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HoustonGM
08-12-2009, 01:53 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Arho05BMy0GAWYuiMqb8LWE5nYcB?slug=jp-fangraphs080509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Good stuff using the Pitch F/X data and pitch run values.

metsguy234
08-12-2009, 02:24 PM
That article is a week old.

HoustonGM
08-12-2009, 02:25 PM
Ok.

Wassit3
08-12-2009, 03:07 PM
Ok.

come on HGM obviously that article is talking about the way things USED to be, it's a week old and therefore not pertinent to todays times:rolleyes:

TheNamelessPoet
08-12-2009, 03:14 PM
O_o glad i red this thread 1st... nearly wasted my time with this old garbage :D

Lex Logan
08-12-2009, 06:29 PM
Good read, HGM. I loved the comment about Joey Votto -- no weaknesses. Amazing that Pujols has one (splitters) but I'll bet he solves that. Meanwhile, if you haven't got a splitter, just walk Sir Albert unless it's bases loaded, bottom of the ninth and a tie game. And just don't pitch to Votto unless the bases are empty. With the Reds lineup, why bother? Fortunately for opposing teams, Baker normally puts his two worst hitters in front of Votto (Taveras and Gonzalez) so the other manager won't have to sweat pitching around him.

Jeffy25
08-12-2009, 06:39 PM
i liked reading that, i always wondered why more sinkers and splitters weren't thrown to albert....i mean you can't hang the pitches, but why the hell does he not see more? it always seems like cutters, four seams and slider are thrown to him...and no one wants to accidentally hang him a breaking ball....i realize that is my perception, i didn't bother to look it up....but i always wondered that.


interesting about upton and howard.

boomboom
08-12-2009, 08:57 PM
I read this before, I think fangraphs is great! I can believe that Jarrod Washburns fastball is the best, he always locates his pitches (well this year that is)

Clay Dreslough
08-12-2009, 09:31 PM
In order of effectiveness: changeup, fastball, slider (which – hint, hint, A.J. Pierzynski(notes) – he throws only 2.8 percent of time but to 4.55 runs above per 100 thrown), curveball and cutter.

What does "4.55 runs above" mean? That he allows 4.55 more runs with his slider, per 100 sliders thrown? That would be a weird stat.

Coach Owens
08-12-2009, 09:48 PM
What does "4.55 runs above" mean? That he allows 4.55 more runs with his slider, per 100 sliders thrown? That would be a weird stat.

Not quite. It means that his slider is 4.55 runs (actually, 4.38 according to Fangraphs, but whatever), per 100 pitches.

SirKodiak
08-12-2009, 10:13 PM
What does "4.55 runs above" mean? That he allows 4.55 more runs with his slider, per 100 sliders thrown? That would be a weird stat.

I respond to this with trepidation, as last time I responded you closed the thread. :p


w - The prefix "w" infront of any of the pitch types denotes runs above average.
/C - When the pitch type trails with "/C" it denotes per 100 pitches. wFB/C would be fastball runs above average per 100 fastballs.

These are linear weight runs, and positive is always good. Things are explained here, especially in the comments: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pitch-type-linear-weights

ragecage
08-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Good read

Coach Owens
08-12-2009, 11:06 PM
I respond to this with trepidation, as last time I responded you closed the thread. :p


These are linear weight runs, and positive is always good. Things are explained here, especially in the comments: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pitch-type-linear-weights

Basically what I said, Sir K. ;)

SirKodiak
08-12-2009, 11:45 PM
Not quite. It means that his slider is 4.55 runs above average (actually, 4.38 according to Fangraphs, but whatever), per 100 sliders.

That would basically be the same thing :p

Coach Owens
08-12-2009, 11:52 PM
That would basically be the same thing :p

How'd I leave out above average? Sheesh. That'll teach me to proof-read my posts! :p And I meant 100 sliders, buddy.