Strasburg

[bucher34]

Couldn't find this anywhere, but a reliable guy from another forum I'm in posted this.....


The Nationals offered Strasburg a 4 year 16 million dollar deal, with incentives to push the deal to a max of 25M.

When Boras recieved a copy of the contract he "Laughed, and immediately hung up the phone."

This weekend Interm GM Mike Rizzo and Stan Karsten met with Strasburg himself, who said he just wanted to play baseball, the money didn't matter, but Boras will not let him sign any deal or it will violate Strasburgs contract w/ Boras and Strasburg will owe Boras 50% of any money he earns on his deal.

So in short the Nationals won't be signing Strasburg (Boras demands a 6 year 52Million dollar deal) and Boras will continue to attempt to ruin baseball for all teams out of greed for himself.

In other news, for not signing Strasburg the Nationals will have the 1st overall pick in next seasons draft (Compensation), as well as (in all likelyhood) the #2 overall pick.

Selig needs to nut up and get a rookie slotting system in place now, or the entire fabric of the "draft" will go down the toilet and will again further screw over the smaller market teams.

[HoustonGM]

but Boras will not let him sign any deal or it will violate Strasburgs contract w/ Boras and Strasburg will owe Boras 50% of any money he earns on his deal.
I'd like to see the wording of this "contract." Needless to say, that's absolute rubbish and the player should always be able to overrule the agent because the AGENT WORKS FOR TE PLAYER. If this news is, in fact, true, Strasburg has every right to and SHOULD fire Boras, voiding said contract, and sign on his own.

This, though:

Selig needs to nut up and get a rookie slotting system in place now, or the entire fabric of the "draft" will go down the toilet and will again further screw over the smaller market teams.
doesn't need to be done.

[bucher34]

Yeah, I agree with both your points.

Like I said, I couldn't find this anywhere (still trying), but he's a very reliable and knowledgeable member of the forum so I don't know what to believe, yet.

[Coach Owens]

So can't the MLBPA ban Boras from representing players or something? It just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.

[TheBest21]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4401500

[bucher34]

Yeah I saw that one, just not about his contract stipulations with Boras.

[HoustonGM]

It's a really odd-sounding contract stipulation. I'm not even sure if I understand it.

[SirKodiak]

Q: Does the Association limit the percentage an agent can earn from negotiating a client's salary?
A: Just as the Association endorses a free market system for its players in negotiating contracts with Club owners, the agent fee is negotiated freely between the player and his agent. The only stipulation is that the agent cannot charge a fee unless the player's salary negotiated exceeds the Major League minimum (currently $390,000). If the salary negotiated does exceed the minimum, any fee charged may not, when subtracted from the salary negotiated, produce a net salary to the player below or equal to the minimum salary. Bonuses constitute salary only if earned.

[bucher34]

I'm sure Boras has something of the sort, if not that actual stipulation stated above, simply because Strasburg seems to be the the 'best' prospect to come around in a very long time.

[Arctic Blast]

In that case, it's STILL Strasburg's fault for signing a contract so utterly stupid with an agent in the first place.

[ragecage]

I really dont buy it. If this stipulation is true, I think in given time the player will see this as ridiculous and dump Boras as an agent, which in turn will hurt Boras on future gains. Boras wouldnt put himself in that kind of predicament.

[Jeffy25]

he did with a-rod

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

I find it kind of hard to believe that that stipulation is in his contract. If there was something like that in his contract, and it ended up getting out that it was in there and causing trouble (which if it is true appears to be happening), it would cause Boras more problems than it's probably worth.

Also, just to throw this out there, I think Strasburg will sign. And even if he doesn't I wouldn't be surprised if the Nationals drafted him again next year with one of their (most likely) top two picks and get him signed then. Maybe draft him second overall just to rub it in Boras' face :p.

[bucher34]

Most likely they wouldn't draft him next year if they don't sign him this year.

He would most likely go to the Royals or Padres - like either of those teams have more money than the Nats and wouldn't be able to offer what the Nats are offering, lol. Smart move Boras/Strasburg.

