Celtics v. Lakers

[jdiggin]

What do you think????

Do you think the Celtics are stepping up?

Do you think the Lakers are choking?

Do you think its a combination of the two?

[HoustonGM]

Neither.

When a team loses in a playoff series, they didn't necessarily choke, and when a team wins, they didn't necessarily "step it up." Maybe it's just because the Celtics are the better team, and the better team wins more often than not.

[jdiggin]

Neither.

When a team loses in a playoff series, they didn't necessarily choke, and when a team wins, they didn't necessarily "step it up." Maybe it's just because the Celtics are the better team, and the better team wins more often than not.

How about regarding just last nights game?

[HoustonGM]

I don't know. I didn't watch. I'm not into basketball. I'm just saying, in every sport, people try to explain playoff games by saying one team choked or another stepped up, when usually it's just the better team winning.

[Arctic Blast]

I went with both. Boston has played well, but LA keeps falling apart in the clutch.

[gRYFYN1]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "choking", did they play sloppy on D, sure they did, but they got out rebounded by a much better rebounding team, they had there offense shut down by the top defence in the league, and their bench got outplayed by a better Boston bench.

But you dont make up a 21 point defecit in the last 18 mins with out one team playing bad and the other playing good.

[Arctic Blast]

Part of the problem for LA is that their bench has absolutely disappeared. Has Luke Walton done ANYTHING in this series? He was hitting big shots every game in the previous series'.

[gRYFYN1]

Part of the problem for LA is that their bench has absolutely disappeared. Has Luke Walton done ANYTHING in this series? He was hitting big shots every game in the previous series'.

Well Phil Jackson isnt even really playing Walton, hes averging less that 10 min a game has only take 10 shots.


But really what happened to Jackson being a great coach? Doc is making him look real bad. and what the **** was up with the interview before Q4 in the 4th game ?!?!

his response to Tofoya asking what happend was "I don't know, what happened" ?? was he sleeping? out drinking with Flip Saunders ?

[nuzzy62]

I hate Kobe

[Arctic Blast]

Phil has almost been coaching like a bizarro version of himself this series. I mean, you're up by 24 at the half, and Odom has been playing really well, so you take the ball OUT of his hands, and change your whole system for the 2nd half? Huh?

[daves]

Lakers did well to win the West, but their lack of quality veterans is showing. Celtics appear to have a better veteran goup to handle this series.

[Passed Ball]

I think the NBA rigged the playoffs to get the Lakers and Celtics to distract from their rigging the playoffs 6 years ago to keep Sacramento out of the finals. I'm not really all that interested in a fixed sporting event.

[Swampdog]

Ridiculous.

[gRYFYN1]

I think the NBA rigged the playoffs to get the Lakers and Celtics to distract from their rigging the playoffs 6 years ago to keep Sacramento out of the finals. I'm not really all that interested in a fixed sporting event.

Well all sporting events are rigged, didn't you know that, actually they are all controlled by the government in order to distract people from what they are doing. In fact most of the "fans" at games aren't even real fans they are government operatives there to ensure the outcome.


Well, either that or the people who think they are fixed are just conspiracy theory morons ...

[SirKodiak]

I stopped watching basketball when I felt that the refs allowed stars to get away with too much (traveling on the way to a dunk, fouls based on the star power of the players involved, etc.), so my vote is for I don't care. Shame too, as I once enjoyed it (even watched the finals back in the '70s when they weren't shown until after the 11pm newscast).

[nuzzy62]

Did I say that I hate Kobe?

[nuzzy62]

I love the Lakers though

[koolzach1]

Weird...

[gRYFYN1]

I stopped watching basketball when I felt that the refs allowed stars to get away with too much (traveling on the way to a dunk, fouls based on the star power of the players involved, etc.), so my vote is for I don't care. Shame too, as I once enjoyed it (even watched the finals back in the '70s when they weren't shown until after the 11pm newscast).

