Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

[Wassit3]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff

[ragecage]

Im not racist, I just dont believe in mixing races this way.

Umm isnt that racist in itself?

[free2131]

Just found this and was gonna post it. I've usually found that when a person defends their views by starting with, "I'm not a racist, but...", they alway tend to be racists.


"There is a problem with both groups accepting a child from such a marriage," Bardwell said. "I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it."



Yeah, no one likes mixed kids. They will never amount to anything, like being President of the United States...

[ragecage]

Just found this and was gonna post it. I've usually found that when a person defends their views by starting with, "I'm not a racist, but...", they alway tend to be racists.



Yeah, no one likes mixed kids. They will never amount to anything, like being President of the United States...

Or by saying how many black friends they have.

[OregonDuck1989]

Always love me some bigotry mmmhmmm

[free2131]

Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.



So, he asked his 2 black friends and had a friend whose cousin worked with a guy interracially married, and decided this is what happens in society.

But, he lets black people **** in his toilet, so it's fine.

BTW, here's a pic of him in his younger days:

http://superhomeless.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bigotboy.jpg

[eggson27]

This is really pathetic

[Alloutwar]

At first, when my girlfriend brought this up last night, I thought it was for interracial gay marriage. And I was like, wow, gay marraige in Louisiana? I thought they were this backwoods ultra-conservative, still-in-the-1850s-cesspool-of-ignorance. I may have to rethink those preconceptions!

Thank goodness, now I don't!

[Jeffy25]

wow, that is ridiculous

[DiceDig]

Just read this too.

Sigh...will America ever change?
You guys summed it up best.

[KowboyKoop]

This is really pathetic

Reported

[haveacigar]

Hey, he has piles of black friends! You might even say, he has boatloads of black friends....errr, maybe not.

[guidi2009]

Yeah mixed raced children are so out casted by society that they have to become the President.

I don't know, maybe in the south they do treat mixed people bad, wouldn't surprise me.

[dickay]

Im not racist, I just dont believe in mixing races this way.


Just found this and was gonna post it. I've usually found that when a person defends their views by starting with, "I'm not a racist, but...", they alway tend to be racists.



Yeah, no one likes mixed kids. They will never amount to anything, like being President of the United States...

i'm not against Gay Unions but I do have concern when they try to adopt children because I have concern about the psychological well being of the child. That said, I also would agree that a gay union is fully capable of providing a better upbringing than many heterosexual married couples.

does that make me a racists, prejudiced, or discriminatory?

i didn't read the link...but just because someone says they don't believe in mixing races doesn't necessarily IMO make them a racist. Maybe the rest of the body of text helps conclude that but that statement alone or saying "i'm not racists...but"...doesn't provide enough context to draw that conclusion.

[dickay]

now as for the link, now that i've read it.....i will agree he's breaking the law and feel his views are misguided. I honestly don't think i'd go as far as calling him racist......but he is not providing equal rights for all.

I personally don't see a problem with interracial marriage or children in society, but maybe its more accepted in the Northeast?? I dunno....either way, legally regardless of his opinions this dope undoubtedly marries couples of the same race all the time that provide horrific upbringings for their children so the logic doesn't fit.

[OregonDuck1989]

If he's not providing equal rights for all that is called discriminating. If it is discriminating based on race. It is racism.

He's a racist.

[Jeffy25]

i'm not against Gay Unions but I do have concern when they try to adopt children because I have concern about the psychological well being of the child. That said, I also would agree that a gay union is fully capable of providing a better upbringing than many heterosexual married couples.


how is there any psychological well being issues for the child?

[HoustonGM]

If you don't believe that all races deserve the same rights, I think that's pretty much the definition of racist.

[dickay]

If he's not providing equal rights for all that is called discriminating. If it is discriminating based on race. It is racism.

He's a racist.


rac⋅ism
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

1. He isn't doing this because he believes one race is superior and has the rights to rule others.
2. his policy/doctrine/and discrimination isn't based upon those beliefs
3. he doesn't speak of hatred or intolerance of other races.

he's obviously walking a thin line...and his motives may not be what he claims. he says he's worried about the well being of the child. i'm assuming that in his eyes and in his region of the country, interracially born children have pressures that other children do not and he worries about the child. taking for what he says is his reasoning as truth...than i wouldn't classify that as racism. he is discriminating based upon his own beliefs which are not, according to what he has said, racially motivated but are in fact due to his misguided concerns for the child.

[HoustonGM]

rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
.

