"What If" Dynasty Idea

[KidCavalier23]

Some of you make be asking, what is this. I thought it would be a cool idea if someone on the boards did this. Here is an example of what I would like to see...

Boston never trades Nomar Garciaparra, leaving me with Nomar as my starting shortstop and Matt Murton as my starting right fielder. However, Orlando Cabrera and Edgar Renteria are both in Chicago and Detroit respectively, since they were both free agents between now and the initial deal, leaving no "ripple effect". Julio Lugo is off somewhere being terrible.

However, some deals cannot be made, for instance: One scenario leaves Randy Johnson in Seattle, therefore Javier Vazquez "never played for" the Diamondbacks, so the Chris Young trade never happened.

Also, compensation draft picks aren't re-directed because it would be extremely complicated, so just because Pedro Martinez left Boston doesn't mean that Boston never drafts Clay Buchholz.

The one other rule is the scenario must have effects today. For example, if Roger Clemens stayed with the Red Sox, never "allegedly took steroids", then he would probably be out of baseball anyway. Therefore, that scenario doesn't matter in 2008. 45 is the cutoff, so players such as Dwight Gooden and Brien Taylor possibly would make the cut.

Lets try to get 3 scenarios for every team and then work from there.

[KidCavalier23]

Arizona Diamondbacks
*Micah Owings decides to play the outfield in college instead of pitch. Today, he is an all star for the Diamondbacks.

Atlanta Braves
*The Pirates never reject the Barry Bonds deal and Bonds is currently playing for Atlanta.

Baltimore Orioles
*Erik Bedard is never traded to the Mariners for Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Kam Mickolio and Tony Butler. This means that Wilkerson will not be resigned.

Boston Red Sox
*Hideki Matsui goes to the Red Sox instead of the Yankees due to the hole in left field.

Chicago Cubs
*Dontrelle Willis, Jose Cueto, Ryan Jorgenson, and Julian Tavarez are never traded to the Marlins for Antonio Alfonseca and Matt Clement.

Chicago White Sox

Cincinnati Reds

Cleveland Indians
*Tim Lincecum is signed by the Indians after being drafted in the 42nd round of the 2005 amateur draft. Today he is one of the best pitchers in all of baseball.

Colorado Rockies
*Never trade Jake Westbrook, John Nicholsen, and Mark Hamlin to the Expos for Mike Lansing
*Never trade Chone Figgins to the Angels for Kimera Bartee

Detroit Tigers
*John Smoltz is never traded to Atlanta in 1987.

Florida Marlins
*Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell are never traded to Boston, leaving Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Harvey Garcia, and Jesus Delgado in Red Sox uniforms.

Houston Astros
*Carlos Beltran never leaves Houston after receiving a 4 year deal worth $36 million per year. The contract expires after the 2009 season.

Kansas City Royals

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

Los Angeles Dodgers
*Pedro Martinez is never traded to the Expos (Nationals) for Delino DeShields. Pedro continues to dominate the NL West even at the age of 36.

Milwaukee Brewers

Minnesota Twins
*The A.J. Pierzynski trade never occurs, leaving Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano, and Joe Nathan in the Giants organization.
*David Ortiz is never released by the Twins, and becomes the best DH in the American League.

New York Mets
*Scott Kazmir is never dealt to Tampa Bay with Jose Diaz for Bartolome Fortunato and Victor Zambrano.
*The New York Mets win the bid on Daisuke Matsuzaka with a bid of $65 million dollars. Matsuzaka was signed to a 5 year deal at 6.4 million per year.
*Kaz Matsui becomes a great shortstop, one of the best in the majors while Jose Reyes plays an outstanding secondbase for the Mets.

New York Yankees
*Alfonso Soriano is never traded, leaving him at second base for the Yankees.

Oakland A's

Philadelphia Phillies
*JD Drew signs with the Phillies when drafted 2nd overall by them. He is in his second contract with them which expires in 2008.

