Hof

[asianinvasion]

Has anyone ever seen a player that has been inducted to the hall of fame with 100% of the votes? the highest ive ever gotten was 99%

[boomboom]

I don't think any player has ever gotten in with 99% of the vote...even going back to the first ballot. Not even Babe Ruth got in 100%.

For a 100% vote, you have to go all the way back to George Washington.

[asianinvasion]

i meant in the game

[boomboom]

yes, the same as well.

[RickD]

I've been playing from 1923 until 1950 and I've had 87 HOF picks and 15 have 99% but no 100%.

[asianinvasion]

ive been playing from 1960 to 2023 and had 107 picks and 23 99% but none at 100%

[OldFatGuy]

Didn't Cal Ripken receive 100% IRL???

[robinhoodnik]

No. Not even Ripken, or Ryan, or Mays, or Aaron.........:(

[HoustonGM]

Nobody receives 100% because there's the idiotic sportswriters that refuse to vote for anyone on their first ballot, even if they will vote for that player in the second year. It's ginger snaps.

[robinhoodnik]

Here's the Wiki list wich looks to be accurate at a quick glance. The list by percentage of votes. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hall_of_Fame_Voting_Percentages)

EDIT: The most recent on this list is 2005

[asianinvasion]

thats true

wasnt ripkin really close though like 1 or 2 votes away

[robinhoodnik]

The highest vote percentage ever went to Tom Seaver, was left off of 5 ballots in 1992. According to Jeff Idelson, an executive at the Hall of Fame:

“Three voters submitted blank ballots in protest of Pete Rose (for not being on the ballot),” Idelson says. “Another, following open-heart surgery, overlooked Seaver after filling out his ballot, and a fifth said he didn’t vote for first-time eligibles. Seaver should have missed by one, assuming four of the five would have voted for him.”

Pretty sad isn't it?

[HoustonGM]

thats true

wasnt ripkin really close though like 1 or 2 votes away
"On January 9, 2007 it was announced that Ripken had received 537 of 545 votes for the Hall of Fame."

[OldFatGuy]

Nobody receives 100% because there's the idiotic sportswriters that refuse to vote for anyone on their first ballot, even if they will vote for that player in the second year. It's retarded.


No. Not even Ripken, or Ryan, or Mays, or Aaron.........:(

Well, then I guess BM is doing a great job of simulating the realism of that aspect anyway.:)

[HoustonGM]

I think it's kind of crazy that Cal Ripken received a higher percentage of the vote than Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Hank Aaron, etc.

[OldFatGuy]

I think it's kind of crazy that Cal Ripken received a higher percentage of the vote than Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Hank Aaron, etc.

I would like someone in the media to approach those guys that have votes and have them publicly answer why they should have a right to a vote in the Baseball HOF while defending NOT voting for any one of the above individuals for said HOF.

[HoustonGM]

Lol

[robinhoodnik]

11 voters left off Ruth, 9 didn't choose Aaron, 23 thought that Willie freakin' Mays wasn't a first timer, 20 left Ted Williams off, and an astounding 57 thought Yogi Berra wasn't worthy.

[HoustonGM]

There's something we can all agree on.

Hall of Fame voters are moronic.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Nobody receives 100% because there's the idiotic sportswriters that refuse to vote for anyone on their first ballot,It is a democracy & a CHOICE - calling someone who has been WRITING & watching baseball for 20+ years this is uncomplementary.



even if they will vote for that player in the second year. It's retarded.That is insulting both to the writers' & the mentally handicapped (I have a cousin who is mentally handicapped & she is the kindest & most honest hard working person I know,it IS NOT her fault that she was born with a defect!):mad:

[HoustonGM]

Or maybe not...



It is a democracy & a CHOICE - calling someone who has been WRITING & watching baseball for 20+ years this is uncomplementary.
So? We HAVE to ALWAYS compliment someone that's been writing/watching baseball for 20 years, and we can't ever say bad things about them?

Voting to leave a guy like Hank Aaron out of the Hall of Fame is flatout stupid. Sure, they have the right too. Who cares? Doesn't make it any less dumb.


