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metsguy234
10-06-2008, 11:13 AM
Colorado Rockies at Arizona Diamondbacks
April 23, 2008
TOP OF THE FIRST
Roger Clemens takes the mound for the Diamondbacks.
Ryan Spilborghs walked. <--1>
Yuniesky Betancourt grounded to the third baseman. <-2->
Garrett Atkins flied out to left. <-2->
Todd Helton walked. <-21>
Matt Holliday singled up the middle, scoring a run. <-21>
Todd Helton went for an extra base and reached third. <3-1>
Geoff Jenkins walked. <321>
Kenji Johjima walked, scoring a run. <321>
Luis A. Gonzalez grounded to short. <321>
2 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, and 3 left on base.
In the middle of the first, Colorado leads 2 to 0.
BOTTOM OF THE FIRST
Rodrigo Lopez takes the mound for the Rockies.
Stephen Drew singled to right field. <--1>
Orlando Hudson doubled in the left field gap. <32->
Conor Jackson homered over the center field fence for three RBIs. <--->
Carlos Quentin singled to left. <--1>
Chad Tracy walked. <-21>
Scott Hairston homered to left-center for three RBIs. <--->
Miguel Montero popped up foul down the third base line. <--->
Jeff Davanon singled to right. <--1>
Jeff Davanon stole second. <-2->
Roger Clemens struck out. <-2->
Stephen Drew singled to right. <3-1>
Orlando Hudson homered to deep right-center for three RBIs. <--->
Byung-Hyun Kim came in to pitch for the Rockies. <--->
Conor Jackson hit an infield single to second. <--1>
Carlos Quentin homered over the center field fence for two RBIs. <--->
Chad Tracy struck out. <--->
11 runs, 10 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
At the end of the first, Arizona leads 11 to 2.
TOP OF THE SECOND
Byung-Hyun Kim struck out. <--->
Ryan Spilborghs singled to center. <--1>
Yuniesky Betancourt flied out to center field. <--1>
Garrett Atkins singled down the right field line, advancing the runner to third. <3-1>
Todd Helton grounded to short. <3-1>
0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, and 2 left on base.
In the middle of the second, Colorado trails 11 to 2.
BOTTOM OF THE SECOND
Scott Hairston struck out. <--->
Miguel Montero walked. <--1>
Jeff Davanon singled to left-center, advancing the runner to third. <3-1>
Roger Clemens singled to right, scoring a run. <-21>
Stephen Drew struck out. <-21>
Orlando Hudson tripled to right-center for two RBIs. <3-->
Byung-Hyun Kim threw a wild pitch - a run scored. <--->
Denny Bautista came in to pitch for the Rockies. <--->
Conor Jackson popped up to short. <--->
4 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
At the end of the second, Arizona leads 15 to 2.
TOP OF THE THIRD
Matt Holliday grounded to short. <--->
Geoff Jenkins flied out to right. <--->
Kenji Johjima grounded to the third baseman. <--->
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
In the middle of the third, Colorado trails 15 to 2.

BOTTOM OF THE THIRD
Carlos Quentin tripled in the left field gap. <3-->
Chad Tracy singled to short left-center, scoring a run. <--1>
Scott Hairston singled through the left side. <-21>
Miguel Montero walked. <321>
Jeff Davanon lined out to right. <321>
Chad Tracy tagged up and reached home, scoring a run. <-21>
Roger Clemens struck out. <-21>
Stephen Drew lined out to right. <-21>
2 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, and 2 left on base.
At the end of the third, Arizona leads 17 to 2.

TOP OF THE FOURTH
Luis A. Gonzalez flied out to center. <--->
Denny Bautista lined out to right. <--->
Ryan Spilborghs popped up to second. <--->
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
In the middle of the fourth, Colorado trails 17 to 2.

