2009-2010 offseason transaction predicitions [Archive]

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 03:00 AM

a place to store your predictions for offseason transactions.

I think Matt Holliday will either be a cardinal or a met
and that Jason Bay will stay in Boston.
Roy Halladay will remain in Tornoto for the start of the year
Ankiel will be on the west coast
Freese will be the opening day third basemen in stl
Smoltz will play one more year in stl
wellemeyer will go elsewhere
Pinero will get a 10 mil a year deal elsewhere, i am thinking 3 year, 30 million.
I think the cardinals will get someone to replace Pinero that is pinero like (by that i mean a cheaper version of him, a ground ball specialist).

who else wants to say their predictions?

OregonDuck1989

10-23-2009, 03:03 AM

Jason Bay will leave Boston and most likely become a Met.

Matt Holliday will go to Boston.

John Lackey will remain an Angel.

The Rockies will acquire a right handed bat that in no way fills the need their lineup needed in the NLDS.

Beltre will head to Boston.

Roy Halladay will stay in Toronto but be traded at the deadline to the National League. In free agency of 2011, he will become a Yankee.

skudplayr

10-23-2009, 03:03 AM

The Red Sox will go out and spend over $100 million on someone and no one will say anything. But, if the Yankees do it, they're "evil and ruining baseball."

OregonDuck1989

10-23-2009, 03:04 AM

The Red Sox will go out and spend over $100 million on someone and no one will say anything. But, if the Yankees do it, they're "evil and ruining baseball."

That's because the Yankees are evil and ruining baseball, they also employ A-Rod. Who is the devil.

free2131

10-23-2009, 03:34 AM

Who is the devil.

As this photo proves...

200tang

10-23-2009, 03:38 AM

50,000 hours of MSPAINT right there.

T 980

10-23-2009, 03:45 AM

I want the Giants to be the team that makes some sort of big move this off season. We need power in our lineup and nothing else.

SirKodiak

10-23-2009, 03:48 AM

I want the Giants to be the team that makes some sort of big move this off season. We need power in our lineup and nothing else.

Giants OBP was .309. Methinks they need more than just power.

200tang

10-23-2009, 03:54 AM

Giants OBP was .309. Methinks they need more than just power.

beat me to it :(

filihok

10-23-2009, 04:28 AM

Rays trade Iwamura (that's my big prediction)

200tang

10-23-2009, 04:39 AM

The Mariners will either trade or sign Felix to an extension before making any other roster moves. What happens to him affects the entire off-season.

OregonDuck1989

10-23-2009, 04:46 AM

Anyone want Brad Hawpe?

200tang

10-23-2009, 05:33 AM

Anyone want Brad Hawpe?

Almost every team in the AL.

rschusta24

10-23-2009, 09:57 AM

200tang

10-23-2009, 10:05 AM

One player I'll definitely be keeping an eye on is Austin Kearns. He plays great defense and while not being anything special with the bat, hes definitely more than acceptable for a bench player. If our outfield wasn't already loaded with the possibility of a returning Chavez I'd love to see him in a Mariners uni.

filihok

10-23-2009, 10:32 AM

gRYFYN1

10-23-2009, 10:43 AM

Agreed. But no Beltre.

Beltre doesn't fit the Boston mold, sure he plays good defense, but he undisciplined at the plate with a career OBA of 325 an jusy 317 since coming to the AL. Unless he's looking at a cheap one or two year deal I doubt he'll head to boston (I head Dayton Moore want's to give him a 7/153m contract!)

200tang

10-23-2009, 10:48 AM

Beltre doesn't fit the Boston mold, sure he plays good defense, but he undisciplined at the plate with a career OBA of 325 an jusy 317 since coming to the AL.

His defense pretty easily makes up for that and Boston only had 3 above average/average defenders this year, not to mention that Safeco destroys RHB. Unlike say...Fenway...

Unless he's looking at a cheap one or two year deal I doubt he'll head to boston (I head Dayton Moore want's to give him a 7/153m contract!)

TBH, he'll most likely ONLY be looking for a one/two year deal and in a place to re-establish his value (aka, Boston).

