Can see ignored users being quoted.

[slowrx7]

Ignore is a useful function. However, I feel it should also not let me see when people quote someone I am ignoring.

[ohms_law]

It's always been that way. I don't know if the vBulletin people could even fix this if they wanted to, to be honest. However, they have their own forum (imagine that! ;)) at: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/
It'd probably be best to take up the issue with them, and then maybe they'll add something to censor quotes from people the current users ignore list or something.

[slowrx7]

Thanks

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, I know you can't see this, but that's impossible to do, as all a "quote" is is something put between the quote tags. Unless you use the actual quote button and link to a post, VBulletin has no idea where the quoted text came from.

[Wassit3]

what does it matter?? if you don't want to talk or interact with someone then just don't...*shrug*

[slowrx7]

Because pretty much everything HGM says and the way he says it infuriates me, and I when I ignore a troll, I don't want to see ANYTHING from said troll.

[pacers721]

lol, and i almost didn't come to this thread

[boomboom]

Yeah, I know you can't see this, but that's impossible to do, as all a "quote" is is something put between the quote tags. Unless you use the actual quote button and link to a post, VBulletin has no idea where the quoted text came from.
Houston isn't a troll... He is very helpful on the boards especially to new users. I think the ignore feature is stupid. (can't we all get along) maybe some people take things so personal...and they can't think for themselves only to have a position that is opposite of there foe. That itself is retarted.

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, I've disagreed with boomboom on issues as well, but he just responds and debates civilly without getting so worked up over it. There's no reason we can't disagree, debate back and forth, and not rip each others heads off. Having a different opinion and debating it doesn't make someone a troll.

[slowrx7]

Houston isn't a troll... He is very helpful on the boards especially to new users. I think the ignore feature is stupid. (can't we all get along) maybe some people take things so personal...and they can't think for themselves only to have a position that is opposite of there foe. That itself is retarted.

Awesome use of pulling a quote that has no bearing on anything you said in order to merely try to tick off a member by a mod. Bravo. Helpful? Are you kidding yourself or me?

You put in a personal attack at the end of your little post that made well about as much literary sense as something HGM would post. Of course, the real answer to why HGM is a troll is in his personal attacks and arrogance, but hey, who cares about accuracy? Right?

Like I said earlier, before this genius posted, ignore is useful for diffusing situations, and all in all a great tool provided by people say, 10 to 12 times as smart as mr boomboom, and I feel he has no right to attack something merely because he doesn't understand it or its use. (Sort of like HGM.)

Take things personal? He called people densing and stupid and etc etc. Is there any other way to take it?

All in all, great job at aligning yourself with someone of the same calibre as yourself, and great attempt to troll. Your should be commended. Oh wait, no. You should be condemned.

Have a nice day.

[slowrx7]

And if the rumour that Houston GM somehow became a mod is true, well that makes about as much sense as tits on a boarhog. Seriously. The biggest nutcase and potty mouth (not to mention occassionally unintelligible) on the board being a moderator? Whoever made that call needs to lay off the drugs and reevaluate things when they sober up.

[slowrx7]

Oh, and if anyone is retarted (sic), it is because they have problems with there (sic) mind and body, and it should not be used as a putdown, boomboom. (Especially by someone who can barely use correct grammar better than my 5 year old son.)

[HoustonGM]

Take things personal? He called people densing and stupid and etc etc. Is there any other way to take it?
Dense, yes. Stupid, no. When I have to repeat myself 10 times, and you still tell me I'm saying something that I'm not, that's being dense.

You sure do a good job of keeping the personal insults flying though, now accusing Clay of doing drugs and insulting boomboom's intelligence.

[slowrx7]

I merely reported the fact of what he said - if he doesn't want to look like a *****, perhaps he should take better care before he posts.

And perhaps ohms was correct in another thread when he said perhaps the dense one is the one who can't properly communicate his thoughts to the board members and keeps getting 'misunderstood'. (Hey, ohms probably meant you!)

[HoustonGM]

When I have to repeatedly say the same thing over and over again, something which is very simple and clear ("It is a fact that there is a high correlation every year, not that there is a perfect correlation.") and I still get told that somehow I'm contradicting myself with that one statement, I'm not the one being dense.

[slowrx7]

Take up it with the person who said it then. However, let it be known that when you 'say the same thing over and over', when we obviously can't make heads or tails of the gibberish you post, perhaps you should try again a different way. Also, no offense, but nothing you ever post is 'very simple and clear', because of your lack of communication skills.

In fact, the only thing you HAVE made clear is that you insist on calling people, 'dense'. I find it very disturbing that we have a moderator on this board who insists on insult flinging.

