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metsguy234

07-05-2009, 06:35 PM

How many people have said that?

Ok **** Michael Young. I'm so sick of him and his overrated defense and batting average. Brandon Inge got robbed.

No Mark Reynolds or Matt Kemp....no Ian Kinsler or Brandon Inge
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Slingshot

07-05-2009, 06:38 PM

.

That's only two people and I see no mention of a travesty either.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 06:39 PM

That's only two people and I see no mention of a travesty either.

:rolleyes:

Slingshot

07-05-2009, 06:44 PM

:rolleyes:

Again, people bring up his name in the All-Star discussion because he's having a very good year. Do you hold some sort of personal grudge against him?

haveacigar

07-05-2009, 06:47 PM

Most of it has just been me saying it a bunch of times.

I don't know what you want. He's one of the best defensive 3B in baseball, and he's having a monster season at the plate. For someone who takes his all-star game as seriously as Metsguy does, I would think you would understand.

haveacigar

07-05-2009, 06:48 PM

his numbers havent been good enough for me

yeah, 19 bombs in half a season sucks.

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 06:59 PM

Metsguy, you're complaining about Adam Dunn not making it. Brandon Inge has been better than Adam Dunn (once you include defense, obviously). Furthermore, Michael Young has no argument for having been better than Inge so far this year, while there is a multitude of outfielders around or better than Dunn.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 07:53 PM

Brandon Inge has been better than Adam Dunn

No. And congratulations, for saying that bit of dumbassery, you've earned your spot on my ignore list.

Jeffy25

07-05-2009, 07:56 PM

hahah metsguy why do you even bother?

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 08:18 PM

No. And congratulations, for saying that bit of dumbassery, you've earned your spot on my ignore list.
Just because you don't understand the value of defense doesn't make me a dumbass. In fact, it makes you one, since you refuse to acknowledge defensive value.

eggson27

07-05-2009, 08:21 PM

Metsguy you just FAIL. I'm sorry. I don't care if you put me on ignore or anything but you obviously don't really care about anything you need to stop posting if you're going to just fail like you do consistently.

gRYFYN1

07-05-2009, 08:22 PM

No. And congratulations, for saying that bit of dumbassery, you've earned your spot on my ignore list.

are you even aware of what Inge's stats are this year?

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 08:24 PM

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 08:33 PM

idk man, I can't say that some guy who never hits more than 20 HR and whose OBP is as far as I know nothing crazy is better than a player who hits 40 HR every year and consistently leads the league in walks and OBP.
Adam Dunn does not constantly lead the league in OBP.

Either way, I suggest you take a look at Brandon Inge's stats this year (hint: he's only got 4 less home runs than Adam Dunn).

But, of course, nobody's claiming that Brandon Inge is a better hitter than Adam Dunn. We're claiming he's BEEN a better OVERALL player THIS YEAR.

wahoosamC

07-05-2009, 10:11 PM

Inge has been a top 20 player in all of MLB, it is a complete joke that he isn't on the team.

As far as Adam Dunn goes, anybody who thinks he has been anywhere near as valuable is a ****ing dumbass.

eggson27

07-05-2009, 10:13 PM

Inge has been a top 20 player in all of MLB, it is a complete joke that he isn't on the team.

As far as Adam Dunn goes, anybody who thinks he has been anywhere near as valuable is a ****ing dumbass.

Hmmm I wonder who you're talking about here

wahoosamC

07-05-2009, 10:18 PM

idk man, I can't say that some guy who never hits more than 20 HR and whose OBP is as far as I know nothing crazy is better than a player who hits 40 HR every year and consistently leads the league in walks and OBP.

1. Adam Dunn has never lead the league in OBP.
2. Adam Dunn has lead the league in walks once in 6 full seasons.
3. The past is irrelevant.
4. You're a ****ing dumbass.

