VP Predictions

[metsguy234]

Who do you think will be the VP nominations for Obama and McCain.

I say Obama/Biden and McCain/Romney.

[RickD]

Looks like as real a possibility as anything.

[OregonDuck1989]

Biden? I don't think so. He's not very well liked by the American public...

[metsguy234]

Biden? I don't think so. He's not very well liked by the American public...

But he has a lot of experience.

[RickD]

Biden? I don't think so. He's not very well liked by the American public...

Some people say Bush wasn't liked but he got elected to a 2nd term! :D

[filihok]

Obama should pick Bill Clinton. People love Bill Clinton.

[metsguy234]

Obama should pick Bill Clinton. People love Bill Clinton.

Could a former president be a vice president?

[RickD]

It's not happened before but I guess he could be as it's a different office!

[Arctic Blast]

That's actually a very good question, metsguy. I really don't know what the rule is there.

[OregonDuck1989]

I believe a former cannot be vice as he has served 8 years and being second in command you are not allowed more then 10 years as president. (I know weird right? When I took government class our teacher put our study help as 4 X 2=10 and we were like WTF?)

So if Obama were to be elected and something terrible were to happen Bill Clinton would have to back out at the end of his tenth year if he was allowed to be Vice.

I'm not certain on the rule but I believe he cannot be. Again though, not an expert.

And I agree Biden has experience Metsguy but what Obama needs to do is unite the Democratic party. He needs to get the people who were sworn to Hillary on his side so he needs to pick someone THEY love.

[Arctic Blast]

I believe a former cannot be vice as he has served 8 years and being second in command you are not allowed more then 10 years as president. (I know weird right? When I took government class our teacher put our study help as 4 X 2=10 and we were like WTF?)

So if Obama were to be elected and something terrible were to happen Bill Clinton would have to back out at the end of his tenth year if he was allowed to be Vice.

I'm not certain on the rule but I believe he cannot be. Again though, not an expert.

And I agree Biden has experience Metsguy but what Obama needs to do is unite the Democratic party. He needs to get the people who were sworn to Hillary on his side so he needs to pick someone THEY love.

Well, the rule actually is that Clinton couldn't be ELECTED president, again. In this case, though, he would not be elected, he'd be appointed, so I don't think it would technically count. Like you, though, I'm really not sure.

[OregonDuck1989]

Well, the rule actually is that Clinton couldn't be ELECTED president, again. In this case, though, he would not be elected, he'd be appointed, so I don't think it would technically count. Like you, though, I'm really not sure.

Yeah but in the constitution you are not allowed more then 10 years in office. So...example. If Obama chose Sen. John Edwards (never going to happen, just pulled a name out of my ass) and one years into Obama's term he is assassinated Edwards could take over for the next three...then be re-elected ONLY once. As the next four year term would exceed ten.

That's all I know about it but I don't know about the Former being Vice thing...maybe I'll look it up

[cartman00000001]

Bill Richardson? Maybe.
Hopefully NOT Romney
BETTER NOT be Hilary.

[filihok]

what Obama needs to do is unite the Democratic party. He needs to get the people who were sworn to Hillary on his side so he needs to pick someone THEY love.

This is why Bill would be perfect.

Again, I'm not sure of the law though...but if I was Obama, I'd find out.

Actually I wouldn't. I think the Clinton's are evil. But if he wanted to win, Bill would be the way to go.

[RickD]

He needs to get the people who were sworn to Hillary on his side so he needs to pick someone THEY love.

Yeah, they loved Hilary! Best way to unite the Hilary voters would be to pick Hilary as Veep!

[RickD]

So...example. If Obama chose Sen. John Edwards (never going to happen, just pulled a name out of my ass)

Not sure how a name got up there! Names are usually in my head!

[metsguy234]

Why all the Hillary hate? I have tremendous amounts of respect for her (partially because she is one of my state's senators-although I prefer Schumer) even though I have supported Obama all along.

[OregonDuck1989]

Not sure how a name got up there! Names are usually in my head!

