BUG: Scoring in the last inning

[Farsight]

Hey all,

A bug in the scoring system. It appears that the game lets extra runs score after the game is over... For instance, in the following game, in the bottom of the 10th, MIL has the bases loaded, and the hitter gets a 3-run double to make the final 4-1.

Of course, it should be trimmed to a 1-run single, making the final 2-1.

Here's the summary text:

BOTTOM OF THE TENTH
Corey Koskie struck out.
Mark Sweeney reached first on a fielding error by the shortstop.
Craig Counsell laid down a sacrifice bunt to the catcher.
Herbert Perry pinch hit for Derek Lowe.
Herbert Perry was intentionally walked.
John Barnes walked.
Quincy Uyeda doubled down the third base line for three RBIs

[sudden]

I had the same thing happen to me. Tie game, bottom of the ninth. Two runners on. Batter hits a triple and two runs scored. In reality they would have called it a single and only one run would have scored.

[faulk28]

were unearned runs...hehehe

[kingsodom]

hmmm, I thought the rule was you played out the ball, but then the game would be over, so you should be accredited those additional runs...

And if it was a homer should they make that a single as well?

-k

[nevets72]

K-

Yes, the play is not over until the ball is called dead by the Ump. However, under convential "sportsmanship" practices, players would not try to score more than the one run needed, so the guy on second would stop at third.

A Home Run is different. The Ball is dead once it goes over the fence, but the Batter is ENTITLED to all four bases, so the runs count and it is not considered "piling" on.

[James Grove]

I seem to remember a game last season (it might have been in the postseason) where somebody hit a grand slam to win the game. But he got swarmed by his teammates and he never made it all the way around the bases to get to home plate again.

So the umps took away the extra runs, and his team only won by 1 point, instead of winning by 2 or 3 as they would have if they had received all 4 runs.

-James

[Farsight]

As a baseball nut, I can give you the rule:

When a ball is put in play (not a homer), any hit will be recorded as a single, and only the needed run(s) to win the game will count.

When a home run is hit, all runs score.

So, with the bases loaded in a tie game, a ball hit into the gap would be a 1-run single, while a homer is still a grand slam... hope that clears it up...

This is because the losing team isn't going to bother to field a ball when they've already lost, and it would be unfair to penalize the losing pitcher when any game-winning hit would become an inside-the-park-homerun due to defensive indifference...

The play you mention was an exception, since the players got so excited that the batter never rounded the bases. He was only given credit for a single, but Mogul doesn't need to sim this IMO... :)

But the other aspects of the rule should be in there for certain...

[Clay Dreslough]

Originally posted by Farsight
As a baseball nut, I can give you the rule:

When a ball is put in play (not a homer), any hit will be recorded as a single, and only the needed run(s) to win the game will count.


Does that mean if I'm down 2-0 with the bases loaded and I hit a bases-clearing triple (or double, doesn't really matter), the hit should be recorded as a "3-run single"?

With two outs, I may as well stop at first. But if there are no outs, I want to advance as far as possible since one of the runners might get thrown out and I might become the winning run. In that case, there would be no defensive indifference if I decided to try to get to 2nd or 3rd.

Clay

[Varjak]

A home run is a home run, but on a ball in play the batter can only be credited with the number of bases the winning run had to advance to score, with odd exceptions such as Robin Ventura and Todd Pratt. Personally, I think a ground rule double should stay a double even if it leads to a two-run win, but that's not the way the rule book is set up, and no one on the Rules Committee has asked my opinion.

[Farsight]

ok, Varjak has a better explanation than mine... :)

So, in Clay's situation, you -could- see a double/triple, as long as enough runs needed to score...

The main thing IMO is that the extra runs DO NOT COUNT... so the home team can't win by more than one run if the game enters the bottom of the 9th tied, unless they hit a homer...

It's all in the details... I remember playing one of the EA "Triple Play" games, and having a runner on 3rd w/ 2 outs. A fly ball is hit, and the runner crossed home before the ball was caught... and the run COUNTED. Needless to say, I never played that game again... :)