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 10:20 PM

3. The past is irrelevant.
I wouldn't say that much. People do have different definitions of "all stars." For me, yes, the past is irrelevant, as I want to honor only those players who were the best so far this year. However, others (for example: Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus) want it to honor actual "stars", and not just guys lucky enough to have the three best months of their lives coincide with the first three months of a season. Both positions are perfectly justifiable and acceptable, I think.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 10:22 PM

1. Adam Dunn has never lead the league in OBP.
2. Adam Dunn has lead the league in walks once in 6 full seasons.
3. The past is irrelevant.
4. You're a ****ing dumbass.
1) .383 career, still pretty damn good
2) 2008 he did. 2nd in 2006 and so far in 2009. 3rd in 2005.
3) No.
4)Wow that's nice

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 10:25 PM

dickay

07-05-2009, 10:25 PM

I wouldn't say that much. People do have different definitions of "all stars." For me, yes, the past is irrelevant, as I want to honor only those players who were the best so far this year. However, others (for example: Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus) want it to honor actual "stars", and not just guys lucky enough to have the three best months of their lives coincide with the first three months of a season. Both positions are perfectly justifiable and acceptable, I think.

we actually agree that both positions are acceptable.

i for one say its an exhibition (albeit with a twist), let the fans see who they want to see. i actually like that true greats get in even though they may have had a subpar few months. thats just me though.

wahoosamC

07-05-2009, 10:28 PM

1) .383 career, still pretty damn good
2) 2008 he did. 2nd in 2006 and so far in 2009. 3rd in 2005.
3) No.
4)Wow that's nice

1. No backtracking, look up your info before saying random sht.
2. Once again, quit backtracking. He lead it once like I said, that's not consistently. Instead of always having to backtrack, look it up before you post.
3. What happened 5 years ago has no bearing on who's better this year.
4. It's true.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 10:30 PM

1. No backtracking, look up your info before saying random sht.
2. Once again, quit backtracking. He lead it once like I said, that's not consistently. Instead of always having to backtrack, look it up before you post.
3. What happened 5 years ago has no bearing on who's better this year.
4. It's true.

2. Actually you said never.
3. And I still think Dunn is better this year, IMO the large gap in offense covers up for the gap in defense.

wahoosamC

07-05-2009, 10:31 PM

2. Actually you said never.
3. And I still think Dunn is better this year, IMO the large gap in offense covers up for the gap in defense.

2. Learn how to read.
3. Not even close.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 10:33 PM

2. Learn how to read.
3. Not even close.

2. Sorry I was confusing two different lines in my head.
3. Well I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one. I don't see how Inge is better this year, or all time, or whatever.

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 10:40 PM

Whatever though, Inge through no stretch of my imagination makes my all star team. I'd rather have the guy OPSing over .400, hitting loads of HR, driving in lots of runs, etc, who I also know will keep all that up.
Adam Dunn: 22 HR, 58 RBI
Brandon Inge: 18 HR, 52 RBI

Really not that big of a difference. Of course, once again, the reason Inge has been better is not offense. Adam Dunn has very clearly been a better and more valuable offensive player. Brandon Inge has very clearly been a better and more valuable overall player.

Also, of course, arguing over this in an All Star Game context is stupid, considering Inge and Dunn not only play entirely separate positions, but are both in different leagues as well. The real issue here is Michael Young vs. Brandon Inge and Inge has Young beat everywhere (though its a near push offensively).

3. Well I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one. I don't see how Inge is better this year, or all time, or whatever.
Because you don't understand that Brandon Inge is one of the best defensive third basemen in the entire game, and Adam Dunn is one of, if not the, worst defensive left fielder in the entire game.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 10:41 PM

Because you don't understand that Brandon Inge is one of the best defensive third basemen in the entire game, and Adam Dunn is one of, if not the, worst defensive left fielders in the entire game.

Fixed.

And no.

eggson27

07-05-2009, 10:43 PM

Fixed.

And no.

Um.

Yes.

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 10:48 PM

Fixed.
One of, if not the worst.