Kinda like Umps giving star pitchers borderline strike calls? Or borderline walks to star hitters who a know to "have a good eye".

Sadly that kinda stuff happens in all sports.

[Arctic Blast]

It does happen a lot in hoops, though. Jordan was undoubtedly a great player, but good LORD did he get away with a lot of traveling!

[RickD]

I picked Neither! Go Yankees!

[SirKodiak]

Kinda like Umps giving star pitchers borderline strike calls? Or borderline walks to star hitters who a know to "have a good eye".

Sadly that kinda stuff happens in all sports.

Kinda. But to me, basketball was at a level more like giving Maddux a strike for any pitch that was within a foot of the strike zone.

[filihok]

I don't understand the question. The Celtics are better than the Lakers...

[koolzach1]

The Celtics really are better than the Lakers, so I don't understand why everyone is so surprised they are up 3-2. Celtics have 3 superstars as compared to 1 superstar for the Lakers. Though, with Kobe, anything is possible.

[belial]

I don't feel the Celtics is the better team. Sadly in a short series, and yes 7 games is short, the poorer team can often snatch victory.

[Arctic Blast]

koolzach " At this point in his career, I question Ray Allen being a superstar. Actually, though he's been a great SHOOTER, was he ever a guy who sold tickets? That's my definition of a superstar player in ANY sport.

[belial]

I would say Pau Gasol's skills are better than Ray Allen's and Fisher is equal to Allen at this point in time, making the 'superstars' actually work out to be around 2 to 2.

[gRYFYN1]

Fisher is equal to Allen at this point in time, making the 'superstars' actually work out to be around 2 to 2.


Allen may not be a "superstar" player anymore but he is alot better than fisher. Fisher would never be asked to guard the other teams best scorer (as allen did the entire Detroit series), he isn't a player that his team can rely on, and only averages 28 mpg, and 11 PPG.

I wouldn't consider Gasol a superstar either, he has a tendancy to vanish for most of games, and while he can dominate at times he doesn't do it consistently , nor to you EXPECT him to. (actually i think Gasol and Allen are a closer comparison)

But I'm not sure why people are surpised either, after all the team with more wins (66-57) better head-to-head record (2-0) better scoring differential (10.3-7.3/game) and better rebounding diff (3.1-1.4/game) is leading.

[koolzach1]

Ray Allen used to be a superstar. He has worn down a little bit, but still a star. He has one of the best strokes in the NBA, and he is a good defender. Allen has been on video game titles, and up there with the league leaders in ppg; I would classify him as at the very least, a star.

Derek Fisher is NOT even close to a star. I like Fisher, and I think he is a good PG, but he doesn't have very good numbers; he and Rondo are about equal.

Even so, when you got 3 players in a lineup who score around 20 ppg or more, and are veterans with some playoff experience, who are hungry for a ring - The team will be awesome, which is the case with the Celtics.

I still predict that the Lakers will win in 7, though. Might just be that I am a huge Lakers fan, and a huge Kobe fan, but we shall see. As TO says... get the popcorn ready.

[Arctic Blast]

Okay, you make some points regarding Allen...I'm willing to concede a bit on that front. I do agree, also, that Fisher was NEVER a star. Nice player, nice piece of a team, but never a star player.

One reason I was favoring the Lakers was that, yes, Boston racked up a ton of wins...but against who? There weren't exactly a lot of good-very good teams out East that presented a big challenge. Teams in the West play a much more competitive schedule right now, because it's a deeper conference. And Boston hadn't impressed me in any playoff round prior to this one.

[gRYFYN1]

One reason I was favoring the Lakers was that, Teams in the West play a much more competitive schedule right now, because it's a deeper conference. And Boston hadn't impressed me in any playoff round prior to this one.

Interesting thought But look at teh numbers and who they played

Boston vs the "deeper [western] conference" was 25-5 an .833 win %
their finals opponent Detroit (the 2nd best record in the league) was 22-8 (.733) both better than the Lakers 20-10 effort vs the "weaker" east or thier .711 vs the west.