The only way I don't see Beltre signing with Boston is

A) Boston doesn't go after him (doubtful)
B) Beltre doesn't want to live in Boston (no clue, but I'll guess doubtful)
C) Someone totally destroys Boston's offer out of the water (very doubtful after his injured 2009 season, Boston's team, and Boston's payroll)

filihok

10-23-2009, 10:52 AM

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adrian-beltres-bat-away-from-safeco

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/slg_bia.png

You can see Beltre’s power is to left, typical pull power for a RHB, and that he gets more power in away parks through much of left and left-center field. The differences look slight, but many flies and lines to left over the course of a season makes up for the big difference. Interestingly, he also gets more power in away parks to extreme right field, where I had thought Safeco was a little more generous.

I'm convinced. LA should sign him. Move Blake to first and trade Loney

200tang

10-23-2009, 10:54 AM

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adrian-beltres-bat-away-from-safeco

Hadn't read that yet, thanks for the link. Haven't really been to fangraphs ever since it started getting flooded with playoff links lol.

But yeah, Beltre wasn't a great fit for Safeco and moving to Boston and hitting balls off the Green Monster would be great for him. He may not be that great at being on base, but his SLG would shoot up in a park like Fenway.

OregonDuck1989

10-23-2009, 02:18 PM

Beltre>Lowell with no hip

Alloutwar

10-23-2009, 02:32 PM

Someone overspends badly

Boras clients make a ton of money, and their teams tank when they underperform

Manny either a) doesnt get his option exercised and delays serious negotiatons until February, or b) gets his option exercised and finds a reason to dislike LA

The Astros, Reds, Giants, Royals, Athletics, and Pirates will make no significant signings or improvements to their teams. the Athletics may sign some cheap free-agents, but nothing that would seriously impact their ability to hand off the AL West to the Angels again

200tang

10-23-2009, 02:34 PM

Manny either a) doesnt get his option exercised and delays serious negotiatons until February, or b) gets his option exercised and finds a reason to dislike LA

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/los-angeles-dodgers.html

That'd be tough since he's the one who makes the decision on that.

gRYFYN1

10-23-2009, 02:36 PM

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/los-angeles-dodgers.html

That'd be tough since he's the one who makes the decision on that.

so .. then .. B

200tang

10-23-2009, 02:36 PM

so .. then .. B

Doubt he finds better than 20M from another team. He would be pretty dumb to NOT come back.

OregonDuck1989

10-23-2009, 02:41 PM

Doubt he finds better than 20M from another team. He would be pretty dumb to NOT come back.

More then pretty dumb.

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 03:32 PM

The Red Sox will go out and spend over $100 million on someone and no one will say anything. But, if the Yankees do it, they're "evil and ruining baseball."

Win!

Boras clients make a ton of money, and their teams tank when they underperform

And the majority of fans will still claim Scott Boras is evil when the players make the decisions and the owners are much worse when it comes to money/loyalty, if you have to compare one to the other.

200tang

10-23-2009, 03:55 PM

And the majority of fans will still claim Scott Boras is evil when the players make the decisions and the owners are much worse when it comes to money/loyalty, if you have to compare one to the other.

Did you know the Twins owner makes just as much if not more than Cashman? The only difference is that Cashman actually cares about his team and doesn't give his team a weaksauce payroll.

Boo Cashman for giving money to your team!

skudplayr

10-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Seeing as how Cashman is the GM, I'd expect him to make a lot less than the owner of the Twins. Not to mention the fact that Cashman doesn't decide how much money gets spent.

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Did you know the Twins owner makes just as much if not more than Cashman? The only difference is that Cashman actually cares about his team and doesn't give his team a weaksauce payroll.

Boo Cashman for giving money to your team!

Except the Twins (former) owner (Carl Pohlad) is dead, and Ca$hman doesn't own the Yankees. It's that tee-hee-sarcasm again! :p

But all "bandwagonness" aside (I just invented that word)... George Steinbrenner was always my favorite owner for that reason alone. He would have lost money if it came down to that at the risk of putting the absolute best product on the field. Even to a small market team fan, you absolutely had to respect that. You could "hate" the Yankees, even though you admired their owner.