Pittsburgh Pirates

San Diego Padres
*The Padres never trade Jason Bay, Oliver Perez, and Corey Stewart to the Pirates for Brian Giles.

San Francisco Giants
*Robb Nen never injures his shoulder, and remains the San Francisco closer today.

Seattle Mariners
*Ken Griffey Jr. is never traded to Cincinnati, leaving him in a Seattle uniform.
*Alex Rodriguez recieves a contract extension from the Mariners, leaving him in Seattle. The Mariners never sign Adrian Beltre.
*Randy Johnson never gets traded to Houston, leaving Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen in Houston Astros uniforms.

St. Louis Cardinals

Tampa Bay Rays
*Josh Hamilton never gets addicted to illegal drugs and is believed to be the best player in the Major Leagues. He is definetly the best centerfielder in baseball.
*Rocco Baldelli is able to maintain his health and contributes a lot for the Rays. He moves over to left field so Hamilton can cover center.

Texas Rangers

Toronto Blue Jays
*Roger Clemens is never traded to New York, remains a Blue Jay since 1997.
*Carlos Delgado resigned with the Jays during the 2004 offseason for 4 years at $7,000,000 per year.
*They Jays never trade Michael Young to the Rangers for Darwin Cubillian and Estaban Loaiza.

Washington Nationals
*The Nationals do not move to Washington and remain the Montreal Expos.
*The Nationals don't trade Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Cliff Lee for Bartolo Colon.

[KidCavalier23]

Okay, you are now allowed to suggest scenarios!

[dannymac910]

The Yankees never draft Jeter.

[cujo376]

The Jays Trade Rios For Lincecum in the 08 off-season
The Jays don't trade Clemens
The Jays draft Troy Tulowitzki instead of Ricky Romero in the 2005 draft.

[KidCavalier23]

The Yankees never draft Jeter.

It has to be either a trade or free agency. Let me edit my first post.

[KidCavalier23]

The Jays Trade Rios For Lincecum in the 08 off-season
The Jays don't trade Clemens
The Jays draft Troy Tulowitzki instead of Ricky Romero in the 2005 draft.

The Clemens one works because it was realistic. The other two won't because one is fictional and the other was a draft pick.

[haveacigar]

The Tigers never trade John Smoltz in 1987 for Doyle Alexander

The Dodgers never trade Pedro Martinez for Delino ****ing DeShields (I know filihok would like that)

Kind of reaches for the present day but I'd like to see a dynasty that gives either team good management in the 90s.

Another good one, which makes me cringe at the possibility of it:

Juan Gonzalez accepts the 7 year, 156 million dollar contract offered by the Tigers during the 2000 season.

[KidCavalier23]

-Ken Griffey Jr. is never traded to Cincinnati, leaving him in a Seattle uniform.
-Alex Rodriguez recieves a contract extension from the Mariners, leaving him in Seattle.
-Randy Johnson never gets traded to Houston, leaving Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen in Houston Astros uniforms.

[haveacigar]

what about if Boston completes their trade for A-rod, and he joined the Red Sox instead of the Yankees?

[KidCavalier23]

The Tigers never trade John Smoltz in 1987 for Doyle Alexander

The Dodgers never trade Pedro Martinez for Delino ****ing DeShields (I know filihok would like that)

Kind of reaches for the present day but I'd like to see a dynasty that gives either team good management in the 90s.

Another good one, which makes me cringe at the possibility of it:

Juan Gonzalez accepts the 7 year, 156 million dollar contract offered by the Tigers during the 2000 season.

The Smoltz and Pedro ones work. Juan Gonzalez is a good idea as well, but the 7 year deal would have expired by now. Good idea though ;)

[rockiesfan4ever]

Rockies:
Sign Helton to a shorter/cheaper deal
Never trade Jake Westbrook, John Nicholsen, and Mark Hamlin to the Expos for Mike Lansing
Never trade Chone Figgins to the Angels for Kimera Bartee
Re-Sign Andres Galarraga in the 1997 offseason

Angels:
Never trade Dante Bichette to the Brewers for Dave Parker

Expos/Nats:
Re-sign Larry Walker in the 1994 offseason

Rangers:
Re-Sign Pudge in the 2002 offseason

Blue Jays:
Never trade Jeff Kent and Ryan Thompson to the Mets for David Cone

Indians:
Re-Sign Omar Vizquel in the 2004 offseason

Dodgers:
Never trade Mike Piazza and Todd Zeile to the Marlins for Manuel Barrios, Bobby Bonilla, Jim Eisenreich, Charles Johnson, and Gary Sheffield.

