Grammar Thread.

[dupont24]

Grammar Thread .

[HoustonGM]

He used the word everyone.

Sorry, in my book that includes people of this forum. My bad for misreading your words Brandon, I apologize/


But If I had opened with an argument stating,,,

"I like how everyone says Barry didnt do Steroids and yadda yadda yadda", you HoustonGM would be the first to point out that you never said such a thing.
If I was accused of saying that Barry didn't do steroids, yes, I would be the first to say that I never said that.

It's no big deal. You misinterpreted Brandon's post.

[Wassit3]

i say if his accusers can prove what they are saying why should they have any problem with doing so?? to me if you are man/woman enough to accuse someone of something be man/woman enough to back up what you are saying and live with the consequences of it...

[DontTreadOnMe]

i say if his accusers can prove what they are saying why should they have any problem with doing so?? to me if you are man/woman enough to accuse someone of something be man/woman enough to back up what you are saying and live with the consequences of it...

Yes but where does the line of being an accuser and just having an opinion fall?

If someone thinks barry cheated on his wife, taxes and baseball and states that opinion when they are asked about it, is he accusing?

And those are the people he wants to sue, I havent heard anything about him wanting to sue his actual accusers, the two journalists who wrote that scathing book about him.

[robinhoodnik]

I think that the rules are different for those in the public forum.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

If I was accused of saying that Barry didn't do steroids, yes, I would be the first to say that I never said that.
Past participle of a present sentence inclines a present conjugation - therefore you reply " I would be first to say I HAVE never said that" otherwise it is "double affarmative"...:rolleyes:

[FRENCHREDSOX]

the two journalists who wrote that scathing book about him.
He lost...already in a civil suit:)

[HoustonGM]

Past participle of a present sentence inclines a present conjugation - therefore you reply " I would be first to say I HAVE never said that" otherwise it is "double affarmative"...:rolleyes:
Is there really a need to correct every little tiny grammar error? The point is there. This isn't a college thesis. It's a casual forum.

[dupont24]

I think it's nice to readable posts, though.

[robinhoodnik]

I think it's nice to readable posts, though.

...:D

[HoustonGM]

It'd be different if my posts were unreadable, but he's correct silly minor grammar mistakes, things that you're not even going to notice unless you're actively seeking them out.

Watch, I can do it, too, on the very post he was correcting me with:

There should be a comma after therefore. There shouldn't be a space after the first quotation. Affirmative is spelled incorrectly.

There's absolutely no need to pick apart the grammar of posts, so long as their understandable. These posts aren't written for English class. Do we correct each other's grammar mistakes that occur continually through everyday conversation? No, because we don't speak with perfect grammar. This is just a casual message board. There's no need for 100% perfect grammar. Some of FRS's post are hard on the eyes because of excessive use of bolding, italics, underlining, and quotations. None of those are crorect grammar. Does anybody go around correcting every little mistake he makes? No. So quit doing it to me.

[dupont24]

This is not IRC. This is forum of educated sports fans. What is wrong with using proper grammar and spelling? Besides, the less sloppy a post is written, the more intelligent the poster appears. When I see poor grammar and spelling, boomboom's for instance, I immediately begin to subconsciously have a negative view on the poster. FRS gets a little more of a pass on the grammar issue because he is more personable forum user: people are less hostile towards him.

[HoustonGM]

This is not IRC. This is forum of educated sports fans. What is wrong with using proper grammar and spelling?
Nothing. I try my best to use proper grammar and spelling, but to nitpick tiny little things and then talk down to the person for using "that" instead of "have" or whatever is just an unnecessary waste of time.


Besides, the less sloppy a post is written, the more intelligent the poster appears. When I see poor grammar and spelling, boomboom's for instance, I immediately begin to subconsciously have a negative view on the poster.
Well, that's something you'll have to take up with yourself. Yes, good grammar and spelling make posts appear more presentable and intelligent, but so long as you get the point, there's no need to correct every tiny little mistake like you're an English teacher.


FRS gets a little more of a pass on the grammar issue because he is more personable forum user: people are less hostile towards him.
lol. So, for dupont24, you're only allowed to use poor grammar if you're "personable" and "people aren't hostile towards you."

:rolleyes:

[FRENCHREDSOX]

There should be a comma after therefore.Wrong - therefore you reply, is correct as it is a common sentence...
There shouldn't be a space after the first quotation. Why ?
Affirmative is spelled incorrectly.Correct sir,my apologies!


