Tom Seaver wins 63 games

[JLlamas]

I thought I would conduct a little experiment. Playing with the 2007 version of mogul, I played with the 1975 Mets, and manually chose Tom Seaver to start every game.(He actually missed two starts because of injury). He actually pitched quite well, with a 4.18 ERA, and managed to go 63-62 for a team that only won 75 games.

[Coach Owens]

:eek:

[CatKnight]

Wow. No serious penalty for being overused at all!

[ohms_law]

Yea, you can skirt the system if you really want to. There's just nothing to double check whether or not a human player is doing this. The thing is that there's really no need to "fix" the problem, since the AI won't ever do this...

[Coach Owens]

And the scouting report is really messed up.

[RickD]

Steroids!!!!!!

[Dwright5]

So THAT'S why Seaver demanded a trade in 1976. Can't say I blame him:)

[PotatoOfCouch13]

That's one way to get to 300 wins...

Or 400...

Or 500...

[boomboom]

:rolleyes:

At least he wasn't edited :)

[mparks1973]

If you did that for a 20 year period and won half of all games in a year(81 of 162) then you could get 540 wins. And that with only 50% winning. 60% would be almost 650 wins! I'm going to have to try this especially in the early 1900's where it's really hard to start off and have a good pen if best pitchers in the starting rotation. I see Seaver had 90+ for health. How low do you figure health rating could be and still get that many starts from a guy?

[RedsoxRockies]

That makes Cy Youngs accomplishments seem better, as he never won even 50, so his 511 would have been hard on him no doubt.

[Imgran]

I betcha he has a major injury the next year

[Wassit3]

wow

[Ultimus]

I hope the Indians do this to Sabbathia this year.

We can't resign him...might as well get the 1200 innings that we wanted over the next 5 yearsall at once.

[AndrewOsborn]

5 more seasons of this and he'll have 500 wins

[SoulMan]

That makes Cy Youngs accomplishments seem better, as he never won even 50, so his 511 would have been hard on him no doubt.

Forget 50, he never even won 40.

[joe]

I understand ohms that AI do not do this at all. But why you do not patch this? It's a workaround to get many wins and skirt the system.

[JLlamas]

I played another season like this; it seems like starting every day actually has more of an effect after the first offseason. Seaver's ERA increased by nearly a full run, He allowed more HR's(relative to innings pitched) and actually was more efficent in striking out batters. Also, he managed to get injured, but it was only minor, putting him out for 2 weeks.

[walruskkkch]

You would think that such use would feedback to a steep decrease in endurance levels and a steep increase in injury probablity during the season.

[HoustonGM]

The game isn't really made to handle such unrealistic events, probably.

[walruskkkch]

It's not really unrealistic, only at the extreme end of the unrealistic. It should be a sliding scale. Obviously this is the extreme, but what about starting every 3 days, every 2? It should follow that more frequent use should increase the chance of breakdown. It should especially be true by the time baseball philosophy had moved away from frequent, long use of starters. Pitching every inning of every game went out in the 19th century.

[rogue9]

I like the strikeout totals. :cool:

[joe]

Try to play another season like that again just to see! ;-)

[Edge]

Wow, 1900 K's in a two year span.

Talk about a recipe for dead arm...or just plain dead.

[AndrewOsborn]

I want to see you play him like that as long as you can. You could string up some amazing career totals.

[rogue9]

I don't think I would say its broken. This is a simulation game that lets you do lots of things, some of them unrealistic. But thats part of the fun of it. Its not like you're able to do this in a league to some great benefit. Its just Joe Schmoe seeing what he can do playing a pitcher every game. I fail to see how that is broken. It is quite obviously unrealistic, but broken?

[AndrewOsborn]

You dont have to go for realistic every time you play; you can go for arcade totals too.

[AndrewOsborn]

Right, it is a simulator. It's not perfect , but, I enjoy it for statistical perfection as well as the sometimes whacky stats it shoots out.

[rockiesfan4ever]

What really can they do to fix this? Make it a mandatory 5-man rotation?

[rogue9]

theres nothing to fix. The Gm of the team chose to play Seaver for 162 games. No, it doesn't happen in real life. But someone wanted to see what the game would spit out for kicks and giggles. It hurts nothing but the realism of that particular sim. Its not something the AI will do. There is nothing to fix.

[HoustonGM]

Given that this can only occur when the user does it, and that the user knows full well he's doing something not realistic when he does it, I don't think it's that big of an issue.

People already complain that their pitchers get hurt too quickly after some extra use. Making that effect larger to deal with that rare person that decides to play his pitcher for 162 games isn't going to help the majority of the users.

[metsguy234]

LOL, I tried this with Josh Beckett once and he had 33 or so wins and 75 or so losses (he was injured, I think).

[ohms_law]

Again, the AI will not do this. The only time this can happen is when someone specifically makes it happen for their own team.

It's not a bug at all. The negative effects of overplaying players are capped to prevent excessive results in the other direction, and for pitchers this is simply a side effect of that. Since the side effect is only visible when you specifically set up an extreme situation to cause it, it's a perfectly acceptable solution.