Pirates:
Re-Sign Barry Bonds in the 1992 offseason

White Sox:
Never trade Mike Cameron, Jake Meyer, Antonio Perez, and Brett Tomko to the Mariners for Ken Griffey.

[KidCavalier23]

*The Yankees sign Adrian Beltre to a 6 year, 60 million dollar deal after the Aaron Boone injury.
*Alfonso Soriano is never traded, leaving him in left field for the Yankees.

[KidCavalier23]

*Dontrelle Willis, Jose Cueto, Ryan Jorgenson, and Julian Tavarez are never traded to the Marlins for Antonio Alfonseca and Matt Clement.
*Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell are never traded to Boston, leaving Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Harvey Garcia, and Jesus Delgado in Red Sox uniforms.

[KidCavalier23]

colorado never sign hampton and neagle in 2001

They work, but would not have much of an effect in 2008, so I am going to lay off on those.

[dannymac910]

Bonds gets traded to the Yankees in 1990 and plays DH for 20 years.

[KidCavalier23]

*Scott Kazmir is never dealt to Tampa Bay with Jose Diaz for Bartolome Fortunato and Victor Zambrano.

[KidCavalier23]

Bonds gets traded to the Yankees in 1990 and plays DH for 20 years.

It has to have happened in real life. Bonds never getting traded to San Francisco works, but not getting traded to New York.

[KidCavalier23]

*The A.J. Pierzynski trade never occurs, leaving Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano, and Joe Nathan in the Giants organization.

[filihok]

What if:

The Players' Union hadn't nixed the Red Sox/Rangers trade involving ARod and ManRam

[filihok]

This is an interesting idea, but it needs a cut off point.

Also, Players like Manny Ramirez. A lot of teams can lay claim to him. Who gets him?

Also, for example-Griffey Junior, just because Seattle didn't trade him doesn't mean he'd stay in Seattle forever. He wanted to play closer to his family. Cinncinnatti or Atlanta were the two likely destinations. He would have moved to one of those places in free agency.

[KidCavalier23]

*Tim Lincecum is signed by the Indians after being drafted in the 42nd round of the 2005 amateur draft. Today he is one of the best pitchers in all of baseball.
*Robb Nen never injures his shoulder, and remains the San Francisco closer today.

[dannymac910]

Hanley Ramirez never gets traded fore Beckett and Lowell. Do they win the series?

[TheNamelessPoet]

what if the pirates had never backed out of the trade with the braves and the braves had gotten bonds? (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE7D7143DF933A25750C0A964958260)

Read Scouts Honor if give the full details of how the MG of pitt backed out because he thought everyone would have killed him. probably would mean maddux would never have been a brave tho

[KidCavalier23]

This is an interesting idea, but it needs a cut off point.

Also, Players like Manny Ramirez. A lot of teams can lay claim to him. Who gets him?

Also, for example-Griffey Junior, just because Seattle didn't trade him doesn't mean he'd stay in Seattle forever. He wanted to play closer to his family. Cinncinnatti or Atlanta were the two likely destinations. He would have moved to one of those places in free agency.

Yeah, that's a good point. I say we just get the 3 scenarios for each team, then worry about things like that. If there are open spots in an organization, we can just deal around. Once we're full with the ideas, I'll post up the file so you guys can play around with it as well.

[KidCavalier23]

Hanley Ramirez never gets traded fore Beckett and Lowell. Do they win the series?

