as well.

[Jam391]

with the right offense, a mediocre pitcher can win 300. My example, Mark Langston with a 4.29 career era and his best era in a season was 3.40 his rookie year

[jcbarr]

In mogul if you can get a guy to play for 20 years he is going to win 300 games more often than not. It's just so easy to build your farm system and if you only sign one free agent every year, you end up with a stacked offensive lineup, especially if you aren't paying for any pitching :)

[Jam391]

he pitched 16 seasons going 303-164 (.649). but id like to see someone break nolan ryans K record.

[jcbarr]

I'm taking suggestions now, and plan on doing a whole series of these things. Once I get done with Cy Young I was going to move on to Hank Aaron, Pete Rose, and possibly even Nolan Ryan.

If you want to, come up with some suggestions and be looking for a post in the dynasties section.

I already had someone beat Nolan's record too though...same guy who broke Cy Young's record. He beat it by over 500 Ks.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=788641&postcount=27

[Gaedel]

I started a dynasty in 1950. Robin Roberts broke Cy Young's record.

It is now March 1981.

Pitchers in HOF:

Bob Feller
Hal Newhauser
Warren Spahn
Don Newcombe
Billy Pierce
Curt Simmons
Bob Friend
Juan Marichal
Bill Monbouquette
Camilio Pascual
Fergie Jenkins

What happens in BBM, is that Newcombe doesn't become an alcoholic and Roberts, Simmons, and Friend get released young and go to big market (and successful) teams where their durability racks up a lot of wins.

[Gaedel]

Home Runs 1950-1981

[BINGLEBOP]

You saw the wins record fall??? That would be one of the hardest that I see . . . well maybe triples.



ONE USER RECENTLY CLAIMED THAT HE HAD MULTIPLE PITCHERS BREAK THE WINS RECORD, BUT UNLESS HE SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED THE RATINGS, IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAD ELITE HITTERS FILLING HIS ROSTER AS WELL. MOST LIKELY THERE WAS CHEATING INVOLVED.

[ohms_law]

eh... it's pretty easy to take advantage of the AI and assemble an unbeatable team if you know how to do it.

[BINGLEBOP]

I Think So Too, But I Like To Build A "dynasty" Without Editing Any Of The Ratings (from Health To Per Capita Ratings) And I Stay Within The Budget As Well. If You Completely Disregard Those Things And Do Rating Edits Galore, Then Of Course You Will Be Able To Break The "unbreakable" Records, But I Like To Actually Have Fun, So I Guess I'm Stuck Doing It The Real Way.

[OhCrap]

I've had 1 pitcher with 590 wins and several that have more than 400. I have not cheated at all. The only modification I have is -30% injury frequency. That's supposed to be an accurate reflection of injury occurences. My win guy also has about 6k strikeouts. My roommate has a guy that has more than 7,000 strikeouts but didn't come close to Cy Young's win record. It's fairly easy to do if you have an offense that provides good run support. Majority of my people are home-grown minor leaguers drafted by yours truly. I've simmed about 700 years so far using the detroit tigers back when Honus Wagner was playing. This is with 2007 version by the way.

[JayC]

I've had 1 pitcher with 590 wins and several that have more than 400. I have not cheated at all. The only modification I have is -30% injury frequency. That's supposed to be an accurate reflection of injury occurences.
Well... that's one respected person's opinion of what would be an accurate reflection. Others, including Clay and Ian obviously, are of the opinion that the default is the most accurate reflection. Changing that value so significantly will absolutely have a big effect on career records.

[jcbarr]

Yeah, change the hall of fame career setting to +10 and see how many guys just on your team will play at a high level until they are 38-40. I did that in one sim that I was doing and my team was nasty and I don't think I had one guy in the lineup that was under 35.

[jcbarr]

Fisk almost hit 800 and Boog Powell hit 768 for me.

But this is what happens when you turn up hall of fame careers to +10

[ohms_law]

Yup.

Actually, even at the default level the HOF careers and draft talent are probably slightly high (in Mogul 2008).

As I mentioned in a different thread, the injury rates and severity are basically correct at the default levels. The problem isn't the occurrence of, or the duration of, injuries. The only real problem with injuries is that their 100% disabling while the injury is in effect.