There's absolutely no need to pick apart the grammar of posts, so long as their understandable. These posts aren't written for English class. Do we correct each other's grammar mistakes that occur continually through everyday conversation? No, because we don't speak with perfect grammar. This is just a casual message board. There's no need for 100% perfect grammar. Some of FRS's post are hard on the eyes because of excessive use of bolding, italics, underlining, and quotations. None of those are crorect grammar. Does anybody go around correcting every little mistake he makes? No. So quit doing it to me.I simply pointed OUT that your answer as it was stated, was a "double affirmative", when you mean't a negative.Q.E.D.,as you rightly said,we are on message board whereby a "message" is sent so that IT IS CORRECTLY understood....& yes I use emphasis (as anyone/everyone does) to substantiate ideas.

[dupont24]

No. Not at all. I'm just saying well-liked users get less flak than the more hostile users.

[HoustonGM]

Using "that" rather than "have" doesn't make the point unable to be understood. It's such a minor thing that there is no need to point it out. If we all pointed out everybody's minor grammar mistakes, especially those that we use in everyday language that aren't actually proper grammar, the forums would be an utter mess of corrections. It's entirely unneeded. This isn't a grammar forum. It's a baseball forum. As long as you understand what the person is saying, there is no need to pick out little tiny mistakes. If you don't understand what the person is saying, than ask them to clarify.

[HoustonGM]

No. Not at all. I'm just saying well-liked users get less flak than the more hostile users.
It's not my fault that I'm not well-liked because I take the minority stance on hot-button issues. Whether I'm well-liked or not, to pick apart every little grammar mistake ANYBODY makes is just silly and unneeded. You used "LOL" in the first post of this thread. That's certainly not proper grammar. But, who cares? It's an Internet message board. We get what you mean. You don't need an English lesson after every post you make.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

lol. So, for dupont24, you're only allowed to use poor grammar if you're "personable" and "people aren't hostile towards you."

:rolleyes:

No,I know WHAT words MEAN....sense-wise & synonymously,therefore I may make "errors" typing wise BUT the meaning is correct.:)

[HoustonGM]

I know what words mean too. My meaning was perfectly fine. I'm just not making my posts proper for a college-level thesis, who cares? It was perfectly understandable. There's no need to dissect every post of mine and use grammar terms to tell me what I did wrong. It's useless. This isn't English class.

[dupont24]

Actually, IRC acronyms are gaining acceptance. The reason I used, 'LOL' was because if I said, 'I actually laughed out loud at you claiming ohm's point as your own' you would have taken it as an insult.

[HoustonGM]

Actually, IRC acronyms are gaining acceptance. The reason I used, 'LOL' was because if I said, 'I actually laughed out loud at you claiming ohm's point as your own' you would have taken it as an insult.
I wouldn't have taken insult, and I was not referring to the other thread, where, if you hadn't noticed, I laughed along with you because I had a slip of mind. I was referring to the first post in this thread.

Sure, acronyms have "gained acceptance", but ones such as "lol" are not proper grammar, but THAT DOESN'T MATTER, because THIS ISN'T ENGLISH CLASS. Just as my use of "that" instead of "have" when it's perfectly understandable as is doesn't matter here on these forums, and only would matter in English class.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

It's not my fault that I'm not well-liked because I take the minority stance on hot-button issues. Whether I'm well-liked or not, to pick apart every little grammar mistake ANYBODY makes is just silly and unneeded. You used "LOL" in the first post of this thread. That's certainly not proper grammar. But, who cares? It's an Internet message board. We get what you mean. You don't need an English lesson after every post you make.

HGM it was NOT an English or "American" lesson (*joke*) you used a DOUBLE AFFIRMATIVE.A double affirmative,in any language,means a "negative" & I pointed out,simply that it was the opposite of what you intended (maybe a reason why some of your posts get such heated responses....;) )

[HoustonGM]

I would be the first to say that I never said that.

It's perfectly fine. It means exactly what I meant to say. You understood it. It's fine. There's no need to give me a grammar lesson.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I would be the first to say that I never said that.

It's perfectly fine. It means exactly what I meant to say.

Actually I did not,I assumed.Also the assumption came from reading the WHOLE thread which your co-writers & readers DO NOT always do. :) & re-:)

[HoustonGM]

What exactly did you think I meant then? What else could I have possibly meant?