Perhaps you should work on your communication skills before you go around flinging insults. I say you should, with a little effort, be on par with the average board member in a few years. Note that I am not the only one who has noticed your poor sentence construction, use of terms, and spelling. This is not a personal attack, but instead a friendly suggestion.

[Wassit3]

When I have to repeatedly say the same thing over and over again, something which is very simple and clear ("It is a fact that there is a high correlation every year, not that there is a perfect correlation.") and I still get told that somehow I'm contradicting myself with that one statement, I'm not the one being dense.

why are you arguing with someone that has you on ignore? just curious....

[slowrx7]

I did take him off pending no more insults.

[HoustonGM]

Take up it with the person who said it then. However, let it be known that when you 'say the same thing over and over', when we obviously can't make heads or tails of the gibberish you post, perhaps you should try again a different way. Also, no offense, but nothing you ever post is 'very simple and clear', because of your lack of communication skills.
Right.

"It is a fact that there is a high correlation every year"

is extremely clear.


In fact, the only thing you HAVE made clear is that you insist on calling people, 'dense'. I find it very disturbing that we have a moderator on this board who insists on insult flinging.
I made the "dense" comment prior to becoming a moderator. I'm not insulting anybody's intelligence. In fact, I made it clear that it seems to me as though it was just being done on purpose in an effort to frustrate me, not because whoever it may be is actually dense. I have met very few people on these boards that aren't intelligent.


Perhaps you should work on your communication skills before you go around flinging insults. I say you should, with a little effort, be on par with the average board member in a few years. Note that I am not the only one who has noticed your poor sentence construction, use of terms, and spelling.
I often do multiple things at once. I have a very busy life outside of the Internet, so I often have other things on my mind. Forgive me for not paying 100% perfect attention to my sentence construction.

And saying that it seems to me that people are just being dense on purpose is a farcry as an insult from the insults you've slung at me, as well as the bolded statement above.

I do, in fact, have fine communication skills, and fine writing skills. You don't go through high school on the honor roll by being an idiot. You don't get a job working at a lawyer's office if you have a lack of communication skills. You don't get into the highest level English class in college without knowledge of English. You don't get a full academic scholarship to college by being stupid.


why are you arguing with someone that has you on ignore? just curious....
It appears as though he's unignored me.

[HoustonGM]

I did take him off pending no more insults.
Outside of my dense comment, I don't think I've insulted you, and the severity of saying I tihnk somebody's being dense on purpose is far less than the profanity-laced, degrading insults you've said to me.

I explained a bit to robinhoodnik in a PM the other day. Here it is:


And by the way, no hard feelings between us or anything. I'm just a strong debater and stand firmly in my beliefs, and harbor no ill feelings towards you for disagreeing.

And I know I've been extra...i don't know the word...lately. I've been going through a lot of stress and **** lately.

I don't harbor any ill will towards you, slowrx7, or anybody else I debate with. No matter how heated debates I participate in get, it isn't until I start getting insulted or degraded that I start getting extremely frustrated and might throw a slight insult back. No matter what, I try to keep insulting to a bare minimum, if at all, and any insults I do use, I make sure not to be too harsh, like calling someone a "****ing fruitcake."

[slowrx7]

Oh goodness, high school honor roll! I hereby recant all statements regarding your education. (/em sarcasm)

[HoustonGM]

Oh goodness, high school honor roll! I hereby recant all statements regarding your education. (/em sarcasm)
I'm not saying it's a huge meaningful accomplishment. But if I really lacked the intelligence you seem to claim, I wouldn't be able to maintain a B+/A average throughout 4 years of high school, and I certainly wouldn't be able to get a full academic scholarship to college.

[Wassit3]

I'm not saying it's a huge meaningful accomplishment. But if I really lacked the intelligence you seem to claim, I wouldn't be able to maintain a B+/A average throughout 4 years of high school, and I certainly wouldn't be able to get a full academic scholarship to college.

congratulations on the academic scholarship to college:)

[HoustonGM]

congratulations on the academic scholarship to college:)
thank you :)

[slowrx7]

You are not a strong debater. You merely think you are, which is very dangerous. You assume you always 'win' the argument, and then get frustrated when people are not swayed to your opinion. That is when the insults come flying from you. People that disagree with you are not by nature stupid or dense.

The fact is your are a weak debater and rarely sway anyone. You are a loose cannon on these boards, as am I. The major difference is I admit it and try to take measures to control it. You embrace your 'loose cannoness'.

Some friendly advice - don't simply dismiss anything that cannot be mathematically explained. Who knows, maybe a future Bill James will be able to write a formula that expresses the value of intangibles. Perhaps better performance formulas will be created that don't have major flaws. I am quite positive that in the future sabermetrics will become a valuable tool, but at this time, the people at Baseball Prospectus are not skilled enough to create formulas without major conceptual flaws. You should, before taking their formulas as truth, use what is known as a 'sanity check' to make sure such formulas don't have flawed assumptions, such as 'luck factor' or assuming the pitcher BAA is a 0 value stat.