The Lakers had to play SA (23-7 v east) to reach the finals (a team without it best scorer, Manu playing uselessly on a bum ankle)

The lakers were were 2-4 vs the PO teams boston played, and 9-7 vs all eastern PO teams

The celtics: 4-2 vs LA PO opponents, and 12-4 vs Western PO teams.

So - - don't believe the hype just cuz Jim Rome and Skip Bayless scream loud enough.

[koolzach1]

It's a known fact that the Western Conference is much deeper (look at the standings and talent). If I am not mistaken, didn't Boston play a lot of the weaker Western Conference teams?

[gRYFYN1]

If I am not mistaken, didn't Boston play a lot of the weaker Western Conference teams?

Um, 2 vs each one just like every other team.

Boston Vs the West

PO teams :12-4
non PO team :11-1
vs team .500 or better: 16-4

Laker vs the east:

PO teams :9-7
non PO teams :12-0
vs team .500 or better: 6-6

so the celts killed all the the west and the lakers feasted on the poor bottom half of the east.

[Clay Dreslough]

I said 'neither' because other than Game 4, both teams are talented and playing hard for the most part. Even if you include Game 4, every game has been pretty close at the end. These are two pretty evenly matched teams. The Celtics took one in LA, but I figured the Lakers would also take 1 in Boston, and they almost did. If they had done so, it would be the Celtics fighting for their survival.

I think the Celtics have a bit more talent, which is why they won more games in the regular season. But I don't think the Lakers are down 3-2 because they choked. Did the Celtics "choke" in the first half of Game 4? Why is it that when you play horribly in the first half of a game, they don't call it a choke?

:)

[gRYFYN1]

Oh and is anyone less interested in this game/series than Phil Jackson ??

I mean really what is up ??

[gRYFYN1]

Oh and is anyone less interested in this game/series than Phil Jackson ??

I mean really what is up ??

Ok maybe Kobe I think he's given up.

on the 2nd to last possession (Perkins Block), i don't think he made it past half court

On thier last possession he jacks a long the as soon as he touches it with 6 sec left.

And as far as who's team this is, the answer Peirce has played 71:58 of the last 72:00 min.

[EVEN11323]

Way to roll over and die. Jeez.

[gRYFYN1]

Way to roll over and die. Jeez.

Who leaves the building to beat traffic 1st Kobe or Jackson?

(sorry the Rum and party are making me belligerent, i AM an boston fan afterall)

[Arctic Blast]

I definitely agree with you, gryfyn1, about Phil Jackson. He's physically there, but I have no idea where he really is.

You're right about the Spurs with a banged up Manu, but Detroit was missing Rip Hamilton basically half their series with Boston, and Chauncey Billups wasn't exactly a picture of health, either.

[gRYFYN1]

but Detroit was missing Rip Hamilton basically half their series with Boston, and Chauncey Billups wasn't exactly a picture of health, either.

true but if i pointed out the flaws in my own argument that wouldn't be professional .. ( Also these key are getting smaller or my finger are getting bigger .. is so hard to type correctly .. or maybe it cuz things are getting blurry)

[koolzach1]

Ok maybe Kobe I think he's given up.

on the 2nd to last possession (Perkins Block), i don't think he made it past half court

On thier last possession he jacks a long the as soon as he touches it with 6 sec left.

And as far as who's team this is, the answer Peirce has played 71:58 of the last 72:00 min.

Lol, responding to yourself now, 'eh? :p

Just kidding, but I see Kobe still hustling every play, and trying to pump his teammates up. Phil Jackson, I hate to say it, as he is one of my favorite coaches, has looked disinterested through the whole finals, IMO.

[gRYFYN1]

Just kidding, but I see Kobe still hustling every play, and trying to pump his teammates up.

Yeah the Kobe piling on is more the drinks, even people here are saying that.

