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Clay Dreslough

10-29-2009, 07:42 PM

Call me cheap, but I've really cut down on my iTunes purchases now that they've jacked the price to $1.29 on most songs. One dollar is a magic price point. Below it, it seems like I'm spending pocket change (literally). Above that, it's actual money.

They said the $1.29 price was only going to be for "hot" songs. They lied. Go to iTunes and type "feeling". The first song (Black Eyed Peas: I Gotta Feeling) is certainly a "hot" song. But the rest of the list isn't. They really want me to pay $1.29 for a Chumbawumba song I've never heard of?

I understand they want to maximize revenue. But if I go from buying 200 songs per year to 20 songs per year, that isn't good for their bottom line.

(I realize that a lot of people listen to "free" music, and I'm not pretending this option doesn't exist. But as someone who makes my living selling software on the internet, I can't be one of the people that gets their music for free).

So ... I think Apple should steal a play from the Amazon playbook. Create "iTunes Prime". Charge me $9.99 per year to be a "Prime Member" (or create another brand name so they aren't so obviously ripping off Amazon). Then let me buy $1.29 songs for 99 cents again. And you can charge me 79 cents for the few songs that are still just 99 cents. I'll buy a lot more songs. I promise.

metsguy234

10-29-2009, 07:51 PM

I like it.

I'm getting really frustrated, it seems like they first said that only some songs would be $1.29, and they are systematically all going to that price. They also said that some songs would be $0.79, and that's just not true except for like 5 songs.

BINGLEBOP

10-29-2009, 08:04 PM

I buy from MP3Panda, where it's 5 cents per song and at most, 50 cents per album.

FloydtheBarber

10-29-2009, 09:17 PM

Just make them all free, bro, let the music drift freely through our minds

metsguy234

10-29-2009, 09:25 PM

Just make them all free, bro, let the music drift freely through our minds

Professional music is a product. It needs to be paid for.

FloydtheBarber

10-29-2009, 09:26 PM

Professional music is a product. It needs to be paid for.

Ebola is a product, it needs to be paid for

metsguy234

10-29-2009, 09:27 PM

Ebola is a product, it needs to be paid for

This is why you were banned- because you never make any sense.

FloydtheBarber

10-29-2009, 09:32 PM

This is why you were banned- because you never make any sense.

No, the reason for my ban was "Yes, I know you were just making an example, but it was VERY annoying"- Dee

guidi2009

10-29-2009, 09:51 PM

FloydtheBarber

10-29-2009, 10:08 PM

I forget, how much did the average CD cost before the digital age? like $15 right? $1.29 seems pretty good still considering inflation. Were not paying for the shipping, packaging of course but price still seems pretty good.

I think CD's should be worth one dollar per song on them. I think songs themselves should be worth nothing because they are merely sound, and I do not feel it is right to capitalize on them. That is why I buy CDs a lot, but i don't buy MP3's, I download them. Just my opinion.

TheNamelessPoet

10-29-2009, 10:10 PM

Bittorret

metsguy234

10-29-2009, 10:13 PM

guidi2009

10-29-2009, 10:41 PM

I think CD's should be worth one dollar per song on them. I think songs themselves should be worth nothing because they are merely sound, and I do not feel it is right to capitalize on them. That is why I buy CDs a lot, but i don't buy MP3's, I download them. Just my opinion.

Merely a sound? I don't think so. Its a work of labor just like anything else that takes effort and time. In this case it also takes talent and creative inspiration. Perhaps you should limit yourself to 70's Russian music produced under communism. This is coming from a big Jerry Garcia fan, a man who let his fans record his concerts for free. But without income none of us would know of Jerry Garcia.

Red Sox Fan 734

10-29-2009, 10:50 PM

No, the reason for my ban was "Yes, I know you were just making an example, but it was VERY annoying"- Dee

Why'd you get banned again? I dont even remember haha

FloydtheBarber

10-29-2009, 10:53 PM

Merely a sound? I don't think so. Its a work of labor just like anything else that takes effort and time. In this case it also takes talent and creative inspiration. Perhaps you should limit yourself to 70's Russian music produced under communism. This is coming from a big Jerry Garcia fan, a man who let his fans record his concerts for free. But without income none of us would know of Jerry Garcia.

