I lost 400 post

[boomboom]

WTF! :eek:

[HoustonGM]

Everyone seemed to have lost posts. I dunno what happened.

[RedsoxRockies]

I didn't! I wonder why they are going away though???

[HoustonGM]

Do you have enough to notice? :p

[Rongar]

WTF! :eek:

Wot, Boom?...you mean that you have only 15,221 left?:eek:

You'd better reread 'em quick, Mate, ere they vanish too!

[Reade]

Hand is up too

[ohms_law]

Seriously though, is this actually a problem?
:eek:

[Reade]

no

[Coach Owens]

I lost a bunch too. And yes, it is a problem. It's affecting my plan to overtake HGM as the #1 poster.

[HoustonGM]

Seriously though, is this actually a problem?
:eek:
No.

[Kotoll]

lol im catch up!

[boomboom]

well yes, because my goal is to be the #1 poster. ;) so quit deleting post ohms or whoever is.

deleting posts only means you have something to hide. This is what nystienbrenner did.

[boomboom]

oh, I found the forum of deleted threads...wow

[Rongar]

Seriously though, is this actually a problem?
:eek:

Well, yes, Ohms...matter of fact, I was gonna read all of BoomBoom's posts this very weekend!:mad:

[ohms_law]

Well, yes, Ohms...matter of fact, I was gonna read all of BoomBoom's posts this very weekend!:mad:

lol... good luck with that.
:)


oh, I found the forum of deleted threads...wow

heh
Better there than cluttering my my screen.
;)

If it really bothers you, put them back...
they've been dead for longer than a month though, so you may as well bump them with a few thousand more posts. have fun!
:)

Honestly, I still don't get the whole post padding thing. I really don't care at all, I just don't understand it. If you want post count... then post! Nothing wrong with that. What does post count mean though when 400+ posts are nothing but one number or word or whatever? At least the Word Association and The Name Game threads are actually games.
Ah well. I was curious to see who would make a stink about it, if anyone.
*shrug*

[Rongar]

Oh, I dunno, Ohms... I mean when the Aliens take over our planet at some future date - I have it, on good authority, just prior to the issuing of the BM2069 Beta - they will regard these forums as a sort of time-capsule, indicating the mentality of us Earthlings.

I see it all, now...the Alien anthropologists shaking their (little; pointed) heads, pityingly, over our writings...

[daves]

I'll give you 400 posts back for your next number 1 pick when you decide to come back to BBMO? :D

No league will have a rule against this. :p

[ohms_law]

The regular forums don't have a rule against it either! :p

[ohms_law]

Actually, if I wanted to make a big deal about it I'd do something like... this.
*evil grin*

[ohms_law]

aight, fixed. I have to say, I'm a bit underwhelmed at the response... I honestly expected more wailing and gnashing of teeth.
:(
lol

At least HGM took it the right way.
:)

Anyway, everything is back to normal.
;)

[HoustonGM]

I'm still 200 posts short of where I was!!!!!!!!

[ohms_law]

Are you really?
lol

I did fix everything that I messed around with... *shrug*

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, I am, heh.

Actually, oops, nevermind. I'm not. I was nearing 19,500 a few days ago. So it's right. I got confused.

Oops.

[Red Sox Fan 734]

test

[boomboom]

test
It will be deleted...

lets make this a post padders paradise of a thread :D

[AndrewOsborn]

I've always aspired to be the Houston GM of the forums,but alas, no time to do it.:(

[RickD]

ZZzzzzz......huh....what did I miss? Oh....sorry I slept a few days and I find out I lost and re-gained posts......oh well......back to sleep.....ZZzzzz

[Clay Dreslough]

I wouldn't get too attached to your post counts. We've always been fighting problems with vBulletin and we're probably going to have to switch internet service providers this year. It may cause post count "hiccups" or worse.

Clay

[boomboom]

I wouldn't get too attached to your post counts. We've always been fighting problems with vBulletin and we're probably going to have to switch internet service providers this year. It may cause post count "hiccups" or worse.