[koolzach1]

Congrats Boston fans. It's looks like you guys went from cellar dweller to NBA Champs.

BTW, I know some Celtics fans, and you guys have a right to be happy and all, but jeez... act like you've been here before... at least some of 'em I know :p

All I have to say is... "Calm down, calm down, calm down... don't get a big (Wang)".

If you've seen the Tourrettes Guy videos, than you'd know what I meant by that last statement :D

[koolzach1]

Ok come on!

The Celtics AREN'T this good!

[koolzach1]

I hate to say this, but the Celtics are acting very un-classy!

Shooting 3's, committing hard fouls, trash talking, etc... And they are up 38.

Maybe I am a little bitter, but what I am saying IS true.

[nuzzy62]

wow three bad runs in a row for the Lakers.

[nuzzy62]

It's been a long time since I've seen a team stumble at an end of a game as badly as the Lakers did in the final three games against the Celtics. Poor shots, poor defence, poor coaching. They hit the trifecta.

[gRYFYN1]

I hate to say this, but the Celtics are acting very un-classy!

Shooting 3's, committing hard fouls, trash talking, etc... And they are up 38.

Maybe I am a little bitter, but what I am saying IS true.

Um, they committed 5 fouls in the 4th quarter ( 2 by Davis in the 1st minute), yeah they shot 5 3s but 4 of them were by Ray Allen, and thats what he does.

They did Pull all the starters with over 4 minutes to go, and it was LA not Boston that committed the flagrant foul in a 30 point game.

[koolzach1]

Oh don't get m wrong, as I am happy for the Celtics and their fans. I just think that running up the score was a little run, and it pissed me off a little bit. They were shooting 3's at the end of the game, when I thought they should be running the clock out and going for layups. Seems like a lot of the Boston teams like to run up the score (Pats and Celts) :p

Again, don't get me wrong, as I am happy for the Celtics and their fans. I am making ZERO excuses as which to why the Lakers lost the series. Bad defense, bad coaching, bad execution overall - they were soft, and they were manhandled in every aspect of the game!

Good job Celtics;

[belial]

Boston fans are horrible - period. Immature, spoiled brats. They don't derseve a champion, but KG and Pierce did. Too bad it had to happen to such jerks of fans.

[Swampdog]

Boston fans are great. Among the best in the world. As a Celtic fan, please excuse me while I take a moment to celebrate a fabulous win, and a great team ..................................... Ok, thanks. What is the best thing about this Boston championship;

A) Watching the Celtics complete the greatest turnaround in NBA history, or


B) Watching the Lakers take an a$$-whipping of epic proportions, exposing them as a pretender (sub-category question...... Better watching the Fakers humiliated in Game 6, or their historic meltdown in Game 4?), or

C) Enjoying the bitterness and sour grapes of the haters (and fans of the losers--see above posts).

It's a wash, pretty much, I would say. All three are enjoyable beyond belief.

For all of those who made statements like "The Lakers WILL win", and the ridiculous "It will go seven games because the NBA wants it to". Tell the truth .....dont you feel rather foolish right now?

[belial]

Thank you for proving my point.

[Arctic Blast]

So, I'm supposed to feel foolish for thinking the other team would win? Why, exactly, is that? Tell ya what...I'll feel foolish for that right around the time you feel foolish for acting like a frontrunning, egotistical ***.

[belial]

Hah, let them have it, arctic blast

[ohms_law]

The Celtics still won...

[Swampdog]

Yeah, and the difference is that most people, those with any sense, dont say things like "The Lakers WILL win"..... or "The Celtics WILL win". Thats the point. Not to mention the ridiculous theories of the league manipulating the series so it will go 7 games. Look at the stats on 7 game NBA finals over the past 20 years or so. The facts are that the finals going 7 games is a very rare occurrence these days. but don't let the truth get in the way of a good nonsensical theory. THATS the point. Making statements like that just make one look foolish.