His stock will never be higher than it is right now. He needs to sign the record contract that the Nats are offering him.

[bucher34]

Strasburg rumors, updated (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/stephen-strasburg-rumors-sunday.html)


# Chico Harlan spoke with Ryan Zimmerman who chimed in: "When it comes down to it, Strasburg has to think about, ‘Can I go to bed if I turn down $15, 16 million dollars—whatever it is—to pass up the opportunity to play for these guys?’ That’s a lot of money. I don’t understand what he thinks will be better next year. If we don’t take him, who’s gonna take him next year? Pittsburgh? San Diego? San Diego is not gonna pay him more. Absolutely his leverage will never be higher."


# Thomas Boswell of the Washington Post might agree with Zimmerman. Boz asks, "What team will ever be more over a barrel, or have a richer owner, than the worst-in-baseball-again Nats and multi-billionaire owner Ted Lerner?" In the same piece, he adds, "Signing contracts, not blowing them up, is their job and their responsibility -- the Nats to their franchise and their fans, Boras to his client. If they don't get a deal done, it's a mammoth failure of adult supervision."


My thoughts exactly.

[Vance]

don't you worry my boy. there is a special place in hell for scott boras and his greed mongers that satan has disguised as baseball players.

[Jeffy25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Harrington

Strasburg, read about Matt Harrington, blow Boras off, he is Satan of baseball. Play for love of the game, four years 16 mil is a great offer for a guy who hasn't pitched an inning of pro ball.

[bucher34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Harrington

Strasburg, read about Matt Harrington, blow Boras off, he is Satan of baseball. Play for love of the game, four years 16 mil is a great offer for a guy who hasn't pitched an inning of pro ball.


He could also read about Aaron Crow, look how much his stock has fallen.

[Jeffy25]

i was going to point out Crow and Brien Allen? is that his last name, former top pick

[Walter]

Boras has an obligation to get Strasburg as much money as possible but he's being ridicules. He will not get 50+ million and Strasburg's stock will never be higher. Take what the nats are offering and don't throw away the kids future.

[HoustonGM]

he did with a-rod
Not with this type of contract stipulation.


Also, just to throw this out there, I think Strasburg will sign. And even if he doesn't I wouldn't be surprised if the Nationals drafted him again next year with one of their (most likely) top two picks and get him signed then. Maybe draft him second overall just to rub it in Boras' face :p.
They'd need to get his permission to draft him for a second time.

I, too, think he will sign. It'd be a massive failure on the part of everyone involved if he doesn't.


i was going to point out Crow and Brien Allen? is that his last name, former top pick
Brien Taylor, but I'm not sure what he has to do with it.

[Jeffy25]

didn't Taylor have signing issues and was a number one pick? just what i thought, didn't bother looking it up anywhere.

[rockiesfan4ever]

didn't Taylor have signing issues and was a number one pick? just what i thought, didn't bother looking it up anywhere.

Ya, he held out till the deadline but the big blow was when he tore his labrum while fighting someone

[HoustonGM]

didn't Taylor have signing issues and was a number one pick? just what i thought, didn't bother looking it up anywhere.
He was a number one pick. He's famous for being a highly-touted prospect and one of two #1 picks that never made it to the majors as he blew his arm out in a bar room fight defending his brother.

[Jeffy25]

ah, matt bush turned out well too!

of course, we could go down the list and find many could have been's

[bucher34]

'my guy' claims that....


Boras has that clause in every contract, and likes to remind players that he is the best in the business and has their best interests at heart

[bucher34]

So I guess no client can want their own deal while under contract with Boras, he controls them, which makes sense, but can't he just drop him?

[bucher34]

I didn't think you sign with an agent for multiple years and/or are their property. They are supposed to do what's best for you knowing that they can be dropped at any time. Doesn't sound like this is the case with Boras.....

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

'my guy' claims that....

I officially don't buy that one bit.

[bucher34]

I officially don't buy that one bit.


I've stated at the beginning of this thread that he is a very knowledgeable and informative member of another forum I am in. He hasn't posted any links of the sort just saying he has inside knowledge from somebody.