Ah that's what makes me special i guess :rolleyes:

[boomboom]

If Bill Clinton was nominated as Vice President and for what ever reason Obama couldn't do his duties as President, the 3rd person in line ( I believe it would be speaker of the house) would take the nod. While Clinton would remain Vice President......

[Arctic Blast]

Why all the Hillary hate? I have tremendous amounts of respect for her (partially because she is one of my state's senators-although I prefer Schumer) even though I have supported Obama all along.

Aside from the fact she acted like an entitled brat who had a hissy fit when the nomination wasn't just handed to her, as she'd been told for the last 4 years? Aside from the fact she couldn't make up her mind on a single freakin' issue, often changing her mind 3 times in 5 minute spans during debates? Or perhaps the apparent need to exaggerate fact to...what...garner sympathy votes (the whole "I was shot at by sniper in Yugoslavia" load of garbage)?

[ohms_law]

Could a former president be a vice president?

Yes.

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 22 (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html)

Amendment 22 - Presidential Term Limits

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

[OregonDuck1989]

Yes.

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 22 (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html)

Amendment 22 - Presidential Term Limits

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

Yay someone looked it up!

I don't think Bill would accept the nod from Obama though...

[ohms_law]

I seriously doubt it.

I seriously doubt that an offer, or even thinking of making the offer, is in the works either.

[etothep]

http://thewolfweb.com/photos/00500921.jpg

[OregonDuck1989]

I voted for **** sandwich. No douches!

[Rorgg]

Actually, Bill is NOT eligible for VP, because of the 20th Amendment, which changed how the VP was chosen:


The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

As he's served two full terms, he's ineligible to be elected president, by the 22nd amendment.

[ohms_law]

...I think that you may be reading too much into it. He's still eligable to be President, he just can no longer be elected President.
O_o

[Arctic Blast]

Yep, that's why I'm unsure of what the rule is...if he can't be voted in, CAN he still be appointed? The 'rule' was seem to indicate he can, but...who knows?

[OregonDuck1989]

The rule as I remember it is a limit at ten years. And only elected twice. But the wording of the rule above does sound like he wouldn't be allowed to.

But I think what it means was that if someone is not 35, born in the U.S. and has lived in the United States for 15 years or however long they have to live they are not eligible to be Vice.

[ohms_law]

But I think what it means was that if someone is not 35, born in the U.S. and has lived in the United States for 15 years or however long they have to live they are not eligible to be Vice.
Me too.

[Rongar]

Since Obama has backtracked on some of his previous promises, I don't see why he shouldn't forget his own vow to avoid the "old politics" and choose Hillary, after all.

She, presumably, will bring a lot of women's votes in, and even some independents might hold their noses, thinking "Well a Clinton-type VP, is better than a Cheney-type VP"

[ohms_law]

I don't think it has anything to do with Hillary Clinton being a Clinton, or even a woman for that matter. The main issue that I see that the Obama campaign has with Hillary is that they don't want a legitimate contender on the ticket. Those types of "super-tickets" never work in the real world, since there's always too many questions about who's actually running the show and what roles each person plays. At the same time, Hillary wouldn't want to be a VP anyway. Too much leadership.

[OregonDuck1989]

Also, Hillary has already said she doesn't want to be VP...

The one darkhorse I see is Bill Richardson...but I'm not sure on that either.

Obama better pick somebody. Conventions in less then a week.

[EP Hotties]

Tim Pawlenty from the great state of Minnesota? Not that I would endors this fo McCain, but it looks likely now.

[metsguy234]

I signed up to get an email alert right when Obama picks his running mate :)

[Arctic Blast]

Also, Hillary has already said she doesn't want to be VP...

The one darkhorse I see is Bill Richardson...but I'm not sure on that either.

Obama better pick somebody. Conventions in less then a week.

I think Richardson would be a good choice...I was quite impressed with the guy during his shot at being the Dems presidential candidate. Seems to be quite decisive, knows what he's talking about, and is very well spoken.

[OregonDuck1989]

I think Richardson would be a good choice...I was quite impressed with the guy during his shot at being the Dems presidential candidate. Seems to be quite decisive, knows what he's talking about, and is very well spoken.