[dickay]

how is there any psychological well being issues for the child?

heck, as a heterosexual from a heterosexual family, even i had juvenile kids joking about me having two moms or two dads. children make gay and lesbian jokes all the time, heck adults do as well. Lets be completely honest, a gay or lesbian couple raising a child is not nearly as commonplace or as accepted in society as the heterosexual couple. its very likely the child will have to face many issues that children from a heterosexual couple do not.

I don't see how anyone being completely honest, and definetly someone as intelligent as you jeffy, can sit here and say that a child from a homosexual family is not going to have to deal with these difficult issues. I don't really understand the purpose of your question as to me the answer is a known.

Again, that aside....a child can and they do work through those issues as they do other issues and a homosexual couple can certainly provide a better or worse upbringing than a heterosexual couple. Their sexuality really has nothing to do with how good of parents they are.

[dickay]

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exactly..:rolleyes:

[OregonDuck1989]

Thank you for not providing the full definition of racism.

He is discriminating based on NO statistical backing. He didn't spout quotes from studies. He just said "I've talked to some people and they say interracial couples can be bad, their kids can be mistreated"

He's discriminating, he's discriminating based on race.

=Racism.

Is he out spouting black hate speech? No.

But he's not letting people live equally based on the color of their skin.

That's what we like to call, racism.

[Jeffy25]

heck, as a heterosexual from a heterosexual family, even i had juvenile kids joking about me having two moms or two dads. children make gay and lesbian jokes all the time, heck adults do as well. Lets be completely honest, a gay or lesbian couple raising a child is not nearly as commonplace or as accepted in society as the heterosexual couple. its very likely the child will have to face many issues that children from a heterosexual couple do not.

I don't see how anyone being completely honest, and definetly someone as intelligent as you jeffy, can sit here and say that a child from a homosexual family is not going to have to deal with these difficult issues. I don't really understand the purpose of your question as to me the answer is a known.

Again, that aside....a child can and they do work through those issues as they do other issues and a homosexual couple can certainly provide a better or worse upbringing than a heterosexual couple. Their sexuality really has nothing to do with how good of parents they are.

I don't see, and haven't seen any form of evidence to support that it would actually be any harder than having heterosexual parents.

[dickay]

Thank you for not providing the full definition of racism.

He is discriminating based on NO statistical backing. He didn't spout quotes from studies. He just said "I've talked to some people and they say interracial couples can be bad, their kids can be mistreated"

He's discriminating, he's discriminating based on race.

=Racism.

Is he out spouting black hate speech? No.

But he's not letting people live equally based on the color of their skin.

That's what we like to call, racism.

uhh..i provided the full text from definitions.com.

i also stated this;


he is discriminating based upon his own beliefs which are not, according to what he has said, racially motivated but are in fact due to his misguided concerns for the child.

based upon what he's saying, if taken for what it is, IMO is not discrimination based upon race. Do i believe him....no, but thats opinion.

[OregonDuck1989]

Well IN MY OPINION.

He's a racist.

[Alloutwar]

Kids that would not have been born, if this schmuck was the only marriage-granting person in the USA:
Tiger Woods
Derek Jeter
Barack Obama
Mariah Carey
Christina Aguilera
A huge amount of hot women

So the above proves
1) that children born in mixed-race cultures can apparently still rise to the top - perhaps are even strengthened by adversity
2) This issue has been a non-issue in most of the country for decades (thanks, Louisiana! still have segregated water fountains down there too?)
3) that if we let policies like this go, we will have far far less hot women in the future

[dickay]

I don't see, and haven't seen any form of evidence to support that it would actually be any harder than having heterosexual parents.

well, a heterosexual family...i mean any family has baggage and issues to deal with. the question is, do you find the sexual relationship of the parents to be a bigger issue for a child to deal with than many of those other issues.

maybe school is different now, i graduated from high school 13 years ago and gay bashing was done on a daily basis. even heterosexual friends who knew their friends were heterosexuals called them homo as a greeting! i think to a child with a homosexual family, those type of comments are insulting and impactful just as the use of the word "nig___" is to blacks. However, the latter is not accepted in society as a general nearly as much as the former and I believe many children would have trouble confronting those incidents.

