how to get the last word no matter what

[MeetDaMets]

this was about you as well :)

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=152317

youll prolly close this one too but thats ok :)

[ohms_law]

Better yet, leave it but put it in ejections. Everyone needs to vent occasionally.
;)

[MeetDaMets]

tx dude - shoulda realized to just start it here :)

[MeetDaMets]

and i really think someone should reconsider his mod privs

[ohms_law]

Well, I don't think so, and apparently neither do Clay or Dee.

[MeetDaMets]

its just my subjective opinion, not necessarily correct.

[robinhoodnik]

A Duesenberg reference is "how to get the last word no matter what"? You're right! I should just be banished from these boards for that outrageous statement! :rolleyes:

[MeetDaMets]

dang it - now i gotta go google that duesenberg thang :(

[ohms_law]

:confused:

...you completely lost me with that one.

[robinhoodnik]

:confused:

...you completely lost me with that one.

That's the last "word" in that thread. My Duesenberg reference to Michael's doosey post.

[robinhoodnik]

That's the last "word" in that thread. My Duesenberg reference to Michael's doosey post.

The term "doosey" (also doozie) came from a slang reference to the Duesenberg automobile. It meant outstanding, top of the line, or any similar positive term.

[HoustonGM]

I don't see how pointing out something I observed warrants a removal of my mod abilities. Just because you dislike me for whatever reason does not mean that I'm not worthy of being a moderator.

[ohms_law]

Being trusted with moderator status has nothing to do with "worthiness" anyway.

Don't let it get under your skin HGM. People seem to forget quickly, but gloom and doom was predicted and a bunch of bad words were spoken when Clay gave me moderator privileges as well. I'm sure you remember that.
The main complaint seems to be just what's in the thread title here anyway. People seem to feel that with your participation in some threads that you'll always try to get "the last word" in. That has nothing to do with being a moderator regardless. The more important point though, is that you're probably a bit too aggressive occasionally about making a point. You're hardly alone on this one, but MeetDaMets does have a bit of a point in that you do have a leadership position here now. The one thing that bugs me most about the way some threads go is when the same few people are repeating the same points at each other over and over again (and you all know who you are). As a leader, you should really be the one to take the high ground in those sorts of discussions, and allow others to have the last post/word.

[robinhoodnik]

last word. :D

[ohms_law]

Not!

;)

[Coach Owens]

Nope, me! #1! #1! #1! :D

[ohms_law]

Not!

:)

[HoustonGM]

not

[Coach Owens]

Not!

This is going to take a while. :rolleyes:

[ohms_law]

Not!

(that's the general idea)
;)

[Coach Owens]

Or... Is it? ;)

[ohms_law]

I think it is...

[Coach Owens]

Ummmmm...

[MeetDaMets]

Being trusted with moderator status has nothing to do with "worthiness" anyway.


The main complaint seems to be just what's in the thread title here anyway. People seem to feel that with your participation in some threads that you'll always try to get "the last word" in. That has nothing to do with being a moderator regardless. The more important point though, is that you're probably a bit too aggressive occasionally about making a point. You're hardly alone on this one, but MeetDaMets does have a bit of a point in that you do have a leadership position here now. The one thing that bugs me most about the way some threads go is when the same few people are repeating the same points at each other over and over again (and you all know who you are). As a leader, you should really be the one to take the high ground in those sorts of discussions, and allow others to have the last post/word.

or let others argue while you watch from the sideline and MODERATE them.

thank you for understanding this aspect.
and for stating so eloquently what is at the core of recent events

In many of these threads someonne , or several someones, have asked him to just quit it already. leave them alone , whatever.
and yet he persists.

should i really have to refrain from posting about a cool player because i fear a mod might twist it into a flamewar ?
should i even be thinking that ?

a "moderator" by definition is a non participant in whatever the "fray" may be.

mediator diplomat negotiator referee are decent synonyms.

one simply cannot be boxer AND referee.

not in a fair fight at least :rolleyes:

[HoustonGM]

or let others argue while you watch from the sideline and MODERATE them.
If moderating entailed "watching from the sidelines" and not participating in discussions, I would not have accepted the position.


should i really have to refrain from posting about a cool player because i fear a mod might twist it into a flamewar ?
should i even be thinking that ?
Don't even try to say that I twisted your thread into a flame war. ALL I did was make an observation and state that the screenshot showcased an issue with the game. Nor did I flame anybody. I have rarely flamed in debates, despite being the target of many flames. Arguing my position, however strongly I may, is not flaming. Nor is defending myself.

