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Wassit3
06-19-2007, 11:15 PM
do you think he will ever get into the hall of fame or is he just not deserving?
rjbregnard
06-20-2007, 12:19 AM
Career .296/.384/.436 hitter over 17 seasons, 2182 hits, 162 HR, 1071 RBI, 1 MVP, 11 Gold Gloves, 5-time All Star, two-time World Champion (.245/.349/.340 in World Series).

Similar players: Wally Joyner, Mark Grace, Hal McRae

I think he falls short.
RickD
06-20-2007, 12:25 AM
Agreed. Gold gloves are great but over all just not enough to qualify as HOF in my book.
DontTreadOnMe
06-20-2007, 01:44 AM
Very Very good player.

Not hall of fame material though.
jdiggin
06-20-2007, 06:59 AM
Not quite there.
varybarry
06-20-2007, 03:15 PM
I agree that he was a really really good player, but he wasn't great. If his batting average was over .300 for his career I would say that he might get in, but .296 just doesn't cut it.
Mickademus
06-20-2007, 09:31 PM
Not good enought for the hall.
dps
06-21-2007, 03:05 AM
His best argument for the Hall is his 11 Gold Gloves, but that's not nearly as impressive argument for a first baseman as it would be for a shortstop, second baseman, or a catcher, or even a center fielder. As a hitter, he had some good years, but never had the power you look for in a first baseman.

Not really even close to a HoFer in my opinion.
varybarry
06-21-2007, 03:53 PM
Yeah definitely not enough power numbers for a first baseman HOFer. If he makes it in, then I'd be shocked.
mooseman74
06-21-2007, 05:41 PM
Nope.....but here's another question....Tony Fernandez HOFer or not? He's got almost identical numbers to Ozzie Smith...but only 3 or 4 Gold Gloves. Tony lost out to Cal Ripken's overrated, minimal-range defence for many years....and he was the all-time hits leader for Dominicans (I think) until Julio Franco came back and has since passed him.....Tony was a great SS in the mold of the old-school SS...not much power but great D and good speed and average.....
dps
06-22-2007, 04:54 AM
I don't think Fernandez will get in. He's the type of player that might or might not have been put in by the Veteran's Committee in years past, but the way the Committee is structured now, I don't see it happening.
Geoffy
06-23-2007, 12:22 AM
Nope.....but here's another question....Tony Fernandez HOFer or not? He's got almost identical numbers to Ozzie Smith...but only 3 or 4 Gold Gloves. Tony lost out to Cal Ripken's overrated, minimal-range defence for many years....and he was the all-time hits leader for Dominicans (I think) until Julio Franco came back and has since passed him.....Tony was a great SS in the mold of the old-school SS...not much power but great D and good speed and average.....

I think Fernandez was highly underrated, but I doubt we will ever see him in the hall. He did get 4 votes this year!
ohms_law
06-23-2007, 03:35 PM
Who?

(j/k of course, but that is kind of my point...)
Atariboy
06-23-2007, 03:47 PM
Alan Trammell was a better hitter than both Ozzie Smith and Tony Fernandez, yet he won't make the HoF either.

It's actually kind of funny, the '84 Tigers were one of the most dominating teams in MLB history, yet they don't have even one single HoF player. It's a crime Jack Morris isn't in. He was, afterall, the winningiest pitcher in the '80s and also tacked on another 20-win season and two World Series rings later in his career.
jdiggin
06-23-2007, 04:35 PM
I was wondering what you guys thought about Bert Blyleven (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blylebe01.shtml)...should he be in, or not????
ohms_law
06-23-2007, 04:36 PM
Yes.
jdiggin
06-23-2007, 04:38 PM
Why do you think he keeps getting looked over?

Ive always thought so but in the last couple of seasons I began to doubt myself based on the fact that I'm a "homer".
DontTreadOnMe
06-23-2007, 04:38 PM
Yeah I think Bert will make it.
Jack Morris should too.

How bout Biggio who is about to get his 3,000th hit?
ohms_law
06-23-2007, 04:42 PM
He's been "overlooked" due to a natural bias by voters to only want to vote people in who have met certain specific milestones. That's been changing recently though.
bigpapi
06-23-2007, 09:17 PM
All I know about Keith Hernandez is he and Roger McDowell spit on Kramer....and he's a Met, so he sucks!
TacoBoy
06-23-2007, 10:37 PM
Their was a second spitter on the grassy knoll:eek::eek:!! Say it aint so!!
Geoffy
06-24-2007, 02:15 AM
Yeah I think Bert will make it.
Jack Morris should too.

How bout Biggio who is about to get his 3,000th hit?

I don't think Biggio will be in the hall. I think Bert and Jack will ultimately find their ways in.
boomboom
06-24-2007, 02:20 AM
I don't think Biggio will be in the hall. I think Bert and Jack will ultimately find their ways in.

3,000 hit is an automatic ticket to the Hall.
Geoffy
06-24-2007, 02:23 AM
It should be, but with 30 MLB teams there are too many eligible players. It could take a while. Don't get me wrong: I like Biggio.
boomboom
06-24-2007, 11:13 AM
It should be, but with 30 MLB teams there are too many eligible players. It could take a while. Don't get me wrong: I like Biggio.


That didn't make any sense. Every player that is eligible for the HOF that has 3,000 hits has made it to the HOF. Raffy might be the first one never elected.
Geoffy
06-24-2007, 05:09 PM
I just meant that what once seemed like a milestone doesn't get you in on the first ballot anymore.
Wassit3
06-24-2007, 07:42 PM
I just meant that what once seemed like a milestone doesn't get you in on the first ballot anymore.

true
varybarry
06-26-2007, 04:45 PM
Fernandez was solid... I think a lot of it has to do with how successful the team they play for is. Not necessarily to get them in, but just to get them some recognition in the public's eye.
ohms_law
06-27-2007, 01:40 PM
definately