11.07 Runner(s) disappearing and/or incorrect

[Mickademus]

Bottom of the Third (Tigers) Score
Outs Count Pitch (MPH) Tony Abolskaya on the mound for the Mariners. Runners SEA DET
0 1-2 Fastball (86) Peter Major singled to right field. 1 2
0 0-0 Forkball (81) Carlos Radondo lined out to left. 1 2
1 3-1 Fastball (86) J.B. Dole singled to left. 1 2
1 3-1 Frisbee Slider (81) Alfredo Reyes doubled down the right field line, scoring a run. 1 3
1 0-2 Forkball (77) Brian Kosney grounded to third. 1 3
2 1-2 Curve (77) Ken Hale struck out. 1 3
1 run, 3 hits, 0 errors, and 1 left on base. 1 3

[ohms_law]

???
Who disappeared, and exactly when?

[lkcostas]

Well, I have runners disappear on the basepaths every game. I know they're there, but you don't see them on the field until a subsequent batter causes them to advance to another base.

[ohms_law]

Well, if you can find and example and post it, I'd appreciate it. I've been working on the base runners code for the last couple weeks so I think I have a decent feel for it. I need examples of problems to work from though.

[Mickademus]

Ohms, when Reyes doubled, Major scored and Dole disappeared, he didn't score and he wasn't shown on third. I wish I knew how to post the html version of the recap but I can't seem to be able to do it.

[ohms_law]

OK, thanks.

[CatKnight]

Do we know if this only happens in PbP (player/mgr/GM) mode, or if it also happens in simming a few days at a time?

[ohms_law]

All games. It's in the basic Runner code that handles base running regardless of wheter you're playing in PBP or simulating games.

and for the record, this actually isn't really "new". It's more correct to say that it's simply been exposed, and the problem changed slightly. So, technically, the simulation results are actually more accurate now than they were before. Not that I'm defending the bug existing at all, and I'm trying not to come across as really being defensive, but I just needed to say that.
:)

[SoulMan]

Haven't seen this one posted, but...using 10.34, PBP Manager mode, when I put on a double steal w/runners on 1st and 2nd, the runner on 1st steals 2nd and 3rd, and the lead runner disappears (doesn't score, doesn't get thrown out, just disappears).

I ran a test here to show what is happening.

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[Tigersfan]

Me too, my runner dissappeared, I'm using 10.34 13767 where did Brandon Sing go?

[Tigersfan]

I'm just wondering where Drennen went and when Gordon took an extra base did he just cut across the mound and take third? It's version 10.34 13818

[Tigersfan]

I guess it evens out, this is the same game, where did Colvin go? It happened to me when it asked me if I wanted to take an extra base and seeing that Gordon took extra base(s) on his single/triple I wonder if that has something to do with it 13819

[ohms_law]

Yea, this still needs work... Recreating the problem in a test setting is a ***** though, let alone understanding exactly what's going on (internally, I mean).

[JustinM]

McCutchen on first, DeWitt on second.

Duffy singles, putting McCutchen on second, Duffy on first.

Granderson grounds into a fielder's choice, McCutchen on third, Granderson on first.

LaRoche hits a sac fly to center, scoring McCutchen. Granderson tagged and went to second, but is listed in the PbP and on the recap as McCutchen.

Walker singled, scoring Granderson, again listed as McCutchen in both places.

For what it's worth, the box score appears to have everything in order, giving McCutchen and Granderson one run scored apiece.

[JustinM]

It just happened again, except this time it was McCutchen scoring and Chris Duffy moving from first to second.

[ohms_law]

ah... the **** "disappearing runner" bug. Hey, at least it changed...

[JustinM]

Sorry, didn't realize it was related. Yeah, still there I guess. :)

[JustinM]

Just confirming that this bug is still extant in 11.07.

EDIT: I should also clarify that I've never seen this bug cause two runs to tally as some others have stated. The actual game score is right. The recap score isn't, but that doesn't determine wins and losses, so it's not a huge deal, just awkward.

[Clay Dreslough]

Has anyone seen evidence of this in simulated games? Or just in Play-By-Play?

Thanks!

[ohms_law]

oops...


Just confirming that this bug is still extant in 11.07.

EDIT: I should also clarify that I've never seen this bug cause two runs to tally as some others have stated. The actual game score is right. The recap score isn't, but that doesn't determine wins and losses, so it's not a huge deal, just awkward.

[JustinM]

Another wrinkle to this one...it only seems to happen when runners are on first and third and they both tag up. If it's second and third and they both tag, the play-by-play lists the players correctly.

I have no idea what happens when one of the runners is thrown out in the process as it hasn't happened in any of my games yet.

[Clay Dreslough]

The runner from 1st should rarely tag up. Are you controlling the batting team? Is the game asking you if want to send the runner from 3rd? Or send the runner from 1st?

[JustinM]

Okay, yet another new item...

Andrew Sonnanstine on third, Carl Crawford on second, and Akinori Iwamura on first. Baldelli flies out, Sonnanstine tags and scores. Crawford tags and reaches third. Iwamura tags and reaches second. As improbable as all that is, for all three, it says that Sonnanstine tagged up and reached (base), scoring a run.

Two runs actually scored on the play, however...apparently Crawford went all the way from second to home, although the play by play says nothing to that effect. Given that two runs scored on the play and the only one left on base is Iwamura on second, though, I have to assume that's what happened.

The recap, however, says that three runs scored. It also says that the score is 12-3 right now, but the actual game score is 9-2, as this bug has happened a couple times just in this game.

So, at any rate, it looks like this bug happens with runners on first and third, and with the bases loaded, but not with runners on second and third.

EDIT: To answer Clay's question, both. The ridiculous one in this post was the opposing team. It seems to happen about equally between both human- and AI-controlled teams, at least for me. And no, it doesn't ask me to have both tag up and run, only the runner on third.

EDIT 2: It seems that if there's a runner on first when you're asked to send a runner home on a sac fly, the runner on first always tags and runs for second. I've never seen him thrown out, either.

EDIT 3: Hopefully irrelevant now that I see there's a new patch, but I'll put it here for the sake of completeness. I just had the bases loaded again, but this time it got two names right, naming Crawford as the man who scored and Longoria as the man who reached third...and second. Baldelli was the man on first reaching second, but he got renamed in the process. Again, though, two runs scored on the play, Longoria making it all the way around to score, which I find highly unlikely, especially twice in one series.

[Clay Dreslough]

Are you controlling the batting team? Let me know if you can make this happen in 11.08. (I can't).

If so, let me know which team you are controlling in play-by-play. Also, please let me know if you can see it in a SIMULATED game.

[JustinM]

I don't look at any simulated games, so I'm probably not the person to ask about that. However, I just had the opportunity for this to happen in 11.08 and it didn't. Bases loaded, the game asked me to tag up at 3rd. I said okay, Adam LaRoche scored, nobody else moved. That's probably as it should be.

Due to the way this bug behaved differently when different bases were occupied, I don't suggest closing this bug out until I've had a chance to test it in several different circumstances. At the very least, though, you have it partially fixed!

[Clay Dreslough]

At the very least, though, you have it partially fixed!That's good news. You're rightL let's leave this post here until we have more information.