I'm not going to sit back here and take insults. I'm not going to let myself be baselessly attacked, sorry. If defending myself against attacks is wrong, than I'm guilty. I'm not going to give up any debate if I am not confronted with a strong enough case against my position. There aren't many people that would.

Frankly, I'm sick of the notion that I'm the only person that "never gives up". I argue my stance, and if somebody argues against it, I refute their arguments, if possible. That is how a debate works. Nearly everybody that participates in a debate "never gives up" unless they are a) tired of the debate or b) change their opinion due to the argument against them.


a "moderator" by definition is a non participant in whatever the "fray" may be.

mediator diplomat negotiator referee are decent synonyms.

one simply cannot be boxer AND referee.

A forum moderator is not a non-participant in the forums. A forum moderator is a poster. I've never been on a forum where this wasn't the case (outside of Wizards of the Coast, where the moderators are actual employees of the company). As I said above, if moderating entailed not participating in forum discussions, I would not have accepted the position.

[ohms_law]

In support of HGM here, he's hardly the only guilty party. Indeed, I'd say that he's most often baited into the problem threads, and go so far as to say that there are people who do the baiting intentionally and with malice.

As for the thread that started this, I'd classify that as "baiting". I don't believe that you did it intentionally by any means, but there was really no reason for that thread to turn in the direction that it did beyond "I don't like HGM".

To HGM (and several others as well) it's not the debate itself that people become upset about. It's the restating of points, over and over again, that creates the problems. Yes, others do bring this on. Yes, it's acceptable to defend yourself. However, for one thing there are others around who will defend you. For another, simply rephrasing statements to restate your arguments doesn't move the debate forward at all, and frustration is why people tend to become upset more than anything else. What's worse though is that, aside from those of you who end up being directly involved in the debates, no one is really paying attention to the conversations after a certain point. They end up becoming a waste of space, but what's worse is that the bad feelings develop between everyone and there are long term consequences to that (this thread is a good example of that).

[FRENCHREDSOX]

A Duesenberg reference is "how to get the last word no matter what"? You're right! I should just be banished from these boards for that outrageous statement! :rolleyes:

Banishment is not enough how about Hung,Drawn & Quartered ? Always liked those civilised punishments,am surprised they aren't still in use ....(or maybe they are for speeding offenses in Texas ?):D

[HoustonGM]

To HGM (and several others as well) it's not the debate itself that people become upset about. It's the restating of points, over and over again, that creates the problems. Yes, others do bring this on. Yes, it's acceptable to defend yourself. However, for one thing there are others around who will defend you. For another, simply rephrasing statements to restate your arguments doesn't move the debate forward at all, and frustration is why people tend to become upset more than anything else. What's worse though is that, aside from those of you who end up being directly involved in the debates, no one is really paying attention to the conversations after a certain point. They end up becoming a waste of space, but what's worse is that the bad feelings develop between everyone and there are long term consequences to that (this thread is a good example of that).
I often times find myself having to repeat my point because others continually ignore the points I make, or selectively ignore certain parts of my argument, or attempt to state my position and do so wrongly.

[robinhoodnik]

Banishment is not enough how about Hung,Drawn & Quartered ? Always liked those civilised punishments,am surprised they aren't still in use ....(or maybe they are for speeding offenses in Texas ?):D

They still using the guillotine for it in Paris? ;)

[Reade]

Banishment is not enough how about Hung,Drawn & Quartered ? Always liked those civilised punishments,am surprised they aren't still in use ....(or maybe they are for speeding offenses in Texas ?)

Vick might have some ideas that he practiced on those dogs

[Rongar]

Is "having the last word" what we should be aiming for, in these forums?
Shouldn't we be trying to post helpful; stimulating; informative; or other positive stuff?

[MeetDaMets]

sorry hgm

ive seen you say at least twice that such back and forths would simply end if the other person stopped replying.

its time to for you to realize and accept that you could stop replying as well.

its extremely hypocritical.