Think before you fling insults. Take the other opinions and play devils advocate. Until then, you will remain a very weak debater.

[slowrx7]

I never once said you were stupid, and yes congratulations on the scholarship. However, your education is far from done, and hopefully more life experience will also be part of your continuing education.

[HoustonGM]

You assume you always 'win' the argument
No, I don't ever assume I've won anything. Internet debates are basically by nature not able to be won.


and then get frustrated when people are not swayed to your opinion.
I get frustrated when words are put into my mouth. I get frustrated when people blatantly ignore FACTS, which are NOT my opinion. I get frustrated when I get insulted without provoking it.


People that disagree with you are not by nature stupid or dense.
Never said they were. In fact, I said that there aren't many people on these boards that I think are stupid. I don't think you are stupid. I don't think FRS is stupid. I don't think robin is stupid. The whole reason we're all here on these forums are due to a game which isn't for a stupid person, but rather something who enjoys thinking and dealing with challenges.

It's not the disagreeing that frustrates me. It's the continually telling ME what I'm saying, and completely ignoring any clarifications I make.


The fact is your are a weak debater and rarely sway anyone.
Not swaying anybody does not mean you are a weak debater. People's opinions are rarely swayed, especially by a forum on the internet. People hold their beliefs and normally don't ever let anything sway them otherwise. That's just the way people are.


You are a loose cannon on these boards, as am I. The major difference is I admit it and try to take measures to control it. You embrace your 'loose cannoness'.
I guess we'll just have to disagree there. I, as stated above, make sure to try and keep things as civil as possible.


Some friendly advice - don't simply dismiss anything that cannot be mathematically explained. Who knows, maybe a future Bill James will be able to write a formula that expresses the value of intangibles. Perhaps better performance formulas will be created that don't have major flaws. I am quite positive that in the future sabermetrics will become a valuable tool, but at this time, the people at Baseball Prospectus are not skilled enough to create formulas without major conceptual flaws. You should, before taking their formulas as truth, use what is known as a 'sanity check' to make sure such formulas don't have flawed assumptions, such as 'luck factor' or assuming the pitcher BAA is a 0 value stat.
That's a topic for another thread. Needless to say, I disagree with most of it.


Think before you fling insults.
Same to you.


Take the other opinions and play devils advocate.
I'm not going to argue FOR something that I think is completely wrong. Sorry.

[HoustonGM]

yes congratulations on the scholarship
Thanks.


However, your education is far from done
Well aware of that


and hopefully more life experience will also be part of your continuing education.
More life experience is always something everybody continues to learn about as they get older, even beyond their schooling.

[Wassit3]

More life experience is always something everybody continues to learn about as they get older, even beyond their schooling.

not everyone lol I'e met some people that havent learned anything new in 20 years...

[HoustonGM]

not everyone lol I'e met some people that havent learned anything new in 20 years...
lol

well, yeah, there's always total idiots that don't pay attention to anything :p

[slowrx7]

Yeah, heh.

[HoustonGM]

Good, we're laughing together.

[slowrx7]

When you say words are put into your mouth, think about the reason why people msunderstood you. Is it more likely the entirety of the boards fault, or the poster that no one could understand?

[HoustonGM]

When you say words are put into your mouth, think about the reason why people msunderstood you. Is it more likely the entirety of the boards fault, or the poster that no one could understand?
In the cases that I'm thinking of, there's no way that it's due to me. I mean, when I say qutie clearly "I think Barry Bonds took steroids" and never once say "I don't think barry Bonds took steroids" and yet am told repeatedly "Your argument has been that Bonds never took steroids"...that's words being put into my mouth that I've never spoken and have actually ONLY said that complete opposite, quite clearly.

[Wassit3]

just passing through...

[slowrx7]

How about you answer the question at hand?

[slowrx7]

Unless you want to stick with the, "It must be that the whole board is dense" defense - I suggest you rethink (think?) the question over before you answer again.

[HoustonGM]

In the situations where I have accused somebody of putting words into my mouth, it is not the entirety of the board's fault, nor is it not being able to understand me. Like I said, in those situations, I have been explicitly clear. It's not the entirety of the boards by any stretch of the imagination.

[slowrx7]

Right. That wasn't really a definite answer. It was more like a politicians sample response to any hard question. So here is another question(s). Why is it only you that this seems to happen? Are you a target? Or are you just the whiniest member of the board?

I still struggle to see how it can be nobody's fault, yet you through an immature little fit over it happening. Obviously, you wouldn't get upset if you thought no one was at fault. (Or so I would hope.)