If history has proven anything, its that anything can happen in a sporting event. As for being "front-running"......my guess is that I have been a fan of the Celtics and Red Sox for longer than you have been alive, Arctic. I endured the lean years (no championships from 1986-2004) without the acrimony you now display. So please forgive us poor Boston fans if we celebrate our titles.

And yes, destroying the Lakers gives it special meaning..... much like humiliating the hated Yankees with the comeback from 0-3 in 2004 is particularly pleasing.

Too bad you non-Boston fans dont display the grace you claim that others lack.

[belial]

The Celtics still won...

Boston fans are still horrible...

[Swampdog]

Believe what you choose, Belial......But I have never seen more fervent, knowledgeable, and yes, classy fans. Boston is a fantastic city as well.

[belial]

Yeah, and the difference is that most people, those with any sense, dont say things like "The Lakers WILL win"..... or "The Celtics WILL win". Thats the point. Not to mention the ridiculous theories of the league manipulating the series so it will go 7 games. Look at the stats on 7 game NBA finals over the past 20 years or so. The facts are that the finals going 7 games is a very rare occurrence these days. but don't let the truth get in the way of a good nonsensical theory. THATS the point. Making statements like that just make one look foolish.

If history has proven anything, its that anything can happen in a sporting event. As for being "front-running"......my guess is that I have been a fan of the Celtics and Red Sox for longer than you have been alive, Arctic. I endured the lean years (no championships from 1986-2004) without the acrimony you now display. So please forgive us poor Boston fans if we celebrate our titles.

And yes, destroying the Lakers gives it special meaning..... much like humiliating the hated Yankees with the comeback from 0-3 in 2004 is particularly pleasing.

Too bad you non-Boston fans dont display the grace you claim that others lack.


Boston fans were less assholish when the Red Sox weren't able to get it done for about a friggen century. Then the Patriots started cheating, the Red Sox got lucky and now Boston fans are smug - couple this with the huge Bostonian ego and it's a digusting combination that people around the country hate.


And yes, most people make predictions, and what is friggen wrong with that? The fact remains that in a short series, the poorer team can often win, and timing is everything. If LA and Boston played a month ago, LA probably wins in 5 games. Boston was not the better team but they won. People are supposed to feel foolish because some freak thing happened? Right. Time to pass that pipe, buddy.

[Swampdog]

You are quite wrong Belial. Again. The Celtics, by any measure, were the better team. I dont see how anyone could rationally conclude anything else. Even the lakers say this. As do many of their fans. Being objective, its the only conclusion that can be reached.

Again....there is nothing wrong with thinking.....THINKING.....a team will win. Making a prediction to that effect is fine. On the other hand, some people act like they somehow KNOW which team will win. And yes, they look foolish, whether they feel foolish or not.

Pipe? Sorry, I dont drink, smoke, or take drugs. You keep the pipe, and take solace in that. Perhaps that will help heal your hurt feelings.

[belial]

I seriously doubt anyone thought they KNEW 100%. Maybe that's just the Boston fan perception problem showing up again.

Of course, the Lakers will 'say the right things.' They are a great franchise with a great front office and a gracious coach. The only thing the 6 game series showed objectively was Boston won 4 out of 6 in a short series. That's not enough games to change what I saw over a season and the preceding playoffs.

Who's feelings are hurt? I was just trying to let Boston fans understand the perception that they have around the nation and they can try to change if they want.

[Swampdog]

Thanks Belial, I cant speak for anyone else, but I will give that (the fanhood thing) the consideration it deserves. I will say that the Lakers were slightly more gracious than I expected. I don't think much of Bryant as a teammate or person (from what I know), and I did enjoy the fact that he basically was neutered at the end of each game, except for one, maybe. His "Kobe-the-assassin" thing took quite a beating in the view of many.

[belial]

Heh so what? KG had a reputation as a pathetic loser, now suddenly (with paul pierce carrying him) he's an emotional champion, a great winner. Kobe will dominant in some more playoff series and get back his street cred - don't worry about that.
People have a short memory when it comes to an active player.