It's fine. But I do thoroughly enjoy that every time you're losing an argument, you become a grammar Nazi in a futile attempt to divert the attention away from your own stupid arguments

And no.
Yes. His UZR's each year since 2005 have been no better than -14.9 (in 2006). And it's not just UZR. He scores among the worst in the game in every advanced defensive metric. He's putrid.

metsguy234

07-05-2009, 10:52 PM

Yes. His UZR's each year since 2005 have been no better than -14.9 (in 2006). And it's not just UZR. He scores among the worst in the game in every advanced defensive metric. He's putrid.

I was saying no to the first statement.

eggson27

07-05-2009, 10:54 PM

I was saying no to the first statement.

Name a few better defensive players than Inge.

I'm sure HGM will give you some stats.

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 10:55 PM

I was saying no to the first statement.
That Inge is one of the best defensive 3B in the game? LOL. Here's his UZR's at 3B each year since 2005:

2005: +7.8 - 3rd in majors, 2nd in AL
2006: +17.9 - led majors
2007: +9.8 - tied for 4th in majors, 1st in AL
2008: +2.5 (in only 51 games, 33 started) - did not qualify for leaders
2009: +8.3 - tied for 3rd in majors and AL

haveacigar

07-05-2009, 10:57 PM

He's tied for second in the AL this year, isn't he? Longoria first, he and Figgins #2?

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 10:59 PM

He's tied for second in the AL this year, isn't he? Longoria first, he and Figgins #2?
Joe Crede is first. Adrian Beltre second. Longoria and Inge tied for 3rd.

asianinvasion

07-05-2009, 11:03 PM

Go Beltre!!!

haveacigar

07-05-2009, 11:44 PM

Joe Crede is first. Adrian Beltre second. Longoria and Inge tied for 3rd.

Does Joe Crede even qualify? Not that it matters, since UZR is cumulative.

HoustonGM

07-05-2009, 11:45 PM

Does Joe Crede even qualify? Not that it matters, since UZR is cumulative.
Apparently, since it's set to "qualified only." :p

Jeffy25

07-06-2009, 02:00 AM

I like brandon inge, every year there will be players like him that perform well but just won't make it. Sad news, but it's a fact of the game, his numbers are good enough, and his defense should get him in, but that al east has some solid third basemen that he sadly has to compete with. If he doesn't make it, it isn't his fault

BINGLEBOP

07-06-2009, 02:22 AM

If he doesn't make it, it isn't his fault

Definitely. While it's nice to be elected, I think there are just as many players, if not more, who would rather rest and relax over the All Star Break with their families.

haveacigar

07-06-2009, 09:44 AM

Apparently, since it's set to "qualified only." :p

Well, I ask because when I was looking at it yesterday, Mr. Crede wasn't listed...

TheNamelessPoet

07-06-2009, 09:47 AM

No. And congratulations, for saying that bit of dumbassery, you've earned your spot on my ignore list.

and the idiocrocy continues...
I hat eto say it as I hate to ignor people and evry now and then MG is productive/funny but this ist starting to get bad

eggson27

07-06-2009, 10:23 AM

Yea erm.. not sure why anyone would actually care if they were on metsguy's ignore list..

HoustonGM

07-06-2009, 01:19 PM

Well, I ask because when I was looking at it yesterday, Mr. Crede wasn't listed...
I could be wrong but I think UZR updates weekly, which would explain differences between Saturday and Sunday's leaderboards being different. Of course, though, as you said, it's not particularly relevant since UZR is a counting stat.

Jeffy25

07-06-2009, 05:08 PM

looks like Kinsler made it

haveacigar

07-06-2009, 07:57 PM

looks like Kinsler made it

What do you mean? Voting doesn't end til thursday.

eggson27

07-06-2009, 07:58 PM

I HOPE Kinsler makes it.

I don't really have a strong preference on the NL side.