Clay


well then so be it...I guess I don't have an incentive to be active on this forum...anymore. I wonder how many people in BMO would feel....like all the times on the forums, how the forums was a fun place, where we would make fun of each other, play games (before there was a word or name game) top 10 reasons why stieny is an A$$ type of threads...you post 10 of those a night and you have 100 post easily. Those type of games stopped when stieny took the fun away....then ohms did the same thing...(but for his credit, he restored most of it) Post counts are a game itself...it is a record of what you do on this forum...it also tells people in BMO how active of a GM they are and such...ect. If you don't want people to be attached to post counts than why have them in the first place....also if you take them away now, it will piss people off... if you don't like the post games, then you don't have to be part of it. i know some people don't like post padders, doesn't mean he has to take the fun away but telling clay that post counts don't matter.... Because they do matter to some people...take a look at the king of post padders, (Michealg123) he would have more than 23k, and dabs would be at 25k if it wasn't for stieny....I would be at around 20k as well.

All 3 of us were 10 times more active in our heyday than ohms_law and HGM. I think that we averaged 50-200 post per day...and Micheal posted something like 1,000 post in 2 days that set a record...

[ohms_law]

but for his credit, he restored all of it
Fixed.
:)


it is a record of what you do on this forum...it also tells people in BMO how active of a GM they are and such.
This actually goes directly to my point though. Does it tell how active the person is when many of those posts are from blatant post padding? Doing that dilutes the meaning of post counts, at least in my eyes.


If you don't want people to be attached to post counts than why have them in the first place.
That's kind of my point as well. That (at least a few) people do seem to pay an inordinate amount attention to them is kind of a problem.
Of course, I don't participate in padding. I did briefly, but was quickly bored by it.
Look though, I don't personally care if you or anyone else post pads. If it makes you happy, that's fine by me. I was just having a little fun at your expense is all, since I knew that you'd get kind of pissed about it. I didn't say a word about it to Clay or Dee or anyone at all until after I did it, when HGM PM'ed me laughing and asking how long I was going to keep the threads deleted. There's no real need to get defensive... If you want the "lead", go right ahead, that doesn't bother me in the least!
:)

[Clay Dreslough]

well then so be it...I guess I don't have an incentive to be active on this forum...anymoreAlthough vBulletin is made to handle 500,000+ posts like we have. It was never built to handle all the forums and threads we have. So it's been a constant fight to keep it stable without slowing down or losing posts. I'll feel bad if we have to trim some threads or even (:eek:) split BMO and Sports Mogul into 2 forums. But it's better than having a forum that doesn't work. If that means you lose all incentive to be active, that's a bummer.

[boomboom]

Although vBulletin is made to handle 500,000+ posts like we have. It was never built to handle all the forums and threads we have. So it's been a constant fight to keep it stable without slowing down or losing posts. I'll feel bad if we have to trim some threads or even (:eek:) split BMO and Sports Mogul into 2 forums. But it's better than having a forum that doesn't work. If that means you lose all incentive to be active, that's a bummer.
yes, and your loss for many.

If you visit Pinstack dot com, that site has vbullentin and has over 300k members.... they just upgraded there servers to handle the load. They have a lot of different forums and such...

[Clay Dreslough]

yes, and your loss for many.

If you visit Pinstack dot com, that site has vbullentin and has over 300k members.... they just upgraded there servers to handle the load. They have a lot of different forums and such...I know. I've seen bigger bulletin boards. But they don't have forums that are hooked into BMO. I'll make the best choice I can with the resources we have. I know post counts are important, but they aren't sacrosanct. In fact, with the time we spend umpiring fights about post counts and post padding, I sometimes wonder if we might be better off if there were no post counts at all.

[RickD]

:eek: People fight about stuff on these forums?:eek::rolleyes:

[Reade]

I was just having a little fun at your expense is all, since I knew that you'd get kind of pissed about it. I didn't say a word about it to Clay or Dee or anyone at all until after I did it, when HGM PM'ed me laughing and asking how long I was going to keep the threads deleted. There's no real need to get defensive... If you want the "lead", go right ahead, that doesn't bother me in the least!

my kind of person, screwing with somebody just because you can.