[MeetDaMets]

and lest you forget ,

since i dont actually care to converse with you
continually hammering away does nothing but reinforce
that speaking with you is always going to be circular.
and therefore pointless

[MeetDaMets]

{ Don't even try to say that I twisted your thread into a flame war }

exsqueeze me - notice the link i post .

that guy posted somehting about hi rookie of the year....
which turned into
SIXTEEN FRICKING PAGES of

is too
is not

and speaking of altering words, funny how you changed my sentence from
"fray" "argument" to discussion.

also kinda funny how you dont notice at the people in your closer topic who disagree , cuz they are as plain as day , and its also funny how the initial post and several replies have vanished. i recall that thread started with you giving a specific example with mariano and torre, thats magically vanished.

so if youre going to say something like "show me where"

dont edit the threads beforehand.

very convenient !

[MeetDaMets]

so now im going to outright challenge you.

IF you can manage to simply not hit reply ,

i wont see any need to further share my actual opinion of you or the situation.

[MeetDaMets]

JUST to be fair to HGM,

i think maybe i am just confused and it is this closed thread about basically the same thing that i was thinking of when referring to editing.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=157502

[ohms_law]

I often times find myself having to repeat my point because others continually ignore the points I make, or selectively ignore certain parts of my argument, or attempt to state my position and do so wrongly.

You don't have to repeat yourself. Those of us reading know what you said, even if some others who are replying (seemingly intentionally) do not. If their selectively ignoring things, there's no doubt that it's intentional. Regardless, the repetition pisses people off because they want to be pissed off, and it's easy to get pissed about that. You're being baited, and you walk right into it every single time.

[ohms_law]

Perfect example:


Good points.

Personally, I would not have fired Joe Torre because I do think he's a great fit for the Yankees. But also, I don't praise him because he won 4 World Series. That's a great accomplishment, but I agree with you, his impact was minimal. The players did it. And likewise, his impact on the losing is minimal.

He was not fired - he did NOT accept the offer made - it was his choice.;)

But also, I don't praise him because he won 4 World Series. That's a great accomplishment, but I agree with you, his impact was minimal. The players did it. And likewise, his impact on the losing is minimal.
It will be interesting to see next year the "minimalist" impact of managers on baseball though,unlike you I believe that managers' have a large impact on the results of a game & thus the season.



He was not fired - he did NOT accept the offer made - it was his choice.;)
I would have not lowballed him for the sole purpose of making him seem like the guy at fault. I would have resigned him. Whatever. You get the point.


It will be interesting to see next year the "minimalist" impact of managers on baseball though,unlike you I believe that managers' have a large impact on the results of a game & thus the season.
Unfortunately, if Rivera, Pettite, Posada, and A-Rod all leave, the Yankees are going to do worse, and than everybody's going to say "See! Joe Torre should've stayed! The Yankees suck without him!" - completely ignoring the fact that the Yankees no longer have the best player in the league, a great catcher, the greatest closer of all time, and a good pitcher.

If the Yankees undergo significant roster changes, there's no way to at all tell what Joe Torre's impact on winning/losing was. Even if they stay relatively the same, comparing win-loss record after next season to Torre's reign still says nothing. Jorge Posada is unlikely to repeat his career year. Other players will outperform expectations. Others will play worse than they did this year. All things unrelated to the manager.



I would have not lowballed him for the sole purpose of making him seem like the guy at fault. I would have resigned him. Whatever. You get the point.Yes I did get the point (that is why I ;) -ed,btw) but the facts are 1) he was given an offer of 5 million for 1 year * & 2) he REFUSED ipso facto/thus he was not fired.



Unfortunately, if Rivera, Pettite, Posada, and A-Rod all leave, the Yankees are going to do worse, and than everybody's going to say "See! Joe Torre should've stayed! The Yankees suck without him!" - completely ignoring the fact that the Yankees no longer have the best player in the league, a great catcher, the greatest closer of all time, and a good pitcher.

If the Yankees undergo significant roster changes, there's no way to at all tell what Joe Torre's impact on winning/losing was. Even if they stay relatively the same, comparing win-loss record after next season to Torre's reign still says nothing. Jorge Posada is unlikely to repeat his career year. Other players will outperform expectations. Others will play worse than they did this year. All things unrelated to the manager.