[haveacigar]

1. He isn't doing this because he believes one race is superior and has the rights to rule others.
2. his policy/doctrine/and discrimination isn't based upon those beliefs
3. he doesn't speak of hatred or intolerance of other races.

he's obviously walking a thin line...and his motives may not be what he claims. he says he's worried about the well being of the child. i'm assuming that in his eyes and in his region of the country, interracially born children have pressures that other children do not and he worries about the child. taking for what he says is his reasoning as truth...than i wouldn't classify that as racism. he is discriminating based upon his own beliefs which are not, according to what he has said, racially motivated but are in fact due to his misguided concerns for the child.

Dickay's hit the nail on the head on this one. He's only racist if he specifically believes that white people are better than black people. That's not what he's doing here.

The judge is being a lot of things. He's self-righteous in assuming he knows what's better for other people's lives. He's being stupid because he's breaking the law, and his job is to administer the law. Racist? Not necessarily.

Now, at one point, he says something like "I don't believe in mixing the races," which tells me it's very possible that he actually IS racist (usually, people who say that turn out to be racists). However, you can't really conclude that from the information given. He never establishes a value judgment that one race is better than the other, and to be a racist, you have to do that.

[dickay]

Well IN MY OPINION.

He's a racist.

in mine too.;)

because i don't fully believe what he's said.

[OregonDuck1989]

3) that if we let policies like this go, we will have far far less hot women in the future

And by God nobody wants that

[dickay]

Dickay's hit the nail on the head on this one. He's only racist if he specifically believes that white people are better than black people. That's not what he's doing here.

The judge is being a lot of things. He's self-righteous in assuming he knows what's better for other people's lives. He's being stupid because he's breaking the law, and his job is to administer the law. Racist? Not necessarily.

Now, at one point, he says something like "I don't believe in mixing the races," which tells me it's very possible that he actually IS racist. However, you can't really conclude that from the information given. He never establishes a value judgment that one race is better than the other, and to be a racist, you have to do that.

phew...i can go about my day peacefully knowing this confrontation has been averted :)

well said and thanks.

i usually play devils advocate on issues as i feel i have a different way of looking at things and taking the side of someone i do believe is racist is a slippery slope.

[dickay]

Kids that would not have been born, if this schmuck was the only marriage-granting person in the USA:
Tiger Woods
Derek Jeter
Barack Obama
Mariah Carey
Christina Aguilera
A huge amount of hot women

So the above proves
1) that children born in mixed-race cultures can apparently still rise to the top - perhaps are even strengthened by adversity
2) This issue has been a non-issue in most of the country for decades (thanks, Louisiana! still have segregated water fountains down there too?)
3) that if we let policies like this go, we will have far far less hot women in the future

well said...although i could do with a whole lot less of derek jeter.

[haveacigar]

well said...although i could do with a whole lot less of derek jeter.

Racist.

[HoustonGM]

Dickay's hit the nail on the head on this one. He's only racist if he specifically believes that white people are better than black people. That's not what he's doing here.
I disagree. Believing in racial separation, discrimination based on race, etc. is racism even though it may not include believing in racial superiority.

[dickay]

I disagree. Believing in racial separation, discrimination based on race, etc. is racism even though it may not include believing in racial superiority.

from his comments alone however, he is not discriminating based upon race. i do believe thats likely the underlying factor because any rational person easily would confront his fear of interracially effected children by accepting the fact that he's married many adults of the same race who were terrible parents. That is the same reason that while i worry about children in a homosexual relationship, i would never propose that it not be allowed.

his said reasoning for this is not based on race, but for the well-being of the child.

[dickay]

Racist.

got me.:o

[Alloutwar]

Indeed, I agree with HGM above.

In invoking this issue where the races should be seperate, or his 'fears' about the upbringing, he is saying the two are not equal. As we know from brown vs board of education,

Seperate, but equal = not equal

If the races must be seperate because they are not equal in his mind, than that's racism.

Obviously we can't tell what's going on in his mind - and given his issues with interracial couples which I thought was last an issue when Archie Bunker first went on TV, I don't want to get in his mind.

The point is, no interracial couples => less hot women, which is a point we can all rally against heartily.

[/soapbox]

[haveacigar]

I disagree. Believing in racial separation, discrimination based on race, etc. is racism even though it may not include believing in racial superiority.

It's a very fine line. You're talking about making an empirical social-scientific statement (which is what he does here, however misguided it is), versus making a value judgment. The former is not racist, the latter is, and while we can certainly disagree on which one he is making, I feel it is the former.

That said, he's still a *****, he shouldn't be a judge, and he very well could just be making **** up to hide the fact that he is racist.

[haveacigar]

This guy would not have married me and my wife.

It's gonna suck for your kids, bro.

