How Great Would This Be?

[mcmac07]

Now imagine this... being able to play sports mogul on a game console! How awesome would that be? I know that it couldn't happen right now because of the rights to the MLBPA are owned by one company, but that would be great. Another problem would be the amount of space and memory needed to create a game like that would have to be large, i would think.
I've been thinking about this for a while and I decided to post this and see what some other people thought about it. Being able to actually play the game in 3D would be awesome. Even if the pitchers and hitters just had generic stances and windups, I would buy it. We all have those old baseball video games from the mid to late 90's where we can play a season and thats it, but what if you could start a franchise with one of those teams?
I grew up watching baseball when Ripken, McGwire, and Sosa were bringing it back into the spot light. If I could start a Cardinals team in '98 with guys like McGwire, Lankford, Jordan, Benes, and McGee, I'd be ecstatic. I'd never quit playing. Sorry for the LONG post, wanted to get the basics out there. Maybe if technology continues to grow, we could see a game like this in 10-20 years.

[AndrewOsborn]

That would be alot for Sports Mogul to accomplish in 10-20 years. Besides, thats not what Moguls about.

[mcmac07]

I understand that, but I'm just saying I think it was be so fun to go back to 1927 and start a franchise with that Yankee team. Or go back to 1908 and see how many World Series Championships you could win with the Cubs over that span.

[rockiesfan4ever]

Can't you do that with the games already?

[gosensgo101]

I wouldn't buy Mogul for a console. Its the kind of game that just needs to be played on a computer, with a keyboard and a mouse. I would be fumbling with my controller the whole time.

[HoustonGM]

Can't you do that with the games already?
Uh...yeah...you can...:confused: I'm confused.

[mcmac07]

lol. i just thought it would be a cool idea, being able to play back through history, and not just having to simulate on a computer screen, but actually being able to play a real game in 3D. Baseball Mogul is fantastic game nonetheless.

no, you can't do that with the games. pop in RBI baseball into your SNES. Sure, you can play a season, but then what? Your done. You start over again. Same with All-Star Baseball '97. Play 162 games, then your done. Start it all over again. See what I mean?

[HoustonGM]

In Mogul, you can play historical games. I think I know what you're saying though.

[metsguy234]

I think he means he'd like to have historical play in a console game.

[Red Sox Fan 734]

I think so to

[vaskov17]

I think he wants to do something similar to what the FIFA Manager games do. On one hand you have the manager game which you can play the same way as BM, on the other hand you can play an actual soccer game and control the players.

[justanewguy]

I don't think Clay is in the position to come up with an actual console game where you move the players around, control the swing, etc. He's been part of programming console games before, but as part of a huge team. There's no huge team with Mogul.

Also, the point of Mogul is the simulation. If you were actually controlling things, it'd throw that way off. I can't imagine how something like high/low contact ratings, for instance, would be reflected in the game. I know in some EA baseball games I've seen, it makes the area your bat covers larger or smaller. In Mogul terms, that just seems stupid, and you'd end up with guys with high contact ratings hitting the ball way more than they should, and guys with low ratings rarely hitting the ball.

Another problem is putting historical names and likenesses in consoles. I don't think they've ever, ever been able to (I could be wrong), and I have no idea how they'd manage to make deals with the estates of everyone who ever played the game, pre-MLBPA. Or maybe the Lahman database would be used again, but if the designers even pointed you in the direction of that, there could be some sort of legal issues.

I'm not sure how right or wrong I am, but it just seems like there's a zillion and a half reasons it couldn't happen. Also, I'd pretty much bet anything that it will never happen.

[pirate66]

Personally I have no interest in that. The reason I play Mogul is precisely that I am much more interested in statistics and strategy than I am in using a joystick, no matter how cool the graphics may be.

This is for a whole different target market.

