MLB Talk III

[BINGLEBOP]

The third generation thread.

:cool:

[Jeffy25]

sean casey just complemented Vernon Wells's hard work

[metsguy234]

sean casey just complemented Vernon Wells's hard work

Because he robbed a HR.

[Jeffy25]

it wasn't a robbed home run....and casey said that you gotta love all the hard work that Wells puts in....it could be true, I don't follow the blue jays on a nightly basis....but does he really put in all the effort that awards him his 100 plus million dollar deal?

[metsguy234]

"It shouldn't be an error, because he gave lots of effort"

-Nationals broadcaster just now

[gosensgo101]

it wasn't a robbed home run....and casey said that you gotta love all the hard work that Wells puts in....it could be true, I don't follow the blue jays on a nightly basis....but does he really put in all the effort that awards him his 100 plus million dollar deal?Wells is a good fielder, and does put effort into his glovework, but he pops up nearly every goddamn at bat. And if he doesn't pop up, he hits into a double play. He also has the wheels to steal more than he does, but he doesn't put effort into stealing. His one downfall (physically) is that he doesn't get good contact. He almost never gets good contact on the ball, every pitch he either pops up foul, pops up or swings and misses. A fly ball to the outfield is a blessing from him.

[gosensgo101]

"It shouldn't be an error, because he gave lots of effort"

-Nationals broadcaster just nowThat can be true. If you're attempting a diving catch and you just miss (ie you trap it or it hits off the heal of your glove) you shouldn't be punished with an error because you actually gave the effort instead of mailing it in.

[Jeffy25]

could it be mental?

[gosensgo101]

could it be mental?He's hitting .290 on the road and under .200 at home. There's no way playing at Rogers Centre lowers your batting average by 100 points, no question its mental.

[metsguy234]

That can be true. If you're attempting a diving catch and you just miss (ie you trap it or it hits off the heal of your glove) you shouldn't be punished with an error because you actually gave the effort instead of mailing it in.

Here was the situation:

Pop up, in foul ground, 1B/2B/RF all go in for it, RF somehow makes it over there, but it bounces out of his glove.

[metsguy234]

http://www.brooklynmetfan.com/mexisms.php

lmao:



265. Watching monitor in the booth:
Gary: “All I know is the feed from the Florida game has a Just For Men commercial on it right now”
Mex: “There’s Emmit! He looks much better doesn’t he?”

[gosensgo101]

Here was the situation:

Pop up, in foul ground, 1B/2B/RF all go in for it, RF somehow makes it over there, but it bounces out of his glove.If he somehow made it over there, then its a play that did require lots of effort, and I don't think it should be an error.

[Coach Owens]

Wells is a good fielder, and does put effort into his glovework, but he pops up nearly every goddamn at bat. And if he doesn't pop up, he hits into a double play. He also has the wheels to steal more than he does, but he doesn't put effort into stealing. His one downfall (physically) is that he doesn't get good contact. He almost never gets good contact on the ball, every pitch he either pops up foul, pops up or swings and misses. A fly ball to the outfield is a blessing from him.

Ummmm...what? Surely you mean that he's good at not dropping the ball, right? Because a -20.1 UZR is 101 games is absolutely horrible. In fact, he's the worst fielding center fielder in baseball.

[200tang]

Wells is a good fielder

not to nitpick, but Wells has been horrendously bad both this year and last year.

UZR puts him at -14.3 last year and -20.2 this year.

The fielding bible put him at -7 runs last year and had this to say


Wells is a former Gold Glove center fielder coming off a down year for him. He gets good jumps and has speed, as well as experience. His throwing arm is better than the typical center fielder's. He makes quite a few plays diving or sliding on balls in front of him, but he can also get back to the wall for deep drives. Wells will occasionally slide for a ball when he doesn't need to.

If I could see his +/- this year, I'm guessing it would agree with UZR that he is absolutely terrible in the OF. I think we're seeing another Andruw Jones.

[metsguy234]

Wells is a former gold glove winner. He's a good fielder.

[metsguy234]

What does UZR even mean

[200tang]

Wells is a former gold glove winner. He's a good fielder.

K, thanks for your input.

[HoustonGM]

Wells is a former gold glove winner. He's a good fielder.
Winning a Gold Glove != being a good fielder.

It is also possible to have ONCE been a good fielder and now no longer be, as is the case with Vernon Wells.

[metsguy234]

K, thanks for your input.

You're welcome.

[Coach Owens]

not to nitpick, but Wells has been horrendously bad both this year and last year.

UZR puts him at -14.3 last year and -20.2 this year.

The fielding bible put him at -7 runs last year and had this to say



If I could see his +/- this year, I'm guessing it would agree with UZR that he is absolutely terrible in the OF. I think we're seeing another Andruw Jones.

Ha! Beat ya to it!!!! :p

[HoustonGM]

What does UZR even mean
Ultimate Zone Rating

[200tang]

What does UZR even mean

United ZebRa

[200tang]

Ha! Beat ya to it!!!! :p

I know :(

[metsguy234]

Ultimate Zone Rating

What does that mean?

[Coach Owens]

Winning a Gold Glove != being a good fielder.

This. Derek Jeter won a GG in 2005 despite posting having a UZR of -14.3.

[HoustonGM]

What does that mean?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/uzr-on-fangraphs
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primate_studies/discussion/lichtman_2003-03-14_0/
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primate_studies/discussion/lichtman_2003-03-21_0/

[200tang]

Willie Bloomquist is so cool.

[metsguy234]

The fake umpires always behind home plate in Toronto are the most lame, annoying fans I've ever seen. Not funny at all.

[ragecage]

UZR basically is the term used when you dont miss in beer pong.

[200tang]

The fake umpires always behind home plate in Toronto are the most lame, annoying fans I've ever seen. Not funny at all.