(And to think that if he had his way he would have purchased the Cleveland Indians instead of the Yankees!)

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 04:02 PM

Never mind... I looked up "bandwagonness" on Google and saw it was already used in a few other places, so I can no longer take credit for it.

metsguy234

10-23-2009, 04:12 PM

Anyone want Brad Hawpe?

Hell yes

200tang

10-23-2009, 04:17 PM

woop, wrong name, but yeah, you get the point :) Most owners make a truckload of money, but don't invest back in to the team.

acetoolguy

10-23-2009, 05:40 PM

I predict.....
The day before Thanksgiving the airports will be jammed.
The weekend after the malls will be jammed.
Every network will run A Chritmas Story, then, Its A wonderful Life back to back at least once.
And going way out on a limb here...gas prices will jump May 29th.....

oh...and the Sox keep Bay and get Holliday.

ewing6

10-23-2009, 05:49 PM

John Maine signs with the....

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 05:51 PM

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 05:54 PM

Did you know the Twins owner makes just as much if not more than Cashman? The only difference is that Cashman actually cares about his team and doesn't give his team a weaksauce payroll.

Boo Cashman for giving money to your team!

Cashman owner?

Except the Twins (former) owner (Carl Pohlad) is dead, and Ca$hman doesn't own the Yankees. It's that tee-hee-sarcasm again! :p

But all "bandwagonness" aside (I just invented that word)... George Steinbrenner was always my favorite owner for that reason alone. He would have lost money if it came down to that at the risk of putting the absolute best product on the field. Even to a small market team fan, you absolutely had to respect that. You could "hate" the Yankees, even though you admired their owner.

(And to think that if he had his way he would have purchased the Cleveland Indians instead of the Yankees!)

plus 1.

i agree, wether you love him or hate him, he cares about winning, which is what a fan wants out of their owner

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 05:56 PM

woop, wrong name, but yeah, you get the point :) Most owners make a truckload of money, but don't invest back in to the team.

can you show how much each owner makes?

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 05:57 PM

Figgins a Cub?

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 06:02 PM

can you show how much each owner makes?

I'm trying to find the complete list, and somebody will probably beat me to it, but here was an article in Star Tribune last year (http://www.startribune.com/business/16332206.html) for starters.

Several Minnesotans are sprinkled throughout the newest Forbes magazine list of the world's richest people -- and one of them is Carl Pohlad, the wealthiest among Major League Baseball's team owners.

Four MacMillans -- Whitney, Marion, Cargill and John -- sit tied for 236th with $4.4 billion each. Their wealth is from inheritance. Next is Richard Schulze of Best Buy. He's at No. 296 with $3.6 billion.

After that it's Pohlad (358th, $3.1 billion), whose pockets are the deepest of any team owner in baseball.

Among Pohlad's peers on Forbes' global billionaire list are John Malone (Braves, tied for 553rd, $2.2 billion), Mike Ilitch (Tigers, 743rd, $1.6 billion), and Tom Hicks (Rangers) and George Steinbrenner (Yankees, tied for 897th, $1.3 billion).

The youngest member of the billionaire club is Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, 23, at 785th with $1.5 billion.

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 06:06 PM

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 06:11 PM

An article from April about baseball's billionaires (http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/22/baseball-billionaires-baseball-values-09-business-billionaires-wealth.html).

With a slide show as well (http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/22/baseball-billionaires-baseball-values-09-business-billionaires-wealth_slide_2.html).

but when assigning a value doesn't that mean net worth? which would include their ownership shares in their baseball teams.

so Steinbrenner is worth 1.3 Billion, but aren't the Yankees worth almost that same amount? it's not like that is how much cash in hand they have.

The reason i asked tang, was that his statement wasn't something you could really prove....that all they do is pocket the profit. i am sure some due, like the Twins owner, but that's why owners are very different people. some get into it to make money, others do it because they love baseball or because they want to see that team succeed. Every owner is different. But none are going to allow their team to operate for a loss when deciding their payroll budget.

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 06:13 PM

but when assigning a value doesn't that mean net worth? which would include their ownership shares in their baseball teams.

so Steinbrenner is worth 1.3 Billion, but aren't the Yankees worth almost that same amount? it's not like that is how much cash in hand they have.