Plus the blue collar loves him and for some odd reason the blue collar hates Obama even though out of all the democratic candidates this year he has helped them the most.

[metsguy234]

I think Richardson would be a good choice...I was quite impressed with the guy during his shot at being the Dems presidential candidate. Seems to be quite decisive, knows what he's talking about, and is very well spoken.

And he bears an incredible resemblence to George Lopez... :D

[Arctic Blast]

And he bears an incredible resemblence to George Lopez... :D

I really don't see much of a resemblance...I dunno, maybe to YOU all Mexicans look alike...:rolleyes:



:D

[OregonDuck1989]

I see multiple differences between George Lopez and Bill Richardson.

One being I respect Bill Richardson.

And Bill Richardson is probably funny :p

:D

[metsguy234]

http://www.topnews.in/usa/files/New_Mexico_Gov_Bill-Richardson.jpg

http://www.uterwincenter.com/applause/2007/june07ap/images/GeorgeLopez.jpg

Don't tell me you dont see it...

[Frijolito]

I really don't see much of a resemblance...I dunno, maybe to YOU all Mexicans look alike...:rolleyes:



:D

Richardson is only half Mexican. His father was from Nicaragua

[metsguy234]

Obama says he has decided on his VP. An announcement should be coming soon.

[justanewguy]

I predict both VP candidates will be career politicians in suits that do the bidding of their respective parties and a bunch of lobbyists. I also predict they will have an army of handlers who control everything they say and do.

[OregonDuck1989]

I predict both VP candidates will be career politicians in suits that do the bidding of their respective parties and a bunch of lobbyists. I also predict they will have an army of handlers who control everything they say and do.

Hmm...that sounds like everyone in Washington...

[Arctic Blast]

I think Obama should pick Michael Moore.

The only entity I wish to see 'pick' Michael Moore is Death himself. I'm sick of that fat, self absorbed, lying douchebag. He honestly has become the exact left wing equivalent of Rush Limbaugh...just a bunch of nonsense and hot air.

[metsguy234]

The only entity I wish to see 'pick' Michael Moore is Death himself. I'm sick of that fat, self absorbed, lying douchebag. He honestly has become the exact left wing equivalent of Rush Limbaugh...just a bunch of nonsense and hot air.

I like Michael Moore.

[RickD]

Yeah but he is just as Left wing as Rush is right!

[metsguy234]

Yeah but he is just as Left wing as Rush is right!

What's wrong with being left wing?

[chuckwillard]

Romney and Kaine.

Can't stand either one of them, but that's what I'm predicting.

[justanewguy]

The only entity I wish to see 'pick' Michael Moore is Death himself. I'm sick of that fat, self absorbed, lying douchebag. He honestly has become the exact left wing equivalent of Rush Limbaugh...just a bunch of nonsense and hot air.

Couldn't agree more. :)

[Arctic Blast]

What's wrong with being left wing?

Both Moore and Limbaugh are so far over to the edge though, metsguy, that they are completely incapable of looking at any issue objectively. That's precisely the reason I get annoyed with people who can only see EVERY issue through the total right or total left side...they don't offer anything of value to a discussion, because they are completely unable to be objective.

[OregonDuck1989]

If Obama picks Michael Moore I'm voting Bob Barr then moving to Canada.

[Rongar]

If Obama picks Michael Moore I'm voting Bob Barr then moving to Canada.

But, O.D. we have Harper and Dion!....out of the frypan....

[Arctic Blast]

But, O.D. we have Harper and Dione!....out of the frypan....

So I'm not the only one getting tired of those two blithering idiots? :rolleyes:

I really hope they both soon figure out that they can have all the elections that they want, and nothing will change...neither has the support to get a majority. They need to either shut up and figure out how to make a minority government work, or get lost and let someone else try.

[metsguy234]

Come on one of you guys on this forum must be on his mailing list. Who is it going to be?

It will be John McCain. And McCain's veep will be Obama. Then everyone will join hands and sing "Kumbaya".