[HoustonGM]

This actually goes directly to my point though. Does it tell how active the person is when many of those posts are from blatant post padding? Doing that dilutes the meaning of post counts, at least in my eyes.
Yeah, that's really my only "problem" with post-padding. I used to do it sometimes, but now the only thread I post on that really qualifies as "padding" is Word Assocation just because...I think it's a fun thing to do. But as both you and Bobby said, the practical use for post counts is to inform users how active of a poster you are, and generally, the more active posters are the more experienced ones on the forums. Post counts that are filled with meaningless padding posts don't get across that information, since it's a mix of "legitimate" and "illegitimate" posts.

On the other forum I often frequent (forums.mtgsalvation.com), they have strict spam rules (as I think is needed for a forum of such a huge magnitude), and they have separate forums for one-word type threads such as Word Association where posts are not counted towards your post count. Combine the strict spam rules and the fact that only forums with meaningful discussion add to post count, the post count on that site gives you meaningful information - how active AND productive the member truly is.

Of course, for a relatively small (in comparison) forum such as ours, I don't really care one way or the other if there are post counts, meaningful or otherwise.

Just some food for thought.

[ohms_law]

my kind of person, screwing with somebody just because you can.

heh

hey, in my own defense, at least I was (mostly) messing with people who could a) see what I was doing and b) do something about it...
;)

[RickD]

.....so basically jokes for the visually enhanced....us blind peons just get caught in the backwash.... :D:p:rolleyes::cool:

I'm cool with that....

[ohms_law]

us blind peons just get caught in the backwash
lol <- for real. I chuckled a bit, at least.
:)

I do like the whole idea of not counting posts in certain forums... and then putting all of the "post padding" threads there. That would at least get rid of the blatent post padding threads while still allowing for the game threads like word association, as HGM mentioned.

I really like the idea behind the changing post counts to titles. The whole count thing simply lends itself to abuse (which is a term I'm using very loosely, since there has always been acceptance of post padding here).

I'm probably opening a bigger can of worms here but, I personally would prefer it if the individual BMO league subforums were split off into a separate forum (Basically, the entire BMO: Leagues forum and it's subforums). Really, their already a separate space anyway, with their own rules and customs. Additionally, if that were to happen, then people's user names on the BMO forums could be made to match their user names on BMO itself (and forum registration there could also be enforced), which would help BMO users. The other BMO forums (general discussion, sugestions, bug reports, etc...) should stay here though.

[Coach Owens]

Remember when I post padded in the "Top 30 Posters"-or whatever it was called-and one of you guys (Mods I mean) closed the thread becasue of it? :p

[boomboom]

I really like the idea behind the changing post counts to titles. The whole count thing simply lends itself to abuse (which is a term I'm using very loosely, since there has always been acceptance of post padding here).

oh,I wasn't talking about getting rid of post counts, but actually having user titles (not edited) but it won't say Register User, it will say "fan"...ect.

I'm probably opening a bigger can of worms here but, I personally would prefer it if the individual BMO league subforums were split off into a separate forum (Basically, the entire BMO: Leagues forum and it's subforums). Really, their already a separate space anyway, with their own rules and customs. Additionally, if that were to happen, then people's user names on the BMO forums could be made to match their user names on BMO itself (and forum registration there could also be enforced), which would help BMO users. The other BMO forums (general discussion, sugestions, bug reports, etc...) should stay here though.[/QUOTE]

I actually think the whole BMO game should be on a seperate forum...nothing like trash talking, swearing name calling that a perspective customer looks at too which the forum moderators (HGM, ohms_law, Robinhoodnic, and myself can do) can't do anything because the league commissioners own that forum.