That's why I'm taking all this with a grain of salt just putting it here for discussion. Wouldn't surprise me that it all could be true.

[HoustonGM]

Again, if all these things are true, Strasburg should fire him right now.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

I don't think there a chance in hell that all these big, established superstars he has signed (A-Rod, Teixeira, etc.) would have that in their contract with him. Absolutely no way whatsoever.

[bucher34]

Again, if all these things are true, Strasburg should fire him right now.


Definitely.


Quote from Adam Dunn courtesy of MLB.com -


"I'm on the fence about it, because the organization is doing everything it possibly can, from what I hear, to sign him and not embarrass him or the organization," first baseman Adam Dunn said. "I heard that they already offered him a record contract. How much more does he need?

[bucher34]

Edited:
"i'm on the fence about it, because the organization is doing everything it possibly can, from what i hear, to sign him and not embarrass him or the organization," first baseman adam dunn said. "i heard that they already offered him a record contract. how much more does boras need?

[bucher34]

All I know, he's got until tomorrow night to sign - I think he will.

[rockiesfan4ever]

Anyone have any news on Maztek? I can't find anything

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

Anyone have any news on Maztek? I can't find anything

This is obviously the thread for that :rolleyes:.

[rockiesfan4ever]

This is obviously the thread for that :rolleyes:.

Well, it's kinda like a draft thread so....

[Jeffy25]

wondering if Miller will sign

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

Well, it's kinda like a draft thread so....

Now it is :p. Regardless, I thought I saw something about him on MLBTR a few days ago, but I can't seem to find it anymore.

[asianinvasion]

Now it is

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?t=197679

[dps]

Again, if all these things are true, Strasburg should fire him right now.

I really have trouble believing that there is a stipulation like that in the contract. If there is, it is really treading a very fine line with regards to professional ethics and conflict of interest.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

I really have trouble believing that there is a stipulation like that in the contract. If there is, it is really treading a very fine line with regards to professional ethics and conflict of interest.

I also question the legality of something like that being in the contract.

[Jeffy25]

well it wouldn't be illegal, it would just be a dumbass move by strasburg if it were true.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

well it wouldn't be illegal, it would just be a dumbass move by strasburg if it were true.

Probably. Maybe the fact that it just strikes me as incredibly immoral for something like that to be in the contract makes it seem illegal to me.

[Vance]

I officially don't buy that one bit.

i agree with this sentiment, i think buchy34's 'guy' is one of these armchair insiders that hear a rumor from a guy that heard a rumor from a guy that heard a rumor from an orangutan.

[bucher34]

i agree with this sentiment, i think buchy34's 'guy' is one of these armchair insiders that hear a rumor from a guy that heard a rumor from a guy that heard a rumor from an orangutan.


Do you understand or realize that I made the statement - at the start of this thread - that he's a reliable, knowledgeable member of another forum I'm in and that I'm taking this with a grain of salt because there is no link or anything of the sort. I just posted it for discussion, not to bash.

no need to be a dick.


Read next time.

[bucher34]

Anyway.....


According to MASN, the Nationals "have a $17 million deal on the table for pitcher Stephen Strasburg."
The deal also includes "easily attainable incentives" that would push the deal to $20 million. Strasburg and agent Scott Boras have thrown around numbers nearing $50 million, so they're likely to push for more cash. The deadline to sign draft picks is Monday at midnight. Aug. 17 - 10:10 am et
Source: MASN

[ragecage]

Do you understand or realize that I made the statement - at the start of this thread - that he's a reliable, knowledgeable member of another forum I'm in and that I'm taking this with a grain of salt because there is no link or anything of the sort. I just posted it for discussion, not to bash.

no need to be a dick.


Read next time.

I think Vance is an alternate of somebody, he just spews garbage when he says something.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

I think Vance is an alternate of somebody

That's what I thought.

[200tang]

That's what I thought.

ditto.

[HoustonGM]

Agreed

[TheNamelessPoet]

Strasburg to the mariners? (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2009677820_stephen_strasburg_to_the_seatt.html?syndication=rss)

now most of us hate Borus because of the whole $ thing BUT... do we think he actualy b unethical?