:D

[Arctic Blast]

It will be John McCain. And McCain's veep will be Obama. Then everyone will join hands and sing "Kumbaya".


:D

As long as they aren't singing ABBA songs, I'm all good with it. :D

Oh, and by the way, allow me to commend you for AMainezing...fine work. :D

[metsguy234]

And the winner is....


Senator Joseph Biden!

[Arctic Blast]

Anyone else 'shocked' that it was the one guy who vehemently denied that it would be him? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I actually don't mind Joe Biden. He has the experience Obama lacks, ESPECIALLY when it comes to foreign affairs.

[Frijolito]

I was hoping for an Obama/Piazza ticket.....

[OregonDuck1989]

Obama/Biden won't be a bad ticket. But its not the perfect ticket, IMO.

Biden isn't exactly well liked after this 2008 primary season. But we'll see.

I was hoping for Obama/Phelps.

[cartman00000001]

Biden said this year he wasn't ready to lead. Now he joins him. Also the whole "we need change" gets thrown out the window. Time for McCain to go for the knockout.

[metsguy234]

Biden said this year he wasn't ready to lead. Now he joins him. Also the whole "we need change" gets thrown out the window. Time for McCain to go for the knockout.

Why would an opposing primary candidate say "This guy is totally ready to lead. Vote for him, and not me." ?

[Rongar]

So I'm not the only one getting tired of those two blithering idiots? :rolleyes:

I really hope they both soon figure out that they can have all the elections that they want, and nothing will change...neither has the support to get a majority. They need to either shut up and figure out how to make a minority government work, or get lost and let someone else try.

It's not their idiocy, I fear, A.B. its their agendas...and I'm not too keen on Layton, either (I have high hopes for Ducette- he may yet take Quebec out of Confederation, confirming it as the foreign country, that it, virtually, is now).

Most of all, I dislike this Province's own Gordon Campbell...

[Rongar]

As long as they aren't singing ABBA songs, I'm all good with it. :D

:D

Wot???...you don't like ABBA?:eek:...I love 'em, even more than the Beatles and the Seekers...

[OregonDuck1989]

Biden said this year he wasn't ready to lead. Now he joins him. Also the whole "we need change" gets thrown out the window. Time for McCain to go for the knockout.

Yeah everyone in the democratic primary said he wasn't ready to lead. It's called politics.... I'm not quite sure what you wanted from Biden here...

I read into Biden more...and I am really starting to like the man. The democratic expert on foreign affairs he has never really been the "career politician" he still takes the train home from the senate. His first wife and infant daughter were killed a car crash and he has moved on to be one of the stand out politicians in Washington.

He is opinionated and sometimes doesn't think before speaking...but he's a human. He stands up for what he believes in and is always willing to be the man in the spotlight.

He's the anti-Cheney as Obama is the anti-Bush.

The change party remains.

[metsguy234]

http://sportsmogul.com/vbulletin/group.php?groupid=22

A group for Obama/Biden supporters that I just made

[Arctic Blast]

It's not their idiocy, I fear, A.B. its their agendas...and I'm not too keen on Layton, either (I have high hopes for Ducette- he may yet take Quebec out of Confederation, confirming it as the foreign country, that it, virtually, is now).

Most of all, I dislike this Province's own Gordon Campbell...

Jack Layton is like that annoying kid in school. He just aggravates the Hell out of me. He never actually says WHAT he would do DIFFERENTLY, he just complains about the way things are done now, and he did the same when the Liberals were in, too. IT grows very old very quickly.

I honestly don't know if Stephane Dion has an agenda aside from clinging to the top post in his own party. You can practically see the wolves angling around him, just waiting for their shot at his neck. I think that's why he's playing political brinkamanship right now, to try and prove to part of the Liberal wing that he's got the stuff to stand up against the government. Of course, it could easily backfire on him.

As for Harper...the guy just screams "Hi, I'm a used car salesman!"...he just oozed artificiality. Oh, and I've put up drywall with more natural charisma. And, yes, the fact that he DOES tend to obfuscate and redirect a lot of the time rather than actually answer a question does raise the question of what he's really thinking half the time (sure, all politicians do it, but he's a cut above).