[DontTreadOnMe]

Omg!

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Omg!

lol :D :D :D

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, it's quite ridiculous, isn't it? Leave the grammar lessons to English class.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

What exactly did you think I meant then? What else could I have possibly meant?

" A not inconsiderable number of strength tests were carried out before the
adhesive materials were selected." Means or doesn't not mean??

" A non inconsiquential number of strength tests were carried out before the
adhesive materials were selected." Means or doesn't not mean??


btw 1 makes sense ...

[robinhoodnik]

This is not IRC. This is forum of educated sports fans. What is wrong with using proper grammar and spelling? Besides, the less sloppy a post is written, the more intelligent the poster appears. When I see poor grammar and spelling, boomboom's for instance, I immediately begin to subconsciously have a negative view on the poster. FRS gets a little more of a pass on the grammar issue because he is more personable forum user: people are less hostile towards him.

He's also French, and living in France, and therefore not using the English language as often as the rest of us. Leaving alone that fact that he's not speaking it, but typing it.

[Brandon21]

This is all I can say.

[dupont24]

He's also French, and living in France, and therefore not using the English language as often as the rest of us. Leaving alone that fact that he's not speaking it, but typing it.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. Heh.

[DontTreadOnMe]

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. Heh.

I think he was talking about you cutting some slack on French because he is more personable.

:cool:

[dupont24]

This is all I can say.

Hrm, 'Even the Kittens'? Wasn't that a thread in dynasties? Come on, that one was funny.

[DontTreadOnMe]

Aww, Kittens can save any thread!

[nuzzy62]

wow, this thread got off topic.

What about that new team barry has?

[HoustonGM]

" A not inconsiderable number of strength tests were carried out before the
adhesive materials were selected." Means or doesn't not mean??

" A non inconsiquential number of strength tests were carried out before the
adhesive materials were selected." Means or doesn't not mean??


btw 1 makes sense ...
Doesn't answer my question.

[dupont24]

Doesn't answer my question.

Which question... there were more than one...

[HoustonGM]

The questions he quoted. It's the same question phrased two different ways.

[Touro73]

What does anything of this have to do with the new legal team of Barry Bonds ? Do they also use bad grammar ? :confused:

[dupont24]

What does anything of this have to do with the new legal team of Barry Bonds ? Do they also use bad grammar ? :confused:

Heh, I hope so.

[dupont24]

The questions he quoted. It's the same question phrased two different ways.

Didn't answer which of YOUR questions...

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Didn't answer which of YOUR questions...

Actually it was my question & he didn't answer which ONE was incorrect.... but hey that is confusion for you . :)

[ltt]

Wrong - therefore you reply, is correct as it is a common sentence...

However, there should have been a comma after reply in the original post preceding the quotation. And "therefore you reply," in the above sentence should be in quotes. And there is no need for the trailing ellipsis in the above sentence.


I simply pointed OUT that your answer as it was stated, was a "double affirmative", when you mean't a negative.Q.E.D.,as you rightly said,we are on message board whereby a "message" is sent so that IT IS CORRECTLY understood....& yes I use emphasis (as anyone/everyone does) to substantiate ideas.

only there is no such thing as a double affirmative, at least not in any grammatical resource I currently have access to. A double negative is improper speech because negating a negative statement implies the positive antithesis. "Doubling" an affirmative would simply emphasize the initial affirmative statement, not serve to negate the affirmative intent.

Mathematically speaking, a double negative is:

-1 * -1 = +1

a "double affirmative" is just:

+1 * +1 = +1

while you're claiming that:

+1 * +1 = -1

which is false.

And I'll preemptively note that I began and ended many of my sentences in this post with prepositions.

because I can.

[ltt]

" A not inconsiderable number of strength tests were carried out before the
adhesive materials were selected." Means or doesn't not mean??

" A non inconsiquential number of strength tests were carried out before the
adhesive materials were selected." Means or doesn't not mean??


btw 1 makes sense ...

1: means "a considerable number of tests were carried out before..."

2: means "a consequential number of tests were carried out before..."

both are perfectly deciperable, though I'm not sure that "a consequential number of tests" is a particualry elegant phrasing.

[DontTreadOnMe]

:eek::eek::eek:

[HoustonGM]

What does anything of this have to do with the new legal team of Barry Bonds ? Do they also use bad grammar ?
What do minor grammar mistakes have anything to do with a baseball message board? Exactly. Nothing. That's why there's no need to correct every minor mistake.