A great strategy. Especially since Scott Boras represents both Strasburg and Ackley and could, in theory, tip the M's off in advance as to whether Strasburg was likely to sign by midnight. A completely unethical scenario, but we are all human.

very interesting

[200tang]

Highly unlikely. That's not even in Boras' best interest.

[HoustonGM]

Boras may be many things, but stupid is not one of them.

[Red Sox Fan 734]

I think Vance is an alternate of somebody, he just spews garbage when he says something.

Thats what i thought to.

[TheNamelessPoet]

I didnt think so but was still interesting

[wahoosamC]

12:35pm: Heyman hears that the Nats offered Strasburg more than $12MM. Scott Boras believes Strasburg's worth several times as much, but it's Strasburg's call in the end and it would be hard to turn down an eight-figure offer, even an "unfair" one. Still, Heyman says there's a good chance the two sides won't agree on a deal.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Rays Don't Expect To Sign Top Two Picks (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/rays-dont-expect-to-sign-top-two-picks.html)

Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said the team offered Washington a bonus "consistent with late first round picks," but could not come to an agreement with Washington and his agent, Scott Boras.

[ewing6]

Thats what i thought to.

I agree and have always thought this

[filihok]

I think Vance is an alternate of somebody, he just spews garbage when he says something.

Yup

[MeetDaMets]

a/k/a Sock Puppet

id wager theyre all from minnesota

[metsguy234]

Vance isn't an alternym. He's just a religious kook.

[Vance]

i will gladly be a 'kook' among you athiests, nontheists, troubled pagans and wiccans, or whatever other offshoot religion is popular these days. the lord will shut the doors on all of you, and buchey36 will have a chance to ask strasburg and boras why they didn't sign when they are all together with lucifer, instead of following a young man he knows from another place online. something to remember: there will be no baseball in hell with satan. it's very unsafe to place yoru faith in anybody other than jesus christ. buchew if you need somebody to talk to, let me know. i served as a counselor for wounded vietnam troops and counseled them to go with jesus instead of dying as athiests.

[OregonDuck1989]

There could be baseball in hell.

[MeetDaMets]

if theres baseball in hell , ive reason to believe adrian beltre is a starter.

[OregonDuck1989]

if theres baseball in hell , ive reason to believe adrian beltre is a starter.

As long as Rollie Fingers is my closer in hell, I can rest in peace.

[metsguy234]

I'm pretty sure this is the Mets team from hell:

C Brian Schneider
1B Danny Heep
2B Argenis Reyes
SS Wilson Valdez
3B Ramon Martinez
LF Daniel Murphy
CF Ricky Ledee
RF Michael Tucker

B Ramon Martinez
B Chris Aguila
B Chip Ambres
B Bobby Bonilla
B Julio Franco
B Derek Bell

SP Oliver Perez
SP Livan Hernandez
SP Anthony Young
SP Nelson Figueroa
SP/RP Braden Looper
RP Eddie Kunz
RP Sean Green
RP Aaron Heilman
RP Luis Ayala
RP Armando Benitez

[Jeffy25]

I think Vance is an alternate of somebody, he just spews garbage when he says something.

I always thought it was metsguy, ewing or redsox something.

[Arctic Blast]

Wait, am I to believe that someone actually thought Vance was REAL?! :eek:

I assumed we ALL had figured he was an alternym.

[reflections]

Does baseball in hell include the DH?

[200tang]

Does baseball in hell include the DH?

No. It also doesn't include a bench so your pitcher must hit the entire game.

[rockiesfan4ever]

Do you think Strasburg could end up not signing, going to Japan, and then to the Yankees?

[HoustonGM]

Do you think Strasburg could end up not signing, going to Japan, and then to the Yankees?

No.

[200tang]

What would be the point? His payday wouldn't go up at all.

[rockiesfan4ever]

What would be the point? His payday wouldn't go up at all.

