Peavy to White Sox

[filihok]

according to ESPN

[200tang]

according to ESPN

Weird, I saw it on MLBTR earlier this morning but thought it was just a rumor because they said Peavy didn't want to play with Ozzie Guillen.

Seems like a weird team to get Peavy though, I was thinking someone else would have acquired him.

[ragecage]

It still needs Peavys approval according to the article. I dont know if I would want to go there.

[filihok]

They haven't said what players go back except for 'mostly pitching'.

Also they are waiting for Peavy to accept the deal

[ragecage]

How do you guys think he will do there? He isnt exactly lighting things up this year.

[200tang]

How do you guys think he will do there? He isnt exactly lighting things up this year.

Go check out the Fangraphs post, it has all of his road splits already posted. He's not bad, but he wouldn't be worth the prospects or contract if he performs like his road splits suggest.

[ragecage]

Go check out the Fangraphs post, it has all of his road splits already posted. He's not bad, but he wouldn't be worth the prospects or contract if he performs like his road splits suggest.

Yeah it doesnt look that promising, when you factor in the DH spot and the White Sox park, I dont think he would do so good.

[Jeffy25]

peavy has to approve still...but would be quite the deal

[RedsoxRockies]

NONONONONO!!!!!!!!!! NOT CHICAGO! WTF! WTFWTFWTF! NOOOOOO!!! WHY CHICAGO! WHY THE WHITE SOX!?!?!?!?!?!? PEAVY BeTTER REJECT THIS!!!

[200tang]

NONONONONO!!!!!!!!!! NOT CHICAGO! WTF! WTFWTFWTF! NOOOOOO!!! WHY CHICAGO! WHY THE WHITE SOX!?!?!?!?!?!? PEAVY BeTTER REJECT THIS!!!

Why?

[KowboyKoop]

I don't see how this makes sense. The ChiSox would decimate their already bad (I think?) farm system and their offense still sucks bigtime. I thought they were trying to rebuild...but now their offense is getting old and is awful and they will be giving away a bunch of pitching prospects for four months of Peavy.

Maybe it'll boost them to being contenders in the division though..maybe.


EDIT: My bad, I misread Cots. He's signed thru 2013. That changes things...we'll see what prospects they give up.

[HoustonGM]

So far the rumblings are that it's Aaron Poreda and Clayton Richard plus two lesser guys. All indications are that they're holding on to their top offensive prospects (Beckham, Flowers, Allen).

I can't say that I like this deal for Chicago. Peavy is a good pitcher, but he does look prettier than he is thanks to playing in the NL in Petco. Moving to the AL and one of the best home run parks in the league isn't a recipe for success for a flyball pitcher moving from the most cavernous park in the league.

[200tang]

I kind of want the ChiSox to give up Beckham just to see what kind of insane asking price Halladay has.

[RedsoxRockies]

Why?

The White Sox are second only to the Yankees on the list of my most hated teams. Though trading Peavy would get him away from my Rockies, as I acknowledged on my blog.

[200tang]

The White Sox are second only to the Yankees on the list of my most hated teams. Though trading Peavy would get him away from my Rockies, as I acknowledged on my blog.

So then wouldn't it be a good thing for them to make a bad trade if you hate them so much? Peavy probably won't be all that great in a home run park and the White Sox will have to give up quite a bit to get a very good player from a rebuilding Padres team.

[Slingshot]

The White Sox are second only to the Yankees on the list of my most hated teams. Though trading Peavy would get him away from my Rockies, as I acknowledged on my blog.

Is that because you actually dislike the team, or because you don't like the resemblance their name has to a certain other team that you might fancy?

[RedsoxRockies]

So then wouldn't it be a good thing for them to make a bad trade if you hate them so much? Peavy probably won't be all that great in a home run park and the White Sox will have to give up quite a bit to get a very good player from a rebuilding Padres team.

Yea, I realized that since my first post.

[RedsoxRockies]

Is that because you actually dislike the team, or because you don't like the resemblance their name has to a certain other team that you might fancy?

I actually dislike the team. I hate Aj Perzynski especially. I never liked the White Sox...

[TheNamelessPoet]

I dont understand why they don't ask players 1st to get an idea if he would say yes or no

[Jeffy25]

I don't see the White Sox's big benefit for this deal

[HoustonGM]

I don't see the White Sox's big benefit for this deal
It's true. It's their offense that needs a major upgrade, not their rotation. Adding Jake Peavy can never hurt, particularly when you aren't removing pieces from your major league roster, but when you're 7th in ERA in the league and last in runs scored, it's not the pitching that needs help.