Didn't answer which of YOUR questions...
THE ONES HE QUOTED:

What exactly did you think I meant then? What else could I have possibly meant?

Actually it was my question & he didn't answer which ONE was incorrect.... but hey that is confusion for you
Because you replied to MY question with an irrelevent question. You didn't answer my question.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

1: means "a considerable number of tests were carried out before..."

2: means "a consequential number of tests were carried out before..."

both are perfectly deciperable, though I'm not sure that "a consequential number of tests" is a particualry elegant phrasing.

1 is FALSE as it is a DOUBLE negative as NOT is definitive statement,2 is TRUE as there is a possibility of variation,in the sense "non" is not an affirmation..:)


P.S. the point was a "badly phrased" post can & will lead to mis-interpretations WHICH HGM does not want to concede ;)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Mathematically speaking, a double negative is:

-1 * -1 = +1

a "double affirmative" is just:

+1 * +1 = +1

while you're claiming that:

+1 * +1 = -1

which is false.

.

You are right !!! Sorry my error.:)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Because you replied to MY question with an irrelevent question. You didn't answer my question.

Oh sorry,anything from a POSITIVE to a NEFAST reasoning...:) & re-:)

[HoustonGM]

P.S. the point was a "badly phrased" post can & will lead to mis-interpretations WHICH HGM does not want to concede ;)
Please show me exactly where I said that a badly phrased post won't lead to some misinterpretations. I'd love to know where I said that.

All I said was that there was no reason to pick apart a sentence that was perfectly understandable. The sentence you dissected had one and only one meaning. I've asked you to provide what else it could possibly have meant, and you've completely dodged the question. It may not have been perfect 100% textbook English grammar, but it wasn't badly phrased to the point that it could not be understood, as you seem to be implying. If it was so bad, you'd be able to tell me what else it could have meant besides "If I was accused of saying that Bonds was innocent, then yes, I would be the first to say, "I never said Bonds was innocent.""

[nuzzy62]

I think Barry's new legal team is in for a rough ride.

[boomboom]

Just be carefull what you post. Barry might sue you...lol

[boomboom]

I am going to split this thread into two. I have to get firefox because my english isn't so good. ;)

(I actually have some difficultities* sounding out words in english due to a hearing problem. )... my bad. :(

*Spell check please.

[robinhoodnik]

One should be called Grammar. We have to be careful, we don't want it becoming a gramma, or grandma thread. ;)

[RickD]

y'all got me cunfuzed wit all dis talk bout mi grandma! wat she dun ta y'all?

[RickD]

Can we also cut HGM some slack. Lately it seems like every thread is turning into an HGM bash fest!

[boomboom]

"...When I see poor grammar and spelling, boomboom's for instance, I immediately begin to subconsciously have a negative view on the poster. FRS gets a little more of a pass on the grammar issue because he is more personable forum user: people are less hostile towards him.

I have to agree with you on this dupont24. Bad Grammar is negitive and gives a bad first impressions. If you go to a (first date, job interview) how are people going to look at you if you come in looking like you just spent the last 2 years on the street. They will have impressions on you even before they get to know you. In an online community, grammar is the first impression you see with a person. Unfortually for me this is something I need to work on. I could read more. I could try a little harder to present myself with using proper grammar. But I don't. So I deserve any bashing of grammer but at the same time. HoustonGm brings up a great point. This isn't college class. This isn't english class.

This is a forum, where slang is used, acronums are used....it is the way we talk in our heads... not an english class. I also agree that when people don't use proper english in there post. It makes it really hard to read. At the same time. I didn't like how FRS totally nipicked Houston when in fact houston wrote in semi-correct. And it was 100% correct in slang. This type of thing shouldn't be posted. But maybe a reminder via PM, or AIM would be more appreciated.

[RickD]

white on cuz ya got it goin good nowe!

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I have to agree with you on this dupont24. Bad Grammar is negitive and gives a bad first impressions. If you go to a (first date, job interview) how are people going to look at you if you come in looking like you just spent the last 2 years on the street. They will have impressions on you even before they get to know you. In an online community, grammar is the first impression you see with a person. Unfortually for me this is something I need to work on. I could read more. I could try a little harder to present myself with using proper grammar. But I don't. So I deserve any bashing of grammer but at the same time. HoustonGm brings up a great point. This isn't college class. This isn't english class.