Already got that. ;)

[KidCavalier23]

*Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson are never traded, leaving Daric Barton and Dan Haren in St. Louis and Dan Meyer in Atlanta.

[dannymac910]

Bonds signs with the Rays in the beginning of the '08 season. Will they still be in first?

[KidCavalier23]

*Hideki Matsui goes to the Red Sox instead of the Yankees due to the hole in left field.
*The New York Mets win the bid on Daisuke Matsuzaka with a bid of $65 million dollars. Matsuzaka was signed to a 5 year deal at 6.4 million per year.

[KidCavalier23]

Bonds signs with the Rays in the beginning of the '08 season. Will they still be in first?

Bonds is going to be a Brave thanks to TheNamelessPoet's idea.

[cujo376]

Carlos Delgado resign's with the Jays in the 2004 off-season
They Jays never trade Michael Young to the Rangers for Darwin Cubillian and Estaban Loaiza

[RedsoxRockies]

Mo Vaughn stays in Boston

A-Rod Stays in Seattle

Jason Jennings remains with the Rockies

Eric "Gag"ne never gets hurt

Ken Griffey has a healthy career

Dante bichitte stays in Colorado

Helton starts his career earlier

Curt Schilling is not forced to start off as a releiver but instead spends his whole career as a starter, with the Orioles

Bronson Arroyo is never traded for Wily mo Pena

Josh Barfield remains in San deigo

Seattle never aquires Sexson, Vidro, and Washburn

[filihok]

What if:

JD Drew doesn't opt out of his contract after 2006. The Dodgers wouldn't re-sign Nomar Garciaparra and may not have signed Juan Pierre

[filihok]

What if:

the Yankees had held true to Steinbrenner's statement that the Yankees would not negotiate with ARod after he opted out last year.

[KidCavalier23]

Well, A-Rod isn't gonna be coming to the Yankees anyway. He's just going to stick it out with Seattle here.

[KidCavalier23]

What if:

JD Drew doesn't opt out of his contract after 2006. The Dodgers wouldn't re-sign Nomar Garciaparra and may not have signed Juan Pierre

That could work.

[filihok]

That's where this dynasty runs into problems. It is highly unlikley that ARod would have remained a Mariner for his whole career. I don't think the Mariners could afford $250 million

[filihok]

OR

What if:

JD Drew signs with the Phillies when originally drafted

[KidCavalier23]

*Micah Owings decides to play the outfield in college instead of pitch. Today, he is an all star for the Diamondbacks.

[KidCavalier23]

That's where this dynasty runs into problems. It is highly unlikley that ARod would have remained a Mariner for his whole career. I don't think the Mariners could afford $250 million

Well, we can say he never played for the Rangers or Yankees and in the final year of his contract (lets say 2008), he asked for a contract like that and he was traded or his contract expired in the offseason.

[KidCavalier23]

OR

What if:

JD Drew signs with the Phillies when originally drafted

Lets do that, it's shocking to see the 2nd overall pick not signed.

[dannymac910]

This is too confusing.

[JeepGuy63]

Cheap Charles O. Finley coughs up the dough to keep his 1972-1974 World Champions together.

[KidCavalier23]

Cheap Charles O. Finley coughs up the dough to keep his 1972-1974 World Champions together.

It has to deal with 2008, not the past ;).

[filihok]

I think there needs to be a limit set.

I don't think we should go back to any transaction more than 2 - 3 years old. Otherwise the ripple effects are too much to handle.

[CDuffy26]

Pittsburgh: The Pirates don't trade Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon to the Cubs in 2003 for a tub of ballbats, a chewed piece of bubble gum, and a 3 inch long piece of string.

San Diego: The Padres don't trade Jason Bay, Oliver Perez, and Corey Stewart to the Pirates for Brian Giles

[filihok]

What if:

Brian Giles doesn't back out of his deal with the Dodgers prior to the 2006 Season

[asianinvasion]

The Mariners don't trade Adam Jones, George Sherrill and the three prospects (Chris Tillman, Kam Mickolio and Tony Butler) to the O's for Erik Bedard.
Then Wilkerson would never have been signed.