BOTTOM OF THE FOURTH
Orlando Hudson walked. <--1>
Conor Jackson grounded to short. <-2->
Carlos Quentin doubled in the left field gap, scoring a run. <-2->
Chad Tracy was hit by a pitch. <-21>
Scott Hairston doubled down the left field line, scoring a run. <32->
Jeremy Affeldt came in to pitch for the Rockies. <32->
Miguel Montero walked. <321>
Jeff Davanon walked, scoring a run. <321>
Roger Clemens struck out. <321>
Stephen Drew popped up to short. <321>
3 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, and 3 left on base.
At the end of the fourth, Arizona leads 20 to 2.

TOP OF THE FIFTH
Yuniesky Betancourt flied out to right. <--->
Garrett Atkins grounded to second. <--->
Todd Helton grounded to second. <--->
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
In the middle of the fifth, Colorado trails 20 to 2.

BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH
Orlando Hudson singled down the first base line. <--1>
Conor Jackson doubled in the right field gap. <32->
Carlos Quentin flied out to right. <32->
Orlando Hudson tagged up and reached home, scoring a run. <-2->
Chad Tracy flied out to left. <-2->
Scott Hairston flied out to center. <-2->
1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, and 1 left on base.
At the end of the fifth, Arizona leads 21 to 2.

TOP OF THE SIXTH
Matt Holliday tripled in the right field gap. <3-->
Geoff Jenkins struck out. <3-->
Kenji Johjima grounded to the shortstop. The lead runner was tagged out at home. <--1>
Luis A. Gonzalez walked. <-21>
Brad Hawpe pinch hit for Jeremy Affeldt. <-21>
Brad Hawpe walked. <321>
Ryan Spilborghs grounded to the second baseman. <321>
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, and 3 left on base.
In the middle of the sixth, Colorado trails 21 to 2.

BOTTOM OF THE SIXTH
Macay McBride came in to pitch for the Rockies. <--->
Miguel Montero flied out to center. <--->
Jeff Davanon walked. <--1>
Mark Reynolds pinch hit for Roger Clemens. <--1>
Mark Reynolds popped up foul down the third base line. <--1>
Stephen Drew struck out. <--1>
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, and 1 left on base.
At the end of the sixth, Arizona leads 21 to 2.

TOP OF THE SEVENTH
Juan Cruz came in to pitch for the Diamondbacks. <--->
Yuniesky Betancourt singled to right field. <--1>
Garrett Atkins popped up to second. <--1>
Todd Helton grounded to third for a double play (5-4-3). <--->
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
In the middle of the seventh, Colorado trails 21 to 2.

BOTTOM OF THE SEVENTH
Ramon Ramirez came in to pitch for the Rockies. <--->
Orlando Hudson walked. <--1>
Conor Jackson struck out. <--1>
Carlos Quentin grounded to second for a double play (4-6-3). <--->
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
At the end of the seventh, Arizona leads 21 to 2.

TOP OF THE EIGHTH
Matt Holliday walked. <--1>
Geoff Jenkins struck out. <--1>
Kenji Johjima grounded to second for a double play (4-6-3). <--->
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, and 0 left on base.
In the middle of the eighth, Colorado trails 21 to 2.

BOTTOM OF THE EIGHTH
Chad Tracy popped up to second. <--->
Scott Hairston hit an infield single to first. <--1>
Miguel Montero grounded to the second baseman, forcing the runner at second. <--1>
Jeff Davanon flied out to center field. <--1>
0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, and 1 left on base.
At the end of the eighth, Arizona leads 21 to 2.

TOP OF THE NINTH
Luis A. Gonzalez flied out to right. <--->
Jeff Baker pinch hit for Ramon Ramirez. <--->
Jeff Baker struck out. <--->
Ryan Spilborghs struck out. <--->

DIAMONDBACKS WIN: 21-2



Colorado Rockies at Arizona Diamondbacks
April 23, 2008

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 + R H E
Rockies (COL) 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 0
Diamondbacks (ARI)11 4 2 3 1 0 0 0 x 21 21 0

COLORADO ab h bb r hr bi k sb avg
R. Spilborghs (CF) 4 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 .245
Y. Betancourt (SS) 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318
G. Atkins (3B) 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .298
T. Helton (1B) 3 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 .274
M. Holliday (LF) 3 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 .264
G. Jenkins (RF) 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 .235
K. Johjima (C) 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 .250
L. Gonzalez (2B) 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .301
R. Lopez (P) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
B. Kim (P) 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
D. Bautista (P) 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
J. Affeldt (P) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
B. Hawpe (P) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .259
M. McBride (P) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
R. Ramirez (P) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
J. Baker (P) 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .308
TOTALS 30 5 7 2 0 2 5 0