I actually LIKE Gilles Duceppe. He's the one leader who will call out anyone at any time, and with everyone else desperately trying to cover their own ass and distract all the time, he's rather refreshing. Hell, if I could, I probably WOULD vote for the guy.

[Rongar]

I actually LIKE Gilles Duceppe. He's the one leader who will call out anyone at any time, and with everyone else desperately trying to cover their own ass and distract all the time, he's rather refreshing. Hell, if I could, I probably WOULD vote for the guy.

Yeah, Alberta probably being the last place where a Bloc-Quebecois candidate would stand.

Thanks for your discreet correction of my mistake, A.B. His name is, of course, Duceppe

When I think about it, I find the French-Canadian politicians to be the most charming of our lot...

The late Pierre Trudeau excepted, the difficulties of the English language,seems to reduce their tendency to ugly ranting, and come across (to me, anyway) as less confrontational, and more whimsical.

[Arctic Blast]

Yeah, Alberta probably being the last place where a Bloc-Quebecois candidate would stand.

Thanks for your discreet correction of my mistake, A.B. His name is, of course, Duceppe

When I think about it, I find the French-Canadian politicians to be the most charming of our lot...

The late Pierre Trudeau excepted, the difficulties of the English language,seems to reduce their tendency to ugly ranting, and come across (to me, anyway) as less confrontational, and more whimsical.

Heck, part of me kind of MISSES a confrontational leader (Sure, Chretien was a blithering idiot 95% of the time, but he WAS fun :D)! I think that's where Duceppe is such a breath of fresh air, at least compared to the other milquetoasts heading up the parties.

If you really think about it, though, how thoroughly ridiculous is that we have a federal separatist party.

[ohms_law]

lol

Well, a "federal separatist party" is certainly better than real insurgents...

[Arctic Blast]

lol

Well, a "federal separatist party" is certainly better than real insurgents...

Definitely true! It's actually a not-so-well-known chapter in Canadian History, though, the FLQ Crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu%C3%A9bec), that featured exactly that.

[ohms_law]

That's not well known? Huh... I knew about it.
*shrug*

[dickay]

The ticket is backwards....it should be Biden/Obama and not Obama/Biden. I love the comment about Biden 'standing up for what he believes' and later stating he is the anti-bush. Standing up for his beliefs is what Bush is so often attacked for by the left.

Anyhow, Obama is in a slight box...Americans will understand why Biden said the things he did... how he'd love to run with McCain and how McCain would make a great president...and how Obama isn't ready. Americans will see it as politics as usually however, and not as 'change'. Those who haven't already made up their minds that is.

In the end, Biden was a very good choice however for Obama. He would have been better served IMO choosing someone who hadn't attacked him as Biden did...but Biden is solid.

McCain now can't afford to make a similar mistake and choose Romney. I can't believe he's still even in consideration.

[OregonDuck1989]

The ticket is backwards....it should be Biden/Obama and not Obama/Biden. I love the comment about Biden 'standing up for what he believes' and later stating he is the anti-bush. Standing up for his beliefs is what Bush is so often attacked for by the left.


Actually I said he's the anti-Cheney as in he doesn't live in secrecy.

But ok...

And the whole "well Biden attacked him" is Obama sucking up his pride, acting like a grown up and realizing Biden is the best choice no matter what Biden said in his political campaign.

[Arctic Blast]

That's not well known? Huh... I knew about it.
*shrug*

Sadly, not well known in Canada...where we don't teach HISTORY, no WE teach some amorphous cluster-F of a class known as SOCIAL STUDIES. I never did figure out what the point of this class even WAS. A tiny sprinkling of history (and I do mean TINY...I believe WW2 in its' entirety filled 2 pages of the stupid book), a little dab of politics, a nearly immeasurable speck of economics...just enough to sorta make you think you might have an inkling about one thing...but you don't. Complete and utter waste of time. :(

[ohms_law]

That's sad.