Mariners never gave Johjima an extension

[KidCavalier23]

*Kaz Matsui becomes a great shortstop, one of the best in the majors while Jose Reyes plays an outstanding secondbase for the Mets.

[KidCavalier23]

*Carlos Beltran never leaves Houston after receiving a 4 year deal worth $36 million per year. The contract expires after the 2009 season.

[rockiesfan4ever]

KC never trades Beltran go

[CatKnight]

During Barry Bonds' first at bat with the Pittsburgh Pirates, a freak lightning bolt comes out of a crystal blue sky and he explodes. Literally.

[filihok]

during barry bonds' first at bat with the pittsburgh pirates, a freak lightning bolt comes out of a crystal blue sky and he explodes. Literally.

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[filihok]

What if:

The Expos/Nationals don't trade Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Cliff Lee for Bartolo Colon

Answer. They'd be a lot better right now.

[rockiesfan4ever]

The Expos don't move

[RedsoxRockies]

Joe Kennedy, Josh Hancock,Ken Caminati, Darryl Kyle, and Cory Lidle don't die

[metsguy234]

Why don't you just do all of them in seperate files? Having all these what-ifs in one game is soooo confusing...

[filihok]

I have a big problem with some of these imaginary signings.

Beltre to the Yankees?
The Mets' bid for Dice-K.

That's total fiction

[metsguy234]

I have a big problem with some of these imaginary signings.

Beltre to the Yankees?
The Mets' bid for Dice-K.

That's total fiction

Well, I remember that the Mets took a shot at Dice-K...

Not sure about Beltre and the Yanks though...

[DarthJaker]

Barry Bonds is never born:)

[KidCavalier23]

I have a big problem with some of these imaginary signings.

Beltre to the Yankees?
The Mets' bid for Dice-K.

That's total fiction

Yes they are fictional, but they could have worked. The Mets were in need of a pitcher and had the cash to do it. The Yankees need a third baseman now that A-Rod is not going to move to them. With Aaron Boone being injured, Beltre is the only option since he was a free agent.

[RedsoxRockies]

Oh I know, Barry gets caught using steriods early on(well, when he started), and gets banned for life!!! :)

[filihok]

It has to have happened in real life. Bonds never getting traded to San Francisco works, but not getting traded to New York.


Yes they are fictional, but they could have worked. The Mets were in need of a pitcher and had the cash to do it. The Yankees need a third baseman now that A-Rod is not going to move to them. With Aaron Boone being injured, Beltre is the only option since he was a free agent.

???:confused:

[yanks26ngoin]

Uhh, is Soriano was never traded to the Rangers, he still would have been a 2nd baseman. Meaning, Robby Cano would never have been discovered.

[yanks26ngoin]

What about, the Yankees never dealt Lowell or Millwood? That works here

[RedsoxRockies]

what about if Gary bennet never did 'roids

[KidCavalier23]

???:confused:

Well, what I'm really trying to say is, it must be something that could have possibly happened. The Yankees currently have a loaded lineup and have no need for Bonds. But because of the injury to Boone, they desperatley need a third basemen. Lets try to keep it realistic, but at times we're gonna need to use some fictional things like that.

[KidCavalier23]

Uhh, is Soriano was never traded to the Rangers, he still would have been a 2nd baseman. Meaning, Robby Cano would never have been discovered.

That doesn't mean Cano wouldn't ever be discovered. Remember the whole A-Rod nonsence this offseason, Cano said he would volunteer to play third for the bombers. Right now they have Beltre, but if Cano is needed there, he will play there, Giambi at first, and Beltre as the DH.

[filihok]

Well, what I'm really trying to say is, it must be something that could have possibly happened. The Yankees currently have a loaded lineup and have no need for Bonds. But because of the injury to Boone, they desperatley need a third basemen. Lets try to keep it realistic, but at times we're gonna need to use some fictional things like that.