3B: M. Holliday (1)
GIDP: K. Johjima, T. Helton

COLORADO ip h bb hr r er k pit ERA
R. Lopez 0.2 8 1 3 9 9 1 39 6.59
B. Kim 1.0 5 1 1 6 6 3 49 10.03
D. Bautista 1.2 5 2 0 5 5 1 58 6.43
J. Affeldt 1.2 2 2 0 1 1 1 42 2.77
M. McBride 1.0 0 1 0 0 0 1 19 8.00
R. Ramirez 2.0 1 1 0 0 0 1 31 4.50
TOTALS 8.0 21 8 4 21 21 8 238

ARIZONA ab h bb r hr bi k sb avg
S. Drew (SS) 6 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 .313
O. Hudson (2B) 4 4 2 5 1 5 0 0 .277
C. Jackson (1B) 6 3 0 2 1 3 1 0 .282
C. Quentin (RF) 5 4 0 4 1 4 0 0 .325
C. Tracy (3B) 4 1 1 3 0 1 1 0 .250
S. Hairston (LF) 6 4 0 1 1 4 1 0 .420
M. Montero (C) 3 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 .211
J. Davanon (CF) 3 2 2 2 0 2 0 1 .279
R. Clemens (P) 4 1 0 1 0 1 3 0 .250
M. Reynolds (P) 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .600
J. Cruz (P) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
TOTALS 42 21 8 21 4 20 8 1

2B: C. Jackson (4), O. Hudson (5), S. Hairston (5), C. Quentin (4)
3B: O. Hudson (1), C. Quentin (1)
HR: C. Jackson (3), O. Hudson (2), S. Hairston (8), C. Quentin (7)
HBP: C. Tracy
GIDP: C. Quentin

ARIZONA ip h bb hr r er k pit ERA
R. Clemens 6.0 4 6 0 2 2 2 102 5.56
J. Cruz 3.0 1 1 0 0 0 3 39 9.00
TOTALS 9.0 5 7 0 2 2 5 141

WP: R. Clemens (2-1)
LP: R. Lopez (1-3)
SV: J. Cruz (1)

RedsoxRockies
10-06-2008, 12:11 PM
Even if you cheated, that is something I have never done. I have had a cycle and the other team have a cycle in the same game, but never two of my guys. Did you sim it or play by play?

oriole^
10-06-2008, 12:12 PM
And they both completed it by the fifth inning! :eek:

metsguy234
10-06-2008, 12:36 PM
This wasn't even my team... I was playing as Tampa Bay in this game...

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 12:55 PM
Just as a general observation with only some ancedotal evidence in support it seems when I scan transactions at the end of the year there usually are about 3-4 Cycles hit each year which seems kind of high as opposed to reality. Having two in one game should be an extremely rare event but if they are occuring more frequently maybe less so.

HoustonGM
10-06-2008, 12:58 PM
Just as a general observation with only some ancedotal evidence in support it seems when I scan transactions at the end of the year there usually are about 3-4 Cycles hit each year which seems kind of high as opposed to reality. Having two in one game should be an extremely rare event but if they are occuring more frequently maybe less so.
Since 2000, there have been 38 cycles over 9 seasons, which comes out to an average of about 4 per year, so the game is right on track, actually.

michaelg123789
10-06-2008, 12:59 PM
wow dang!

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Interesting, that seems quite high. I did a check of my game over the time period I had available which would correspond to a stat search at baseball reference and found this. Years covered 1956-1965. In game 34 cycles. Real life 14. Now that's just 10 years so it's not much of a sample so it doesn't prove anything. You are probably right that it matches up well enough with real life in the longer haul. Probably just old age but I just don't recall SPorts Center annoucing that many cycles every year. :)

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 01:29 PM
Dang this is turning out to be interesting. Not to be confrontational but this site, http://baseball.wikia.com/wiki/Hitting_for_the_cycle#Number_of_cycles_by_team only has 32 cycles since 2000. It does also list 273 total in all "major" leagues starting with the first cycle May 25, 1882 by Curry Foley [That's one spicey player!] for Buffalo. So 273 over 126 years is a little over 2 a year on average. So two in one game IS truly an outstanding occurence.