I also think that the General questions, and ect...should be on a different forum as well, or maybe just hidden and only accessible by a link...for example, form the main page, you click on BMO, then forums...ect. Not clicking on the general forums for BMO...ect..

that is about it :)

[AndrewOsborn]

For those who consider post counts a record of how active you are, wouldn't it be posts per day that you pay attention to? You know, that number next to your total posts on your profile.

[boomboom]

well yes and no, for example, I had 300 post from 2002-2004... HostonGM had underneith 100 post for over a year....and ohms_law has averaged around 20 post per day since he came here....

from 2004- current, I have been probably the 3rd most active poster as the current trend says, but from 2003-6, Michealg123 was the most active by a large margin, He was averaging 40 post per day....

[ohms_law]

That is the problem. It's always posts/days since you joined the forum, and that's just not a very meaningful metric. Posts/day in the last week or month would be more meaningful.

[HoustonGM]

Yeah. I joined the forum about 5 and a half years ago when I first got Baseball Mogul 2003 (wow I can't believe it's been that long...), but didn't post that much until 2005, and even then, I didn't really start posting until the next year.

[Coach Owens]

That is the problem. It's always posts/days since you joined the forum, and that's just not a very meaningful metric. Posts/day in the last week or month would be more meaningful.

What about Posts/9IP? :p

[ohms_law]

hehe

...congrats Coach Owens, you actually made me chuckle.
:)

[Rongar]

What about Posts/9IP? :p

Neato, Coach...:)

[RickD]

How about we write 400 posts about losing 400 posts! :p

[boomboom]

How about we write 400 posts about losing 400 posts! :p
sounds good.

[RickD]

Boomboom I fgured you had my back on that one.

[HoustonGM]

Wells, ohms now has upwards of 30,000 posts.

That is why post padding isn't anything special.

[boomboom]

well because he isn't doing it himself...

[HoustonGM]

Still not really sure why post-padding is anything special, whether or not you do it yourself...All it indicates is...way too much free time. :p

[HoustonGM]

I think most of boombooms were actual responses or games.
Of course. Even with 31,000 posts, most of ohms_law's posts have been actual responses, as well (considering he had 16,000 or so before running the bot). Obviously it was about to reach a point where most of his posts were bot-driven, but yeah.


There is a difference, even if people want to lump all post padding toegther. You don't need to be a genius to see the difference between botting and attaining the number how boomboom did.
Yeah, obviously...

[ohms_law]

I think most of boombooms were actual responses or games.

Boomboom?
;)

[HoustonGM]

Actually, I don't think Ohm's thinks there is a difference, or at least he hasn't proved to me he knows. I mean I think the whole point of his bot was to prove how 'pointless' post padding is, but x does not equal y in this equation.
Post-padding using a bot is pointless, and I also think post-padding just by making short irrelevent posts, as well as threads like "countdowns" and pure spam threads with no point are also pointless.

[boomboom]

Boomboom?
;)

hehe :)

[boomboom]

ohms shall we try for 100k :)

[ohms_law]

sure, why not?
lol

Can't really do much today though, I've got to work...
:(

[RickD]

Stop the insanity....or at least tell me how to play!

[ohms_law]

I guess if you want to type in 'vbulletin bot' in google
lol
good luck with that.

[SirKodiak]

I couldn't connect for a long time this morning, was the board down?

[ohms_law]

I don't know, my whole internet was down from about 2am until around 7am...

[RickD]

:eek: Ohms killed the internet! :p

[ohms_law]

heh... I only wish I had that sort of pull with Comcast... bastards

[RickD]

Ohms....did you tilt the system? :confused: I noticed your post count dropped to 22..:D...man I love the way you keep messing with this stuff....you remind me of the kid who keeps poking the sleeping dog....:p:cool:

[ohms_law]

kinda... i'll explain later. it should fix itself tonight though. maybe.

[RickD]

So I was right....you did break the internet!

