More splits

[HoustonGM]

I figured I'd throw this one up here again. Splits don't seem like they'd take much to implement, as it would simply require adding extra lines to the scouting report and coding in some different counters. I'd like to see these splits, namely.

Home/Road
Before/After All Star Break

Monthly - Perhaps add a dropdown menu of months, and you select the month and it shows that month's splits. Have an option for current year, or carere.

Vs. Team - As with the monthly splits, a dropdown menu with the different teams.

[ohms_law]

Yea, sure, why not?

[gem779]

would be very useful for use who play exclusively PBP. the home/road would be the one that interests me the most although all are useful.

[HoustonGM]

I just got "turned on" to the vs. team one because in my Giants dynasty, I remember Chris B. Young having 6 home runs in a series versus us earlier in the season, and then when we played the Diamondbacks in September, he goes 3-5 in the first game with two homers and 7 RBI, so I started thinking about how he was demolished us this year. Now, I'll be the first to argue that "vs. team" splits are essentially meaningless, especially when you take the "career" vs. team as a guy who's played 10 years certainly wasn't palying against the same team his rookie year as he is playing now (a thing I get majorly annoyed at when watching games on TV lol), but it'd certainly be cool to view those splits.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I just got "turned on" to the vs. team one because in my Giants dynasty, I remember Chris B. Young having 6 home runs in a series versus us earlier in the season, and then when we played the Diamondbacks in September, he goes 3-5 in the first game with two homers and 7 RBI, so I started thinking about how he was demolished us this year. Now, I'll be the first to argue that "vs. team" splits are essentially meaningless, especially when you take the "career" vs. team as a guy who's played 10 years certainly wasn't palying against the same team his rookie year as he is playing now (a thing I get majorly annoyed at when watching games on TV lol), but it'd certainly be cool to view those splits.

sounds like you are going down the OOTP road here....

[HoustonGM]

sounds like you are going down the OOTP road here....
OOTP has splits out the wazoo, which I don't want. But the simple most oft-cited splits, as I listed in my first post, would be very beneficial.

[BBMogulLover21]

I know ive mentioned this before but I wish we can also do how a player does for his career against a certain pitcher... not for the season but career

[damonrusst]

I'd like to see career stats vs. pitcher too.

[OldFatGuy]

I'd like to see career stats vs. pitcher too.

Yeah, me too. I think career stats vs pitcher are what you see when you watch a TV game too, and it would be nice to see that listed under the batter's picture in PBP rather that season vs pitcher. I think it would be much more interesting to see career vs pitcher, but don't know how difficult that would be to implement.

[MeetDaMets]

Ive noticed that when a batter comes to the plate , you get a note on his performance vs the particular pitcher.

ie Brock is 5 for 10 with 1 HR 3 BB vs Les Rohr

is there some way to view this info BEFORE the game starts so i can put in the guys that have been eating this pitcher alive and to help pinch hit decision making ?

[HoustonGM]

Ive noticed that when a batter comes to the plate , you get a note on his performance vs the particular pitcher.

ie Brock is 5 for 10 with 1 HR 3 BB vs Les Rohr

is there some way to view this info BEFORE the game starts so i can put in the guys that have been eating this pitcher alive and to help pinch hit decision making ?
No, there's not.

But, also, keep in mind, that just because a player is 4-5 against a certain pitcher, that really means nothing. As far as I know, hitters aren't programmed to hit better against certain pitchers, so, really, it's just a psychological comforter to put in a player that has done good in a small sample size against a pitcher.

[MeetDaMets]

No, there's not.

But, also, keep in mind, that just because a player is 4-5 against a certain pitcher, that really means nothing. As far as I know, hitters aren't programmed to hit better against certain pitchers, so, really, it's just a psychological comforter to put in a player that has done good in a small sample size against a pitcher.

your point about the sample size is valid. but as both a season and "dynasty" progresses the sample size grows.
Since batters and pitchers do have individual pitch strengths and weaknesses it stands to reason that over time,
be it in september or years down the road the individual stats would be meaningful, just as in the real game.
(ie joey can crush a forkball(+20) he can also crush a circle change(+15) / johnny's 2nd and 3rd pitch are forkball / circle change ... but they kinda suck.
result ? joey feasts on johnny whenever they face, if johnny refuses to throw fork or change out of concern, joey can look dead red the entire at bat)

Sample size or not , given a choice of pinch-hitting some one who is 5 for 10 on the season against a pitcher or 0 for 10 , who would you prefer ?

anyways i guess i just find seeing it only when the player bats to be something of a tease.
clearly its being tracked and recorded already on at least a yearly basis ,
so adding a dialogue to display it whenever desired doesnt seem terribly far fetched.
(pop up window with select pitcher + select batter then see stats))

then again ive not used "encyclopedia" yet.
might i find these stats there ?