They're okay, but yeah they aren't that great.

[Coach Owens]

Willie Bloomquist is so cool.

Where's his tutu?!?! :(

[200tang]

UZR basically is the term used when you dont miss in beer pong.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25913&d=1249521110

[haveacigar]

What does that mean?

It's the fielding measurement that real baseball people use, instead of unreliable error/fielding % measurements.

[HoustonGM]

Justin Upton grabbed his leg while stealing and stopped running halfway to second. This doesn't look good :(

[ewing6]

It's the fielding measurement that real baseball people use, instead of unreliable error/fielding % measurements.

metsguy is a fake baseball people :eek:

[metsguy234]

It's the fielding measurement that real baseball people use, instead of unreliable error/fielding % measurements.

Stop with your SABR elitism.

[200tang]

It's the fielding measurement that nerds use, instead of unreliable error/fielding % measurements.

fixed.

[200tang]

Justin Upton grabbed his leg while stealing and stopped running halfway to second. This doesn't look good :(

is your fantasy team name still the JustinUptons? Even though you don't even have him on your team...

[metsguy234]

Justin Upton grabbed his leg while stealing and stopped running halfway to second. This doesn't look good :(

Your fantasy teams will suffer. Again.

[HoustonGM]

Stop with your SABR elitism.
It's not elitist to be smart and not stuck in 1940.

[Coach Owens]

fixed.

Hey, I'd rather be a nerd than an idiot anyday! :D :p

[HoustonGM]

is your fantasy team name still the JustinUptons? Even though you don't even have him on your team...
Yes.


Your fantasy teams will suffer. Again.
Eh. I'm in 1st in four leagues, 2nd in two and 3rd in two. I'm in good shape with or without TJU.

[ragecage]

Yes.


Eh. I'm in 1st in four leagues, 2nd in two and 3rd in two. I'm in good shape with or without TJU.

4th is the best I can do, dam pitchers cant win a game. :(

[gosensgo101]

The fake umpires always behind home plate in Toronto are the most lame, annoying fans I've ever seen. Not funny at all.They were funny the first few times, but the novelty has since worn off.

[ragecage]

4th is the best I can do, dam pitchers cant win a game. :(

not bad for my 1st year playing though right?

[haveacigar]

Stop with your SABR elitism.

I will once you stop failing to recognize new and better things.

[metsguy234]

It's not elitist to be smart and not stuck in 1940.

Saying "real baseball people" use SABR stats is elitist.

[ragecage]

here we go again

[HoustonGM]

Saying "real baseball people" use SABR stats is elitist.
No, it's not. It's a fact. People who seriously evaluate baseball players use UZR and other advanced defensive stats when evaluating defense. They don't use fielding percentage.

[haveacigar]

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25913&d=1249521110

I don't get the joke :(:o

[metsguy234]

I will once you stop failing to recognize new and better things.

Something being new doesn't necessarily make it better.

[haveacigar]

Saying "real baseball people" use SABR stats is elitist.

By "Real baseball people," I meant people who are paid to analyze baseball. I don't consider myself a real baseball person either.

[haveacigar]

Something being new doesn't necessarily make it better.

No, but in this case it is.

[HoustonGM]

Something being new doesn't necessarily make it better.
That's not what he said.

[ragecage]

I don't get the joke :(:o

wait until ur 21. You should get it by then. ;)

[ewing6]

That's not what he said.

i see

[200tang]

I don't get the joke :(:o

lol, in one of the other threads they were posting smilies. I just felt like using one :|

[200tang]

That's not what he said.

That's what she said!

[200tang]

I can't tell if Lucas French is pitching better than Jarrod did in their debuts. Either way, JARROD WASHBURN V2.0, BUT YOUNGER! :p

[metsguy234]

No, but in this case it is.

IYO it is.

[HoustonGM]

IYO it is.
No. It is. UZR, +/-, hell, even FRAA, are all better than fielding percentage.

[metsguy234]

No. It is. UZR, +/-, hell, even FRAA, are all better than fielding percentage.

To you they are.

[200tang]

To you they are.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/200tang/1245879542173.jpg

[HoustonGM]

Sorry, no. As much as you want that to be the case, it's not. You may not like them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are much better for evaluating defense.

[metsguy234]

Sorry, no. As much as you want that to be the case, it's not. You may not like them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are much better for evaluating defense.

OK, I'd like to see the infallible absolutely correct ordered list of each fielding stat based on their effectiveness.

[HoustonGM]

:rolleyes:

[200tang]

OK, I'd like to see the infallible absolutely correct ordered list of each fielding stat based on their effectiveness.

Uhh, do any stats have an order of effectiveness?

[metsguy234]

:rolleyes:

Is it too much to ask for a list? You obviously know the ranking of all the stats.

[haveacigar]

wait until ur 21. You should get it by then. ;)

Dude, that's the problem. I'm in college. I play beer pong all the time. That's why I'm so frustrated that I don't get it.

[HoustonGM]

Is it too much to ask for a list? You obviously know the ranking of all the stats.
No, there's no such thing. You don't need an exact ranking of each and every stat to know that advanced defensive play-by-play metrics are better than friggen' fielding percentage.

[ragecage]

Dude, that's the problem. I'm in college. I play beer pong all the time. That's why I'm so frustrated that I don't get it.

oh lol. I was just making a funny, I dont use that term while playing. :p

[metsguy234]

Dude, that's the problem. I'm in college. I play beer pong all the time. That's why I'm so frustrated that I don't get it.


lol, in one of the other threads they were posting smilies. I just felt like using one :|

.

[metsguy234]

No, there's no such thing. You don't need an exact ranking of each and every stat to know that advanced defensive play-by-play metrics are better than friggen' fielding percentage.

Well fielding percentage is all I'm used to using and I don't want to leave my comfort zone.