[HoustonGM]

Why is it only you that this seems to happen? Are you a target? Or are you just the whiniest member of the board?
Because I'm one of the most active members of the boards? And I post nearly every thread.


I still struggle to see how it can be nobody's fault, yet you through an immature little fit over it happening. Obviously, you wouldn't get upset if you thought no one was at fault. (Or so I would hope.)
Okay. You tell me how it's my fault when I say

"I believe that Barry Bonds took steroids."

and I never once say that he didn't take steroids.

And then I'm repeatedly accused of basing my argument on my belief that Bonds did NOT take steroids.

How is that my fault? My statements have been 100% clear and concise that I believe Barry Bonds used steroids, yet I still am told by others that my argument has been that Bonds DIDNT use steroids. That is not POSSIBLY my fault. If you think that's somehow my fault, please explain how that's even possible.

[slowrx7]

I have already stated the fact of your lack of communication skills. Perhaps mine need work too if an honor roll student can't figure it out.

[HoustonGM]

What? No. That doesn't even begin to make sense. Ignoring that I actually don't lack communication skills, there's nothing a lack of communication skills can do when I flat out say I THINK BONDS TOOK ROIDS to make someone think that i think that he didn't take roids

I think Barry Bonds took steroids has one and only one meaning. No amount of a lack of communication skills makes that statement mean the exact opposite of what I'm being accused of arguing for.

[slowrx7]

/\/\ /\/\ |< - But I think you had a lot of ambigous 'you can't proves flying around' and people picked up on that.

[HoustonGM]

Believing that it can't be 100% proven, yet still believing that it's true, are seperate things. By saying I don't think it can be proven, that IS NOT saying that I don't think it's true.

[slowrx7]

Whoooosh. That's the sound of the the point going over your head. (Again, sigh)

When you make so many differing statements, some of which don't technically conflict, people are bound to be confused on what point you are trying to make. The communicator is the one the weight is on to get through to the audience. Instead of blaming them, blame yourself for being unclear. If they don't understand, it is your fault. No matter what. No, don't even try to weasel out. I can sense you right now forming another 'out'. There is no way out. The audience was confused and it is the communicators fault. 100% fault, to you. Is that crystal clear enough for you?

And besides, instead of nicely restating what you said, you had to act like a toddler and get mad? There was no excuse for you to go off and throw insults. Yes I am guilty of doing this as well, but there is no excuse for insults I made either. Aww, someone fwustwated you??? Poh Baby.

How about you grow up and take accountability for your actions? Yeah, probably too much to expect, but hey we can wish.

[HoustonGM]

There's no way I can state that I believe Bonds too steroids, and that I believe that he shouldn't be stricken from the records due to lack of proof, along with a bunch of other issues, any clearer than I already have.

How about when I state "It is a fact that there is a high correlation every year" and I get in response "That's a contradiction! A fact is a perfect correlation. YOu can't say there isnt a perfect correlation and yet still call it a fact"!? That's just ridiculous too. It can be a fact that there is a high correlation, and that's not a contradiction. And there's no way I can be any clearer.

The fault does NOT lay entirely on me. I've admitted that I don't articulate things perfectly all the time for many reasons. However, to say that not understanding what I'm saying is ENTIRELY my fault, is wrong.

And I like how you say that there's no excuse for insults, yet throw another, sneakier one in there in the very next sentence.

Also, I nicely restated what I've said over and over again, and it gets replied to with a "NO! YOUVE ARGUED THAT BONDS DIDNT USE STEROIDS." or a "NO! THATS A CONTRADICTION" even though I already restated what I was saying. That is where my dense comment came from - because I had restated over and over again what my point was, and I still get told that I'm arguing for something I'm actually not.

[wood34]

I'm gonna have to agree with HoustonGM here.

Slowrx7 seems like he just wants to fight, no matter how dumb it makes him sound.

[dabruinss]

this is hilarious. i have to comment just to keep the thread at the top of the page a little longer.:D

[wood34]

this is hilarious. i have to comment just to keep the thread at the top of the page a little longer.:D

XD

I'll have to agree with ya

[slowrx7]

Your choice to side with whoever you want, just don't be surprised when our newest mod calls you dense. Also, he will use the correct definition of a word to his advantage, but if you try to reverse it, he will say something to the effect of 'you know what I meant'.

HGM - I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to articulate an argument. It happens to me all the time. The Sheffield thread is a prime example. But - that does not give you the right to go raped ape on people. If you have to nicely say it 10 times, and someone still doesn't get it - tell them nicely the 11th time, or just stop responding.

And just to throw this out here, is someone who lacks obvious social skills dense?

[wood34]

Your choice to side with whoever you want, just don't be surprised when our newest mod calls you dense. Also, he will use the correct definition of a word to his advantage, but if you try to reverse it, he will say something to the effect of 'you know what I meant'.