If we are going to be taking that many liberties then I'm out on this dynasty. There is absolutely no foundation to say that the Yankees would have signed Beltre to a 6 year 60 million dollar deal if they didn't have ARod.

This is a very interesting idea, but it loses me when we just start putting players on teams for no reason.

[dannymac910]

That doesn't mean Cano wouldn't ever be discovered. Remember the whole A-Rod nonsence this offseason, Cano said he would volunteer to play third for the bombers. Right now they have Beltre, but if Cano is needed there, he will play there, Giambi at first, and Beltre as the DH.
Cano would play first :)

[KidCavalier23]

If we are going to be taking that many liberties then I'm out on this dynasty. There is absolutely no foundation to say that the Yankees would have signed Beltre to a 6 year 60 million dollar deal if they didn't have ARod.

This is a very interesting idea, but it loses me when we just start putting players on teams for no reason.

Well, do you have a better idea for a Yankees third baseman then?

[filihok]

Cano? Let the AI find one? After each team's three transactions are completed go through all the teams and cut players that are duplicates. Let the AI sign them.

That's why there needs to be a limit on how far back this goes. I think 3 years max. But it's not my dynasty. Just giving my opinion.

[KidCavalier23]

Okay, I'll scratch the Beltre idea out for now. We can see whats going on then. I'll convert Cano to a third baseman and test him out once we're done to see whats going on.

[KidCavalier23]

What you think about this one guys?

*The Johan Santana deal is worked out and the Yankees give up Philip Hughes and Melky Cabrera.

[filihok]

I think your Yankee Bias is getting in the way :)

[KidCavalier23]

I think your Yankee Bias is getting in the way :)

If my Yankee bias was getting in the way, the Sheff/Vlad rumors would be up there and A-Rod would be in pinstripes ;)

[Coach Owens]

*The Blue Jays never trade John Olerud.

[filihok]

Well, I think the Mets won Johan fair and square.

How about:

What if:

The Astros had protected Santana in the 1999 Rule V draft.

or

What if:

The Marlins hadn't traded Johan to Minn for Jared Camp???

Both of those are better what ifs than what if the Yankees signed him

[dannymac910]

*What if Mariano got injured for the rest of his career and Joba replaced him :)

[twinsGM]

Ted Williams is unfrozen because of new un-freezing technology, and rejoins the Red Sox in 2008.

[haveacigar]

Ted Williams is unfrozen because of new un-freezing technology, and rejoins the Red Sox in 2008.

hahahaha YES

[PotatoOfCouch13]

Here's a good Red Sox one:

What if Jeff Bagwell is never traded for Larry Andersen?

[twinsGM]

Yes, I like that one.

What if Juan Pierre stayed with the Rockies?

[CatKnight]

I think this may be getting a little too free-form.

The problem is, realistically, if you make ninety changes (3 per team), then ANYTHING you do afterwards is speculative. For example, take a simple and harmless change: Toronto and the Cards don't trade Glaus and Rolen during the off season. Well, Rolen still hates LaRussa. Do the Cards push him somewhere else? Does LaRussa under-use him?

And what about Toronto? Do they stick with Glaus, or do THEY trade him elsewhere?

Now a lot depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If this is a fantasy dynasty, with players thrown on different teams, then by all means continue.

If you're trying for an alt history what-if though, then this is just too random to be plausible. In that case go back to a SINGLE given event within the last I'd say 5 years... change it (the flashpoint), and then begin discussing what all the other teams do as a direct result of that.

[eick]

One for Oakland A's

The Bash Brothers(McGwire and Canseco) stay together and stay healthy.

[gRYFYN1]

What if the A's Broke the bank and resigned Giambi and Tejada

[howardryan6]

Alfonso Soriano is never traded, leaving him in left field for the Yankees.

If Soriano is never traded he is the Second basemen not the left fielder.

[howardryan6]

What if.....Barry Bonds never took steriods.

[yanks26ngoin]

What you think about this one guys?

*The Johan Santana deal is worked out and the Yankees give up Philip Hughes and Melky Cabrera.