[haveacigar]

Well fielding percentage is all I'm used to using and I don't want to leave my comfort zone.

That's a really sad way to go through life. You should be eager to learn new things.

[metsguy234]

That's a really sad way to go through life. You should be eager to learn new things.
I don't like leaving my comfort zone.

[HoustonGM]

Well fielding percentage is all I'm used to using and I don't want to leave my comfort zone.
That's fine. Just make sure to be comfortable with being wrong.

[metsguy234]

That's fine. Just make sure to be comfortable with being wrong.

If that's what you need to do to be right then I dont want to be right.

[haveacigar]

Hopefully, Metsguy, you will grow up and learn to appreciate new knowledge. And I do mean that with 100% sincerity.

[HoustonGM]

If that's what you need to do to be right then I dont want to be right.
I don't know what that means. If you're content with refusing to learn new things, that's fine, but you're going to more often than not wind up being wrong about things since you refuse to progress your knowledge.

[gosensgo101]

I don't like leaving my comfort zone.Your comfort zone of fielding stats?

[metsguy234]

Harold Reynolds says that Thompson didn't intentionally hit Wright, because Yadi didn't block him from the pitcher.

[metsguy234]

Your comfort zone of fielding stats?

I don't like learning complicated, confusing new stats.

[HoustonGM]

See? THIS is what former players are good for analyzing - in-game situations. MLB Network just had Harold Reynolds break down the Mota/Fielder HBP from last night and show how you can tell that it was on purpose, breaking down Russell Martin's actions and such. This is what they need to confide former player's to analyzing, because this is their strength. They need to hire actual baseball analysts to analyze players and teams and moves, while complementing them with former players for the in-game analysis, rather than use the former players for everything, making them look like geniuses half the time and idiots the rest of the time.

[HoustonGM]

Harold Reynolds says that Thompson didn't intentionally hit Wright, because Yadi didn't block him from the pitcher.
That is NOT what he said. They didn't even TALK about the Mets game. What the hell?

[200tang]

That is NOT what he said. They didn't even TALK about the Mets game. What the hell?

lol

[metsguy234]

That is NOT what he said. They didn't even TALK about the Mets game. What the hell?

They mentioned it. They showed the Pujols and Wright AB and said they both were unintentional.

[HoustonGM]

They mentioned it. They showed the Pujols and Wright AB and said they both were unintentional.
I don't recall that at all. Maybe I missed it.

[metsguy234]

I don't recall that at all. Maybe I missed it.

They talked about it just before they talked about the Manny/Fielder HBPs.

[200tang]

how did this thread get so big so quick?

[gosensgo101]

how did this thread get so big so quick?
Because of this guy:
They talked about it just before they talked about the Manny/Fielder HBPs.

[Coach Owens]

**** Princess Willie!

[200tang]

**** Princess Willie!

Don't insult Big Willie!

http://www.muzikalmafia.com/images/big-willie-style1.jpg

nanananananana!

[Coach Owens]

Don't insult Big Willie!

http://www.muzikalmafia.com/images/big-willie-style1.jpg

nanananananana!

You know who I'm referring to! :mad:

[TheBest21]

Listening to Vin Scully right now on the Dodgers broadcast. I don't follow them that much but he's one of the better play-by-play voices. Just now when Fielder stole second he said, "Hudson could probably feel the steps of Fielder on the ground as they probably registered on the Richter Scale.

[HoustonGM]

Listening to Vin Scully right now on the Dodgers broadcast. I don't follow them that much but he's one of the better play-by-play voices. Just now when Fielder stole second he said, "Hudson could probably feel the steps of Fielder on the ground as they probably registered on the Richter Scale.
Yeah, I mentioned that to 200tang on AIM. :)

[rogue9]

You know, I don't think Metsguy is really as dumb as you guys think he is. I think he is just baiting you guys, and you guys fall for it every freaking time. Ruining every freaking thread.

[RickD]

The fake umpires always behind home plate in Toronto are the most lame, annoying fans I've ever seen. Not funny at all.

That I agree with!

[200tang]

Jack Hannahan in to play half an inning of SS! Yay! Hopefully he can pick up the position and be valuable to us for awhile.

[gosensgo101]

Jack Hannahan in to play half an inning of SS! Yay! Hopefully he can pick up the position and be valuable to us for awhile.Or, its already looking like Woodward should've been kept instead of Hannahan.

[200tang]

Or, its already looking like Woodward should've been kept instead of Hannahan.

why? :confused:

Jack Hannahan has a career +22 UZR/150 at 3B. I'm fairly confident he can play SS with his range. The only thing he needs to work on is getting used to the position.

[SirKodiak]

how did this thread get so big so quick?

While PersonA.online==true

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[200tang]

While PersonA.online==true

PersonA troll.s
PersonB troll.feed
Person(random) troll.feed

:)

[Coach Owens]

Don't look now, 200tang, but we play the Rays this weekend while the Red Sox play the Yankees and the Rangers play the Angels! This could get exciting!!

[asianinvasion]

So...Bedard's rehab was stopped indefinably so he prolly won't be traded before August 31st. :( So for for Jones, Sherrill, Tillman, Mickollo and Butler, we get about one full year of Bedard :mad: Damn you Bill Bavasi

[Coach Owens]

So...Bedard's rehab was stopped indefinably so he prolly won't be traded before August 31st. :sad: So for for Jones, Sherrill, Tillman, Mickollo and Butler, we get about one full year of Bedard :mad: Damn you Bill Bavasi

Don't worry. We've already fleeced one team (for Gutz), we can certainly do it to others.

[asianinvasion]

Don't forget Betancourt

[asianinvasion]

Still can't believe that Betancourt walked today

[metsguy234]

TJU= strained obby

[metsguy234]

Still can't believe that Betancourt walked today

So did Frenchy.

[asianinvasion]

What's/Who's TJU?