This is all hypothetical & totally subjective AS OF TODAY.The point I made was in reply to the "minimalistic" view of the role of the manager made here:



. That's a great accomplishment, but I agree with you, his impact was minimal. The players did it. And likewise, his impact on the losing is minimal.
my reply:


It will be interesting to see next year the "minimalist" impact of managers on baseball though,unlike you I believe that managers' have a large impact on the results of a game & thus the season.





* & he would still have been the HIGHEST paid manager in Baseball
That's baiting.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Shouldn't we be trying to post helpful; stimulating; informative; or other positive stuff?

Yes that should be aim (except perhaps in certain Ejection's threads) but also the information has to be correct.;)

[ohms_law]

"the information has to be correct" is such a perfect excuse for you, isn't it?

[Swampdog]

lol

[robinhoodnik]

If HGM wants to "debate" everyone on the forums until they're banned, then let him. If people are going to keep on being banned/chastised/threatened/insulted for posting in threads he's involved in, then eventually people will wise up and limit their replies to him, ignore him, or just be permanently banned.
That's what it's come down to for a bunch of people now. Just leave the sandbox when he comes. No need to do anything else, just ignore him.

Ohms, if HGM is repeatedly going to use that tactic in his posts, then turnabout is fair play. He want's to "debate a point endlessly with someone who's willing to do it with him, let him. So what? If no one else wants to read it, no one's forcing them to read it. So long as it doesn't degenerate to swears or threats of physical harm, let them type until their fingers bleed. Why bother moderating what one mod and several members don't want moderated? Let 'em have a debate thread all to themselves. Set up a stream of conciousness thread and see where it ends. Could actually be interesting to see where it winds it's way to in a month or three.

[Swampdog]

Good post, RH. I tend to agree.

[Swampdog]

That is..the part about letting people debate endlessly. Its like in a typical poker game, where there is usually a 3 raise limit, per round. Except if there is just 2 players left in the hand...then they can raise each other endlessly. I suppose that, at some point, a discussion/debate just deteriorates into an argument. At some point, no one is going to convince anyone else that they are wrong. However, if thats how people want to spend their time, as RH points out, let them. Nobody has to read it, or comment on it. Now that I think about it, I wonder just how long 2 people would continue an argument in this forum. A week? A year? Might be interesting to see.

[ohms_law]

That's basically where I am at. That doesn't mean that I have to like that it's going on though, and it most certainly doesn't mean that I can't speak out against it.

That being said, I am going to move the threads that become problematic here to Ejections. These things have a nasty habit of spreading beyond those who want to be involved.

[robinhoodnik]

Last word! :D

[ohms_law]

Is not!

[robinhoodnik]

TAG! You're it! :p

[ohms_law]

Not it!

[robinhoodnik]

Are so!

[RickD]

Last Word!!!!!

[robinhoodnik]

Fini!

[Wassit3]

last

[Wassit3]

word

[Coach Owens]

Last word. ;)

[HoustonGM]

exsqueeze me - notice the link i post.
I think you're mixing up threads here. You linked to the post you're referencing to in another thread, not this one.


that guy posted somehting about hi rookie of the year....
which turned into
SIXTEEN FRICKING PAGES of

is too
is not
Some guy posting about a bad rookie of the year, I posted agreeing that the rookie of the year decisions are often bad, and said that I am in favor of allowing the option to choose your own awards, and was told by somebody that he cares what I do in my own games. I, myself, did not turn that thread into a flame war, nor do I recall ever flaming anybody. Also note that there were multiple other posters, including ohms_law, who took the same side as me that there is no issue with allowing an option, and that they also posted multiple times ("back and forth"). Stop trying to lay all the blame for long arguments on me.


and speaking of altering words, funny how you changed my sentence from
"fray" "argument" to discussion.
"Frays", "arguments", and "debates" often result from a discussion. All an argument or a debate is is a discussion with two opposing sides. Moderators should not be forced to remove themselves from any discussion that results in a two-sided issue.


also kinda funny how you dont notice at the people in your closer topic who disagree cuz they are as plain as day ,
I've reread the entire thread, and frankly, you're the only person I see "disagreeing." In fact, many different posters said that they've noticed the same thing and that it is a problem. I personally believe that you're only disagreeing out of your dislike for me. IMy "stance" is that Mogul does not use closers in a manner consistent with history. I don't see how you can disagree with this, when a simple simulation of any season and comparing the closers to those in real life show this crystal clear.


and its also funny how the initial post and several replies have vanished. i recall that thread started with you giving a specific example with mariano and torre, thats magically vanished.

so if youre going to say something like "show me where"

dont edit the threads beforehand.

very convenient !
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Deleted posts remain on the forums, but are hidden from non-moderators, and all the other moderators can vouch for me that there are no deleted posts in the closer thread. In addition, posts which have been editted say so. I did edit the original post. I forget exactly what I changed, but I don't ever recall having some example about Mariano Rivera and Joe Torre in that thread.