HGM - I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to articulate an argument. It happens to me all the time. The Sheffield thread is a prime example. But - that does not give you the right to go raped ape on people. If you have to nicely say it 10 times, and someone still doesn't get it - tell them nicely the 11th time, or just stop responding.

And just to throw this out here, is someone who lacks obvious social skills dense?

You really seem to have something against him.

Based on that "newest mod" comment, i sense a bit of jealousy

[slowrx7]

Nah, I haven't been here long enough, I'm a loose cannon, and I wouldn't want the job. But do I think he shouldn't be a mod? Yes, he was a bad choice.

[wood34]

Actually, he was a good choice

He has been a huge contributor here for a long time.

[slowrx7]

I realize that. However, moderators generally attempt to diffuse situations. HGM doesn't know that art (nor do I). A moderator taking pot shots at contributors and attempting to escalate situations to bait a contributor into tossing an insult back is pretty much unheard of.

[robinhoodnik]

You really seem to have something against him.

It's not a good idea to prod more response out of an arguement you're not involved in either Wood. My two cents.

[robinhoodnik]

just passing through...

Empty handed............, no beer.......... ;)

[slowrx7]

I have something against the way he treats people and insults them. I have something against the way he takes no accountability after a profanity laden or condescending remark. I have nothing against him personally. I happen to think we would get along irl. Same interests, at least.

[boomboom]

I'm gonna have to agree with HoustonGM here.

Slowrx7 seems like he just wants to fight, no matter how dumb it makes him sound.


lol

[slowrx7]

lol

I know, he's so far off base, its funny.

[slowrx7]

Thanks for the hit and run, too, boomboom :cool:

[boomboom]

Thanks for the hit and run, too, boomboom :cool:

;)

This thread is funny. :)

[slowrx7]

I am here to please.

[HoustonGM]

Your choice to side with whoever you want, just don't be surprised when our newest mod calls you dense.
Again, I made the "dense" comment prior to becoming a mod, and also, it wasn't even in response to anything you said.


HGM - I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to articulate an argument. It happens to me all the time. The Sheffield thread is a prime example. But - that does not give you the right to go raped ape on people. If you have to nicely say it 10 times, and someone still doesn't get it - tell them nicely the 11th time, or just stop responding.
In these specific cases I've been referring to, I articulated my argument as crystal clear as I could.


And just to throw this out here, is someone who lacks obvious social skills dense?
I don't lack obvious social skills. Which social skills do I lack?


Nah, I haven't been here long enough, I'm a loose cannon, and I wouldn't want the job. But do I think he shouldn't be a mod? Yes, he was a bad choice.
Robinhoodnik and I have both become mods. I know you're going to call me biased, but i think that we were both excellent choices to mod the forum. Why? here's why.

1) We've both been active participants of the forums for many years. I joined 5 years ago, and started really participating on a daily basis 3 years ago.
2) Robin joined 4 years ago. I don't know exactly how long he's been a very active member, but it's been for as long as I can remember.
3) We both provide mods for the game to the community. I provide rosters, and I've done photos. Robin's provided photos, logos, and has also been a very active member of the BMO community.
4) We both try our best to help new Mogul players.


I realize that. However, moderators generally attempt to diffuse situations. HGM doesn't know that art (nor do I). A moderator taking pot shots at contributors and attempting to escalate situations to bait a contributor into tossing an insult back is pretty much unheard of.
Keep in mind I became a moderator like two days ago. I'm not going to change my beliefs or how I defend my beliefs in a debate. I've rarely had problems until recently. I don't see why two people can't debate an issue on which they disagree, without in escalating into ridiculousness.


I have something against the way he treats people and insults them.
Please, where have I insulted people besides that one "dense" comment, that was not harsh at all, and was a general statement based on how ridiculous it was to have to repeat the same thing over and over again when it was clearly put into one, neat sentence?

[slowrx7]

HGM - being a good contributor has nothing to do with being a moderator.
It is a worthy trait, and it shows you will be here a lot, but its only a prerequisite for the job, and honestly, the only prereq I think you have.

You lack the social skills of being able to calm people down, being able to not respond to baiting, you are overly defensive (even your response to my question which sparked this response, which was a yes or no btw, was defensive), you lack the petting of ego to help someone feel smart even if it appears they aren't, you lack a sense of humor, you lack the ability to be nice when frustrated, and you lack the ability to choose words that are not profanity when a more politically correct word is available.

Dense isn't harsh? Wait, that a joke? And does it matter who it was aimed at? I actually care about the other members of this board, which leads to another social skill you lack - compassion.