That is insulting both to the writers' & the mentally handicapped (I have a cousin who is mentally handicapped & she is the kindest & most honest hard working person I know,it IS NOT her fault that she was born with a defect!):mad:
I'm sorry. I'm not using retarded in the sense of mentally handicapped, and in no way am I implying that those who actually have mental retardation cannot live great lives. So I apologize for my choice of words.

However, I am intending to insult the writers though, as it is a completely moronic decision to make to always leave a player off the ballot in his first year, no matter who that player is. The player is either a HOFer or he isn't. If you think he is, vote for him. If you don't think he is, don't vote for him. And clearly, there are some players who are absolutely no matter what hall of famers - like Hank Aaron, Tom Seaver, etc.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

as it is a completely moronic decision to make

& you continue to insult the mentally handicapped,JHC,have you no respect??

:mad:


m.oron was originally a scientific term, coined by psychologist Henry H. Goddard from the Greek word moros meaning "dull" (as opposed to sharp) and used to describe a person with a mental age between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale. It was also once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70 and was a step up from "imbecile" (IQ of 26-50) and two steps up from "idiot" (IQ of 0-25). The word m.oron, along with "retarded" and "feeble-minded" (among others), was once considered a valid descriptor in the psychological community

[HoustonGM]

& you continue to insult the mentally handicapped,JHC,have you no respect??

:mad:
First of all, I never insulted the mentally handicapped in the first place. I used a term that can be used to describe the mentally handicapped in a different context, one that can be used as a synonym for "stupid." I recognize that it can be considered disrespectful to the mentally handicapped, and apologized, as it doesn't really have any other definiton outside of the mentally handicapped.

However, mor on(which is apparantly censored here?), has two definitions, one of which is:

a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.
This is the word I am using to insult the sportswriters, not the mentally retarded.

Retarded doesn't have such a definition, so I apologized for using it.

[ltt]

& you continue to insult the mentally handicapped,JHC,have you no respect??

:mad:

I am deeply offended by your veiled taking of the Lord's name in vain.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

However, mor on(which is apparantly censored here?), has two definitions, one of which is:

This is the word I am using to insult the sportswriters, not the mentally retarded.

Retarded doesn't have such a definition, so I apologized for using it.

this is from
American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary -
mo·ron (môrn)
n.

A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

mo·ronic (m-rnk, mô-) adj.
moronism or mo·roni·ty (m-rn-t, mô-) n

& even if you do not intend to be offensive you are!! As said I have family (& I assume others too) that have Downs syndrome or an aother mental handicap.

I know of 1 forum USER who has a dysfunction.I you find writer's choices are "poor" or stupid then that is your call,but I repeat using "retarded" or "mo.ron" is & always will be INSULTING in my(& others') eyes. :(



My final Post on this subject

[PSXtreme]

bleh...sticks and stones may break your bones...but names will never hurt me.

The idiotic reason why these select sportswriters leave off shoe-in canidates is all about the EGO. They know that for a few days, they will be the center of discussion and get face/air time on the talk shows and ESPN.

[HoustonGM]

The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
Yes, it is considered "offensive." Meaning, it is now used as an INSULT. I am using it as an insult against the sportwriters.

Seriously, this is ridiculous. No matter where I post, you have to find SOMEWAY to argue with what I say, even when you clearly know exactly what I mean. You know I am in no way referring to mentally handicapped people when I say that somebody is acting moronic. Why would the phrase "acting moronic" even exist if ***** was only used to describe mentally handicapped people? It is now used as a way of calling somebody stupid. You know I'm not talking about the mentally handicapped, but you have to pick apart words from every post I make anywhere, and it's completely unnecessary. I understand your objection to the use of the word "retarded" (although I personally see no problem in using at as a synonym for dumb, as long as it's clear you're not referring to the mentally handicapped), because retarded, by the dictionary, does not have such a definition. *****, on the other hand, is NO LONGER in use when referring to the mentally handicapped (as your bolded sentence, The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use, clearly states), and now is defined as "a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment."

I'm not saying "Your cousin is stupid ahhahaa." I am in no way referring to ANYBODY that has an actual mental disorder. I am not and would not ever insult somebody for a handicap which they cannot control. I am calling sportswriters stupid.