[metsguy234]

What's/Who's TJU?

The Justin Upton (HGM would get it)

[asianinvasion]

Ah, Ok

[asianinvasion]

Looks like MLB banned the Spartan helmets from the Mariners bullpen. Don't they have more important things to do than that?

[200tang]

Looks like MLB banned the Spartan helmets from the Mariners dugout. Don't they have more important things to do than that?

Yeah, they need to fine Denard Span some more for having long pants.

[gRYFYN1]

Yeah, they need to fine Denard Span some more for having long pants.

Fine the Mets for "excessive player injuries" ?

[haveacigar]

They should fine Luke French for walking YB.

[haveacigar]

Btw, is anyone doing that Beat The Streak contest on MLB.com?

[OregonDuck1989]

My friend got me tickets to Rockies-Cubs on friday.

Big Z vs. Ubaldo should be a good game.

[metsguy234]

Yay Anderson Hernandez :rolleyes:

[200tang]

Btw, is anyone doing that Beat The Streak contest on MLB.com?

no, but you should choose Ichiro again.

I wonder who the most picked player is in that game. I would guess Ichiro, but who knows.

[haveacigar]

no, but you should choose Ichiro again.

I wonder who the most picked player is in that game. I would guess Ichiro, but who knows.

Derek Jeter, probably. The last 40 game streak just ended because the dude picked Derek Jeter against Roy Halladay :rolleyes:

I had Joe Mauer in one streak and Han-Ram in another. All good today.

[asianinvasion]

Um, WTF...Selig is a douchebag


1:25pm: Baseball America's Jim Callis hears that the Braves had agreed to a deal with Minor before the draft, but didn't sign him right away because of "interference from MLB." Apparently the commissioner's office pressured the Braves not to make the deal official because they didn't want it to inflate other bonuses. The $2.42MM bonus Minor will receive tops MLB's recommended bonus by $242k.

So Minor misses about 2 months of PT because Selig wouldn't let the deal through.

[HoustonGM]

Yep. It's pathetic.

[OregonDuck1989]

God damn you Cliff Lee

[haveacigar]

I really don't understand why anyone puts up with this clown.

[asianinvasion]

So if the M's sweep the Royals and Rays over the weekend and the Yankees sweep the Red Sox and the Angels sweep the Rangers (something that can very well happen), we would be 2.5 games back in the Wild Card and leap frog Texas in the standings.

[metsguy234]

What Omar is trying to accomplish:

http://img338.yfrog.com/img338/7913/sl7.jpg

[OldFatGuy]

Ok, somebody's gonna have to pinch me. I know this is a dream.

I mean, 4 wins in a row???? Nah, I had to be dreaming. So today, I crank on the TV and by the top of the second inning the Nats are down 6-0. Ok, reality is back. So I go for my walk.

I decide to do a long one today (I've been doing badly lately), so I walk for about an hour, don't know how far that was, just know it was further than I have before.

So I walk back in, decide to turn on the TV and see the carnage, and.............

and it's tied up 8-8 :eek:

WTF????

THEN, TO TOP IT OFF, the Nats score 4 in the bottom of the 8th to WIN THE GAME 12-8 ! ! ! ! FIVE IN A ROW ! ! ! SWEEEP THE MARLINS????? REALLY, THE MARLINS??? And come from a 6 run deficit to boot????

No way. NO WAY. I'm sure this is a dream. I'm sure it isn't real, and so I'm sure I didn't also walk for an hour.



Guess I better go on my real walk now.

Dammit, I'm already tired????

[metsguy234]

Ok, somebody's gonna have to pinch me. I know this is a dream.

I mean, 4 wins in a row???? Nah, I had to be dreaming. So today, I crank on the TV and by the top of the second inning the Nats are down 6-0. Ok, reality is back. So I go for my walk.

I decide to do a long one today (I've been doing badly lately), so I walk for about an hour, don't know how far that was, just know it was further than I have before.

So I walk back in, decide to turn on the TV and see the carnage, and.............

and it's tied up 8-8 :eek:

WTF????

THEN, TO TOP IT OFF, the Nats score 4 in the bottom of the 8th to WIN THE GAME 12-8 ! ! ! ! FIVE IN A ROW ! ! ! SWEEEP THE MARLINS????? REALLY, THE MARLINS??? And come from a 6 run deficit to boot????

No way. NO WAY. I'm sure this is a dream. I'm sure it isn't real, and so I'm sure I didn't also walk for an hour.



Guess I better go on my real walk now.

Dammit, I'm already tired????
Here come the Nationals! :rolleyes:

[200tang]

Ok, somebody's gonna have to pinch me. I know this is a dream.

I mean, 4 wins in a row???? Nah, I had to be dreaming. So today, I crank on the TV and by the top of the second inning the Nats are down 6-0. Ok, reality is back. So I go for my walk.

I decide to do a long one today (I've been doing badly lately), so I walk for about an hour, don't know how far that was, just know it was further than I have before.

So I walk back in, decide to turn on the TV and see the carnage, and.............

and it's tied up 8-8 :eek:

WTF????

THEN, TO TOP IT OFF, the Nats score 4 in the bottom of the 8th to WIN THE GAME 12-8 ! ! ! ! FIVE IN A ROW ! ! ! SWEEEP THE MARLINS????? REALLY, THE MARLINS??? And come from a 6 run deficit to boot????

No way. NO WAY. I'm sure this is a dream. I'm sure it isn't real, and so I'm sure I didn't also walk for an hour.



Guess I better go on my real walk now.

Dammit, I'm already tired????



Bryce Harper could very well end up in the AL Central.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/washington-not-the-worst

[filihok]

Ok, somebody's gonna have to pinch me. I know this is a dream.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/washington-not-the-worst



Everyone knows the Washington Nationals are the worst team in baseball, right? They are the only club around with less than 40 wins on the season, and they’ve been the brunt of every joke about baseball for the last few years. However, right now, they might just be putting a better team on the field than the Kansas City Royals.