I feel it is a great thing, but why should one have to pay for sounds? CDs are material, they should be payed for. But I feel MP3's should not. They should recognize WHO produced them, and artists should be payed if the music is used for anything, etc. But that is like me making a speech and then charging money for people to hear it. However, in a way I am happy that they do sell MP3's, because in our capitalist society artists do need the income, though I personally do not contribute MP3 wise. One must remember that much of that money goes to Itunes, whom I do not support. I would rather pay for CDs and for band merchandise. Again, merely my opinion.

Red Sox Fan 734

10-29-2009, 10:55 PM

Paying 1.29 for a song sucks.....ya....cause I buy my music ;)

BINGLEBOP

10-29-2009, 11:12 PM

You have to read Amanda Palmer's (Dresden Dolls) blog (http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/200582690/why-i-am-not-afraid-to-take-your-money-by-amanda), RSR.

FloydtheBarber

10-29-2009, 11:28 PM

You have to read Amanda Palmer's (Dresden Dolls) blog (http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/200582690/why-i-am-not-afraid-to-take-your-money-by-amanda), RSR.

She makes good points, and if I had control over my money completely I would probably use one of those really cheap MP3 sites. BUT I have broached the subject with the family, and they have no trusts for those sites to be handling their money, so I am relegated to pirating, since I am a music addict. I DO buy CDs. I try to buy them as often as possible. I buy merchendise for artists I like. Even if I already own an album in MP3, I like to buy them in CD. I realise that since we live in a stupid capitalist society, they do kinda need money. Don't think I don't. But I have different opinions on how to pay them and for what they should be paid and how much they should be.

KowboyKoop

10-29-2009, 11:29 PM

Songs are just a sound and therefore shouldn't be paid for???

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

guidi2009

10-29-2009, 11:57 PM

She makes good points, and if I had control over my money completely I would probably use one of those really cheap MP3 sites. BUT I have broached the subject with the family, and they have no trusts for those sites to be handling their money, so I am relegated to pirating, since I am a music addict. I DO buy CDs. I try to buy them as often as possible. I buy merchendise for artists I like. Even if I already own an album in MP3, I like to buy them in CD. I realise that since we live in a stupid capitalist society, they do kinda need money. Don't think I don't. But I have different opinions on how to pay them and for what they should be paid and how much they should be.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/guidi2005/commiepics_2.jpg

free2131

10-30-2009, 01:35 AM

FTB, this for you... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg&feature=PlayList&p=7D2CC073D09C5088&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4)

...and me too, shhh ;)

SirKodiak

10-30-2009, 01:46 AM

She makes good points, and if I had control over my money completely I would probably use one of those really cheap MP3 sites. BUT I have broached the subject with the family, and they have no trusts for those sites to be handling their money, so I am relegated to pirating, since I am a music addict. I DO buy CDs. I try to buy them as often as possible. I buy merchendise for artists I like. Even if I already own an album in MP3, I like to buy them in CD. I realise that since we live in a stupid capitalist society, they do kinda need money. Don't think I don't. But I have different opinions on how to pay them and for what they should be paid and how much they should be.

What about prepaid reloadable visa cards? Or can they not be used?

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 05:58 AM

Things I purchased on the internet:

Baseball Mogul 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.
39 songs on iTunes.
Photoshop Elements

I'm a contributing member to society.

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 01:31 PM

Things I purchased on the internet:

Baseball Mogul 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.
39 songs on iTunes.
Photoshop Elements

I'm a contributing member to society.

I purchased 4,000 songs on Itunes/CDs(Most of those from CD). 22,000 others just seemed to appear there

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 02:41 PM

I need to find a safe site to get my music from

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 02:49 PM

I need to find a safe site to get my music from

MP3 Blogs are legal, since you aren't uploading at the same time you are downloading.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 02:49 PM

MP3 Blogs are legal, since you aren't uploading at the same time you are downloading.