[Swampdog]

People have short memories when it comes to just about anything in sports, it seems. I dont think that Garnett was considered a "pathetic loser".... thats a little strong. Was Pierce a pathetic loser......before he actually had talent around him? Don't think so.

As for Kobe-the-assistant..... thats what his legacy will be, I hope. He did help win titles when he was Shaq's assistant, and he drove Shaq away because his gigantic ego couldnt stand being the #2 guy, with Shaq getting all the credit. He deserves losing, and I hope it continues.

[HoustonGM]

Boston fans were less assholish when the Red Sox weren't able to get it done for about a friggen century. Then the Patriots started cheating, the Red Sox got lucky and now Boston fans are smug - couple this with the huge Bostonian ego and it's a digusting combination that people around the country hate..
Give credit where credit is due. Just because you hate a team, a city, or whatever, doesn't mean that their winning is because they got lucky. In order to win 2 World Series in 4 years in this day and age, you have to be doing something right.

[Swampdog]

The complaints about Boston fans are baseless anyway. There are great fans in every city, and each team has its share of obnoxious, unruly fans (especially LA and NY.... just cant help it). Exactly what do Boston fans do differently than other fans? Nothing except celebrate, because Boston is enjoying an unprecedented era of winning. Are fans smug? I dont see how. Their teams win, so that makes them happy. Would Chicago fans be any different? Or New York Fans? Houston? I doubt it. If so... how, exactly?

What irritates people...like the posters in these forums... is not how Boston fans act... its that Boston fans get to celebrate so many winners over the past few years, and there is envy and bitterness. Its a feeling that they dont deserve so many champions... and that NO fans deserve so many, unless, of course, its THEIR team thats doing all the winning.

This is nothing new. I remember the feeling that Oakland did nothing to deserve 4 WS winners in the 70's and 80's (they didnt even support their teams, attendance wise). Why did Chicago deserve 6 NBA championships in the 90's? They didnt, really. You didnt think that those fans were "smug" and "obnoxious" when it came to the Bulls? They were. I remember it quite well. Bulls fans at that team led the league in "smugness", and, due to Jordan, they did win. Over and over again.

Boston's run wont last forever. No team wins all the time. The poor Yankees havent won this century (yes, I LOVE saying that), and the Lakers havent won in 6 years now. Jeezus, boohoo. I can tell you that, from an outsider looking in, no one is more annoying than Yankees fans, although the Lakers fans are close.

If I have a choice between having my teams lose, so "other" people wont hate Boston fans, or have those teams win championships, and be perceived as somehow smug and undeserving......I'm going to have to take the championships every time, and not care who doesnt like it. I rather doubt that fans of any other team feels differently

[belial]

It's not that Boston teams have been winning - I don't hate San Antonio fans. It's just that Boston fans are generally jerks.

[Swampdog]

So...how many Boston fans do you know personally? I know several dozen... and you can count the jerks on your thumbs. You know, this is pointless. You claim that Boston fans are jerks. Ok. I dont comprehend your position. Based on the tone of several of your posts, no doubt some think that you are a jerk (remember the pipe comment? Was that really called for? Or were you just being a jerk?)

Think what you choose, no matter to me. My team just won another title, and I'm happy. I dont ever let another persons problems/bitterness effect me in real life, and it certainly isnt going to bother me in an online forum.

[ohms_law]

Like I said, the Celtics still won.

[HoustonGM]

It's not that Boston teams have been winning - I don't hate San Antonio fans. It's just that Boston fans are generally jerks.
Lakers fans are generally jerks.

Yankee fans are generally jerks.

Piston fans are generally jerks.

Tiger Woods fans are generally jerks.

This is because people are generally jerks.

I know, very pessimistic view of people.

[Swampdog]

Ohms...who won again?

[ohms_law]

um... I forgot. Who were the competitors again?

[Swampdog]

Come on, just say it.