[haveacigar]

The funny thing too is that while most racists hate interracial marriages because of some belief in promoting racial purity, the genetic health of the human race improves when people have interracial marriages, because it reduces the incidence of genetic diseases.

[dickay]

It's gonna suck for your kids, bro.

does anyone live in an area of the country where this is an issue now-adays? well, i do know some elderly who are admittedly racist that look down upon it but in the Northeast from what I see and from my eyes this is a non-issue.

[dickay]

The funny thing too is that while most racists hate interracial marriages because of some belief in promoting racial purity, the genetic health of the human race improves when people have interracial marriages, because it reduces the incidence of genetic diseases.

oof, i don't want to get into genetic. i agree with you...and have been fascinated with the premise of eugenics, even posted a lengthy discussion here sometime ago. While completely abhorent and unacceptable in society...there is an underlying interesting question about whether scientific breeding would bring an improvement to the offspring. Heck, we pretty much know as fact that in horses it does...why not humans?

[Alloutwar]

I've dated every shade there is to date - brazilian, colombian, puerto rican, indian, dominican, black. I love seeing an interracial couple - just seems more interesting, ya know?

There were occasional issues (obviously, since I'm not with all of them currently), but there wasn't much culturally that would have prevented a good upbringing in any of those cases.

If I went with my hispanic gf to this joker and he denied us, I would make sure the world knew what kind of backwards jackass he is. That's like not allowing any Tay-Sachs carriers to get married to anyone, ever, just for the possibility that the other person might carry Tay-Sachs, and THEN there's a 25% chance of the child contracting it. It's a ridiculous supposition built on top of ignorance, and he has no place making that assumption when it's someone else's life.

Although - I guess, couldn't they just go to someone else to get married? A non-idiot somewhere? Louisiana's a big state, gotta have a less ignorant candidate within a drive.

[filihok]

The gov should get completely out of the marriage game and then it wouldn't even matter

[dickay]

The gov should get completely out of the marriage game and then it wouldn't even matter

agreed...but then there would be a whole lot of people pissed they didn't get their marriage tax credit, and the idea behind estates and everything else.

the govt. should just call all marriages "civil unions" and provide the same benefits to all who join in them. this way the religious can keep their sanctity of marriage and all would have the same rights and there would be peace in the world.;)

[KowboyKoop]

does anyone live in an area of the country where this is an issue now-adays? well, i do know some elderly who are admittedly racist that look down upon it but in the Northeast from what I see and from my eyes this is a non-issue.

Take a trip down south sometime...

..yeah, it's an issue. Racism is one of the biggest issues BY FAR in the U.S. in multiple facets of life.

[haveacigar]

I've dated every shade there is to date - brazilian, colombian, puerto rican, indian, dominican, black. I love seeing an interracial couple - just seems more interesting, ya know?

There were occasional issues (obviously, since I'm not with all of them currently), but there wasn't much culturally that would have prevented a good upbringing in any of those cases.

If I went with my hispanic gf to this joker and he denied us, I would make sure the world knew what kind of backwards jackass he is. That's like not allowing any Tay-Sachs carriers to get married to anyone, ever, just for the possibility that the other person might carry Tay-Sachs, and THEN there's a 25% chance of the child contracting it. It's a ridiculous supposition built on top of ignorance, and he has no place making that assumption when it's someone else's life.

Although - I guess, couldn't they just go to someone else to get married? A non-idiot somewhere? Louisiana's a big state, gotta have a less ignorant candidate within a drive.

Well, they certainly can go to another judge, but, the fact remains that his actions are unlawful and well, maybe I'm just being a hardliner, but I don't really have much tolerance for judges that can't figure out how to follow the law.

You're right about the Tay-Sachs thing. It's essentially what he's trying to do, and it simply isn't his place in society to tell people what issues they should and should not attempt to face in life. Part of that whole "freedom" thing we do here.

Since we're telling everyone how many minorities we've dated in our lives, I've just dated a bunch of white girls.

[gRYFYN1]

oof, i don't want to get into genetic. i agree with you...and have been fascinated with the premise of eugenics, even posted a lengthy discussion here sometime ago. While completely abhorent and unacceptable in society...there is an underlying interesting question about whether scientific breeding would bring an improvement to the offspring. Heck, we pretty much know as fact that in horses it does...why not humans?

Shush ... that what got Jimmy the Greek fired!!!!

But .. if you ask a eugenicist or microbiologist they will point out that it will and does ...