If he became a "Japanese Free Agent" then his payday would definitely go up

[HoustonGM]

If he became a "Japanese Free Agent" then his payday would definitely go up
He'd have to spend a good amount of time in Japan for that. And not get hurt.

It's way too risky.

As I said earlier, Boras may be many things, but stupid isn't one of them

[200tang]

We've seen other guys drop off from Japan to MLB and Strasburg would do the same. It isn't like moving to Japan would make him anymore projectable than he already is.

[ragecage]

a/k/a Sock Puppet

id wager theyre all from minnesota

You know I dont think so. Because....

A: Lack of proper punctuation

B: Its just not funny at all...ever.

[rockiesfan4ever]

He'd have to spend a good amount of time in Japan for that. And not get hurt.

It's way too risky.

As I said earlier, Boras may be many things, but stupid isn't one of them

Ok, I don't know exactly what you ahd to do in order to become an international FA

[HoustonGM]

Ok, I don't know exactly what you ahd to do in order to become an international FA
Usually, be born and raised in another country. :p

[rockiesfan4ever]

Usually, be born and raised in another country. :p

Well duh, but I didn't know what an AMERICAN would have to do to become an international FA

[200tang]

It really doesn't matter if he could become a FA one year after pitching in Japan, the amount of competition there isn't high enough to make him look any better and then I also don't know how arb and everything works, but I'm assuming he'd be even less desirable because of it.

[oriole^]

There's no way that Strasburg pitches in Japan next year and everyone knows it. Boras is just being a jerk, and this is from a players' guy.

[Jeffy25]

he did sign ya know.....4 years 15.67...didn't know if you knew oriole.

[TheNamelessPoet]

steven is gonna sleep well tonight.. or get dunk and fall down :D

[Jeffy25]

he isn't 21 ;)


like it matters!

either way he will sleep well.

[HoustonGM]

He actually turned 21 on July 20th.

[Jeffy25]

well damnit HGM!

[200tang]

lulz @ Jeffy :p

[oriole^]

he did sign ya know.....4 years 15.67...didn't know if you knew oriole.

Found out right after I posted...and then looked at the clock. :)

[bucher34]

I would say he was right on with this one...


Couldn't find this anywhere, but a reliable guy from another forum I'm in posted this.....


The Nationals offered Strasburg a 4 year 16 million dollar deal, with incentives to push the deal to a max of 25M.

When Boras recieved a copy of the contract he "Laughed, and immediately hung up the phone."

This weekend Interm GM Mike Rizzo and Stan Karsten met with Strasburg himself, who said he just wanted to play baseball, the money didn't matter, but Boras will not let him sign any deal or it will violate Strasburgs contract w/ Boras and Strasburg will owe Boras 50% of any money he earns on his deal.

So in short the Nationals won't be signing Strasburg (Boras demands a 6 year 52Million dollar deal) and Boras will continue to attempt to ruin baseball for all teams out of greed for himself.

In other news, for not signing Strasburg the Nationals will have the 1st overall pick in next seasons draft (Compensation), as well as (in all likelyhood) the #2 overall pick.

Selig needs to nut up and get a rookie slotting system in place now, or the entire fabric of the "draft" will go down the toilet and will again further screw over the smaller market teams.

[bucher34]

hrm, I think things will change...


Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets that Stephen Strasburg "won't make his MLB debut before 2010."
In another Twitter update, Nightengale quotes agent Scott Boras as saying that "Strasburg may or may not pitch in the major leagues next year." However, not reaching Washington before 2011 seems highly unlikely for the No. 1 overall pick.
Aug. 18 - 10:25 am et
Source: Bob Nightengale on Twitter

[filihok]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091015&content_id=7464122&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


Thus it may be no coincidence that the first Arizona Fall League (AFL) start for Major League Baseball's No. 1 pick -- by the Nationals -- in this past June's First-Year Player Draft will be on Friday at Phoenix Municipal Stadium.