The reversal of fortune for these two clubs have actually given the Royals a decent chance at passing the Nationals for the worst record in baseball. They are 5 1/2 games ahead of the Nationals in the standings, but if they keep playing .295 baseball like they have for the last two months, they’ll finish with a record of 57-105. The Nationals, if they keep playing at the .419 clip they’ve put up since Morgan arrived, would finish with a 58-104 record.

[skudplayr]

Thank you Nationals. Phils now have a 7 game lead in the NL East.

[200tang]

beat you fili :p

[OregonDuck1989]

Poor Royals.

[ragecage]

If the Royals do indeed finish with a worse record than the Nats, I dont see how Hillman wont be fired.

[asianinvasion]

Or Dayton Moore. Not all the blame can be put on Hillman. Some of it can because of the way he manages but Moore is the one who choose the players. Its Moore's fault that no one can get on base. They both should be fired.

[asianinvasion]

What Omar is trying to accomplish:

http://img338.yfrog.com/img338/7913/sl7.jpg

We'll trade you Beltre and Batista for Wright :p

[OregonDuck1989]

Or Dayton Moore. Not all the blame can be put on Hillman. Some of it can because of the way he manages but Moore is the one who choose the players. Its Moore's fault that no one can get on base. They both should be fired.

Everyone in the city of Kansas City should be fired because of what the Royals are!

[200tang]

Poor Royals.

Sort of. They should be able to grab Bryce Harper in the event they finish last and they need a catcher so that would be nice. They've also got a good rotation and okay bullpen.

Looking at them now they already have the following :

1B
DH
3B
Rotation
Bullpen
C (if they do draft Harper and they decide he can stick)


The OF shouldn't be terribly hard to fix, it's the MI positions that will give them the most trouble (If they decide they want to keep Teahan he could move to a corner OF or possibly 2B, but they really should trade him).

Fix the FO and get to work on fixing that defense & offense!

[filihok]

beat you fili :p

Because I took the time to post a quote and address it specifically to OFG ;)

[asianinvasion]

http://jorgesaysno.blogspot.com/2009/08/crazy-contract-clauses.html
Weirdest contract clause.

[asianinvasion]

How do you lose Bartolo Colon (http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/08/have_you_seen_this_man.html) again? Just ask NASA to borrow the Hubble for a hour, shouldn't be hard to find him

[PotatoOfCouch13]

Anyone else watching the Sox-Yanks? Posada would've been safe easily if he had just slid...

[OregonDuck1989]

This is the one time of the year I think Sox-Yanks games should be on a microscope. The April, May, June games aren't that big of a deal.

[OregonDuck1989]

Youkilis in left is interesting. But, you got bats, better use em.

[PotatoOfCouch13]

You mean there are other teams in baseball? :D

Kidding aside, I agree with you. With the division this close especially with 2 months to go, this is the only time that the national media should treat this as anything more than a regular series

Pedroia with the homer, assist to the wind tunnel. Sox lead 1-0

[200tang]

This is the one time of the year I think Sox-Yanks games should be on a microscope. The April, May, June games aren't that big of a deal.

why aren't they a big deal?

[PotatoOfCouch13]

Youkilis in left is interesting. But, you got bats, better use em.

I seem to recall him playing left in a game that I attended a few years ago; heading the baseballreference to check it out

EDIT: Yep, 18 games (17 starts) in LF, all in 2006. Props for stepping up, though

[OregonDuck1989]

why aren't they a big deal?

Well, in terms of a game they are as they count the same but in terms of FOX and ESPN putting them under a microscope as if they are larger then life games on April 15th it's kind of overkill, imo.

[200tang]

Well, in terms of a game they are as they count the same but in terms of FOX and ESPN putting them under a microscope as if they are larger then life games on April 15th it's kind of overkill, imo.

Well, I agree that they put way to many Red Sox / Yankee games on national tv, but at the same time it isn't like any other games have more importance to them.

[metsguy234]

****in Damon

[gRYFYN1]

I seem to recall him playing left in a game that I attended a few years ago; heading the baseballreference to check it out

EDIT: Yep, 18 games (17 starts) in LF, all in 2006. Props for stepping up, though

Youkilis theory on prepping for LF:

Youkilis said. “Try to catch the fly balls.”

and

“Best-case scenario, nothing gets hit to me,” Youkilis said.

[KowboyKoop]

Sort of. They should be able to grab Bryce Harper in the event they finish last and they need a catcher so that would be nice. They've also got a good rotation and okay bullpen.

Looking at them now they already have the following :

1B
DH
3B
Rotation
Bullpen
C (if they do draft Harper and they decide he can stick)


The OF shouldn't be terribly hard to fix, it's the MI positions that will give them the most trouble (If they decide they want to keep Teahan he could move to a corner OF or possibly 2B, but they really should trade him).

Fix the FO and get to work on fixing that defense & offense!

Who is our DH you are counting on??

Bullpen..the pen has been ATROCIOUS!!! The Royals do have some nice potential arms coming thru the minors that could be here very soon..but that's IF DM actually gives them a chance.

The Royals aren't in need of being completely blown up..they just need to get rid of several turds and actually give some younger guys a chance..but given the way DM thinks....we'll have Willy Tavares leading off next year and will sign three more old "veterans" with "experience.

[Jeffy25]

i'm sorry, but watching the yankees and red sox game....it doesn't even feel like baseball to me.....it seems too watered down by the thousands of other factors.....not a fan of watching this.

[SirKodiak]

Well, I agree that they put way to many Red Sox / Yankee games on national tv, but at the same time it isn't like any other games have more importance to them.