This is a forum, where slang is used, acronums are used....it is the way we talk in our heads... not an english class. I also agree that when people don't use proper english in there post. It makes it really hard to read. At the same time. I didn't like how FRS totally nipicked Houston when in fact houston wrote in semi-correct. And it was 100% correct in slang. This type of thing shouldn't be posted. But maybe a reminder via PM, or AIM would be more appreciated.
Firstly,Bobby,it was a question that I posed to HGM which he expanded into an argument.
Secondly,I did PM HGM & still haven't received 24 (or is it 48??) hours later a reply.
Thirdly,I posted this :



HGM it was NOT an English or "American" lesson (*joke*) ...... I pointed out,simply that it was the opposite of what you intended (maybe a reason why some of your posts get such heated responses....;) )

Fourthly,this is an "international" message board (I believe) & sometimes a mis -"written" phrase can lead to confusion rather than the intended message being conveyed.

[Rongar]

Past participle of a present sentence inclines a present conjugation - therefore you reply " I would be first to say I HAVE never said that" otherwise it is "double affarmative"...:rolleyes:

I think that Houston was being whimsical, rather than "correct"

[Rongar]

wow, this thread got off topic.

What about that new team barry has?


Barry who?....what team was that? :)

[Rongar]

What does anything of this have to do with the new legal team of Barry Bonds ? Do they also use bad grammar ? :confused:

Lol.

[RickD]

I don't LOL I lolly gag!

[Rongar]

I think Barry's new legal team is in for a rough ride.

There you go...getting off topic, again!:)

[RickD]

tell'em thar rongar!

[HoustonGM]

Firstly,Bobby,it was a question that I posed to HGM which he expanded into an argument.
Here is the quote that started this all:

Past participle of a present sentence inclines a present conjugation - therefore you reply " I would be first to say I HAVE never said that" otherwise it is "double affarmative"...:rolleyes:
This is not a question that you posed to me which I made into an argument. This is nitpicking my grammar and giving me an unnecessary English lesson.


Secondly,I did PM HGM & still haven't received 24 (or is it 48??) hours later a reply.
Because you sent the PM 15 minutes prior to correcting my English, so I didn't think that the PM was regarding this instance, as this happened after the PM was sent.


Thirdly,I posted this :
HGM it was NOT an English or "American" lesson (*joke*) ...... I pointed out,simply that it was the opposite of what you intended (maybe a reason why some of your posts get such heated responses.... )
Except, it wasn't the opposite of what I intended. It said what I intended perfectly. There is no way that what I said can be taken any other way.


Fourthly,this is an "international" message board (I believe) & sometimes a mis -"written" phrase can lead to confusion rather than the intended message being conveyed.
Yes, it's an international message board where 99.9% of the users, even if they're from another country, post in English. When somebody reads what I said that you originally corrected, there is only one possible meaning to it. It cannot possibly be misinterpreted. The only thing is that it's not 100% proper thesis-level English. It's not like I made a statement that was hard to understand or written oddly. It's a minor grammar mistake that nealry everybody makes it every day conversation.


I think that Houston was being whimsical, rather than "correct"
Exactly. I was typing how I talk casually, not how I would be if I was typing up an English paper for college. I'd honestly hate reading these message boards if we all had to type with 100% proper grammar.

[mtg712]

i received a letter today from a law firm from San Fransisco and it basically reads as followed: You are being served with an official summons to appear in civil court on oct. 18th 2007. the case is officially listed as Bonds vs. MTG. im being sued for telling the truth.

[dupont24]

I have to agree with you on this dupont24. Bad Grammar is negitive and gives a bad first impressions. If you go to a (first date, job interview) how are people going to look at you if you come in looking like you just spent the last 2 years on the street. They will have impressions on you even before they get to know you. In an online community, grammar is the first impression you see with a person. Unfortually for me this is something I need to work on. I could read more. I could try a little harder to present myself with using proper grammar. But I don't. So I deserve any bashing of grammer but at the same time. HoustonGm brings up a great point. This isn't college class. This isn't english class.

This is a forum, where slang is used, acronums are used....it is the way we talk in our heads... not an english class. I also agree that when people don't use proper english in there post. It makes it really hard to read. At the same time. I didn't like how FRS totally nipicked Houston when in fact houston wrote in semi-correct. And it was 100% correct in slang. This type of thing shouldn't be posted. But maybe a reminder via PM, or AIM would be more appreciated.