And on the "last post" stuff,

Something that is bugging me is when I read "this is my last post" on the subject, when clearly it isn't. Why keep on saying that, as I am done with the argument. If you are done, then don't post. Not everything has to be an argument. Comments like that are determental to the person you are debating against. Robin isn't the only one saying this, I have seen it from other posters as well. I don't like seeing this, and it makes the other person look bad. It makes "you" look like I don't care what the other person thinks. That upsets me.

IF you are done with the thread, then don't post anymore...before you even post...you can't get your point across when you say reactive comments like that.

2nd time I have said this in this thread.

[OldFatGuy]

bleh...sticks and stones may break your bones...but names will never hurt me.

The idiotic reason why these select sportswriters leave off shoe-in canidates is all about the EGO. They know that for a few days, they will be the center of discussion and get face/air time on the talk shows and ESPN.


But do they?? I guess I didn't know that. I posted above how I would like them to be in the spotlight and justify not voting for Hank Aaron in the hall of fame. I don't remember seeing it when Ripken's votes were announced. I hope they DO get air time, and whoever is interviewing them would force them to justify such votes. How in the name of all that is right, can anyone who knows anything about baseball NOT vote for Hank Aaron in the hall of fame??? I would insult them but I can't think of a word that won't offend somebody, so I'll just ask, how can not voting for Hank Aaron in the hall of fame be justified??? At the very least, shouldn't someone like that not be allowed votes in the future???

[HoustonGM]

There's a GOOD amount of players where not voting for them could not be logically justified. Also, sportswriters vote based on their "relationships" with players. If a particular sportswriter hasn't gotten along with a player, he won't vote for him, even if that player's career clearly deserves it.

[Yankees Fan]

French, as Houston pointed out, Mo.ron has two definitions, and he was using the one that you did not point out, mo.ron as in lacking in good judgement, which is perfectly fine, in my opinion.

[robinhoodnik]

HGM, Frenchredsox isn't the only player ever to take exception to your persistent use of the word retard (ed). I can recall two other times when it was brought up that people found it offensive, and no I'm NOT going to go back and look through thousands of posts to prove it to you. You used both the words retard and mo-ron in a derogatory manner, in a single thread. FRS has a relative who's mentally disabled, which makes it very not cool to continue. Now you're feigning indignity over two hours after you saw the original response (yes, I was here for the exchange, and stayed out of it)? You're just a punk.:mad:

[HoustonGM]

HGM, Frenchredsox isn't the only player ever to take exception to your persistent use of the word retard (ed). I can recall two other times when it was brought up that people found it offensive, and no I'm NOT going to go back and look through thousands of posts to prove it to you. You used both the words retard and mo-ron in a derogatory manner, in a single thread. FRS has a relative who's mentally disabled, which makes it very not cool to continue. Now you're feigning indignity over two hours after you saw the original response (yes, I was here for the exchange, and stayed out of it)? You're just a punk.:mad:
I don't remember anyone ever taking exception to my use of the word retarded. But, as I said, I apologized for using it, because I understand that it can be offensive to some people.

Really, I don't think this has much to do with my word choice, but rather, who I am. Where were the people jumping down the throats of these guys:

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=152134&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=826689&postcount=3
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=150011&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=723692&postcount=57 (where FRS posted a few posts later and didn't say a word about it)
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=130967&highlight=retarded (another thread where FRS posted and did not mention it)
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=130060&highlight=retarded (and again)
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=125133&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=123515&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=122740&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=586949&postcount=14
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?p=576696&highlight=retarded#post576696
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=563649&postcount=6
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=107043&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=103364&highlight=retarded
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=78326&highlight=retarded (a thread where you, robin, posted, and didn't take offense to the "retarded" comment)

And on the "m.oron" topic, prior to this recent exchange, I have actually never heard of the word "mo.ron" used in any form other than to insult somebody like you would with "stupid" or "dumb." Prior to looking it up in the dictionary after FRS claimed I continued to insult the mentally handicapped, I never knew it was EVER used as a term for the disabled. It's a word with MULTIPLE meanings. "Retarded" isn't, and I said I was sorry for using it, and I won't anymore. "Mo.ron" on the other hand is no longer used for the mentally handicapped, and IS a word meaning "stupid or lacking good judgment", which is the way I used it in. I am not going to apologize for using a word in a way in which it is supposed to be used. I admit I was wrong in using "retarded" and apologized for it.