[Gaedel]

The secret is to hog all of the good pitching prospects. Your pitchers get a lot of wins and your position players fatten on the 72-79 pithcers the opponents have.

Be stingy for a bit on payroll. Get enough of a cushion to build a monster stadium (95,000). Set your ticket prices below the league. Invest big in expenses (especially scouting).

If you have a big star in the last year of a contract, trade his *** for every 90--plus peak prospect the AI team has.

If a guy wants big, big bucks, let him go to free agency and clog up another team's payroll.

In the off-season, I try to trade for every pitcher with a 90-plus peak age 24 and under with an injury rating of at least 75 on the "find players" list.

I try to never have a pitcher 26 or older in the minors.


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[ohms_law]

Yup, that's basically the trick. Well, that and knowing how to construct a trade deal that the AI will always accept. This stuff falls basically under the category of "spoilers" though, so I'm a bit hesitant to spell things out exactly...

[DTF955]

Just popped in to see how things were - I actually had the most wins with Seaver getting 570 wins with 2K6, which I posted in the retirement thread where I hung 'em up, also in the thread he mentions about catching Cy Young.

Also had the hits record broken by Don mattingly, but his career had already started (1986 is when I started) - Rod Crew for my team once. (Brooklyn Athletics - same place Seaver won 570.) I'm amazred that someone did it with Feller, though, because as I said over there, that's something I'd think only possible with a large market team where I can spend more.

Hank Aaron got the most hits once, too. Again, though, I took him over in mid-career. He and Willie Mays have broken the home run mark. (But, if you *really* want to make it unbreakable, try to top Sadaharu Oh's HR mark. Because I've seen a number of guys in the 750-800 range. Oh hit 868.)

[OhCrap]

My injuries were occuring at a rate of about 50-60 incidents per season. that is absurd to think that that is normal for a single ball club. Hence, the -30% setting is what I was advised to use by a respected member of this board. If that's what you'd call cheating, that's fine by me. The game is fun for me, that's all that matters.

I basically hog all the good pictures, I buy them from the draft. I've never initiated or responded to a trade. I rarely sign free agents. I have all settings on default except for the injury setting. Also, all players I buy or draft always have a health rating of 80 or higher. My all-time strikeout leader has 6,070 strikeouts, my all-time home run king has 1,032 homers, my all-time hits king has 5,400+. To "force" the player to continue to play, I pay him 35+ million per year. I've retired players at very old ages for a ball player. I don't think it's a matter of what settings I have at this point. I've simmed 700+ years on the same team in the same game. Surely I'd come across a statistical anomaly at this point after sifting through tens of thousands of players. A good player with a good health rating making boatloads of money will stick around long enough to put out some crazy cumulative stats.

[Gaedel]

A good player with a good health rating making boatloads of money will stick around long enough to put out some crazy cumulative stats.


Yes, if you want to look at it, add the career stats of Barney McCosky, Dale Mitchell, and Billy Goodman together and you get Pete Rose's career stats. Getting to high numbers just takes years of playing.

[Gaedel]

Another trick with a high paid guy you aren't going to sign is to negotiate wih him in "bad faith" until he gets angry and raises his price to astronomical levels, then let him go. Often he will carry that price into free agency and some team will be dumb enough to pay it and your competitor will be hamstrung by his salary..

[BINGLEBOP]

Well... that's one respected person's opinion of what would be an accurate reflection. Others, including Clay and Ian obviously, are of the opinion that the default is the most accurate reflection. Changing that value so significantly will absolutely have a big effect on career records.



THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK IF A -30% INJURY FREQUENCY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST ACCURATE REFLECTION THAT IT WOULD GET CHANGED TO REFLECT THAT.

[OhCrap]

Ok, whatever. Got better things to do than to discuss that.

[SF_Giants]

had a pitching in my boston dynasty get 443 wins 2980 strikeouts and finished 2nd on the wins list. Sad thing was he was only 37-38(IIRC) when he became basically worthless at the MLB level.

Not unbreakable but had Papelbon put up almost 1000 saves, unfortunately, he retired around 43ish while he still had some pretty decent stuff left in him.