[ghettostar]

You people are so cynical and think just because hes suggesting something thats a drastic change that mogul will probably never realize, you shoot it down as if its the worst thing ever. How many people play PBP? About 90% have atleast once, id say 60% still do occasionally and maybe 30% do it on a regular basis. Now are you telling me that these people wouldnt want console graphics when they played PBP? To see Baba Ruths fat head looking up at the sky as he rounds 1st base? Please, anyone here that tells me they wouldnt want the best of both worlds (sim factor and graphics and gameplay) are either in the minority or lying. of course it will probably never happen but its a damn good idea and one i would buy into.

[Arctic Blast]

You people are so cynical and think just because hes suggesting something thats a drastic change that mogul will probably never realize, you shoot it down as if its the worst thing ever. How many people play PBP? About 90% have atleast once, id say 60% still do occasionally and maybe 30% do it on a regular basis. Now are you telling me that these people wouldnt want console graphics when they played PBP? To see Baba Ruths fat head looking up at the sky as he rounds 1st base? Please, anyone here that tells me they wouldnt want the best of both worlds (sim factor and graphics and gameplay) are either in the minority or lying. of course it will probably never happen but its a damn good idea and one i would buy into.

The problem is, most graphics-based sports games start to wither and die in the sim department, simply because the design team starts spending the majority of their time upgrading/adding to the graphics and animation, as opposed to the simulation itself.

[ghettostar]

Personally I have no interest in that. The reason I play Mogul is precisely that I am much more interested in statistics and strategy than I am in using a joystick, no matter how cool the graphics may be.

This is for a whole different target market.

Hes suggesting a game that combines both. Quit being so close minded that it affects your ability of comprehension and literacy. As soon as you seen th word console you formed your opinion. As a matter of fact almost all games that are on a console also come out on computer, so whats keeping you from having your precious keypad and mouse? i think i need a cigarette-imgetting worked up over trivial things. :o

[metsguy234]

Hes suggesting a game that combines both. Quit being so close minded that it affects your ability of comprehension and literacy. As soon as you seen th word console you formed your opinion. As a matter of fact almost all games that are on a console also come out on computer, so whats keeping you from having your precious keypad and mouse? i think i need a cigarette-imgetting worked up over trivial things. :o


All console games come out on computers too? :confused:

[Arctic Blast]

Hes suggesting a game that combines both. Quit being so close minded that it affects your ability of comprehension and literacy. As soon as you seen th word console you formed your opinion. As a matter of fact almost all games that are on a console also come out on computer, so whats keeping you from having your precious keypad and mouse? i think i need a cigarette-imgetting worked up over trivial things. :o

...huh?

Yes, I know he's talking about a game that combined both. However, do you have any idea how big a design team it takes to MAKE a game that even TRIES to have both? Graphics/animation engines are a HUGE undertaking, especially if you want a good one that looks proper, with a real physics engine, and all that. There is quite simply no way that Clay is going to be able to continue to improve the SIM engine of BM AND design and integrate a graphical play system from scratch. Is it a nice idea? Yes. Is it a REALISTIC idea? No.

And I have no problems with consoles at all...I never have. I own a 360 now.

[ghettostar]

...huh?

Yes, I know he's talking about a game that combined both. However, do you have any idea how big a design team it takes to MAKE a game that even TRIES to have both? Graphics/animation engines are a HUGE undertaking, especially if you want a good one that looks proper, with a real physics engine, and all that. There is quite simply no way that Clay is going to be able to continue to improve the SIM engine of BM AND design and integrate a graphical play system from scratch. Is it a nice idea? Yes. Is it a REALISTIC idea? No.

And I have no problems with consoles at all...I never have. I own a 360 now.


i think it has ben established that the idea is wishful thinking at best, but so was going to the moon 100 years ago. Thank whatever gods there may be that whomever had the idea to attempt such difficult feats didnt discard them because they were deemed 'unrealistic'. Of course it wont happen next year and maybe not this decade, but it doesnt diminish the need for thought.