The reason i asked tang, was that his statement wasn't something you could really prove....that all they do is pocket the profit. i am sure some due, like the Twins owner, but that's why owners are very different people. some get into it to make money, others do it because they love baseball or because they want to see that team succeed. Every owner is different. But none are going to allow their team to operate for a loss when deciding their payroll budget.

True, but in the case of Carl Pohlad, when he was alive and his businesses were profitable year after year after year, it was no excuse to keep the Twins saddled with one of the lowest payrolls in the game, small market size or not.

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 06:16 PM

With a slide show as well (http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/22/baseball-billionaires-baseball-values-09-business-billionaires-wealth_slide_2.html).

so a lot of them are actually hurting, or are starting to.

BINGLEBOP

10-23-2009, 06:17 PM

so a lot of them are actually hurting, or are starting to.

Perfect time for you to swoop in and buy a franchise!

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 06:19 PM

True, but in the case of Carl Pohlad, when he was alive and his businesses were profitable year after year after year, it was no excuse to keep the Twins saddled with one of the lowest payrolls in the game, small market size or not.

well if he was the type of owner that only cared about the bottom line of each investment, he probably wasn't going to take money from other investments to make the Twins a winner.....again, depends on the person and their investment portfolio, but you don't get on Forbes making bad investments.

If i owned a small market team, and it brought in, let's say 250 million a year in overall revenue. I can not gaurentee that i would pull from other investments to keep players like Santana on that team just to win. not unless i felt that my investment would raise the value of the team, or raise the money coming in each year. I would need that team's expenses to remain below 250 million each year. But to each their own....it is sad that twins didn't retain Santana, I like the Twins.

I was surprised by the value of the Tigers.

Jeffy25

10-23-2009, 06:20 PM

Perfect time for you to swoop in and buy a franchise!

Hicks would be the first to sell i imagine.

TheNamelessPoet

10-23-2009, 06:35 PM

Braves trade Kiwakami for soemone who just wont hack it :( resign huddy to 2 years 15.5 million or 3 years (I doubt) 21-22
scratch that...

Bowman says "it is believed" the Braves would be comfortable offering Hudson a three-year deal worth $27-29MM. Hudson had excellent seasons back-to-back in 2007 and 2008 before undergoing Tommy John surgery, a procedure which limited him to just seven starts last year.

rogue9

10-23-2009, 08:09 PM

I predict more of the same for the Giants. Sabean hasn't learned any new tricks. He will continue to stunt the growth of what pitiful specs we have, and/or trade/overpay for league average(or worse) hitters, with no OBP skills, claiming its ok cause they are "professional hitters".

:mad:

TheNamelessPoet

10-28-2009, 07:29 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/hudson-to-ink-threeyear-extension.html
huddy 3 years for the braves

TheNamelessPoet

10-28-2009, 08:32 PM

Hey Jeffy.. want Derek Lowe... u can have him... just dont send him back :p we don't care... just take him... I mean he certainly isnt a BAD pitcher and he is never hurt... we just have no room with huddy commin back

ragecage

10-28-2009, 08:41 PM

Im sure someone has mentioned this but find a couple of bargain basement veterans to fill some gaps and thus the A's have accomplished all their offseason goals.

metsguy234

10-28-2009, 08:51 PM

We need to do like a standardized FA prediction game like we did last Hot Stove season, where there's like a list of FAs and we guess team and contract signed.

TheNamelessPoet

10-28-2009, 10:15 PM

We need to do like a standardized FA prediction game like we did last Hot Stove season, where there's like a list of FAs and we guess team and contract signed.

holy ****

mg actualy had a good idea

rschusta24

10-29-2009, 10:02 AM

Alloutwar

10-29-2009, 10:15 AM

Im sure someone has mentioned this but find a couple of bargain basement veterans to fill some gaps and thus the A's have accomplished all their offseason goals.

beat you by a few pages

The Astros, Reds, Giants, Royals, Athletics, and Pirates will make no significant signings or improvements to their teams. the Athletics may sign some cheap free-agents, but nothing that would seriously impact their ability to hand off the AL West to the Angels again