[robinhoodnik]

I've used the M word too. I wont now that I know about FRS's sensitivity to the word. End of story.

Edit: I'll also leave Idiot (idiocy), and imbecile out of anything I post from now on.

[HoustonGM]

But notice how nobody (including FRS himself) has taken offense to it before? It has less to do with it being offensive than it does it being me saying it. I simply can no longer post without being harassed, be it for a tiny grammar mistake, an offensive word that nobody took issue with before, or whatever other reason.

[HoustonGM]

Just a couple months ago, when you used the term "moronic" (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=783181&postcount=20) FRS QUOTED AND REPLIED to it without mentioning anything about it. Obviously he wasn't offended by it when you said it. Had any other poster used these words besides me, not a peep would be heard.


"Idiot", "mo.ron", they are terms that are no longer used in reference to mental disabilities. We're not back in the 19th century when they were. They now have DIFFERENT meanings, and they're perfectly okay to use when using the current definitions. There are many words that are now used differently than they once were. Many words that once were offensive but no longer were. Many words that once weren't offensive, and now are. In 2007, we use the 2007 definitions of words.

[robinhoodnik]

I've often thought that you shouldn't use retard so commonly, but I didn't say anything because retardation doesn't affect anyone in my immediate family. It is offensive, and now that someones got your attention about it, stop it. Simple as that. No one's going to fight with you if something in particular comes up that you find offensive, and you ask them to stop, so quit it already. Leave it right here. It's over.

[robinhoodnik]

Just a couple months ago, when you used the term "moronic" (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpost.php?p=783181&postcount=20) FRS QUOTED AND REPLIED to it without mentioning anything about it. Obviously he wasn't offended by it when you said it. Had any other poster used these words besides me, not a peep would be heard.


"Idiot", "mo.ron", they are terms that are no longer used in reference to mental disabilities. We're not back in the 19th century when they were. They now have DIFFERENT meanings, and they're perfectly okay to use when using the current definitions. There are many words that are now used differently than they once were. Many words that once were offensive but no longer were. Many words that once weren't offensive, and now are. In 2007, we use the 2007 definitions of words.

Yes, and I admitted to it two posts ago. Right after he took offense to your statement, I pm'ed him and asked him if it really offended him. Guess what I found out? It did. I feel rather ignorant for my use of the word now too.

[HoustonGM]

I've often thought that you shouldn't use retard so commonly, but I didn't say anything because retardation doesn't affect anyone in my immediate family. It is offensive, and now that someones got your attention about it, stop it. Simple as that. No one's going to fight with you if something in particular comes up that you find offensive, and you ask them to stop, so quit it already. Leave it right here. It's over.
Do I have to repeat again that I apologized, and said that I would not use it anymore?


Yes, and I admitted to it two posts ago. Right after he took offense to your statement, I pm'ed him and asked him if it really offended him. Guess what I found out? It did. I feel rather ignorant for my use of the word now too.
And yet he doesn't say anything when you say it. Why? Because you're you. Since i'm HoustonGM, a fuss has to be made about every post I make, be it my use of the word "that" instead of "have" or saying somebody is retarded. Like I said, I UNDERSTAND the issue with "retarded." I apologized. I won't use it anymore.

I'm merely now pointing out the ridiculous levels that exist now of absolutely HAVING to find something about EVERY post I make to take issue with. Nobody else has their posts dissected to the point of taking issue with the word "that" being used rather than "have." It's completely unnecessary. I'll stop using the word retarded. Everybody else should stop absolutely needing to find issues with every post I make.

The issue is less the choice of words than it is the poster. It's clear he hasn't taken issue with anybody else using retard or ***** - just me.

Yeah, I feel ignorant for not ever knowing that ***** was ONCE used as a term for mentally disabled people. However, it has a valid definition different from that, and that is the definition I used.

[ohms_law]

******... knock it off, everyone. I'm about to send out 5 PM's/emails now, after a long hard day at work. Either this ends now or things are going to become pretty draconian around here every night when I get home from work.
:mad:

[boomboom]

I agree. Ohms.