Good points.

[robinhoodnik]

I have at times had to stop and think about WTF HGM is posting. The meaning often isn't clear, and rarely is he putting up a concise post. Truthfully, I now just skip over whatever HGM has posted unless it's the direct cause of an arguement. My two pennies worth.

[dupont24]

I have at times had to stop and think about WTF HGM is posting. The meaning often isn't clear, and rarely is he putting up a concise post. Truthfully, I now just skip over whatever HGM has posted unless it's the direct cause of an arguement. My two pennies worth.

Yeah, but that's a different subject than poor spelling and poorly constructed sentences. Houston does, at times, make posts that I need to 'translate' to figure out the point of his post. However, and I myself am guilty in this, we don't need to correct when the point doesn't need to be 'translated'.

[HoustonGM]

Nobody makes 100% perfectly understandable posts. Sure, I've made some mistakes, and some of my posts have been unclear, but that goes for every single poster on this forum. There is no need to CORRECT tiny little grammar mistakes WHICH DON'T make the post hard to understand. If there's something you don't understand, ask for clarification. If there's a major grammar mistake that changes the entire post to a different meaning or makes it unable to be understood, kindly point it out, instead of correcting it in a condescending manner. There's no need to pick apart tiny little grammar mistakes that don't make the post hard to understand.

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, but that's a different subject than poor spelling and poorly constructed sentences. Houston does, at times, make posts that I need to 'translate' to figure out the point of his post. However, and I myself am guilty in this, we don't need to correct when the point doesn't need to be 'translated'.
Thank you.

[RickD]

I agree with HGM. IF there is a point in anyone's posts that someone does not understand why not ask instead of mudslinging or nitpicking? Secondly I am from TN and though I know proper English I like to talk in a relaxed casual style. Nothing gets me more irritated then to have someone belittle me on my English. Truthfully that is what it is. If you want to help someone PM them and ask if you could point something out in regards to their English. If they say no drop it. To point it out in a public forum is just belittling that person and trying to make yourself appear better!

[HoustonGM]

The thing is, if I was doing a paper for school, I'm try my hardest to put it in proper grammar, and I'd reread it a couple times and fix any mistakes. On a forum like this, I'm not going to meticulously proofread my posts and make it so the grammar would receive an A+ in school. I'm going to talk in casual manner.

[boomboom]

The thing is, if I was doing a paper for school, I'm try my hardest to put it in proper grammar, and I'd reread it a couple times and fix any mistakes. On a forum like this, I'm not going to meticulously proofread my posts and make it so the grammar would receive an A+ in school. I'm going to talk in casual manner.

I think we have not only beaten the horse but actually killed it in the process.

[robinhoodnik]

The thing is, if I was doing a paper for school, I'm try my hardest to put it in proper grammar, and I'd reread it a couple times and fix any mistakes. On a forum like this, I'm not going to meticulously proofread my posts and make it so the grammar would receive an A+ in school. I'm going to talk in casual manner.

I do it, I'm sure that others do it as well. If you don't feel it's worth your time to make sure you put together a coherent post for the rest of us to read, then why would you expect to have our respect. You're showing an incredible lack of respect for the rest of us with a statement like that. We're not worth the short time it'll take you to re-read a message board post for syntax errors?

[RickD]

It's so fun to see moderators going at each other in a public forum. Seriously can you guys PM these disputes!

[robinhoodnik]

It's so fun to see moderators going at each other in a public forum. Seriously can you guys PM these disputes!

Yes, we can.

[RickD]

THanks

[DontTreadOnMe]

Can we also cut HGM some slack. Lately it seems like every thread is turning into an HGM bash fest!

It's so fun to see brown-nosers kissing up to moderators on a public forum. Seriously can you guys PM these displays of affection!

[RickD]

Pointing out that there seems to be a general attack on one moderator is not brown-nosing. Esp since HGM does not seem to be popular right now. I could see you saying that if I was defending Robin or Ohms! I just don't like seeing anyone getting beat down continuosly. I am sure by saying this I am laying myself open to the same animosity but it just seems like of late there has been a lot of HGM bashing.

[mtg712]

I think we have not only beaten the horse but actually killed it in the process.

at least vick didnt do it.

[Wassit3]

I think we have not only beaten the horse but actually killed it in the process.

at least you didn't have the horses fight each other first...

[Wassit3]

at least vick didnt do it.