[ohms_law]

Anyway, I figured that I proved my point with those padding posts I made the other day, so I went and deleted the threads. Well, I selected all of the threads (since Boomboom made like 8 copies...) and chose delete, then clicked OK. 30 seconds goes by with my browser working, and then I get an "Internal server error" page from the forum. Well, the threads deleted, but instead of "soft deleting" them (which just makes the threads invisible) like I asked it to, vBulletin aparently "Physically deleted" them because their nowhere to be found now. Ever since then my post count has been reset. I'm assuming that the weekly maintenance job (which should occur sometime tonight, I think) will fix the problem though, and honestly I don't really care about it anyway since it's just my post count that seems to have been messed up. IIRC the maintenance job runs at around 2 AM Pacific (5 am Eastern), and I'm guessing that it might take some extra time this time around, so if the forums are slow or something early in the morning I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[RickD]

Ha Ha....Ohms you are one funny man!

[HoustonGM]

Doesn't look like it was corrected. :p

[RickD]

I'm telling you Ohms broke it!

[boomboom]

I lost 4k post, with that, and the 3k post that freaking stieny deleted would put me at 19-20k. :(

[RickD]

I think it's a matter of in trying to prove a point it got out of hand and backfired. Now it only looks like it backfired if you care about post count and Ohms doesn't so to him it is probably no biggie. I am somewhat ambivalent. I like to see how often I have posted but it's not the end of the world to me.

[boomboom]

The world just came crashing down on me :p

[Coach Owens]

I think it's a matter of in trying to prove a point it got out of hand and backfired. Now it only looks like it backfired if you care about post count and Ohms doesn't so to him it is probably no biggie. I am somewhat ambivalent. I like to see how often I have posted but it's not the end of the world to me.

That's what he wants us to think. I bet secretly, he's cursing the air about it.

[Coach Owens]

Oh and I lost like 400 more posts... again.

[boomboom]

I lost 4500 this time...

[HoustonGM]

Oh and I lost like 400 more posts... again.
That's because you posted a bunch in the bot threads Ohms had and those were deleted.

[boomboom]

Before the Bot threads I had 16200 post.... ;)

[HoustonGM]

And ohms had more than 50. Deleting the bot threads obviously did something to the post count for you and him, since you both posted so much in it. So many posts, plus the copying of threads, probably confused the boards somewhere.

[boomboom]

yup, ohms had 16700 before the bot threads...

[RickD]

bot threads, lost posts, sci-fi come to life!

[ohms_law]

Doesn't look like it was corrected. :p
nope, apparently not.
*shrug*

I lost 4k post, with that, and the 3k post that freaking stieny deleted would put me at 19-20k. :(
yea... I just noticed that.
:(

I think we found a vBulletin bug... :rolleyes:

[RickD]

The ohms_law bug.....patent pending....

[ohms_law]

That's what he wants us to think. I bet secretly, he's cursing the air about it.

Honestly, I find it (having such a high post count) embarrassing.
:o

Having my own count reset doesn't bother me in the least. Not that it'll stay low... I'm back up to 60 in a day and a half, after all.
Having others post counts messed up bothers me though. This wasn't supposed to affect others at all.

[RickD]

Midnight.....Ohms house.....

Ohms is furiously typing away...."tweak this, move this, this'll teach those post counters they should play BM more and worry about post counts less.....BoomBoom and done!"

2 days later....."well I made my point and we'll move this back now...and.....??!!??? Oh....Oh..no.......NOOOOOO.....Boomboom will kill me!"

3 days later....ohms enters the internet protection program for those who mess with post count threads....to be continued.

[Coach Owens]

Midnight.....Ohms house.....

Ohms is furiously typing away...."tweak this, move this, this'll teach those post counters they should play BM more and worry about post counts less.....BoomBoom and done!"

2 days later....."well I made my point and we'll move this back now...and.....??!!??? Oh....Oh..no.......NOOOOOO.....Boomboom will kill me!"

3 days later....ohms enters the internet protection program for those who mess with post count threads....to be continued.

4 days later...Ohms reveals that he is BoomBoom as well! :eek:

[RickD]

Lol - there went my secret ending....I was hoping to build momentum for it!