Jeffy25

07-06-2009, 08:00 PM

What do you mean? Voting doesn't end til thursday.

he is leading....i thought it was a 24 hour vote or something....i didn't know it lasted until thursday....my bad.

saw on mlb.com that he was leading thus far...assumed that he was saying he basically made it

wahoosamC

07-08-2009, 08:15 PM

wahoosamC

07-08-2009, 08:16 PM

And Inge is currently leading Kinsler in the voting.

metsguy234

07-08-2009, 08:18 PM

And Inge is currently leading Kinsler in the voting.

:mad:

eggson27

07-08-2009, 08:43 PM

aw man..

bucher34

07-08-2009, 08:44 PM

Good.

DarthJaker

07-08-2009, 08:45 PM

Kinsler and Reynolds!!!

eggson27

07-08-2009, 08:48 PM

Kinsler and Reynolds!!!

Wooo! Reynolds is who I ended up voting for for the NL but it was a close race.

metsguy234

07-08-2009, 08:56 PM

Kinsler and Reynolds!!!

Kinsler and Sandoval!!!

DarthJaker

07-08-2009, 09:00 PM

Reynolds!!!!! He deserves it!!

haveacigar

07-08-2009, 09:09 PM

I hope Inge makes it over Kinsler so Metsguy has to replace his computer.

And also because I don't like the Rangers.

haveacigar

07-09-2009, 05:45 PM

Suck it, Inge haters. Suck it long, and suck it hard.

eggson27

07-09-2009, 10:28 PM

Damn it damn it damn it :mad:

However, I am not an Inge hater at all. I just think Kinsler deserved it more :mad:

metsguy234

07-09-2009, 10:47 PM

I think the ASG should be canceled.

eggson27

07-09-2009, 10:49 PM

I think the ASG should be canceled.

Now I know you're kidding. That was actually a little funny

haveacigar

07-10-2009, 01:19 AM

I think Metsguy should be canceled.

And by that I mean, I should get a time machine, and go back to when he was conceived, and give his dad a rubber.

eggson27

07-10-2009, 09:48 AM

Oo that's harsh

haveacigar

07-10-2009, 12:47 PM

metsguy234

07-10-2009, 01:07 PM

Inge gonna be in the home run derby. He's going to ruin the entire weekend for Metsguy.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090709&content_id=5794918&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb

"likely"

And that's fine, maybe we'll get lucky and it'll mess up his swing for the whole year, maybe even ruin his career.

eggson27

07-10-2009, 01:56 PM

"likely"

And that's fine, maybe we'll get lucky and it'll mess up his swing for the whole year, maybe even ruin his career.

Look. Stop talking about Brandon Inge. Stop talking about baseball. You obviously don't know enough about it to talk about it.

ewing6

07-10-2009, 01:57 PM

Look. Stop talking about Brandon Inge. Stop talking about baseball. You obviously don't know enough about it to talk about it.

owned

ragecage

07-10-2009, 02:00 PM

god i wish you guys would stop quoting him for a while. Ive about had my fill of his trolling.

DarthJaker

07-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Inge for HRD???????? What's next Jason Tyner will be in the Derby?? What ever happened to Tyner:confused::D:p

BINGLEBOP

07-10-2009, 05:03 PM

Inge for HRD???????? What's next Jason Tyner will be in the Derby?? What ever happened to Tyner:confused::D:p

You obviously don't pay attention to baseball either, do you?

BINGLEBOP

07-10-2009, 05:31 PM

Mauer is in (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090710&content_id=5803222&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb).

haveacigar

07-10-2009, 05:33 PM

Inge for HRD???????? What's next Jason Tyner will be in the Derby?? What ever happened to Tyner:confused::D:p

Yeah, 19 bombs at the all star break. What a light hitter.

Tyner got traded to the Tigers at one point for nothing, and then he was released.

asianinvasion

07-10-2009, 05:34 PM

Ichiro needs to enter a derby before he retires. I just want to see him try it out at least once. I bet he would win too.