[HoustonGM]

Well, here's metsguy's wisdom:

Metsguy234 (3:50:53 PM): webb, santana, lincecum, sabathia, halladay, haren are below him
straightoutofhxc (3:50:56 PM): lol
Metsguy234 (3:50:56 PM): he is a living legend

[Jeffy25]

Well, here's metsguy's wisdom:

Metsguy234 (3:50:53 PM): webb, santana, lincecum, sabathia, halladay, haren are below him
straightoutofhxc (3:50:56 PM): lol
Metsguy234 (3:50:56 PM): he is a living legend


ummmm no.

He is a fly ball pitcher who has benefited from Petco...some.

He is a solid top of the line rotation pitcher who gets a lot of strike outs...but I don't see the white sox as the team that this benefits the most.

[ewing6]

Well, here's metsguy's wisdom:

Metsguy234 (3:50:53 PM): webb, santana, lincecum, sabathia, halladay, haren are below him
straightoutofhxc (3:50:56 PM): lol
Metsguy234 (3:50:56 PM): he is a living legend

That goes in the owned thread, but he owned himself lol

[Jeffy25]

That goes in the owned thread, but he owned himself lol

haha yes

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, he just tried arguing with me that Peavy is better than Santana (let alone all those other names), and I proceeded to list that Santana is better in everything except preventing home runs (gee, Petco Park, anybody?) and he said "But not All Star appearances". Oh, woops, actually, Santana's 3 beats Peavy's 2. "But not wins." Oh, yep, that too. :rolleyes:

[metsguy234]

I just don't like Santana. I do include my biases and what players I like and dislike when I evaluate players, and I base most of it off of trying to remember how the players' stats compare.

[Jeffy25]

Yeah, he just tried arguing with me that Peavy is better than Santana (let alone all those other names), and I proceeded to list that Santana is better in everything except preventing home runs (gee, Petco Park, anybody?) and he said "But not All Star appearances". Oh, woops, actually, Santana's 3 beats Peavy's 2. "But not wins." Oh, yep, that too. :rolleyes:

haha wrong guy to get into that argument with

I had an interesting argument last night.

A friend was trying to tell me that Bonds was only an unheard of great player because of steriods....I fought that one tooth and nail.

Bonds was a great player, and likely would have been whether he did roids or not. The difference between him and someone like McGwire was that he lied about it. Bonds was an exceptional player, and I don't want to go on ranting and raving about the guy or defending him....I don't personally care for him. But he was ridiculous...and if you are going to fight that Bonds cheated, then you will have to fight that Aaron did, Ruth did and almost every other great player of any era. Difference is...Bonds is attacked from the media hard core. I wonder what it even matters? Every player in a professional sport will do anything within legal (for msot players) to be the best...I believe Bonds did that. I just don't like him for the kind of person he is...he is a hall of famer in my book, and so is Rose


I might add to that. He did what he could until it was no longer allowed, or is that not correct?

[200tang]

I just don't like Santana. I do include my biases and what players I like and dislike when I evaluate players, and I base most of it off of trying to remember how the players' stats compare.

Then you should base it off of stats and not imagination.

[RedsoxRockies]

I just don't like Santana. I do include my biases and what players I like and dislike when I evaluate players, and I base most of it off of trying to remember how the players' stats compare.

Last week you liked Santana

[Red Sox Fan 734]

I doubt Peavy will waive his no trade clause. Why would he leave the National League in a huge pitchers park to play in the AL with a DH in a pretty average park

[Jeffy25]

I doubt Peavy will waive his no trade clause. Why would he leave the National League in a huge pitchers park to play in the AL with a DH in a pretty average park

I would not do this if I was him

[Jeffy25]

Last week you liked Santana

I'm pretty sure he is just a fan of whoever played best last...or most recently...I think he doesn't have a long term memory....a week ago he hated Wright and Beltran

[200tang]

The Mariners should trade Greg Halman and a couple other decent prospects for him :>

Although if they did it would probably backfire or something.

[200tang]

5:41pm: The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that Peavy has officially vetoed a trade to the White Sox.

[OldFatGuy]

5:41pm: The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that Peavy has officially vetoed a trade to the White Sox.

Just wanted to provide the link. Thanks Tang.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1585320,jake-peavy-white-sox-trade-chicago-052109.article

[metsguy234]

For shame, Jake. Stop being so stingy and specific.

[200tang]

The Mariners should trade Greg Halman and a couple other decent prospects for him :>


You know, the more I think about this the more it makes sense. Maybe a Greg Halman/Michael Saunders/Jeff Clement for Peavy and Antonelli. I would imagine Peavy would waive his no-trade clause to pitch in Safeco too.

[OldFatGuy]

I don't get why the Padres don't just ASK THE GUY who would be acceptable, rather than wasting several man hours on trades that he'll veto. Doesn't seem to big a deal to me to just say "Hey, Jake, can you give us a list of some teams that would work?"