You are a mod now. You don't need to change your beliefs, but you are supposed to be a role model on the forums, and are here not to 'pwn' contributors, but moderate discussions. Like it or not, you should tone down a little bit, and act more like ohms. I used to be frustrated at ohms, but all in all, ohms has acted fairly neutral.

[HoustonGM]

HGM - being a good contributor has nothing to do with being a moderator.
It is a worthy trait, and it shows you will be here a lot, but its only a prerequisite for the job, and honestly, the only prereq I think you have.
What's that? A contradition? First you state that being a good contributor has nothing to do with being a moderator, than you claim it as a prerequisite! Which is it? Does it have something to do with being a moderator, or not?!

[/sarcasm]


You lack the social skills of being able to calm people down, being able to not respond to baiting, you are overly defensive (even your response to my question which sparked this response, which was a yes or no btw, was defensive), you lack the petting of ego to help someone feel smart even if it appears they aren't, you lack a sense of humor, you lack the ability to be nice when frustrated, and you lack the ability to choose words that are not profanity when a more politically correct word is available.
Just to let you know, you don't know the first thing about me.


Dense isn't harsh? Wait, that a joke? And does it matter who it was aimed at? I actually care about the other members of this board, which leads to another social skill you lack - compassion.
Again, you don't know the first thing about me.

And when I say that I think that somebody is purposely not understanding me to get me frustrated, yeah, that's not that harsh.


You are a mod now. You don't need to change your beliefs, but you are supposed to be a role model on the forums, and are here not to 'pwn' contributors, but moderate discussions.
Moderators are members of the community as well. They're sole purpose isn't to just simply moderate discussions. They're allowed to participate in them as well. If becoming a moderator meant not being allowed to participate in debates, I would not have agreed to it, as a big reason I am here is to participate in discussions.

[slowrx7]

I don't know what a contradition is, but I wasn't contradicting myself. Good contributing is needed to be recogized and selected. It isn't a necessary part of the task.

Ok, you ask me what you lack then totally dismiss it? Why even ask? To bait me? I know enough to make a first impression, and I honestly answered to the best of my knowledge.

The insults - You could have worded it the way you did just now in your earlier post, but you didn't. You called them dense.

Of course you can partake in discussions, but not knowing troll or bait people, or incite an angry reaction, which is what you usually do.

[HoustonGM]

I don't know what a contradition is, but I wasn't contradicting myself. Good contributing is needed to be recogized and selected. It isn't a necessary part of the task.
Okay, you can stop pointing out every itsy bitsy typo I make. That's just pointless. A moderator that doesn't contribute won't be a moderator long. Activeness is a requirement of a moderator.


Ok, you ask me what you lack then totally dismiss it? Why even ask? To bait me? I know enough to make a first impression, and I honestly answered to the best of my knowledge.
Yet, you don't know me. All you know of me is how I act in a debate about baseball, something of which I hold very strong opinions on.


The insults - You could have worded it the way you did just now in your earlier post, but you didn't. You called them dense.
And I later expanded upon it.


Of course you can partake in discussions, but not knowing troll or bait people, or incite an angry reaction, which is what you usually do.
No. I state my opinion, and defend my opinion. I'm not inciting anything by arguing my point, else, everyone that's participated in a debate is guilty of the same thing.

[slowrx7]

It isn't defending your ideals where you screw up. Its the condescending, arrogant, cocky attitude how you defend it.

Possibly contributing is required on this board, so I will concede that point. However, its not the total skillset needed.

I don't need to know you. You portray your social skills on this board and thats all we have to go on. You show a lack of social skills and thats we base it on. I supposed I could have prefaced every example with 'On this board, you seem to'. You could be the nicest guy in the world, but you come off differently here. On the board, thats all we have to go on.

[HoustonGM]

It isn't defending your ideals where you screw up. Its the condescending, arrogant, cocky attitude how you defend it.
If you want to go back and look at older debates, you wouldn't see such an attitude, because I wasn't being personally attacked at every opportunity.


Possibly contributing is required on this board, so I will concede that point. However, its not the total skillset needed.
Which is why I listed other things as well, and it wasn't a complete list.


I don't need to know you. You portray your social skills on this board and thats all we have to go on. You show a lack of social skills and thats we base it on. I supposed I could have prefaced every example with 'On this board, you seem to'. You could be the nicest guy in the world, but you come off differently here. On the board, thats all we have to go on.
You're basing it solely off my debates on a topic I feel very strongly about. Take a look around the rest of the forum. I offer help to people when they need it. I point people in the right direction and answer their questions regarding the game. I get a couple of instant messages a week with people asking me for assistance with the game or the forums. If I was such a bad person on the boards, why would people come to me with issues they're having?

[slowrx7]

They don't know any better? How am I supposed to know why? I am not a mind reader.