I'm talking virus free.

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 02:50 PM

I'm talking virus free.

They usually are virus free. SO is Pirate Bay.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 02:52 PM

They usually are virus free. SO is Pirate Bay.

Ya, don't you need torrents to DL music from there too?

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 02:56 PM

Ya, don't you need torrents to DL music from there too?

Yes, Utorrents is reccomended

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 02:57 PM

Yes, Utorrents is reccomended

Ya, I used Utorrent for a little bit and it was slow as hell

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 03:07 PM

www.mp3boo.com gets me all my ****

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 03:11 PM

Ya, I used Utorrent for a little bit and it was slow as hell

Did you pay attention to how many seeders each file had? And yeah, it is slow sometimes, but it gets the job done and runs fulltime.

HoustonGM

10-31-2009, 03:15 PM

MP3 Blogs are legal, since you aren't uploading at the same time you are downloading.
Pretty sure this isn't true. Distributing copyrighted material is illegal just as acquiring it without paying is.

Ya, I used Utorrent for a little bit and it was slow as hell
Than that's either your connection or downloading torrents without good seeders.

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 03:17 PM

Pretty sure this isn't true. Distributing copyrighted material is illegal just as acquiring it without paying is.

lol no doubt. The mp3 blogs put up the little "We're for sampling purposes only" disclaimer so they don't get shut down. Either that or the govt is too busy shutting down real download sites.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 03:30 PM

Ok, just DLed an album with 29 seeds and it took less than 5 minutes

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 03:36 PM

I know a fast, legal, and virus-free way to buy music.

It's called iTunes.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 03:37 PM

I know a fast, legal, and virus-free way to buy music.

It's called iTunes.

If you can loan me the money that'd be great

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 03:37 PM

I know a fast, legal, and virus-free way to buy music.

It's called iTunes.

Buying is for suckers

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 03:40 PM

I know a fast, legal, and virus-free way to buy music.

It's called iTunes.

No

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 03:43 PM

If you can loan me the money that'd be great

How about you get a job then.

Not having money is not an excuse to steal. Poor people can't just go into stores and steal food.

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 03:44 PM

How about you get a job then.

Not having money is not an excuse to steal. Poor people can't just go into stores and steal food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 03:53 PM

Guys I'm not rich enough to buy a Bentley. I think I'm gonna just steal one. That's fine right? It's not hurting anyone, it's just a car, they can make more of them.

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 03:56 PM

Fine with me.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 04:32 PM

Guys I'm not rich enough to buy a Bentley. I think I'm gonna just steal one. That's fine right? It's not hurting anyone, it's just a car, they can make more of them.

Fine with me

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 04:33 PM

Guys I'm not rich enough to buy a Bentley. I think I'm gonna just steal one. That's fine right? It's not hurting anyone, it's just a car, they can make more of them.

Go ahead

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 04:40 PM

You guys are really morally objectionable people. Theft is fine and dandy with you guys? Just pathetic.

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 04:41 PM

You stealing a Bentley in Staten Island, NY has no effect on me. So you go ahead and do it.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 04:41 PM

Now if you steal MY Bentley then we have issues

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 04:50 PM

You only have one? With all the money I save by stealing music I've purchased several Bentleys.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 04:51 PM

You only have one? With all the money I save by stealing music I've purchased several Bentleys.

Nah, I splurged and put custom wheels on it

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 04:52 PM

Nah, I splurged and put custom wheels on it

I was thinking about doing that. Man this stealing music thing is really making my life easier and more luxurious!

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 04:53 PM

I was thinking about doing that. Man this stealing music thing is really making my life easier and more luxurious!

I know, I was able to get my kid into an Ivy League school despite his grades b/c of my money

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 04:55 PM

OK OD, how about I come to Fort Collins and steal cars from your local car dealership?

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 04:55 PM

I was able to buy the Ivy League school you got your kid into, and feed 1 million poor people for a lifetime with the money I saved

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 04:55 PM

OK OD, how about I come to Fort Collins and steal cars from your local car dealership?