And now I see:

JUST to be fair to HGM,

i think maybe i am just confused and it is this closed thread about basically the same thing that i was thinking of when referring to editing.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com...d.php?t=157502
So you were talking about an entirely different thread, one of which had no relation to my comment in your thread with the screenshots. Even in this case, there are no edits nor deleted posts in that thread. (There are actually 4 deleted posts, all 4 of which were deleted by their posts, 1 of which was my final post in the thread which I posted before realizing that the thread was closed, so I respectfully removed it)


so now im going to outright challenge you.

IF you can manage to simply not hit reply ,

i wont see any need to further share my actual opinion of you or the situation.
You've attacked me and made false accusations. Sorry, I'm not going to let those stand.


That's baiting.
In that case, I believe that, as with most internet forums, baiting and trolling should be prohibited and posters that do show should be warned, and those that continually do so should be suspended and/or banned

[HoustonGM]

If HGM wants to "debate" everyone on the forums until they're banned, then let him.
That is NOT what I want to do. I want to simply post my thoughts, as does every single other poster. As with all discussion boards, there are going to be different thoughts and opinions, and people are going to discuss and debate them. Discussing and debating different ideas does not get anybody banned. It is when it gets to the point that insults start being thrown that such things occur, and rarely by me.

[Coach Owens]

Word. Again. Muhahahahahahahahahahaha! ;)

[robinhoodnik]

That is NOT what I want to do. I want to simply post my thoughts, as does every single other poster. As with all discussion boards, there are going to be different thoughts and opinions, and people are going to discuss and debate them. Discussing and debating different ideas does not get anybody banned. It is when it gets to the point that insults start being thrown that such things occur, and rarely by me.

Then do it! Have fun. Type in Phoenician and translate it into pig latin. Write it in crayon on your monitor, take a digital picture and post it. Submit it in crossword puzzle form.

I d_o_n'_t c_a_r_e!

[Coach Owens]

No! I have to have the last word!

[RickD]

Last Word...Fini...The End....Someone close this thread so I can win!

[Coach Owens]

No! Close it now!

[robinhoodnik]

In that case, I believe that, as with most internet forums, baiting and trolling should be prohibited and posters that do show should be warned, and those that continually do so should be suspended and/or banned


hA HA Ha AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAAAAA.

Now that's funny stuff!

[RickD]

Guys C'mon....All y'all are doing is making Ohm's point over and over.

[robinhoodnik]

b,bbb,bbbb....

[robinhoodnik]

Awww, I can't do that to you guys. :D

[Coach Owens]

Now you can, since I have the last word!

[RickD]

No Me!

[Coach Owens]

No me!

[boomboom]

sorry hgm

ive seen you say at least twice that such back and forths would simply end if the other person stopped replying.

its time to for you to realize and accept that you could stop replying as well.

its extremely hypocritical.


You don't have to repeat yourself. Those of us reading know what you said, even if some others who are replying (seemingly intentionally) do not. If their selectively ignoring things, there's no doubt that it's intentional. Regardless, the repetition pisses people off because they want to be pissed off, and it's easy to get pissed about that. You're being baited, and you walk right into it every single time.

I agree, I get soo tired of somebody who keeps on trying to get there points accross. People need to move on. There is no point in arguing your point in post # 2, and still arguing your point in post #200. That is really tiring and as a moderator, I get tired of it. I Hope it stops. Make your point...and when you reply think of a nice way of writing it.

"I see what you are saying, but maybe I think you are wrong, Could it be...." might be nicer way to debate and not totally refusing to see the other side, or basically calling the other people on the forum stupid because they don't agree with you. I am not only talking about HGM, but also FRS, slowrx7/watery...ect....