:D

[RickD]

at least you didn't have the horses fight each other first...

Burying them would be a lot harder! :D

[robinhoodnik]

THanks

Didn't say we would. ;)

Just extending your entertainment dollar a little bit farther.

[RickD]

sigh. :p

[HoustonGM]

I do it, I'm sure that others do it as well. If you don't feel it's worth your time to make sure you put together a coherent post for the rest of us to read, then why would you expect to have our respect. You're showing an incredible lack of respect for the rest of us with a statement like that. We're not worth the short time it'll take you to re-read a message board post for syntax errors?
Never said that. But I'm not going to make it so that it would receive an A+ in English class. This is a casual forum. The statement that started this whole ridiculous thing was perfectly understandable and coherent. It did not need to be corrected unless I was typing up an English essay.

I PMed robin about keeping stuff like that to PMs for the very reason that it's never good to have moderators openly having disputes outside of being on separate sides of a debate.

[robinhoodnik]

I PMed robin about keeping stuff like that to PMs for the very reason that it's never good to have moderators openly having disputes outside of being on separate sides of a debate.

Yes, because you're the responsible one, as always. My last post here.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

The thing is, if I was doing a paper for school, I'm try my hardest to put it in proper grammar, and I'd reread it a couple times and fix any mistakes. On a forum like this, I'm not going to meticulously proofread my posts and make it so the grammar would receive an A+ in school. I'm going to talk in casual manner.

Interesting that you have sssoooo little value for other posters' posts that you don't check your own replies WHICH was the very point I was making.Sometimes a mis-written post can lead to the opposite of what was intended by the original poster.This sums up what I feel:


I do it, I'm sure that others do it as well. If you don't feel it's worth your time to make sure you put together a coherent post for the rest of us to read, then why would you expect to have our respect. You're showing an incredible lack of respect for the rest of us with a statement like that. We're not worth the short time it'll take you to re-read a message board post for syntax errors?


Fun to read,though. :) & re-:).

End of subject for me.

[dupont24]

Pointing out that there seems to be a general attack on one moderator is not brown-nosing. Esp since HGM does not seem to be popular right now. I could see you saying that if I was defending Robin or Ohms! I just don't like seeing anyone getting beat down continuosly. I am sure by saying this I am laying myself open to the same animosity but it just seems like of late there has been a lot of HGM bashing.

Bashing? Are you ****ing serious?

[HoustonGM]

Interesting that you have sssoooo little value for other posters' posts that you don't check your own replies WHICH was the very point I was making.
Do you check your own replies? Because, this is one of your posts:

He is targeting WHOEVER is "pointing a finger" & as such is using "the best defence is attack" theory.Actually,preety smart & effetive,for now.
Defence, if I'm not mistaken, is spelled differently in France and other countries, so that's fine. Preety, effetive, no spaces after periods and commas...hm....


Sometimes a mis-written post can lead to the opposite of what was intended by the original poster.
Yes, I agree. However, my post that started this debacle could not have possibly meant anything other than ONE thing. It could not have meant the opposite of what I was saying. You have completely ignored me every time I've asked you to tell me what else it could have meant. And considering doing your little "my last post here" thing, I guess I'll never get an answer. If you were truly interested in educating me on my grammar, you could at least respond to my questions I have regarding why my sentence was so wrong and how it could possibly have been misinterpreted. But, I don't think you actually care about my grammar. It's just that since I've been on the opposite side of most debates than the majority recently, I'm getting attacked left and right for any little morsel of ammunition anyone can find, and it's really pathetic.

[boomboom]

FRS and Houston. Stop now with this non-sense.

Houston, sometimes not posting is the best thing, as well with FRS.

[wood34]

If this sounds like baiting or something, feel free to delete it:

Houston, ever since you have become a moderator, you seem to feel a need to post in every thread, especially when some one has different thoughts on a subject than you do. Every topic ends up being a "HGM vs *somebody*" thread. I for one, am really annoyed by these fights.

I agree with what boomboom said. Sometimes not posting is the best thing.

[ohms_law]

FRS and Houston. Stop now with this non-sense.

Houston, sometimes not posting is the best thing, as well with FRS.
yea, no kidding...


ever since you have become a moderator, you seem to feel a need to post in every thread,
lol
HGM hasn't changed a bit.
;)

[wood34]

yea, no kidding...


lol
HGM hasn't changed a bit.
;)

He posted a lot, but he didn't seem to post just to disagree with everyone

[RickD]

I still don't think he posts just to disagree but that he actually disagrees. That's not bad just puts him on opposite sides then many who are posting in these controversial threads. Disagreeing is ok. I think it is just that everyone has such passion about where they stand.

