Manny to tampa?

[TheNamelessPoet]

No it looks like the dodgers may be after Dunn...

Manny is running out of places to go. Can you see him in tampa... I know they would have to break open the bank and I dont think they would be willing... but with no suitors they could say here is 2 years 35-40 million and ad a bat to that lineup that to me... puts them right back on top...

[HoustonGM]

It's certainly an interesting possibility, and they do have an opening at DH.

[RedsoxRockies]

They had a great year, but 1: I don't think they can afford his crazy requests and 2:He might actually WANT to play there, since it is close to home, and he may decide that he can relax even more now that he is nearer to home :)

[KowboyKoop]

Very misleading title to the thread. People are going to think Manny is actually going to Tampa.

[RedsoxRockies]

It's certainly an interesting possibility, and they do have an opening at DH.

I think they should seek an alternative. Maybe even Hafner or something.

[lebsoccer02]

I think Tampa actually mentioned that it was specifically a right handed DH/corner OF power bat they were looking for...so Manny fits that

[HoustonGM]

I think they should seek an alternative. Maybe even Hafner or something.
Let's see here.

Travis Hafner, age 31. OPS+ in 2007 of 118, OPS+ in 2008 of 65 in an injury-shortened year. Is guaranteed $51.75 million through 2012. Getting him would also require giving up players.

Manny Ramirez, age 36, OPS+ in 2007 of 126, OPS+ in 2008 of 164. Would likely command a yearly salary of $20-25 million for 2-3 years. Getting him would require giving up just money.

I don't know why I bothered doing that, when I could've just simply said, "No way."

[TheNamelessPoet]

I think they should seek an alternative. Maybe even Hafner or something.

Well i was thinkin Tampa because... well he could stick it to the Sox all the time :p and even to the yanks a little

plus they would worship the ground he walks on down there... AND he would draw big crowds.. and with a big year, next year they may have him chasing 600 the next year so even if they are not in it... they have that :D

[RedsoxRockies]

Or they could just resign the younger and cheaper Rocco Baldelli. Sure he is an injury risk, but he is cool.

[HoustonGM]

Or they could just resign the younger and cheaper Rocco Baldelli. Sure he is an injury risk, but he is cool.
That's how a team with playoff aspirations should make their decisions.."Is he cool?"

I hadn't thought about this before, but Manny Ramirez really is a perfect fit for Tampa Bay, assuming they have the cash.

[defense]

Tampa isn't going to pay someone 20+ million dollars a year. People seem to forget that they are one of the smallest markets in the game

[TheNamelessPoet]

the more I think about it... Boggs, Canseco, Mcgriff, *snigker* Julio Franco...

[RedsoxRockies]

That's how a team with playoff aspirations should make their decisions.."Is he cool?"

I hadn't thought about this before, but Manny Ramirez really is a perfect fit for Tampa Bay, assuming they have the cash.

Yes, he is perfect, but I will keep hopes up that he stays in the National League! He probably is a great choice, but I don't want him there :p

[TheNamelessPoet]

Tampa isn't going to pay someone 20+ million dollars a year. People seem to forget that they are one of the smallest markets in the game

agreed... but I dont know... it realld does make way more sense thatn it ever could... I mean think of the attendence boost... it would bee like them adding a no name guy and paying 5-10 million... u dont think manny would help draw... look he went to LA and attendance went up substantialy.. it also would help legitimize them by saying... "We have a weekness and we are going to fix it." yes it would be a big hit payroll wise but they have major guys locked up long term so its not like he is going to make it so they cant resign their guys.. and if manny put up big #'s and he was a drain on $$$ they could trade him next year... like someone woudnt take him with 1-2 years left on a deal of he puts up .300+ 35+ 120 RBI... they would jump at it... naimly the Mets

[TheNamelessPoet]