Season leverage index (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/season-leverage-index/) is higher :)

[Jeffy25]

hey guys! guess what?


another homer to right field in the yankee game

[OregonDuck1989]

Smoltz is really not doing so well in a Boston uni

[metsguy234]

i'm sorry, but watching the yankees and red sox game....it doesn't even feel like baseball to me.....it seems too watered down by the thousands of other factors.....not a fan of watching this.

Like what?

Rivalries make for very good baseball.

[OregonDuck1989]

If I were a Yankees fan and I had right field season tickets pre-new yankee stadium that would be awesome.

[metsguy234]

Because of that bug that made him awesome I am half-expecting Billy Traber to strike out everyone on 3 pitches.

[gosensgo101]

Green is in at short but he didn't start the game. What happened to Lowrie?

[gosensgo101]

I wonder if someone on the Yankees broadcast team is paid to locate celebrities in the stands.

[200tang]

Who is our DH you are counting on??

Billy Butler

[KowboyKoop]

Billy Butler

??? Then who is the 1B?

[metsguy234]

??? Then who is the 1B?

Jacobs.

[200tang]

??? Then who is the 1B?

Kila Ka'aihue (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kaaihki01.shtml)

[OregonDuck1989]

8 run inning for the Yankees.

[KowboyKoop]

Kila Ka'aihue (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kaaihki01.shtml)

LOL..you must be new to Royals baseball.

Kila is organizational filler in this organization.



Seriously....Kila is not a prospect in DM's eyes. He will never get a significant shot in KC.

Besides...Kila is an absolute butcher with the glove...he'll be a DH someday with another organization. Most likely scenario is Kila being traded for a junk reliever this offseason.

Seriously....if Kila were an actual prospect in DM's eyes, he'd have been called up two months ago.

[gosensgo101]

But, do you trust DM's eyes?

[200tang]

LOL..you must be new to Royals baseball.

Kila is organizational filler in this organization.



Seriously....Kila is not a prospect in DM's eyes. He will never get a significant shot in KC.

Besides...Kila is an absolute butcher with the glove...he'll be a DH someday with another organization. Most likely scenario is Kila being traded for a junk reliever this offseason.

Seriously....if Kila were an actual prospect in DM's eyes, he'd have been called up two months ago.

That's why I said fix the FO first :p And if you want, just switch Butler and Kila's position and you still have a 1B and DH :)

He should have been on your starting day roster over Mike Jacobs. So far this year in AAA he's running a .383 wOBA (.869 OPS) with 40 extra base hits in 425 PA.

[KowboyKoop]

That's why I said fix the FO first :p And if you want, just switch Butler and Kila's position and you still have a 1B and DH :)

He should have been on your starting day roster over Mike Jacobs. So far this year in AAA he's running a .383 wOBA (.869 OPS) with 40 extra base hits in 425 PA.

Oh I agree that it should happen...trust me I know all about Kila and everyone else in the minors....they are the only good part of the team to follow.

However..in the real world, DM ain't going anywhere anytime soon..and Kila is simply filler.

Also..there are some very real concerns that his bat is too slow to ever be a good enough hitter for a DH. Should be a good OBP guy...but probably won't pack enough power for a DH. Maybe if he was just strictly platooned. Nonetheless..he's better than Jacobs.

[Jeffy25]

Like what?

Rivalries make for very good baseball.

this is an overly watered down media sensation surrounded by bad fans. I respect the rivalry, but this doesn't look like baseball.....a poorly pitched game by both starters, tons of power bats and tons of pitches being left in the zone, no one is pitching to protect away from right field. The fans suck...the only good thing......Kaat and Vazqurshian.





that and i hate the DH.

[200tang]

DH Roolz, NL Droolz.

[Jeffy25]

the DH is like having someone else shoot Shaq's free throws - baseball mogul quote :)

[OregonDuck1989]

Vasgersian.

[Jeffy25]

and it takes away from the in depth strategy of the batting order, and having a productive pitcher who can hit, help himself win a game.....i don't see why you wouldn't have all 9 players capable of batting.

[Jeffy25]

joba chamberlin looks like a leprechaun

[200tang]

and it takes away from the in depth strategy of the batting order, and having a productive pitcher who can hit, help himself win a game.....i don't see why you wouldn't have all 9 players capable of batting.

Eh, I was kidding. I don't think the DH changes anything in the game. The only real argument I hear about the DH is that it takes away from strategy, but I rarely see managers do anything 'inventive' with it. They usually just play it by the book, which they should. Liking or not liking the DH is a matter of opinion, but it doesn't change the game of baseball in any way.

[OregonDuck1989]

and it takes away from the in depth strategy of the batting order, and having a productive pitcher who can hit, help himself win a game.....i don't see why you wouldn't have all 9 players capable of batting.


But Jeffy, it increases runs and therefore increases ticket sales

nl rules!

number 1

[Jeffy25]

But Jeffy, it increases runs and therefore increases ticket sales!

haha, sure ;)

[Jeffy25]

Eh, I was kidding. I don't think the DH changes anything in the game. The only real argument I hear about the DH is that it takes away from strategy, but I rarely see managers do anything 'inventive' with it. They usually just play it by the book, which they should. Liking or not liking the DH is a matter of opinion, but it doesn't change the game of baseball in any way.

this is true, but i don't like it....but then again, i grew up aroudn no DH's in the N.L. and prefer as such.

[OregonDuck1989]

haha, sure ;)

:D

I personally don't care either way, the DH or not, it's still baseball.

But yeah, I'd prefer everyone have NL rules.

[200tang]

Michael Saunders is a lot of fun to watch.

[gosensgo101]

I grew (am growing) up in the AL, but I still prefer NL rules.

[200tang]

Why did Jose Lopez just swing at that? And somehow he got above it and grounded it in to a DP...

You have Bruce Chen on the mound worrying about Ichiro and his first pitch was nowhere near the strikezone, so you swing at the second pitch that's nowhere near the strikezone..