Umm Johan wasnt going to be a Yankee. The Twins wanted way to much. After they rejected the 1st proposal we were out. Before the Twins accepted the Mets offer, which, honestly if we took out Hughes, we still would have beaten, they called up the Yankees front office, and we again refused. So that trade isnt realistic. Every offer recieved by the Twins, could have beaten the Mets. But they didnt accept those offers because they were too egotistic and thought they can get more, and more. Thats why the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, and other organizations withdrew their offers. They all got sick of the Twins being greedy as ****. They had every organization overpay by alot, but felt they could get more, so they had to settle for an underpayment by the Mets.

[yanks26ngoin]

What if.....Barry Bonds never took steriods.

Now this idea I like. If Bonds never took steroids, he never would have hit 200 home runs, let alone 762!

[KidCavalier23]

If Soriano is never traded he is the Second basemen not the left fielder.

Yes, I know, its been a while since he was in Pinstripes...

[dannymac910]

Bonds could've been the greatest hitter of all time.

[KidCavalier23]

Now this idea I like. If Bonds never took steroids, he never would have hit 200 home runs, let alone 762!

He woulda never hit 200? I'm not sure about that. Maybe he would never hit600, not 200.

[japirish15]

Mike Piazza is never traded by f***ing Fox.

[Red Sox Fan 734]

so long

Dude....way to bumpa year old thread with a post that doesn't even make sense

[Jeffy25]

my what if in st. louis.

The Cardinals never trade Steve Carlton because of a contract dispute for Rick Wise, and he plays his career until 86 with the Birds on the Bat.

[ewing6]

what if the mets haven't traded Seaver to the Reds.

[rockiesfan4ever]

What If the Rockies drafted Tim Lincecum instead of Greg Reynolds

[Jeffy25]

but you can't do what if's for draft picks, haha the rules

or rather the rules of the OP

[Red Sox Fan 734]

What if the dude who started this thread had been online the past year :p

[futuremarlinsgm]

What if...The Florida Marlins didn't undergo a fire sale after their 1997 World Champion season?

[ewing6]

What if...The Florida Marlins didn't undergo a fire sale after their 1997 World Champion season?

and 2003

[fenwaymike]

A horrible thought but....as people have already mentioned..AROD comes to Boston in 2004 along with Ordonez while Manny and Nomar are shipped out and instead of Schilling accepting the trade to the Red Sox..he accepts the trade to the Yankees. remember...the Yankees were in pursuit of him as well..but Thanksgiving Theo saved the day. Would be interested to see how 2004 and beyond played out :-)

[fenwaymike]

Umm Johan wasnt going to be a Yankee. The Twins wanted way to much. After they rejected the 1st proposal we were out. Before the Twins accepted the Mets offer, which, honestly if we took out Hughes, we still would have beaten, they called up the Yankees front office, and we again refused. So that trade isnt realistic. Every offer recieved by the Twins, could have beaten the Mets. But they didnt accept those offers because they were too egotistic and thought they can get more, and more. Thats why the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, and other organizations withdrew their offers. They all got sick of the Twins being greedy as ****. They had every organization overpay by alot, but felt they could get more, so they had to settle for an underpayment by the Mets.


That is not true. The Yanks could have had Santana if they were willing to give up Hughes and a few other pieces. So that would be a good scenario. By the way...love your screen name...the great thing about it is you could have created it back in the spring of 2001 and never have had to change it..ahhhh it has been a glorious century so far :-) Go Sox

[Gocardinals]

"If he had never had that injury" dynasties might also be intresting, as in Sandy Koufox or Addie Joss, among others.

[PotatoOfCouch13]

"If he had never had that injury" dynasties might also be intresting, as in Sandy Koufox or Addie Joss, among others.

*Ahem* (http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?t=193001)

Self-promotion FTW! :D

[lilbman07]

What about Texas never trades Teixiera

[rockiesfan4ever]

Do you guys not realize that the guy who started the thread has not been on in over a year?