[NYDodgers]

month-by-month stats sound really good

[HoustonGM]

your point about the sample size is valid. but as both a season and "dynasty" progresses the sample size grows.
The batter vs. pitcher stats are only shown for the current season, not career, and there's been studies done by Baseball Prospectus to show that there isn't necessarily any actual skills that certain players have to hit well against some pitchers beyond their normal abilities, and vice versa.


Since batters and pitchers do have individual pitch strengths and weaknesses it stands to reason that over time,
Yes, true, batters can have weaknesses/strengths against certain pitchers, which stands to reason that if a batter has +'s against pitches that the pitcher has, the batter will perform better against that pitcher, but since both the pitcher's pitches can be seen, and the batter's abilities against the pitches, these are better used in making strategy decisions, rather than the stats.


Sample size or not , given a choice of pinch-hitting some one who is 5 for 10 on the season against a pitcher or 0 for 10 , who would you prefer ?
I'd need more than just those two stats to determine it. If the 5-10 guy is Adam Kennedy and the 0-10 guy is Albert Pujols, I'd prefer Albert Pujols.


anyways i guess i just find seeing it only when the player bats to be something of a tease.
clearly its being tracked and recorded already on at least a yearly basis ,
so adding a dialogue to display it whenever desired doesnt seem terribly far fetched.
(pop up window with select pitcher + select batter then see stats))
I wouldn't be opposed to it.


again ive not used "encyclopedia" yet.
might i find these stats there ?
I don't think so

[MeetDaMets]

i totally get that the validity / value may be questionable.

But Im doing quite a bit of platooning with this particular team.

Recently chose to use Wayne Garrett (lhb) vs a Righty over Ed Charles (rhb) based on lefty righty split. However , it turned out that Garrett was 0 for 9 against this pitcher, he additionally went 0 for the game ... at somepoint needed to PH for my pitcher ... as it turned out ed charles was 3 for 5 on the season against this same guy and got a hit off him. so had i realized beforehand i would have started Charles despite his low numbers off righties.

Your points definitely have merit. Thanks for the info !

[HoustonGM]

It'd be interesting to check into those batters pitch strengths and weaknesses, and compare it to the pitcher's pitches.

[MeetDaMets]

i have seen some batters have astounding numbers off a particular guy despite not having any plusses on the pitches. i am aware this may defy logic , but many intangibles that occur in Baseball also seem to defy logic.

while it may be dumb luck
id rather know , in advance
if a batter has been having
bad dumb luck or good dum luck against a certain pitcher
than not know.
especially come september/playoff time.

anyways im glad this slow day at work is over,
Nolan Ryan is scheduled to pitch and im hoping to exceed my 18 k's in a game personal record. :D

bring the kiddies !!!!
bring the wife !!!!

[HoustonGM]

i have seen some batters have astounding numbers off a particular guy despite not having any plusses on the pitches. i am aware this may defy logic , but many intangibles that occur in Baseball also seem to defy logic.
It doesn't defy logic. It's just what happens in small sample sizes. ;)

[ohms_law]

while it may be dumb luck
id rather know , in advance
if a batter has been having
bad dumb luck or good dum luck against a certain pitcher
than not know.
especially come september/playoff time.
So would just about every MLB manager, ever.
:D

[yankees48151623]

Id also like to see more stats under sortable stats such as hf/fb, gb%, ld%, fb%, etc.

[MeetDaMets]

So would just about every MLB manager, ever.
:D


which is why they are now armed to the gills with individual matchup statistics :D

[falcon4e]

Yes please on the Home/Road and month by month splits.

[BINGLEBOP]

the home/road would be the one that interests me the most although all are useful.




D to the itto.

[Donny Ballgame]

No, there's not.

But, also, keep in mind, that just because a player is 4-5 against a certain pitcher, that really means nothing. As far as I know, hitters aren't programmed to hit better against certain pitchers, so, really, it's just a psychological comforter to put in a player that has done good in a small sample size against a pitcher.

Actually, there is. If you start the game in PBP, I believe when you choose your lineup, you can see how a given player is performing against the starting pitcher.

[HoustonGM]

Actually, there is. If you start the game in PBP, I believe when you choose your lineup, you can see how a given player is performing against the starting pitcher.
That wasn't in the game a year ago when I made the comment.

[Rongar]

I know ive mentioned this before but I wish we can also do how a player does for his career against a certain pitcher... not for the season but career

In 08 this is shown for the season - which. imo, is more relevant -you'll find it, in tiny print, on the playing screen in the bottom rh corner, underneath the stats of the hitter currently, at the plate.,

I imagine that this useful feature is in 09, too...I wouldn't know since the demo doesn't seem to be available, yet. (hint, hint, Clay)

[HoustonGM]

In 08 this is shown for the season - which. imo, is more relevant
One season (which for batter vs. pticher comes out to maybe 30 plate appearances for division rivals, at the end of the season) is more relevant than a career worth of stats?

Even though batter vs. pitcher stats really don't tell you anything anyway.