11.10 Changing position causes negative predicted errors

[revive85]

I'm not quite sure if this is classified as a bug or not.

I have successfully changed players positions many times, but came across this situation with a specific player. I had two 1B and this player seemed to have the ability to play LF as well, so I decided to change him to LF. The first screenshot includes his ratings before the change.

After the change, he totally imploded. Overall rating went from 59 to 28. All of his fielding ratings went to 25. The second screenshot includes his ratings after the change.

I can understand that position changes should not always work as planned, but this is a little ridiculous. I can't really think of a reason IRL that this would happen.

[CatKnight]

THAT looks buggy. He shouldn't have imploded THAT badly.

If you have a save, best to leave him alone. Once he hits the majors you can put him in LF and the computer will shift him over in time.

[jcbarr]

To be honest I have never used the change position function. If a guy can play that spot I just play him there and it never seems to cause a problem like that.

This, does seem like a bug. If the guy is rated that high in LF it doesn't make any sense that simply telling him that is where he is going to play would make him instantly suck at every position.

[HoustonGM]

The really low fielding rating indicates to me that the position change caused a huge number of predicted errors, which is what I've changed the title too.

You could confirm this, revive85, by turning on Commish Mode and checking his predicted errors.

The problem with this bug is that it doesn't seem to be easily repeatable. I recall others posting about it before, but this isn't something that happens every time a position change is made, which makes it hard to track down..

[revive85]

The really low fielding rating indicates to me that the position change caused a huge number of predicted errors, which is what I've changed the title too.

You could confirm this, revive85, by turning on Commish Mode and checking his predicted errors.

I can't confirm this right now, I will try later tonight when I get home. I know that when he played a few games after the change, I got really weird results on his fielding statistics (like negative number of errors and other weird stuff). I'll post a screenshot later, too.


The problem with this bug is that it doesn't seem to be easily repeatable. I recall others posting about it before, but this isn't something that happens every time a position change is made, which makes it hard to track down. .

I was able to repeat it for this player (or I wouldn't have a screenshot for before the change). There has to be something in common about this player and other players that this has happened to. Could it have anything to do with his high fielding rating (99)before the change? That seems to really high for a player that is only 22 and in rookie league. Or could it have anything to do with changing from a high rating of 96 at 1B to a more moderate rating of 80 in LF?

If anyone else has had this problem, please give details so we can see what the commonalities of the situation are.

[revive85]

The really low fielding rating indicates to me that the position change caused a huge number of predicted errors, which is what I've changed the title too.

You could confirm this, revive85, by turning on Commish Mode and checking his predicted errors.

The predicted errors are actually negative (see screenshot). I also included a screenshot of his scouting report to show the weird defensive stats (negative errors) as well.

[Red Sox Fan]

I have switched postions many times and have found this to be pretty typical except that the 25 fielding rating seems pretty crazy.

First Basemen in Mogul I find to be the guys that can't play another position -that and Left Field. Not sure why he'd get penalized that much for fielding especially when First Basemen are know to 'dig' the ball out of the dirt.

[CatKnight]

How does one get -0.18 fielding percentage? Is he muffing ALL his plays, then going around and messing up everyone else's plays too?


Tilton: Hey! I got it! Let me help!
CF: No! Stay back! PLEASE!
Tilton: But I got i...!
***CRASH***

[gosensgo101]

Don't you not want to make errors. So it might be a good thing, maybe he's fielding perfectly and catching balls that would've been someone else's error.

[ohms_law]

lol

I think that would have to be it. To have a negative fielding percentage, you'd somehow have to actually prevent an error that already occured.
:D

Personally, I like the -65.93 Range factor. The guy covers so little territory that hitters actually give the ball to him, or something...

[BINGLEBOP]

If you have a save, best to leave him alone. Once he hits the majors you can put him in LF and the computer will shift him over in time.



I agree. Just put him at the desired position and it will change over time that way. I don't think it makes much of a difference statistically which way you do it.

[Dyzalot]

Just put him at the desired position and it will change over time that way. I don't think it makes much of a difference statistically which way you do it.

That doesn't work in the minors. I had the same thing happen to me once when I tried to turn Terry Puhl from a right fielder into a center fielder.

[revive85]

Well, I have an update to this bug report. I simmed through three seasons with Tilton making his way through the minors. He had some pretty good years offensively based on his stats, but his ratings didn't change very much (the defensive stats were still very strange throughout his minor league years). I decided to save my game and bring up Tilton for a season to see what he would do in the starting lineup in the majors.

Well, as you can see in the screenshots, he struggled offensively, but this isn't what the thread was about. His defensive numbers were decent when he played his normal position of LF. When my CF got injured, the AI moved him to CF, and he made 21 errors in 6 games.

I was going to sim another season to see if his offensive numbers would improve, but he retired in the offseason (probably because his rating was 33 overall at the time). The screenshots show fair ratings for his one season of play because I believe retired ratings are based on stats, not projections.