Most of your list contained things that pointed to activity. Number 4 I have no idea if its true. In fact, I remember you being mean to me when I first joined.

You aren't being attacked. You were being debated. It's funny how when you do it, its debating, and when people do it to you, its attacking.

[slowrx7]

And no, I don't see you on the other boards where we work together. (joke)

[HoustonGM]

Most of your list contained things that pointed to activity. Number 4 I have no idea if its true. In fact, I remember you being mean to me when I first joined.
All my memories of talking to you have come from debates, in which we disagree. I don't ever recall you asking for help regarding Mogul and me being mean to you.


You aren't being attacked. You were being debated. It's funny how when you do it, its debating, and when people do it to you, its attacking.
It goes beyond debating when I start to get insulted because I happened to have been born in 1989, and when I am called many harsh names, like "****ing fruitcake" and a multitude of others. (And I'm talking about more people than just you, by the way).

[ohms_law]

Robinhoodnik and I have both become mods. I know you're going to call me biased, but i think that we were both excellent choices to mod the forum. Why? here's why.

1) We've both been active participants of the forums for many years. I joined 5 years ago, and started really participating on a daily basis 3 years ago.
2) Robin joined 4 years ago. I don't know exactly how long he's been a very active member, but it's been for as long as I can remember.
3) We both provide mods for the game to the community. I provide rosters, and I've done photos. Robin's provided photos, logos, and has also been a very active member of the BMO community.
4) We both try our best to help new Mogul players.

5) Between the three of us there's always going to be coverage on the non-BMO forums, now.
6) The three of us know each other very well (on the forums, at least), and we know the community (standards, rules, guidelines, etc...)
7) Between the three of us, we sort of run a spectrum. Robin is more "conservative", I'm more "moderate", and HGM is more "liberal". Obviously, none of us are real ideologues, and those labels are far from being 100% accurate, but their accurate enough.
:)
8) I trust their judgment (and Clay obviously agreed).
9) We can back each other up.

[HoustonGM]

5) Between the three of us there's always going to be coverage on the non-BMO forums, now.
6) The three of us know each other very well (on the forums, at least), and we know the community (standards, rules, guidelines, etc...)
7) Between the three of us, we sort of run a spectrum. Robin is more "conservative", I'm more "moderate", and HGM is more "liberal". Obviously, none of us are real ideologues, and those labels are far from being 100% accurate, but their accurate enough.
:)
8) I trust their judgment (and Clay obviously agreed).
9) We can back each other up.
Good additions.

I'd also just like to state that I do understand that I've been more "snappy" lately, as I alluded to when I quoted my private message to Robin. I've been going through some rough emotional times lately, as well as dealing with the stress of college preparation, so I am more "on edge" so to speak.

[ohms_law]

It goes beyond debating when I start to get insulted because I happened to have been born in 1989, and when I am called many harsh names, like "****ing fruitcake" and a multitude of others. (And I'm talking about more people than just you, by the way).

Timing is a big part of this as well. Just prior to your first post, slowrx (and, incidentally, prior to HGM and robin becoming mods), we had a bit of an incident with a member... Let's just say that it wasn't pretty, and HGM didn't do anything wrong, but he was certainly the target.
That was like the day before you joined. Actually, it may have been the day that you joined (or at least the day that you first posted...).

Bad timing.

[HoustonGM]

Mind refreshing my memory, ohms? Which incident occured immediately prior to slowrx7 joining?

[slowrx7]

Well to be fair, when you see a post count of less than 5 on a contributor, wouldn't you want to back off a little, so they don't get scared off and leave?

[slowrx7]

I think I called you the fruitcake, in all honesty.

[slowrx7]

TacoBoy? that was after the Sheffield thread.

[HoustonGM]

Well to be fair, when you see a post count of less than 5 on a contributor, wouldn't you want to back off a little, so they don't get scared off and leave?
I don't pay attention to post count that much. I often don't look at it at all.


I think I called you the fruitcake, in all honesty
Yes, that was you, but I didn't want to seem like I was implying that you're continually insulting me, as you're not, you just HAVE, and a lot of the insults directed to me have been from other people.

[ohms_law]

TacoBoy? that was after the Sheffield thread.

yup

[HoustonGM]

So, it was TacoBoy both times? Heh.

[slowrx7]

Well, I come from a very violent mud. Pretty much nothing other than the newbie and the main gossip channel is moderated except by channel owners. The boards aren't really modded either. Insults are a way of life there, and you better be good or you get ran off.

[ohms_law]

Clay has always kept the forums here pretty darn liberal. At least compared to many of the other forums that I'm a member of.
That being said, there aren't any actual "unmoderated" forums here. Ejections is close, but we still look at it...

Not really saying anything here, just imparting a bit of info is all.