[OhCrap]

What makes it really challenging is when you have played the game for awhile and have an established team, especially for those who use the auto-sort feature. Pitchers are as common as dirt, and for every pitcher than ages to below 90 overall rating, there's 5 pitchers waiting to fill that spot. It's a little irritating because it makes me have to pay attention to where they are in the rotation, because it actually affects the performance of the player.

[jcbarr]

Yeah, pitchers are a dime a dozen in this game. You could really put a different rotation out there every single year and barely change your teams actual win total. I make an effort to keep guys around though, its a loyalty thing :)

[OhCrap]

Yeah same here. I still haven't figured out why some pitchers have worse win/loss record than other pitchers on my staff. Is it because the fielders don't like him? Am I giving too much credit to the AI of this game?

[Gooden4Presiden]

PLEASE READ I KNOW ITS LONG -hi sorry i have to say this first, my name is matt im a recovering alcoholic addict, im 19 ex pitching prodigy gone terribly wrong, my nickname was white dwight, im straightening out my life now i have 39 days clean and counting but its just 1 dday at a time, i dropped all my "Friends" who didnt like baseball anyway, i have no to talk baseball with im extremely educated in all eras of baseball for a 19 year old, my aim is x1hyland1x or *removed* ur all probably going to make fun of me but whatever i just need clean friends, and people who love baseball to talk to, im a huge mets fan.im not sure howmany people read these but it seems like alot so im going to put that top part in alot of threads to try to meet fellow baseball lovers and maybe make a friend...wow i sound gay, but anyway to the topic i started with the miserable mets expansion of 1962 on mogul no changes to any settings no commisionor mode, i sim, and im on mogul difficulty
i never broke any records but in 1963 hank aaron of milwaukee hit 65hrs and drove in 197 i thought that was funny,
i retired in 1978
with 5 w.s. 67,69,73,75,76
3 nl championships, 66,68,77
my final mogul rating was 78.6 i finished behind mr stengel. did i do good
??? i retired because i wanted to start in 1901 and go through the entire history of baseball and see what happens it oughta be fun

[ohms_law]

PLEASE READ I KNOW ITS LONG -hi sorry i have to say this first, my name is matt im a recovering alcoholic addict, im 19 ex pitching prodigy gone terribly wrong, my nickname was white dwight, im straightening out my life now i have 39 days clean and counting but its just 1 dday at a time, i dropped all my "Friends" who didnt like baseball anyway, i have no to talk baseball with im extremely educated in all eras of baseball for a 19 year old, my aim is x1hyland1x or *removed* ur all probably going to make fun of me but whatever i just need clean friends, and people who love baseball to talk to, im a huge mets fan.im not sure howmany people read these but it seems like alot so im going to put that top part in alot of threads to try to meet fellow baseball lovers and maybe make a friend...wow i sound gay, but anyway to the topic i started with the miserable mets expansion of 1962 on mogul no changes to any settings no commisionor mode, i sim, and im on mogul difficulty
i never broke any records but in 1963 hank aaron of milwaukee hit 65hrs and drove in 197 i thought that was funny,
i retired in 1978
with 5 w.s. 67,69,73,75,76
3 nl championships, 66,68,77
my final mogul rating was 78.6 i finished behind mr stengel. did i do good
??? i retired because i wanted to start in 1901 and go through the entire history of baseball and see what happens it oughta be fun

Welcome to the Mogul community!
:)

One note, I've removed your phone number from the post above. I understand where your coming from, but it's a really bad idea to post your phone number.

Anyway, for one of your first dynasties, I'd say that you did a good job. You should have fun playing though starting in 1901. That's what I've been doing myself reacently, and it's a blast! One idea for you is to use one of the teams that doesn't move. Chicago (either one), Detroit, the Phillies, etc... It's just easier to manage if you don't have to deal with a team move.

Have fun though, and let us know how it goes!