"the information has to be correct" is such a perfect excuse for you, isn't it?

remember ohms, any excuse is a bad excuse. ;)

[ohms_law]

Yea, it's important not to make this only about HGM. It's decidedly not, at least not from my perspective. The only reason that it's centered on him is because that's how the thread started. And, really, the only reason that HGM is really a target at all is because he has privileges.

[boomboom]

Yea, it's important not to make this only about HGM. It's decidedly not, at least not from my perspective. The only reason that it's centered on him is because that's how the thread started. And, really, the only reason that HGM is really a target at all is because he has privileges.

No people where complaining before ohms as well, just not at this extent. ;)

but does it matter, lets post away...

[Reade]

I get soo tired of somebody who keeps on trying to get there points accross. People need to move on. There is no point in arguing your point in post # 2, and still arguing your point in post #200.


This is exactly why I hardly read a thread all the way though. It gets very annoying when you have to read 30 post between 2 or 3 people fighting with each other and the original post is forgotten. People need to remember just because you have facts about something doesn't mean its right. Just like there are 2 sides to every story, there are facts out there to support 2 sides and sometimes 3 sides of a argument(sp).

State your point of view and let it go at that. And since I've joined it seems to me everytime HGM post something, there are a couple of people that will attack anything and everything he says. If he was to say the world was round there would be someone here to argue with him about it being flat. I'm not sticking up for HGM, I don't know him or anybody else here, but sometimes in life you have to let things go.

[robinhoodnik]

And since I've joined it seems to me everytime HGM post something, there are a couple of people that will attack anything and everything he says. If he was to say the world was round there would be someone here to argue with him about it being flat..

It's not flat, it's clearly convex. Go out and look at the horizon for Pete's sake! :rolleyes: Jheesh, don't you guys know anything? :confused:

[Reade]

sometimes 3 sides of a argument


it's clearly convex.


See a third side I forgot:p

[Rongar]

It's not flat, it's clearly convex. Go out and look at the horizon for Pete's sake! :rolleyes: Jheesh, don't you guys know anything? :confused:

LOL

[Rongar]

I am not only talking about HGM, but also FRS, slowrx7/watery...ect....





Whew!...that was close...Boom must have run out of breath ere he got to me!

[Rongar]

And, really, the only reason that HGM is really a target at all is because he has privileges.

I put it down to the fact that he's so young; so articulate; and some of us so resentful of this.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Whew!...that was close...Boom must have run out of breath ere he got to me!

:D

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I agree, I get soo tired of somebody who keeps on trying to get there points across. People need to move on. There is no point in arguing your point in post # 2, and still arguing your point in post #200. That is really tiring and as a moderator, I get tired of it. I Hope it stops. Make your point...and when you reply think of a nice way of writing it.

"I see what you are saying, but maybe I think you are wrong, Could it be...." might be nicer way to debate and not totally refusing to see the other side, or basically calling the other people on the forum stupid because they don't agree with you. I am not only talking about HGM, but also FRS, slowrx7/watery...ect....



remember ohms, any excuse is a bad excuse. ;)

As I was mentioned in this post,I think I have the right to reply.

I post with an argument,when I feel it is necessary to clear up a point made by another poster which I disagree with or is implictly subjective but portrayed as objective.I continue to re-post because often the other poster ASKS for evidence which I try & show & also further develop my original hypothesis stated.

However,if the other poster changes his argument(eg from simply using a 1 time example & then saying it is a larger problem) I usually will ALSO point this out - saying it is inconsistent with his original argument.Similarly,if the poster mis-quotes one of my posts I will show it was inconsitent.

Lastly,please find a "quote" of mine referring to any other poster where I call them stupid/crazy/foolish (or even implying it by saying "it is crazy to think" or "it is painfully obvious" or "it is foolish to believe").

As I remember (& I may be mistaken) I have never used derogatory comments nor insults EVER - so Bobby,don't "label" me as such.;)

[boomboom]

What I meant was not actually calling somebody flat out stupid, but in a non-direct way. People arguing about certain topics. You have posted many times (this is my last post on this subject) which is really rude, and basically calling the other persons argument retarted in a non-direct way, you also are saying that I don't care what you are writing about, I am write...again in a non-direct way.