Yes, he is perfect, but I will keep hopes up that he stays in the National League! He probably is a great choice, but I don't want him there :p

lol U want the rockies to sign him :D

[RedsoxRockies]

agreed... but I dont know... it realld does make way more sense thatn it ever could... I mean think of the attendence boost... it would bee like them adding a no name guy and paying 5-10 million... u dont think manny would help draw... look he went to LA and attendance went up substantialy.. it also would help legitimize them by saying... "We have a weekness and we are going to fix it." yes it would be a big hit payroll wise but they have major guys locked up long term so its not like he is going to make it so they cant resign their guys.. and if manny put up big #'s and he was a drain on $$$ they could trade him next year... like someone woudnt take him with 1-2 years left on a deal of he puts up .300+ 35+ 120 RBI... they would jump at it... naimly the Mets

They thought of the attendance boost when they signed Boggs, McGriff, and Canseco.... and look where that got 'em

[RedsoxRockies]

lol U want the rockies to sign him :D

That actually would not be a bad idea, he would be better then Gonzalez and would slug the ball at Coors... You gave me hope Poet!:D

[HoustonGM]

They thought of the attendance boost when they signed Boggs, McGriff, and Canseco.... and look where that got 'em
Manny is significantly different than those guys. He's still good.

[TheNamelessPoet]

They thought of the attendance boost when they signed Boggs, McGriff, and Canseco.... and look where that got 'em

but remember... they had no team aorund them then.. now they can pitch and just need a little help hitting. Manny could be that help.

now I was looking at all the deals Tampa signed... noone is leaving that team abter 2009... so for 2 years they are locked up. Kazmir is the 1 guy who excalates a lot in 2010.

[RedsoxRockies]

Manny is significantly different than those guys. He's still good.

But look.. He is the same age as they were, big contract... The only difference is he is still dominant. But they signed them as attractions, to no avail. Their only hope attendance wise would be if they tamed Manny yet had him use his crazy antic to their advantage. i could see him and Maddon getting along, they are loose, and he would be near his home. But still, would he be worth all the money? What if the crowds don't show up? How do they afford to hold a powerhouse team together?

[HoustonGM]

The only difference is he is still dominant. But they signed them as attractions, to no avail.
I want you to reread this statement and tell me what's wrong with it.


But still, would he be worth all the money? What if the crowds don't show up?
Regardless of the attendance boost, Manny would be a great fit for pure baseball reasons.


How do they afford to hold a powerhouse team together?
Because they already have locked up that powerhouse team for longer than they'd sign Manny for.

[RedsoxRockies]

I want you to reread this statement and tell me what's wrong with it.


Regardless of the attendance boost, Manny would be a great fit for pure baseball reasons.


Because they already have locked up that powerhouse team for longer than they'd sign Manny for.

Yes, there are pros, but with some big cons as well. I do not think it would be the BEST move, it could be great, but that is a lot of money still....

[TheNamelessPoet]

But look.. He is the same age as they were, big contract... The only difference is he is still dominant. But they signed them as attractions, to no avail. Their only hope attendance wise would be if they tamed Manny yet had him use his crazy antic to their advantage. i could see him and Maddon getting along, they are loose, and he would be near his home. But still, would he be worth all the money? What if the crowds don't show up? How do they afford to hold a powerhouse team together?

contracts up before 2010
Troy Percival rhp
Chad Bradford rhp
Akinori Iwamura 2b (otion at 4.25 in 2010 wich is a no brainer the way he has played I think)
Joe Nelson rhp
Joe Nelson rhp
Upton will be in his 1st or 2nd year of arbitration which could hurt them.

Pena is thru 2010
Kazmir is 2011 with an option for 2011
Sheilds is 2011 but under their control thru 2014
Price is 2012
Longoria is 2013 with options out to 2016.

They honestly may be set for a while :D they are in even better shape than I thought :D

[TheNamelessPoet]

Yes, there are pros, but with some big cons as well. I do not think it would be the BEST move, it could be great, but that is a lot of money still....