[HoustonGM]

It's better this way. I've been on many other forums, and it seems that the ones with the most rules and moderation actually have the most problems. These forums are relatively problem-free. A bad apple every now and then, but not constant issues.

[slowrx7]

Actually, HGM reminds me of someone from my mud, except that he hates sports (but his brother does like baseball, ironically). Funny thing is we used to be clanned together, but man the fights we had on channels were great.

[HoustonGM]

What's mud?

[slowrx7]

multi user dungeon. A text-based game loosely based off of d and d

[HoustonGM]

Sounds interesting.

[ohms_law]

It's better this way. I've been on many other forums, and it seems that the ones with the most rules and moderation actually have the most problems. These forums are relatively problem-free. A bad apple every now and then, but not constant issues.
Yea, no kidding.


multi user dungeon. A text-based game loosely based off of d and d


Sounds interesting.

MUDS are awesome, you ought to give them a try some time. Google it when you get a chance.

UO, Everquest, WOW, etc... have basically taken the mud concept and run with it. The original MUD/MOO/MUSH style is still lots of fun though.

[jdiggin]

Hit.......and run

Wow this was the funniest thread I've read in a while, although I was m.i.a. for a while so I may have missed something.

[boomboom]

Hit.......and run

Wow this was the funniest thread I've read in a while, although I was m.i.a. for a while so I may have missed something.

We both have been MIA...but this is an interesting thread...I am glad there are two new moderators. That means that I can take a back seat and eventually leave BMO, and this forum. ( I have no time ), especially reading these new 100 reply threads that are poping up...

[robinhoodnik]

;)

This thread is funny. :)

See? You get so much more for your twenty bucks here on the SM forums.

[robinhoodnik]

Okay, you can stop pointing out every itsy bitsy typo I make. That's just pointless. A moderator that doesn't contribute won't be a moderator long. Activeness is a requirement of a moderator.

Good point, activity is also required, probably more than activeness is. :p

[slowrx7]

Heh, and that wasn't actually a typo, so yeah...

[HoustonGM]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activeness

It IS a word.

[Wassit3]

5)
7) Between the three of us, we sort of run a spectrum. Robin is more "conservative", I'm more "moderate", and HGM is more "liberal". Obviously, none of us are real ideologues, and those labels are far from being 100% accurate, but their accurate enough.


I would have called Ohm's liberal and Robin and HGM moderate but that's just my 2 cents, continue on with your usual programming...

[HoustonGM]

I would have called Ohm's liberal and Robin and HGM moderate but that's just my 2 cents, continue on with your usual programming...
I'm much more "liberal." I despise those terms, but I'd say ohms got it right.

[Wassit3]

I'm much more "liberal." I despise those terms, but I'd say ohms got it right.

you seem pretty straight laced to me...

[HoustonGM]

you seem pretty straight laced to me...
What do you mean by that?

Politically, I'm very very far "left," and I've noticed that it seems as though people with left-leaning political views tend to be more sabermetric-leaning when it comes to baseball.

I can gaurentee you that, politically, I'm far from moderate.

[slowrx7]

Uh, how do you come to that conclusion?

[HoustonGM]

Uh, how do you come to that conclusion?
That I'm far from moderate? Or that it seems as though left-leaning people tend to be more stat-oriented when it comes to baseball? I'm assuming the latter. It's just a pattern I've seemed to notice, nothing definite.

[slowrx7]

Oh, so no concrete facts?

[HoustonGM]

Um, no, there's no concrete facts. It's just something I've noticed every once in a while.

[slowrx7]

Nod. You may be on to something as I am somewhat conservative, however I am not opposed to sabremetrics in principle, but in its current form.

[robinhoodnik]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activeness

It IS a word.

It is a word. I'm just not sure that the usage is correct. They're slightly different in definition. Eh, who really cares, this isn't grammar mogul after all.

[HoustonGM]

Grammar Mogul

There's an idea..

:-p

[ohms_law]

lol

[slowrx7]

Grandpa Mogul - sell grandkids!

[RickD]

Wow thanks guys for the exciting thread. I miss one day and the next thing you know I have to read 8 pages of a train wreck to see where it ends up. LOL. Seriously I am glad to se Robin and HGM as Mods now as I have learned a lot from their threads since I first joined thre forum.

[robinhoodnik]

Seriously I am glad to se Robin and HGM as Mods now as I have learned a lot from their threads since I first joined thre forum.

Mostly the "don't end up like this" variety of learning, sad isn't it? :(

[robinhoodnik]

Grammar Mogul

There's an idea..

:-p

I'd bet we could get an ESPN logo above the title if we could program it. :D

[ohms_law]

lol

[RickD]

Grandmer Moegoal.......fore the best in how to say what u want and how to say it