EDIT: Hmm, I wonder if the 20-1 game today influenced his decision. :p

[boomboom]

You know, the more I think about this the more it makes sense. Maybe a Greg Halman/Michael Saunders/Jeff Clement for Peavy and Antonelli. I would imagine Peavy would waive his no-trade clause to pitch in Safeco too.

I would make that trade :)

[RedsoxRockies]

Antonelli has lost a lot of potential

[200tang]

Antonelli has lost a lot of potential

He gives needed depth for Seattle.

[KowboyKoop]

Peavy's smart. He knows a 3.00 pays better and looks better than a 3.75-4.00 ERA pitching in the AL (depending on ballpark). 2.81 ERA at home, 3.82 ERA on the road...and that's mostly in the NL. In the AL, he's a really good pitcher..but maybe not the elite ace he is perceived as now.

[filihok]

Peavy's smart. Living in San Diego is much better than living in Chicago

[metsguy234]

Peavy's stupid. He doesn't want a ring apparently.

[ewing6]

Peavy's stupid. He doesn't want a ring apparently.

Wasn't going to get 1 with the whitesox. He wouldn't be dumb if he got traded to the mets right Metsguy

[KowboyKoop]

Peavy's stupid. He doesn't want a ring apparently.

Yeah....it does suck that he has chosen to wrap up the final couple years of his career with a terrible team.

Wait a second........

[HoustonGM]

I just don't like Santana. I do include my biases and what players I like and dislike when I evaluate players, and I base most of it off of trying to remember how the players' stats compare.
Why in the world would you not like Santana? That's something I've never heard even you express before.

Last week you liked Santana
Well, see, he said something (Peavy = legend, best pitcher in the game), realized it was stupid, and then, since he has a syndrome or something where he CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTNACES admit he is wrong about something, has to change his "opinions" to fit the incorrect statement he made. So, now, he doesn't like Santana, and that is why Peavy is better.


For shame, Jake. Stop being so stingy and specific.
Earlier, you were saying that whoever did the deal on the Padres side should "go die" because it is "stupid" to trade Peavy who is a "legend" and "making the league minimum." Now, Peavy, who knows very well that part of his shine comes from pitching in the NL West in Petco Park, vetoes the trade and he is "stingy" and "specific" (What?) oh and...stupid and doesn't want a ring. Those 17-23 White Sox who have been outscored by 47 runs and have offensive blackholes at like four positions sure look primed for a ring. :rolleyes: Seriously, think before you talk... or just don't speak.

[Arctic Blast]

Peavy's stupid. He doesn't want a ring apparently.

Uhhh...no. He's smart enough to realize his value is going to keep going up to contending teams. Eventually a LEGITIMATE title contender will make a play for him.

[ohms_law]

You guys just can't help it, can you?
I hope that you all realize that he's saying all of these things in order to specifically get a reaction from you. I'm sure that he does believe some of it (he is 14, after all), but seriously... just quit feeding the troll.

[HoustonGM]

You guys just can't help it, can you?
I hope that you all realize that he's saying all of these things in order to specifically get a reaction from you. I'm sure that he does believe some of it (he is 14, after all), but seriously... just quit feeding the troll.
I said this earlier....but, at times, I feel that same way, but then the way he reacts when what he says is proven wrong, flipping out and yelling and calling people liars that show he's wrong...I really have a hard time believing that he's doing it for a reaction. I think he's just... crazy.

[ohms_law]

It's obviously both. He does really believe the stuff that he's saying, most of the time. The issue isn't really what he's saying though, it's the presentation. Notice how just about everything is an issue...
I don't know, it's hard to really quantify. It's just, "obvious", to me.

[200tang]

Uh-Oh, Ohms is trolling HGM! :p

[filihok]

Strike 2

http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2009/05/oswalt_will_not.html


Oswalt isn’t talking publicly about any trade speculation, but the Chronicle has learned that Oswalt would invoke his no-trade clause if the White Sox attempted to acquire him

[OregonDuck1989]

Nobody wants to pitch on the south side.

[ragecage]

Is there any speculation that its because of the way Ozzie manages that team?

[HoustonGM]

Is there any speculation that its because of the way Ozzie manages that team?
It's probably more because Peavy and Oswalt know that going to AL pitcher parks will be detrimental to them, and also that the White Sox don't look like serious contenders.

[ragecage]

It's probably more because Peavy and Oswalt know that going to AL pitcher parks will be detrimental to them, and also that the White Sox don't look like serious contenders.

Yeah, with these two guys it might seem they have their roots tied with the club they played for and probably dont want to up and move or be away from their families. Thats the only other thing I can think of besides not playing for Guillen.

[filihok]

Yeah, with these two guys it might seem they have their roots tied with the club they played for and probably dont want to up and move or be away from their families. Thats the only other thing I can think of besides not playing for Guillen.