[Gooden4Presiden]

well i once had a clean and sober darryl Strawberry play from 83-04 hit 767 HRs and 4201 hits which is second all time. its hard to believe especially since i dont have a screen shot i have no clue how to do that and i dont have a digital camera, but whatever it happened and im telling you lol

[Gooden4Presiden]

thanks ohms law, lol i didnt even think about the number
yea that mets 62 78 was real good,
but it only started to get good in 65
i did most of my work via the draft, well once i got some talent together in around 64 i started trading my mid 20 something farmhands with 80 ratings for other teams draft picks any way
Steve Carlton, Nolan Ryan, Ron Guidry, Blue Moon Odom, and Jerry Koosman were Huge Busts so was Denny McClain however like real life i did get one good campaign out of him lol
my mainstays were of course Tom Terrific, 278 wins for me, he was still playing when i retired he won 6 cy youngs and had 2 28 win seasons including one were he went 28-3, his career ERA was 3.02 but thats because his first couple of years were a rollercoaster ride, after 66 he never post a win % below 675 or and ERA above 2.80, Vida Blue, Jerry Koosman, but he only gave me 2 above average years 1 average then he was horrific, in 78, El presidente Dennis Martinez was quickly rising up the ranks and went 13-0 in his 19 starts in the majors, Jack Morris was on the back end of my 78 staff anchored by Seaver, and Vida Blue i never finished i retired 3/4 through idk why.
My hitters of note...i wont get into detail i no i write to much
Reggie Smith...LMAO 400 plus HRs
Joe Torre...i got him in his twilight years while waiting for thurman munson
Charlie Hustle...idk y i love that guy lol consitent .310 plus hitter i
Cleon Jones...rarely healthy but still managed 488 HRs and .322 Avg
The Kid...Munson never maid it though i had to get Gary Carter in the line-up
Steve Garvey was a great utility player for me
Ed Kranepool...312 Hrs .309 avg
i also ended up wasting Reggie Jacksons talents he sat on my bench from age 22-31 he got ample playing time when Jones was injured but could never keep his average up past .220 he did hit the big fly though

[JayC]

I still haven't figured out why some pitchers have worse win/loss record than other pitchers on my staff. Is it because the fielders don't like him?
That's baseball. Win/loss isn't really valuable in evaluating pitcher performance.

But the defensive makeup of your team can have an affect on your pitchers' success. Right now in my rotation I have two good sinkerball pitchers, who of course generate a lot of ground balls. I'm pretty much platooning at shortstop and second in order to have a couple of good defensive players at those positions for those pitchers, even though those two guys aren't my strongest offensive choices. Then when my pitchers who are more likely to see fly balls come up, those infielders generally start on the bench... and my limited-range left fielder (who's a great power hitter) moves to DH so I can rotate a stronger guy out there.

[HoustonGM]

Win/loss records of pitchers are more a function of the team's defense behind him and even more of a function of the run support he receives, and are also affected by the performance of his bullpen.

[OhCrap]

I have a 5 man rotation. I can have four pitchers with an average of say, 23 wins and 7 losses. Then I'll have the ugly duckling with then 17-12 record. What's up with that?

[Jam391]

A record that doesn't have to do with lineup ability. I was listening on the radio, Nolan Ryan's no-hit record. They said unbreakable, I believe that too. Could and has, anyone broken it?

[OhCrap]

I have the 2007 version, and there is no way to measure that record unless you kept a mental check whenever you came across it in the history tab when viewing the player. Does the 2008 version measure that record?

[HoustonGM]

No, the record isn't measured, but it shouldn't be a hard thing to notice if you check your Transaction page every once in a while.

[Jam391]

Right I knew it wasn't measured but with the player your trying with you can keep track.

[Atariboy]

Ripken's consecutive game streak could never be broken in BM, and it would be quite a pain to research how close any of your players got.

[bjohn13]

I think the most astounding record I ever broke was actually in an STB'03 replay of the Brooklyn Dodgers through the '40's through the '50's. I think it was the 1950 season when I had Gil Hodges bust out 17 RBI in a 9 inning game. Six hits in seven at bats. 3 3-run home runs, 2 3-run doubles, an RBI infield single, and a fielder's choice RBI. In seven at bats, Hodges had a grand total of 18 players aboard. He broke a record set by himself earlier that year when he busted out 13 (don't remember the specifics of that one).

[BINGLEBOP]

If You Lower Your Injury Frequency/severity And Raise The Hall Of Fame Settings (as Well As Other Settings), You Too Can Break The "unbreakable" Records.

[OhCrap]

I've never edited the Hall of Fame setting. The injury setting is all I've done, and it doesn't even matter if you know how to exploit a player by paying him out the eyeballs.