Still doesn't effect him unless you steal his non existant Bentley

OregonDuck1989

10-31-2009, 04:56 PM

OK OD, how about I come to Fort Collins and steal cars from your local car dealership?

Well, if you can pull it off. With the simplicity of anonymity of stealing music, more power to ya.

Not to mention, if you came to Foco and stole my car. Directly effecting me, your example would no longer be viable as me stealing music effects you very little and you stealing my personal car effects me greatly.

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 04:57 PM

Still doesn't effect him unless you steal his non existant Bentley

I'd be pretty pissed off if someone stole from people in Staten Island.

rockiesfan4ever

10-31-2009, 04:57 PM

I probably wouldn't be, especially if they owned a Bentley and I didn't know them

Red Sox Fan 734

10-31-2009, 07:27 PM

hahaha Mets.....everyone downloads music....your honestly the only person I know who buys it and technically I don't know you since we've never actually met

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 07:33 PM

And I don't know anyone who illegally downloads music. Must be another regional difference.

Red Sox Fan 734

10-31-2009, 07:34 PM

And I don't know anyone who illegally downloads music. Must be another regional difference.

You obviously don't know many people

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 07:44 PM

And I don't know anyone who illegally downloads music. Must be another regional difference.

HGM is from your area, and guess what he does?

metsguy234

10-31-2009, 07:50 PM

I don't know HGM.

I never said no one from Staten Island pirates music. I just said that no one I know does.

guidi2009

10-31-2009, 09:25 PM

I honestly hope some people in this thread get robbed, may help mature them a bit.

tebowforheisman

10-31-2009, 09:26 PM

I honestly hope some people in this thread get robbed, may help mature them a bit.

lol, yeah. :p

free2131

10-31-2009, 09:47 PM

Guy's we steal music. I have made my peace with that, and I continue to download music, movies, TV shows, ect, but I don't pretend to have some morally righteous excuses. We steal. If we get caught, we will (and should) be punished.

FloydtheBarber

10-31-2009, 10:24 PM

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 02:03 AM

I honestly hope some people in this thread get robbed, may help mature them a bit.

Yes let's wish that upon people :rolleyes:

Because becoming the victim of a crime is a character building exercise.

guidi2009

11-01-2009, 02:49 AM

And I don't know anyone who illegally downloads music. Must be another regional difference.

Most likely an age thing, I was a huge napster fan back in the day but I grew up. Not to mention the music I like isn't popular and I like to show my support to those who make good music.

guidi2009

11-01-2009, 02:51 AM

Yes let's wish that upon people :rolleyes:

Because becoming the victim of a crime is a character building exercise.

There's a difference between downloading music and not caring if people get robbed as you mentioned multiple times in this thread. Hence the maturity comment.

HoustonGM

11-01-2009, 02:53 AM

Most likely an age thing, I was a huge napster fan back in the day but I grew up. Not to mention the music I like isn't popular and I like to show my support to those who make good music.
Me too. That's why I go to shows and buy merch directly from bands.

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 03:03 AM

There's a difference between downloading music and not caring if people get robbed as you mentioned multiple times in this thread. Hence the maturity comment.

Yes I said "I don't care when people get robbed".

Metsguy was using his crazy logic to try and say that stealing music is the same as stealing a car. I used a point that him stealing a Bentley in Staten Island has no effect on me, like me stealing music has no effect on him. So why should he be so pissed about it?

Sure the morals are bad, I'm not saying I'm a morally rich person because I steal. I'm not saying I'm a better person. I'm just saying. It has no effect on him.

Obviously, you haven't been here long but if you had you'd know I've been a victim of robbery and it's not something you go wishing on people. And honestly, you're not proving anything that you're any "more mature" then I am by saying you honestly hope I get robbed. Hence my retort.

guidi2009

11-01-2009, 11:01 AM

Yes I said "I don't care when people get robbed".

Metsguy was using his crazy logic to try and say that stealing music is the same as stealing a car. I used a point that him stealing a Bentley in Staten Island has no effect on me, like me stealing music has no effect on him. So why should he be so pissed about it?