I think that people seriously underestimate this point. Everyone points to 'he doesn't want his ERA ruined', or 'he wants to be on a contender' and forgets about that baseball players have lives and families and it's just as much of a pain for them to move and uproot their lives as it is for anyone else.

[BINGLEBOP]

I think that people seriously underestimate this point. Everyone points to 'he doesn't want his ERA ruined', or 'he wants to be on a contender' and forgets about that baseball players have lives and families and it's just as much of a pain for them to move and uproot their lives as it is for anyone else.

Exactly. And people wonder why players don't have "loyalty" to their team that can trade them (and have to uproot their family if they live with them) at a moment's notice without giving them any say in the matter.

[ragecage]

Its also because....



















we are all snowflakes. :)

[HoustonGM]

I think that people seriously underestimate this point. Everyone points to 'he doesn't want his ERA ruined', or 'he wants to be on a contender' and forgets about that baseball players have lives and families and it's just as much of a pain for them to move and uproot their lives as it is for anyone else.
It all factors in. Peavy has expressed a disinterest in going to the AL, for reasons such as him wanting to hit.

[ragecage]

It all factors in. Peavy has expressed a disinterest in going to the AL, for reasons such as him wanting to hit.

just say we are all snowflakes. You know you want to. :)

[Joe12Pack]

How could family, etc. factor in if he is supposedly willing to pitch for the Cubs?

I'd guess the real reason is the White Sox team itself, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ERA issue was a factor, even if it were the main factor.

[skudplayr]

This stuff is just sad to me. A guy would rather stay on a losing team for years because his numbers might be better in a big ballpark than go to a contender with a smaller park.

Shows what type of player and leader he is. His contract is guaranteed, not like he can get cut (and lose out on any money) if he performs poorly.

[HoustonGM]

This stuff is just sad to me. A guy would rather stay on a losing team for years because his numbers might be better in a big ballpark than go to a contender with a smaller park.

Shows what type of player and leader he is. His contract is guaranteed, not like he can get cut (and lose out on any money) if he performs poorly.
That's just one of the possible reasons. Many others have been listed - wanting to play for a contender (which the White Sox are not, realistically), wanting/enjoying to hit (ie. stay in the NL for non-better number reasons), location, dislike of the manager, etc.

[etothep]

No offence to Chicago, but if I could could $10+M a year playing baseball in sunny San Diego, I'd never waive my no-trade clause, regardless of what city was trying to trade for me.

[skudplayr]

That's just one of the possible reasons. Many others have been listed - wanting to play for a contender (which the White Sox are not, realistically), wanting/enjoying to hit (ie. stay in the NL for non-better number reasons), location, dislike of the manager, etc.

I was kind of talking about Philadelphia. But, Chicago will be able to contend in the Central. And San Diego will not.

[HoustonGM]

Who said anything about Peavy not wanting to play in Philadelphia?

[TheNamelessPoet]

Who said anything about Peavy not wanting to play in Philadelphia?

If he wanted a ring it wouldnt be a bad place to start... but his stats will suffer a ton... isnt he a flyball pitcher?

[skudplayr]

Who said anything about Peavy not wanting to play in Philadelphia?

Back in August 2007, Peavy did an interview about Petco and Barry Bonds' chase for the HR record.

Here's what Peavy said:

"You won't hit cheap home runs here, but if you square it up, it will go," he said. "If you hit a home run here, you have hit a home run, and that's the way it should be.

"Hitters will say this is a terrible place. They think it's a graveyard. But it's fair."

Peavy then launched into an entertaining rant about the dimensions of some other more hitter-friendly parks in the NL.

"Arizona, Colorado," he said. "Are you kidding me? Cincinnati. Look at the parks in the Central [Division]. Houston. You stand in the outfield shagging and you feel like you're at deep short."

Then Peavy moved eastward.

"That new Philadelphia park might be the worst in baseball," he said. "Look at Shane Victorino. I love Vic to death. He's a great baseball player. He's got 11 or 12 homers [already]. He's not a 20-homer guy."


Although at that point what Peavy didn't know was that 6 of Shane's HR were at home and 5 were on the road. But touche.

[HoustonGM]

Ah, okay, I just figured you were originally talking about Chicago since nobody mentioned Philly in this thread, and you didn't in your first post either.

[skudplayr]

Ha sorry I didn't read the whole thread. Just figured I'd nudge the conversation on to things that might actually happen, since we know Peavy to the White Sox is dead.

[gRYFYN1]

Ha sorry I didn't read the whole thread. Just figured I'd nudge the conversation on to things that might actually happen, since we know Peavy to the White Sox is dead.

Not so fast there, Hoss!

[skudplayr]

Not so fast there, Hoss!

Ha damn my crystal ball failed me that day.