Looking at the f/a's that are out tehre... who is a better fit??? Dunn will want more years than manny. thats about all thats left... unless they traded someone... and I dont think they would really want to do that

[Slingshot]

Tampa may be the perfect fit for Manny, but Manny isn't the perfect fit for Tampa.

[gRYFYN1]

This depends alot on what Tampa Thinks it can do. If they want to take a crack at seeing if they can sustain a higher payroll Manny is a great fit, and, with options falling away A two year deal maybe an outside possibilty.

1- this would show people that Tampa means business and is willing to spend to stay competitve while thing are going well.

2- If it works, and fans show up, Manny will be coming off the Payroll as Tampa can decide whether to resign some of the younger players that will need contracts.

3- If it dosen't work, and fans still are ambivalent in Tampa; then they can prove the need for a new stadium/relocation.

[TheNamelessPoet]

This depends alot on what Tampa Thinks it can do. If they want to take a crack at seeing if they can sustain a higher payroll Manny is a great fit, and, with options falling away A two year deal maybe an outside possibilty.

1- this would show people that Tampa means business and is willing to spend to stay competitve while thing are going well.

2- If it works, and fans show up, Manny will be coming off the Payroll as Tampa can decide whether to resign some of the younger players that will need contracts.

3- If it dosen't work, and fans still are ambivalent in Tampa; then they can prove the need for a new stadium/relocation.
lol plop them right in Hartford CT please :p
agree on all points please

[dickay]

I think Tampa would pay most definetly if they could get Manny for only two years, and he'd be a great fit. The problem is, Manny doesn't want two years, he wants 3-4. If it were only 2 years he'd be in LAD by now. I can't see Tampa going longer than 2.

[KowboyKoop]

Let's see here.

Travis Hafner, age 31. OPS+ in 2007 of 118, OPS+ in 2008 of 65 in an injury-shortened year. Is guaranteed $51.75 million through 2012. Getting him would also require giving up players.

Manny Ramirez, age 36, OPS+ in 2007 of 126, OPS+ in 2008 of 164. Would likely command a yearly salary of $20-25 million for 2-3 years. Getting him would require giving up just money.

I don't know why I bothered doing that, when I could've just simply said, "No way."

Manny makes a lot of sense for the Rays, but if they signed him, wouldn't they also lose a draft pick?

[TheNamelessPoet]

Manny makes a lot of sense for the Rays, but if they signed him, wouldn't they also lose a draft pick?

EXCELENT point... hadnt thought of that

[metsguy234]

I really hope no one signs Manny. He's asking for ridiculous amounts of money and he sucks.

[HoustonGM]

Manny makes a lot of sense for the Rays, but if they signed him, wouldn't they also lose a draft pick?
True, good point. That muddies the equation.


I really hope no one signs Manny. He's asking for ridiculous amounts of money and he sucks.
As I said in the other thread, the only way that latter half of the second statement is true is if you add the word "defensively."

[Slingshot]

I really hope no one signs Manny. He's asking for ridiculous amounts of money and he sucks.

At least the Mets can sign this guy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3798671

Hurray!

[Pavelb1]

Looking at the f/a's that are out tehre... who is a better fit??? Dunn will want more years than manny. thats about all thats left...

Giambi
Abreau
Bradley

[RedsoxRockies]

Giambi
Abreau
Bradley

Bradley would probably benefit with Maddon as a manager, since he is so loose, yet bonding.

[KowboyKoop]

I really hope no one signs Manny. He's asking for ridiculous amounts of money and he sucks.

I would go into detail about how wrong you are, but I'm exhausted from nailing Jenny McCarthy, Carmen Electra, and Sarah Chalke all in a row.

[ohms_law]

Tampa is not "the smallest market in the game".

[Arctic Blast]

Now, THIS move I could get on board with...I think Manny and the Rays are actually a pretty decent fit. They're a good team that needs a power stick.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Giambi
Abreau
Bradley

Bradley maybe, Abreau yes but he will probably want more years and is not as dominant as Manny but stull very good...

Giambi... um no