Sure the morals are bad, I'm not saying I'm a morally rich person because I steal. I'm not saying I'm a better person. I'm just saying. It has no effect on him.

Obviously, you haven't been here long but if you had you'd know I've been a victim of robbery and it's not something you go wishing on people. And honestly, you're not proving anything that you're any "more mature" then I am by saying you honestly hope I get robbed. Hence my retort.

Not looking to "prove" anything OD. I have a hard time believing you've been robbed before though based on you're words in this thread.

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 11:40 AM

Not looking to "prove" anything OD. I have a hard time believing you've been robbed before though based on you're words in this thread.

Well, I have.

So, believe it.

metsguy234

11-01-2009, 11:46 AM

I doubt you had anything valuable stolen then, if you think stealing Bentleys is just fine and dandy

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 11:54 AM

Let me lay this out for you:

1. Stealing Bentley's is NOTHING like stealing music. IN ANY WAY. The fact they have the word stealing together does not make them equals.

2. Yes, I was robbed. And honestly, I don't care if you believe it because this is the internet.

3. My point was: you stealing Bentley's in Staten Island, NY has no effect on me. JUST like me stealing music in Fort Collins, CO has no effect on you.

IT STILL does not make the two equals.

If you stole my neighbors car, I wouldn't be "fine and dandy" about it. That directly effects my life.

I'm not going to be pissed at every robbery that happens. I'd never be happy again in my life. Like I'm sure you get soooo mad when people get robbed out here in Colorado.

If it effects me, I'll care. But you caring about us downloading music, drinking underage, etc. doesn't effect you. It's just you being nosy, acting like your on a moral high horse, and getting on everyones nerves.

metsguy234

11-01-2009, 12:04 PM

Well, I hate to sound like a dick, but I am on a higher horse morally then basically everyone else I know and everyone on here.

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 12:05 PM

Congrats.

metsguy234

11-01-2009, 12:05 PM

I've earned the right to be a dick though.

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 12:06 PM

I bet you have

metsguy234

11-01-2009, 12:07 PM

People really should look up to me as a model to live their lives by.

OregonDuck1989

11-01-2009, 12:08 PM

Well, I personally won't as I've already started the path down to a life incarcerated in one of our many fine prisons but you still have the chance to save FTB and RSF.

eggson27

11-01-2009, 12:23 PM

People really should look up to me as a model to live their lives by.

Dude the trolling has got to stop.

metsguy234

11-01-2009, 12:28 PM

Dude the trolling has got to stop.
It's not even trolling at this point. I'm just a really really great person and I want all of you to know that.

President

11-01-2009, 12:31 PM

It's not even trolling at this point. I'm just a really really great person and I want all of you to know that.

Impossible, Joe Morgan is not a really really great person! Contradiction!:p

filihok

11-01-2009, 12:32 PM

Mets...I agree with you, to a point, regarding music downloading/theft and underage drinking

It's not even trolling at this point. I'm just a really really great person and I want all of you to know that.

And, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here

But if you really are trying to impress your point upon OD, you should probably try another tactic, because this one isn't working.

Just some friendly advice

MadThespian

11-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Well this conversation seems to have degenerated a bit.

Some rules I follow. If I like the band, I buy their music & merch. and go see shows.

Almost all of my *ahem* free dl's are 1.) Songs I don't mind hearing, but would never pay for (ie: popular music). 2.) Rare, live & out of print. 3.) Replacement of damaged tracks or discs that I have already purchased.
I also dl tons of stuff from radio & label web sites. Last.fm also has many free dl's. Free, legal music is available to those who look.
That being said, I have no problem when people dl music. Most bands make virtually nothing from record sales. The money is in song writing, touring & merchandise. So screw the corporations, but support the musician.

Steve Albini has an opinion about major labels here: http://www.runnylove.com/albini.html

An interesting article from today's Daily Mail. Guess what? People who illegally dl music, spend more on music. Weird.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224460/Illegal-downloaders-spend-MORE-music-obey-law.html

FloydtheBarber

11-01-2009, 06:20 PM