[metsguy234]

this is an overly watered down media sensation surrounded by bad fans. I respect the rivalry, but this doesn't look like baseball.....a poorly pitched game by both starters, tons of power bats and tons of pitches being left in the zone, no one is pitching to protect away from right field. The fans suck...the only good thing......Kaat and Vazqurshian.





that and i hate the DH.

1) Red Sox and Yankees fans are some of the better fans in baseball.
2) I love poorly pitched games
3) I love power bats

[200tang]

2) I love poorly pitched games


aka Oliver Perez fan. Get off the forums you Olie fan.

[OregonDuck1989]

They keep mentioning how Posada is a triple away from the cycle. It's gonna take some luck for Posada to let one out.

[actionjackson]

These (http://baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/ngGU) are the types of games metsguy likes.

[OregonDuck1989]

Shawn Chacon!

He's from my hometown.

[200tang]

They keep mentioning how Posada is a triple away from the cycle. It's gonna take some luck for Posada to let one out.

Opposite Jinx!

[OregonDuck1989]

Opposite Jinx!

It will probably happen now lol

[SirKodiak]

Yadi has 7 SB and a 3B this year, so Posada can doooooooooooo it.:p

[metsguy234]

Yankees just picked up Chad Gaudin from San Diego.

[metsguy234]

Also: Nats picked up Daryle Ward and Norris Hopper from the White Sox

[metsguy234]

These (http://baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/ngGU) are the types of games metsguy likes.
I prefer games like this
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/RfAf)

[200tang]

I prefer pitchers like this :

http://offtherecordsports.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/oliverperez.jpg



fixed it for you bro.

[gosensgo101]

I prefer games like this
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/RfAf)bleck.

That's all I have to say.

[gosensgo101]

Someone I've never heard of is coming in for the Yanks now.

[200tang]

I wonder who will be better, Jose Tabata or Xavier Nady

[metsguy234]

I've heard of Mark Melancon I win :D

[skudplayr]

Thank you Yankees for winning me 200 bucks.

[gRYFYN1]

fixed it for you bro.

Hes a Mets fan so dosen't he prefer his pitcher like :

[metsguy234]

Hes a Mets fan so dosen't he prefer his pitcher like :

Classy joke there.

[gosensgo101]

I'm contemplating going upstairs to watch the Dodgers game instead of the Yanks/Red Sox game since that game is still 0-0 in the 2nd.

[gosensgo101]

So did he throw at him on purpose?

[gRYFYN1]

So did he throw at him on purpose?

No, Pedroia dives into the plate, he's short to start with and lunges downward, hitting him in the shoulder isn't as bad as it seems.

[gosensgo101]

I was half expecting Pedroia to go in spikes up there.

[metsguy234]

The Padres have a 6-0 lead on us.

The ****ing Padres.

:mad:

[ragecage]

cool story

[metsguy234]

cool story

thx man

[200tang]

thx man

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/200tang/1238992871620.jpg

[metsguy234]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/200tang/1238992871620.jpg

thx all around

[Alloutwar]

Pavano goes to the Twins

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[haveacigar]

Pavano goes to the Twins

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Good move for them. The Tigers can't hit him to save their life.

[HoustonGM]

Guys, the Mets will now win the AL East because this pipedream (http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/07/emailbag-the-mets-path-to-winning-the-nl-east/) is going to happen.

[200tang]

Guys, the Mets will now win the AL East because this pipedream (http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/07/emailbag-the-mets-path-to-winning-the-nl-east/) is going to happen.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/200tang/1238992871620.jpg

I could use this picture on every post!

[Jeffy25]

haha, well i don't obviously see it happening, but there is nothing wrong with a blog writer pointing out how it could be done.

obviously not going to happen.

[HoustonGM]

haha, well i don't obviously see it happening, but there is nothing wrong with a blog writer pointing out how it could be done.

obviously not going to happen.
Yes it will! The Mets are the 2007 Rockies!

[Jeffy25]

;)

[200tang]

ESPN.com's Buster Olney hears that Alex Rios has been claimed on waivers by an unknown team. The Blue Jays now have three choices:

They can let the claiming team have Rios and the $60MM remaining on his contract.
They can pull him back from waivers and keep him.
They can work out a deal with the claiming team.

One executive calls this an "incredible opportunity" for the Blue Jays to shed payroll.


wha.

[Coach Owens]

Yes it will! The Mets are the 2007 Rockies!

Yeah, and the A's are going to come back and win the AL West. :rolleyes: :p ;)

[Coach Owens]

wha.

I hope it was us!

[Jeffy25]

the mets to get rios :) and then go on a historic run to finish the season ;)

[Jeffy25]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/alex-rios-claimed-on-waivers-trade-next.html

[200tang]

I hope it was us!

why would you hope that? The only way that would be okay is if they took on Johjima & Silvas contract. :|

[Coach Owens]

why would you hope that? The only way that would be okay is if they took on Johjima & Silvas contract. :|

He's 28 and, despite his bad play this year, has really excelled with the bat (.365 wOBA in 2006 and .368 wOBA in 2007, .350 wOBA last year) and with the glove (career 13.8 UZR/150 in RF). I'd definitely take a chance on him.

[metsguy234]

Really hope the Mets claimed Rios and we can work out a trade.

[200tang]

He's 28 and, despite his bad play this year, has really excelled with the bat (.365 wOBA in 2006 and .368 wOBA in 2007, .350 wOBA last year) and with the glove (career 13.8 UZR/150 in RF). I'd definitely take a chance on him.

Well we can't afford more salary. Not to mention

Ichiro
Franklin Gutierrez
Michael Saunders

(That right there is our best OF even if Rios comes over, then after it would look like this)

Alex Rios
Endy Chavez
Ryan Langerhans

(then the prospects in no particular order)

Greg Halman
Tyson Giles
Dustin Ackley (not signed yet)


There is no need/room for Rios unless they feel like taking on some salary.