[filihok]

Brandon Crawford

K

[filihok]

Dominic Brown

K

[filihok]

3 Innings, 2 K, 7 GB

not bad

[200tang]

3 Innings, 2 K, 7 GB

not bad

Yeah it's okay if you want Joel Pineiro's worm hatred and Justnin Verlander's stuff. ;)

[Jeffy25]

Yeah it's okay if you want Joel Pineiro's worm hatred and Justnin Verlander's stuff. ;)

nothing wrong with pitching to contact, in this incredibly small sample size.

;)

[filihok]

Why'd he come out?

In the middle of the 3rd inning?

???

[filihok]

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/strasburg_has_strong_debut_in_arizona_fall_league/


Washington Nationals high-priced prospect Stephen Strasburg reached 99 mph with his first pitch Friday night and worked 3 1/3 scoreless innings in his Arizona Fall League debut.

He was removed after throwing 50 pitches, the limit set by the Nationals as Strasburg works himself back into shape after spending most of the summer in contract negotiations.

[200tang]

Why'd he come out?

In the middle of the 3rd inning?

???

Didn't see this post, but for the most part the AFL is about just getting work in. Teams are comprised of multiple team's prospects, so you want to try and get everyone time to pitch. That's why a lot of the boxscores might remind you of playoff games.

Also, one thing to keep in mind is that offense is usually through the roof. The reason is that most teams don't want to send their highly touted pitching prospects because they just finished the regular minor league season and it's unwise to overwork a young arm. A lot of times if you see a quality arm it's because they missed time due to injury, or in Strasburg's case, because they signed late out of the draft.

[filihok]

Didn't see this post, but for the most part the AFL is about just getting work in. Teams are comprised of multiple team's prospects, so you want to try and get everyone time to pitch. That's why a lot of the boxscores might remind you of playoff games.

Yeah, I just thought that it was strange that he'd come out for one batter.

[200tang]

Yeah, I just thought that it was strange that he'd come out for one batter.

Ah, I gotchya. Yeah kind of weird, but your link about the 50 pitch limit cleared that up.

Anyways, on a somewhat related note. Aroldis Chapman. It will be interesting to see what kind of money he gets since I'm fairly sure Strasburg would have gotten more in FA. Although a lot of that depends on if teams see Chapman as a starter or reliever.

For those interested on a report of Chapman and his pitching.

http://ussmariner.com/


The ’09 videos are a bit more revealing, being slightly more than the standard highlight reel. All his pitches seem to have gained a few MPH and he’s now throwing in the mid-90s with his fastball on a regular basis. This is out of line with his hype of hitting 102 on the radar gun. He can reach back for triple-digits, and I saw him do it, but this was not a regular occurrence. He seemed to have additional confidence with his slider and was more readily throwing it. The talent is all there, and he seems to be progressing, and those cover enough positives to warrant interest.


The negatives? Chapman is fundamentally a thrower. One would gather as much given that he ranked near the top in walks and wild pitches, in addition to strikeouts, during his tenure with Holguín. The same came out in the WBC. What I saw was his showing against Australia (going against former Mariner Travis Blackley), not the Japan game in which he ran into trouble. Even so, there were flaws that would be exposed elsewhere. His delivery has gone even higher over the past couple of years, but it’s as inconsistent as it was before. His tempo and his release points are both uneven. When he gets more over the top, he loses his fastball command. It’s difficult to say why he’d even be throwing there either, as his curves were best around three-quarters. So, the delivery, while not setting off injury warnings, is going to need ironing out in order for him to be in any way efficient.


As a result, he was giving the catcher a workout and probably hit his spots less than half the time. When he was missing, it tended to be up in the zone. Thus, the majority of his outs seem to come in the air. The other thing is that his fastball, when moving, tends to dart into the right-handed batter’s box and down. If he’s capable of pitching in to left-handers, I didn’t see him do it much, not that he really needed to. Chapman seems to live and die by his fastball command. Even with the tight, but unspectacular curve, the fastball was his out pitch, and more Ks came on that than any other.
We’re due to see the bidding war start any time now, with the usual competitors in the Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels. Chapman may get a huge paycheck, but realistically, you’re looking at a guy who isn’t going to be MLB-ready from the get-go. I’d put him as a year or so split between double and triple-A at least, just to get the mechanics in order.