[belial]

Lakers fans are generally jerks.

Yankee fans are generally jerks.

Piston fans are generally jerks.

Tiger Woods fans are generally jerks.

This is because people are generally jerks.

I know, very pessimistic view of people.

This isn't even true.

[belial]

Ohms...who won again?

Not the Boston fans.

[HoustonGM]

This isn't even true.
Maybe not entirely.

However, it IS true that in every group of people, there are jerks. And sometimes, those jerks are louder and more noticeable than the non-jerks, even if the jerks are the minority.

[belial]

Well yea

[Swampdog]

Ever notice that, those who constantly refer to others as jerks, are quite often considered to be jerks themselves?

[belial]

No but I noticed one too many commas.

[Swampdog]

Really? And now YOU are going to correct spelling, grammar and punctuation? You REALLY want to go there, Hater?

[belial]

I noticed one too few in that one.

[HoustonGM]

Oh my God.

[Swampdog]

Can opened, worms everywhere, Hater. Big mistake, based on what I've seen from you.

[belial]

Well - you were the one that took 'jerk' to the personal level. I just spoke in general terms. You made an implication that I was a jerk. But right, I'm the bad guy. Don't worry, you'll get HGM's me-toos to agree with you.

[HoustonGM]

Well - you were the one that took 'jerk' to the personal level.
I don't think he was calling you a jerk. He was saying that some consider you a jerk.

[Swampdog]

Actually, you made it quite clear that you consider all Boston fans to be jerks. I have made it quite clear that I am a Boston fan. How is that not personal? You must be joking.

[belial]

I, uh what? I said generally Boston fans are whiners (which they are), spoiled brats (most New Englanders are), and few other things. I don't ever recall saying 'all', and if I did then I have no friggen clue why I did that.

[HoustonGM]

Boston fans are horrible - period. Immature, spoiled brats.
You didn't say "all" but it was pretty much implied.

[belial]

No way should anything anybody says about a large group of people ever be taken as a blanket statement.

[belial]

You didn't say "all" but it was pretty much implied.

It wasn't. Who the **** would make a blanket statement about a group of people that large?

[HoustonGM]

No way should anything anybody says about a large group of people ever be taken as a blanket statement.
When you say Group X IS something PERIOD...that seems pretty blanket to me.

[belial]

I thought everyone knew blanket statements are always wrong. WTF Why would anyone assume anything is a blanket statement?

[belial]

When you say Group X IS something PERIOD...that seems pretty blanket to me.

Right, because no one ever speaks in general terms.

[belial]

And yeah, he covered his *** but you have to be pretty friggen dense to claim he didn't mean to call me a jerk in his passive-aggressive manner.

[HoustonGM]

Right, because no one ever speaks in general terms.
When they do, they generally don't say it in a way that leaves no other options. For example, you later said "Boston fans are generally jerks." That's speaking in general terms. "Boston fans ARE jerks, PERIOD" is not speaking in general terms.

[belial]

Like I said, I didn't count on people being that dense. Obviously, what I meant is now clear. Let's get on to what swampdog meant.

[belial]

or not...

[HoustonGM]

or not...
You know, people aren't on the forums 24/7.

[Arctic Blast]

Swampdog : Look, I am in no way aggrieved to see Boston-area fans getting a ahnce to celebrate success. Boston does have an incredibly passionate fan base, no doubt about that at all. I just get annoyed when I make a PREDICTION, then am suddenly getting called out as foolish and deluded when a PREDICTION doesn't bear out. Dickishness annoys me, call me crazy.

I agree wholeheartedly that smugness tends to be directly related to sustained success. Definitely, if the Yanks AND the Giants AND the Knicks (I could barely add them and maintain a straight face) were all winning titles, NY fans would be acting exactly the same.

[belial]

You know, people aren't on the forums 24/7.

Ok, well lets find out what he meant by what he said.

[belial]

I thunked the Celtics would win

This annoyance moniker stuff has to stop.