TheNamelessPoet
10-06-2008, 01:30 PM
its because the cycle is not a HUGE deal.

HoustonGM
10-06-2008, 01:34 PM
Dang this is turning out to be interesting. Not to be confrontational but this site, http://baseball.wikia.com/wiki/Hitting_for_the_cycle#Number_of_cycles_by_team only has 32 cycles since 2000.
For whatever reason, that's missing 2007 and 3 of this year's cycles. See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitting_for_the_cycle) for a complete list.


It does also list 273 total in all "major" leagues starting with the first cycle May 25, 1882 by Curry Foley [That's one spicey player!] for Buffalo. So 273 over 126 years is a little over 2 a year on average.
Wikipedia has the number at 284 over the same time period. Which, yes, is a little over 2 per year. However, it's important to remember that baseball has had a varying number of teams, and thus number of players, through the years. Less number of teams = less number of cycles. With the 30 team, 25-man roster setup, the average is about 4 per year.


So two in one game IS truly an outstanding occurence.
Yes, of course.

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 01:35 PM
About as huge as No hitter. Once again from the Baseball Wiki this. "In Major League Baseball, no-hitters are rare, occurring slightly less than twice per season on average. Slightly more than 250 no-hitters have been thrown in major league history."

HoustonGM
10-06-2008, 01:36 PM
In today's game, no-hitters are more rare than cycles. 17 since the league expanded to 30 teams, compared to 44 cycles. No-hitters were easier to come by in the past in lower offense leagues, and likewise, cycles were harder to come by.

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 01:38 PM
Wow, they did miss the 2007 ones. Kind of makes you wonder what else gets lost or goes missing from online sources. Who can you trust these days? :) I bow to the more accurate information. Still it is only about 2 a year on average as we can agree which makes it a fairly rare baseball occurence in any event.

HoustonGM
10-06-2008, 01:40 PM
Wow, they did miss the 2007 ones. Kind of makes you wonder what else gets lost or goes missing from online sources. Who can you trust these days? :) I bow to the more accurate information. Still it is only about 2 a year on average as we can agree which makes it a fairly rare baseball occurence in any event.
Yes, over the course of baseball history, it's as rare as a no-hitter, but context must be considered, and in today's environment, while still being rare (~4 times per year), the cycle is more common than in the past (and the no-hitter less common).

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Now, of course, I'm gonna have to research the stats on that. :) What shall we say is the cutoff year for "today's" game? 1950?

As a weird aside I found this. No- hitters by home plate umpire. Top numbers.

6 O'Loughlin, Silk

5 Dineen, Bill
5 Klem, Bill
5 Wendelstedt, Harry

HoustonGM
10-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Now, of course, I'm gonna have to research the stats on that. :) What shall we say is the cutoff year for "today's" game? 1950?
The 30 team league is what I'm talking about..ie. since 1998.

The environment of the league has changed a lot, even since 1950. The 1960s, for example, were very low-offense, so I'd guess that there were more no-hitters and less cycles during that time period, than as compared to, say, the 1940's or 1950's. (Didn't check the numbers, just a reasonable assumption)

walruskkkch
10-06-2008, 02:52 PM
Probably best to break it down to eras to see how they compare since both batting and pitching philosophies evolve which effects many things. Since no starters go past 7 innings much no-hitters seem like they should be much harder to come by. Hitting would seemed to be affected by the growth in HRs and the decline in triples.

Swampdog
10-06-2008, 07:22 PM
Like HGM said, the cycle-thing frequency would likely depend on the era. 39 in the past 9 seasons, a high offense era. The 60's dead ball era, 1963-1968, produced only 10 in 6 years. Also, from 1951-1959, just 6 cycles in 9 seasons.