Basically you are saying one thing, but it could mean something else.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

What I meant was not actually calling somebody flat out stupid, but in a non-direct way. People arguing about certain topics. You have posted many times (this is my last post on this subject) which is really rude,The "last post" is simply a way to say that IMO the debate is "sterile" & I will allow others to continue but NOT be involved.Also,this is NOT rude as it is a reply rather than ignoring the other poster (which is if done is impolite).



and basically calling the other persons argument retarted in a non-direct way, you also are saying that I don't care what you are writing about, I am write...again in a non-direct way.

Basically you are saying one thing, but it could mean something else.

That is your assumption - it is actually POSSIBLE you mis-interprete the actual post,no ?

.Once an argument has become sterile then there is no point in continuing to debate especially if the other poster does not accept the argumentation or changes his main argumentation point.This is not about Right or wrong...

[ohms_law]

It's extremely rude. You quite often become emotional about things, and become very sensitive and rude. Then, you find all kinds of things to become insulted about all the time. It becomes pretty darn tiring.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

It's extremely rude. You quite often become emotional about things, and become very sensitive and rude. Then, you find all kinds of things to become insulted about all the time. It becomes pretty darn tiring.

Fair enough,I will stick to BMO forums.No problem.:)

[Coach Owens]

Or will you? ;);)

[HoustonGM]

Fair enough,I will stick to BMO forums.No problem.:)
Nobody suggested that at all.

[MeetDaMets]

so long as we are clear that even when asked by someone to leave them alone and just stop replying - you wont.

notice you didnt answer why the application of "just dont reply"
is appropriate for you to suggest to others,
but not appropriate for you to impose on yourself.

but no matter , you proved the point for me.

[Coach Owens]

Will you stop bashing HGM, MDM, it's all you've been doing for the last week.

[MeetDaMets]

Also notice that after immediately correcting an error regarding "editing"
and replying that i had made that statement unfairly,
you took me town anyway.

subjective selective comprehension
an inability to show repect for others opinion,
endless replies to people who dont want to talk to you.

heres something for you to do
have a look at a few of the closed threads ,

count the number of your posts in that thread
and determine the % of the total.
do that for a few threads.

Im certain the raw numbers easily support
"one of the primary antagonists".

therefore unfit for mod responsibilities.

[MeetDaMets]

all he has to do is not reply ....

and he could have asked me to explain that other thread via im.

they chose the public board route

[Coach Owens]

Close the thread or something, please. I'm not trying to be a moderator or anything, but this is getting really annoying.

[MeetDaMets]

why ?

i'm just stating an observation .

[Reade]

but this is getting really annoying.

I agree 100%

[MeetDaMets]

yes there really is no need for me to restate the same observation over and over and over even though people are asking me to stop.

i agree

[HoustonGM]

so long as we are clear that even when asked by someone to leave them alone and just stop replying - you wont.

notice you didnt answer why the application of "just dont reply"
is appropriate for you to suggest to others,
but not appropriate for you to impose on yourself.

but no matter , you proved the point for me.
I don't tell people to stop replying to me. Every poster has the right to reply to whatever they wish. If you don't wish to talk to me, don't talk to me. If I am attacked or my posts are replied to, I have a right to reply to them. If you do not wish to hear a reply from someone, do not respond to the posts of that person.


an inability to show repect for others opinion,
Disagreeing with an opinion and arguing against it is not showing a lack of respect.


endless replies to people who dont want to talk to you.
Clearly, if you continue replying, you wish to talk to me. If you do not wish to talk to someone, don't talk to them. By directing posts at me, it indicates that you wish to talk to me, or that you just wish to somehow make me out to seem like a bad guy because I reply to posts directed at me.


Im certain the raw numbers easily support
"one of the primary antagonists".
Posting often does not make someone an antagonist.


all he has to do is not reply ....
You're directing posts at me, making accusations and attacking me. If you don't wish to hear me reply and defend myself against such accusations and attacks, do not make them.


Close the thread or something, please. I'm not trying to be a moderator or anything, but this is getting really annoying.
This is why I originally deleted this thread. It was doomed from the beginning. And before it gets worse, I am closing it.

[boomboom]

Houston, I think you should keep it open.

[ohms_law]

I've said my peace, so I couldn't really care one way or another by this point.
*shrug*

[HoustonGM]

Houston, I think you should keep it open.
It's just resulting in truly pointless back and forth arguments and will fall into a flame war. It was doomed to right from the start, which is why I originally deleted it. Nothing constructive at all is coming from this.