[HoustonGM]

What? I'm not supposed to defend myself? Like this. I get accused of stuff, and I'm just supposed to let it go? These are harsh accusations, and I should have a right to defend myself against them.

I post in a lot of threads, yeah. So do many other people. I've always been a very active poster. This is a forum. On a forum, you post your thoughts and opinions on different subject matters. This is what I do. I do not post JUST to start a fight or disagree. I post my thoughts on a particular subject. I'm not on the minority side of the steroid issues just because it'll cause arguments. This is the way I feel.


Houston, ever since you have become a moderator, you seem to feel a need to post in every thread, especially when some one has different thoughts on a subject than you do. Every topic ends up being a "HGM vs *somebody*" thread. I for one, am really annoyed by these fights.
I'm going to assume you're talking specifically about the threads in Sports Talk, as elsewhere, it clearly isn't like this. The reason it seems as though every topic ends up being "HGM vs. somebody" is because I'm the most active poster on my side of these issues. There are a few other posters that are less active that agree with me, but they post far less, and thus, they don't appear as being in a "1 vs. 1" type argument. I post often. I have a differing opinion. I debate my opinion on a thread in which debate is going to be generated because the topics are such hot-button issues. I'm not going to silence my own beliefs just because they differ from the majority of the people in the threads. If stating my opinions, and defending my position, means that I post "just to disagree" then so be it. I'm not going to change that. My opinions are what they are.


I think it is just that everyone has such passion about where they stand.
Exactly. Especially with the issues that have caused all these arguments. This is an issue that generates heat on both sides of the argument, as people on both sides have very strong feelings on the subject. Take educated baseball fans, put them in a room, and tell them to discuss steroids, and it's like sitting five athiests across from five Christian Fundamentalists and telling them to debate religion. It's going to cause passionate arguments.

I gaurentee you that if I was on the opposite side of these issues than I am, these threads wouldn't go the route they've gone simply because there is no longer an active poster that disagrees. For all the smack that's talked about me not letting people disagree with me (which is untrue), I'm getting accused of stuff left and right BECAUSE I disagree.

[ohms_law]

What? I'm not supposed to defend myself? Like this. I get accused of stuff, and I'm just supposed to let it go? These are harsh accusations, and I should have a right to defend myself against them.
It's not that you shouldn't participate or defend yourself, it's just that after a certain point it becomes obvious what the stances of everyone involved are and further posts simply become argumentative even if their not intended to be.

The thing is, it's hardly just you. There are several others who would be well advised to take this advice as well. Silence, at the proper time, can be a devastatingly effective argument all on it's own.

Anyway, carry on...

[FRENCHREDSOX]

If this sounds like baiting or something, feel free to delete it:

Houston, ever since you have become a moderator, you seem to feel a need to post in every thread, especially when some one has different thoughts on a subject than you do. Every topic ends up being a "HGM vs *somebody*" thread. I for one, am really annoyed by these fights.

I agree with what boomboom said. Sometimes not posting is the best thing.

;)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

FRS and Houston. Stop now with this non-sense.

Houston, sometimes not posting is the best thing, as well with FRS.

Bobby I do (that is why I let a lot go & state often this or that post is my last post - knowing fully well that X or Y poster will continue to post & deform my post but that is OK with me ,I find it funny that some "can't leave sleeping dogs lie".)


btw - LAST post on this "silly" subject :) & re-:).

[wood34]

It's not that you shouldn't participate or defend yourself, it's just that after a certain point it becomes obvious what the stances of everyone involved are and further posts simply become argumentative even if their not intended to be.

The thing is, it's hardly just you. There are several others who would be well advised to take this advice as well. Silence, at the proper time, can be a devastatingly effective argument all on it's own.

Anyway, carry on...

You're right. Houston isn't the only one.

I just chose to direct this at him because he seems to be involved more often. (However, being an extremely active poster explains that)

[boomboom]

Thread is locked. Only moderators can post in it. This is a stupid thread, and this ganging up on HoustonGM is bad for the forums. HoustonGM don't put yourself in position to be bashed. slowrx7, is back in 3 hours. He is on a short leash. If he does do anything even small. I will ban him permanately.