HoustonGM

07-10-2009, 05:35 PM

Yeah. Ichiro would hit 40 home runs a year if he wanted to.

:p :rolleyes:

haveacigar

07-10-2009, 05:37 PM

Remember when Hee Seop Choi was in it?

asianinvasion

07-10-2009, 05:38 PM

Yeah. Ichiro would hit 40 home runs a year if he wanted to.

:p :rolleyes:

You've never seen him in batting practice have you? He hits jacks and he's not even trying.

BINGLEBOP

07-10-2009, 05:41 PM

You've never seen him in batting practice have you? He hits jacks and he's not even trying.

Wade Boggs was that way too. He could have hit for more power (24 HR in 1987), but he didn't want to sacrifice his hitting ability for it.

BINGLEBOP

07-10-2009, 05:42 PM

Remember when Hee Seop Choi was in it?

I completely forgot about him. I thought he was going to be a great player. It didn't seem like he ever got a chance.

Coach Owens

07-10-2009, 05:46 PM

Yeah. Ichiro would hit 40 home runs a year if he wanted to.

:p :rolleyes:

I don't think anyone's saying that he could. But he does have quite a bit of power, (as you can see by some of the extra-base hits he gets), but his swing makes it hard to transfer that into actual homers. Besides, he's said that he doesn't like to hit homers since he's the leadoff hitter.

HoustonGM

07-10-2009, 06:03 PM

Wade Boggs was that way too. He could have hit for more power (24 HR in 1987), but he didn't want to sacrifice his hitting ability for it.
1987 was the year where home runs shot up around the league. A lot of players had fluky home run years that year.

I don't think anyone's saying that he could. But he does have quite a bit of power, (as you can see by some of the extra-base hits he gets), but his swing makes it hard to transfer that into actual homers. Besides, he's said that he doesn't like to hit homers since he's the leadoff hitter.
Nobody here's saying that, I think. It's a common meme in the media, though.

Coach Owens

07-10-2009, 07:25 PM

1987 was the year where home runs shot up around the league. A lot of players had fluky home run years that year.

Nobody here's saying that, I think. It's a common meme in the media, though.

*Shrug* I could see him hitting 20+ homers if he was lower in the lineup. I realize that he's never come close to that, but from my experience seeing him play, I believe that he really could.

Brandon Inge

07-11-2009, 01:29 AM

Michael do you have a problem with me. If so we should talk it out.

BINGLEBOP

07-11-2009, 01:34 AM

*Shrug* I could see him hitting 20+ homers if he was lower in the lineup. I realize that he's never come close to that, but from my experience seeing him play, I believe that he really could.

He did in Japan (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/s/ichiro-suzuki.shtml). Granted, it's two different styles of baseball and the caliber is different, but the rest of his game sure hasn't suffered from his Japanese baseball playing days.

gosensgo101

07-11-2009, 01:35 AM

Michael do you have a problem with me. If so we should talk it out.Me? No, no problem at all. :rolleyes:

Brandon Inge

07-11-2009, 01:36 AM

Me? No, no problem at all. :rolleyes:

I'm talking about that Metsguy. He's mad at me for being an all-star.

eggson27

07-11-2009, 01:37 AM

Wow what a d'bag

gosensgo101

07-11-2009, 01:38 AM

I'm talking about that Metsguy. He's mad at me for being an all-star.You really should specify when using a common name like Michael. :p

Brandon Inge

07-11-2009, 01:39 AM

Wow what a d'bag

I know. How is his rep around here? Is he one of those fat kids? Is he one of those nerds who act tough on the internet? I want to get a idea of what I'm dealing with.

Brandon Inge

07-11-2009, 01:40 AM

You really should specify when using a common name like Michael. :p

My bad.