[HoustonGM]

Players being claimed on waivers happens all throughout August, and usually it's not reported. Basically every player gets placed on waivers as procedure. A good amount get claimed and pulled back.

[actionjackson]

Really hope the Mets claimed Rios and we can work out a trade.

Hopefully, Omar gives us one or two of your cheap, decent white guys for the "Puerto Rican Prince". ;)

[200tang]

Well, if the Mariners DO claim him (not saying they will or I think they did) he would give us one of the best backups in the game. Or they could possibly platoon him with Saunders (it's weird, we started out the year with too many RHB and now we don't have any)

[Coach Owens]

Well we can't afford more salary. Not to mention

Ichiro
Franklin Gutierrez
Michael Saunders

(That right there is our best OF even if Rios comes over, then after it would look like this)

Alex Rios
Endy Chavez
Ryan Langerhans

(then the prospects in no particular order)

Greg Halman
Tyson Giles
Dustin Ackley (not signed yet)


There is no need/room for Rios unless they feel like taking on some salary.

I still don't like the risk with Halman. He has a huge chance of never even reaching the majors. Gillies isn't that big of a prospect. The only one who projects well and is still a risk defensively is Ackley. When you have a player like Rios, who was a +5.5 win player last season, sometimes you need to take a chance.

[200tang]

I still don't like the risk with Halman. He has a huge chance of never even reaching the majors. Gillies isn't that big of a prospect. The only one who projects well and is still a risk defensively is Ackley. When you have a player like Rios, who was a +5.5 win player last season, sometimes you need to take a chance.

He's also got 6 years left on a 7 year contract and we have absolutely no need for him. That doesn't include the fact that OFers are getting significantly less in FA. Signing Rios would mean not being able to bring back any players leaving this year and would really cripple us at 1B/DH.

Not to mention that you didn't address the 3 starters in the OF :p. Rios MIGHT be better than Saunders (right now), but is it worth it to be stuck with Rios' contract for 6 years? I don't think so. You don't pay that kind of money to an OF in this economy and certainly not one who may or may not be a starter in a year or two.

[Coach Owens]

He's also got 6 years left on a 7 year contract and we have absolutely no need for him. That doesn't include the fact that OFers are getting significantly less in FA. Signing Rios would mean not being able to bring back any players leaving this year and would really cripple us at 1B/DH.

Not to mention that you didn't address the 3 starters in the OF :p. Rios MIGHT be better than Saunders (right now), but is it worth it to be stuck with Rios' contract for 6 years? I don't think so. You don't pay that kind of money to an OF in this economy and certainly not one who may or may not be a starter in a year or two.

*Sigh* I don't think you understand. :rolleyes: :p

[Jeffy25]

Players being claimed on waivers happens all throughout August, and usually it's not reported. Basically every player gets placed on waivers as procedure. A good amount get claimed and pulled back.

yup....thank you.

[ewing6]

smoltz dfaed

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/red-sox-dfa-john-smoltz.html#comments

[Jeffy25]

that's sad for Smoltz....would be cool if he went back to Atlanta as a reliever and then into the broadcast booth.

[ewing6]

that's sad for Smoltz....would be cool if he went back to Atlanta as a reliever and then into the broadcast booth.

the mets should get him. Glavine worked out well :D

[metsguy234]

FWIW, here is the waiver wire order:

Washington
KC
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
San Diego
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Oakland
Arizona
New York NL
Toronto
Minnesota/Houston (idk how they break ties)
Milwaukee
Atlanta
Florida
Chicago AL
Seattle
Detroit
St. Louis
Chicago NL
Colorado
Tampa Bay/San Francisco (tied)
Texas
Philadelphia
Boston
Anaheim
New York AL
Los Angeles

[gosensgo101]

If JP pulls Rios off of waivers, I will, at the very least, write a strongly worded letter to someone.

[gosensgo101]

Its not the Red Sox or Mets:


4:41pm: Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that the Red Sox didn't claim Rios, either.

4:39pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears from a high-ranking Mets official that the Mets did not claim Rios. J.P. Ricciardi didn't get into specifics with MLB.com's Jordan Bastian and just said it's normal to place players on waivers.

Maybe the White Sox? Maybe the Giants? (they were in talks with the Jays about Rios for Lincecum a few offseasons ago)

[metsguy234]

Surprised it wasn't Omar who put out the claim. This guy has all the tools Omar likes in a player (being Latino)

[Jeffy25]

Giambi was released today.

[Jeffy25]

Carl Pavano is now a Minnesota Twin.

[ragecage]

Giambi was released today.

Batting .194 and being in last place, the news doesnt surprise me.

[gosensgo101]

Surprised it wasn't Omar who put out the claim. This guy has all the tools Omar likes in a player (being Latino)Sure, he grew up in Puerto Rico, but he was born in Alabama. That's a big no-no in Omar's books.

[Jeffy25]

pretty funny..............billy the marlin marching a billy goat out in front of the cubs

[Jeffy25]

FWIW, here is the waiver wire order:

Washington
KC
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
San Diego
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Oakland
Arizona
New York NL
Toronto
Minnesota/Houston (idk how they break ties)
Milwaukee
Atlanta
Florida
Chicago AL
Seattle
Detroit
St. Louis
Chicago NL
Colorado
Tampa Bay/San Francisco (tied)
Texas
Philadelphia
Boston
Anaheim
New York AL
Los Angeles

I do hope that you understand that it goes by league first...

For example. Rios will go through American league teams first....so actually the Royals get first pick

According to the guy whose name i can't remember on MLB tonight, he did not make it to the national league.

[Jeffy25]

Cards should pretty well handle this game....stupid Lugo though, getting picked off.