[boomboom]

if we don't play around with settings, then we don't have any problems..btw: do you have admin privleges?

[Coach Owens]

if we don't play around with settings, then we don't have any problems..btw: do you have admin privleges?

Bad moderator, bad!

[ohms_law]

if we don't play around with settings, then we don't have any problems..btw: do you have admin privleges?

nope.

I didn't play around with anything though, all I did was select those threads and choose delete. Left it on soft delete, and clicked the Delete button... then all **** broke loose. lol
Actually, I probably should have used the Prune tool this time. It probably wouldn't have errored out then.

[RickD]

So was there truth to my imagined story?

[Coach Owens]

So was there truth to my imagined story?

Hopefully my addition as well!

[HoustonGM]

Having others post counts messed up bothers me though. This wasn't supposed to affect others at all.
Wasn't your fault that others posted on your thread! :p

[Coach Owens]

Wasn't your fault that others posted on your thread! :p

Yes, it was. :mad: :(

[ohms_law]

Well, I emailed Dee and Ian. I'm asking them to run the Update Post Count tool from the AdminCP. So, as long as they actually run it, some people's counts may change... but they'll actually be more accurate as well.

What a PITA.

[ohms_law]

Wasn't your fault that others posted on your thread! :p

heh, you have a point there...

[Coach Owens]

heh, you have a point there...

It's more Boom's fault than your fault! :mad: :o

[ohms_law]

lol

[Coach Owens]

lol

A question: would you have deleted it or, for that matter, do you think it would have gone nutso had Boom made 8 copies of it?

[RickD]

Only 295 more posts to talk about losing 400 posts!:p

[ohms_law]

A question: would you have deleted it or, for that matter, do you think it would have gone nutso had Boom made 8 copies of it?

Would I have deleted it? Yes.
Would it have caused such a problem? I don't know... maybe.

[HoustonGM]

I was just going to say...I wonder how many of our posts are posts talking about post counts? ;p

[Coach Owens]

I was just going to say...I wonder how many of our posts are posts talking about post counts? ;p

Hehe.

[Rongar]

I was just going to say...I wonder how many of our posts are posts talking about post counts? ;p

I think that the count of how many read a post, is more important...better still, which posts begin, or contribute to an interesting thread.

[boomboom]

well, I got 3 thousand added to my count, and I am still missing 1,500 from my post count :eek:

[RickD]

Could someone do a post transplant and help save boomboom's post count.

[boomboom]

haha

[HoustonGM]

These post counts are the actual correct ones now. The board was updated and posts recounted.

[boomboom]

no they are not, I had 16400 something before Ohms played with the boards.

[HoustonGM]

no they are not, I had 16400 something before Ohms played with the boards.
I'm pretty sure that post counts can just randomly get messed up on their own for a variety of reasons, although they're usually fairly accurate. The vbulletin update goes back through ALL the posts and recounts them, meaning they ARE accurate after the update.

[RickD]

See Post #112 in this thread!

[Coach Owens]

Mine's still like 300 less than what I had before.

[Coach Owens]

Op, never mind.

[boomboom]

just love how people screw with post counts....

[HoustonGM]

just love how people screw with post counts....
Nobody screwed with post counts, really. Ohms made a bot that posted a lot, which isn't screwing with post counts but just...extreme post padding. If anything, i think all the copying of that thread did more to screw up the post counts than anything.

The forum update recounting posts isn't screwing with post counts.

[Coach Owens]

just love how people screw with post counts....

You wouldn't be in this mess if you didn't copy Ohms' thread 8 times! :p

[ohms_law]

yay!
lol

Can we just forget about all of this now? Geez, I've never been so aware of post counts in my life...

[Coach Owens]

yay!
lol

Can we just forget about all of this now? Geez, I've never been so aware of post counts in my life...

Nope!

[boomboom]

no, i am tired of people messing with my post count... ;)

[Reade]

before Ohms played with the boards.

He didn't play with them, he broke them:p

[RickD]

Only 274 posts more to go to talk about 400 posts!