HoustonGM

07-11-2009, 02:47 AM

He did in Japan (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/s/ichiro-suzuki.shtml). Granted, it's two different styles of baseball and the caliber is different, but the rest of his game sure hasn't suffered from his Japanese baseball playing days.
The Japan ballparks are way smaller. Look at every Japanese hitter that came over to America. They ALL lost a significant amount of home runs.

asianinvasion

07-11-2009, 03:21 AM

The Japan ballparks are way smaller. Look at every Japanese hitter that came over to America. They ALL lost a significant amount of home runs.

Their ball parks aren't that much smaller

Nagoya Dome: 328 ft down the lines, 400 ft in center. 16ft fence
Koshien Stadium (Japan's Old Yankee Stadium): 315 ft down lines, 390 ft power alleys, 394 ft center
Yokohama Stadium: 308 ft down the lines 384 ft to center.
Tokyo Dome: 328 ft down the lines, 400 ft in center.
Chiba Marine Stadium: 326 ft down the line, 400 in center
Fukoka Dome: 328 ft/326 corners, 400 in center
Sapporo Dome: 328ft corners, 400 ft in center
Miyagi Baseball Stadium: 333 ft corners 400 ft center
Seibu Dome: 328 ft corners 400 ft center
Osaka Dome: 328 ft corners 400 ft center
Skymark Stadium: 325 ft corners, 400 ft center
Meiji Jingu Stadium: 331 ft corners, 394 ft center
Mazda Stadium: 331/328 corners, 400 ft center

So only one stadium (Yokohama) is alot smaller than the rest. Just to let you know, 328 ft is common because it is 100 meters.

haveacigar

07-11-2009, 04:22 AM

The big difference is CF. There are a lot of MLB parks with CFs that go 400+, which also leads to shorter alleys.

HoustonGM

07-11-2009, 04:46 AM

Point stands. Every Japanese hitter that has came to America has lost a significant number of home runs.

Brandon Inge

07-11-2009, 08:22 PM

Gotta bump my thread.

200tang

07-11-2009, 08:59 PM

Point stands. Every Japanese hitter that has came to America has lost a significant number of home runs.

Ichiro is cool, therefore making your point invalid. Also, my gf > your gf that you don't have. :)

metsguy234

07-12-2009, 02:10 AM

You know what, I'll admit it. I was being immature because the person who I felt was most deserving didn't make the All Star Game. Inge is an acceptable All Star, I guess, though I have him nowhere near my AL All-Star team.

SirKodiak

07-13-2009, 03:41 PM

Inge is interesting this year. Historically, he hits much better in the first half, and hits much better when not catching...

For his career, he swings at 20.2% of pitches outside the zone and makes contact 49.3% of the time.
This year, he is swinging at 24.3% of pitches outside the zone and making contact 52.1% of the time.

For his career, he swings at 64.3% of pitches in the zone and makes contact 82.9% of the time.
This year, he is swinging at 63.8% of pitches in the zone and making contact 80.5% of the time.

2009: LD 15.3% | GB 40.0% | FB 44.7% | 21.9% HR/FB | 11.6% IFH% | 11.5% IFFB%
Career: LD 18.0% | GB 39.8% | FB 42.2% | 10.9% HR/FB | 7.2% IFH% | 9.0% IFFB%

He is hitting the fastball, slider, cutter, splitter, and knuckler better this year, but the curve and change worse. He is being thrown a lot less fastballs too.

haveacigar

07-13-2009, 05:04 PM

It's crazy, because apparently he's actually less selective at the plate, but he's fouling off more pitches. The big difference I see though is he's just hitting the ball a lot harder and getting more balls out of the infield.

The overall conclusion I'd make is that his strike zone recognition hasn't changed, but his coordination has because he's seeing the ball much better. That explains the better contact and more line drives. He adjusted his swing going into the season, so that's probably a big part of it. The fewer fastballs thrown is just scouting, because you'd have to be an idiot to throw Inge a bunch of fastballs. Valverde tried to sneak a belt high fastball past him a couple weeks ago, and he crushed it.