Could they really be fed up with Boras?

[TheNamelessPoet]

Felipe Lopez Fires Scott Boras (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/felipe-lopez-fires-scott-boras.html)

and so it begins?

[reflections]

Hell hath no fury like a middle infielder scorned.

[gRYFYN1]

its Boras' fault no one wants Lopez?

[dps]

its Boras' fault no one wants Lopez?

If it's simply a matter of no one wanting him, no. If it's a matter of no one wanting him at the salary that Boras was trying to get for him, then arguably, yes.

[actionjackson]

The whole movement towards teams knowing how to evaluate what to pay players in a much more fine tuned way then before, could be problematic for Boras. Of course some teams still seem to need to catch up, but once all 30 are applying these methods, it is going to become tight for Boras and his money above all else approach. He'll make all kinds of wild, unfounded (though possibly true) accusations of collusion to deflect blame away from himself and his methods and save his ass. He already has a sh!t pile of money though and will always be able to get top dollar for the best performers in their prime. He just may not be able to attract that one sucker team that he needs to take the bait on the lesser performers and past their prime players.

[gosensgo101]

its Boras' fault no one wants Lopez?Its Boras' fault that he's asking/expecting too much and not getting his clients the job security they need, and has been losing his clients both term and millions this offseason because of this.

[200tang]

Yeah, everyone is so angry at Boras that the same day he lost Felipe Lopez he gained Kendry Morales. Boras just took a HUGE blow. No..wait...

[BINGLEBOP]

Could they really be fed up with Boras?

Hardly.

Not every Boras client is going to get what they want. Looking at his list (which is HUGE) of clients on Wikipedia, not everybody is an All-Star either (guys like Lopez), but I would gladly sign with him based on his track record. Felipe Lopez doesn't get signed, but the Cardinals essentially "bid against themselves" on Matt Holliday (with all those "mystery suitors" out there). You win some (big), and you lose some.

If somebody is bored enough, we could take a look at the remaining free agents out there and who they are represented by. Scott Boras receives the most blame, but in this current economic landscape in Major League Baseball, it's not as if other agents are miracle workers.

[200tang]

I think it depends on how high profile you are. Take for instance Matt Holliday and Jason Bay this year. Matt Holliday set the market for OFs this year, so a guy like Jason Bay is sort of like a third wheel. Boras isn't going to care about Jason Bay until he signs Matt Holliday and in a sense is making Holliday his #1 priority.

Boras is going to screw the occasional player, but the trade off is that he'll get you more money than any other client.


I also think if you're a terrible defensive player, Boras isn't the agent for you. Teams are clearly valuing defense higher than ever before and from quotes I've read by him he doesn't seem to have a grasp on the defensive metrics and doesn't believe in them and I think it will hurt ihs players. So, a guy like Jermaine Dye or Jason Bay is ultimately going to get hurt by Boras because he's not going to be able to convince most FO's that his client is worth X amount of dollars because of his offensive numbers when he's gonna give you -20 UZR.

[dps]

I think it depends on how high profile you
I also think if you're a terrible defensive player, Boras isn't the agent for you.

Boras also isn't for you if you're looking at more than just getting the maximum possible salary, like if playing for a contender or for your hometown/original team is important to you.

And if you're a marginal/journeyman type, for whom simply getting a roster spot is more urgent than the price, there are agents who are probably a better match for you.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Boras also isn't for you if you're looking at more than just getting the maximum possible salary, like if playing for a contender or for your hometown/original team is important to you.

And if you're a marginal/journeyman type, for whom simply getting a roster spot is more urgent than the price, there are agents who are probably a better match for you.

thats what I fear about Jair :(
I am affraid he will be in the majority (like I probably would be with some exception)

[BINGLEBOP]

Scott Boras' clients (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Boras#Scott_Boras.27_clients):

Major League:

* Tony Abreu
* Nick Adenhart (Deceased)
* Garret Anderson
* Rick Ankiel
* Josh Barfield
* Carlos Beltrán
* Adrián Beltré
* Willie Bloomquist
* Chris Bootcheck
* Julio Borbon
* Chris Coghlan
* Alex Cora
* Joe Crede
* Johnny Damon
* Chris Davis
* J. D. Drew
* Stephen Drew
* Jacoby Ellsbury
* Prince Fielder
* Eric Gagné
* Carlos Gómez
* Craig Hansen
* Runelvys Hernández
* Luke Hochevar
* Matt Holliday
* Edwin Jackson
* Andruw Jones
* Jair Jurrjens
* Ian Kennedy
* Byung-Hyun Kim
* Gerald Laird
* Matt LaPorta
* Kyle Lohse
* Mike Gonzalez
* Rodrigo López
* Derek Lowe
* Ryan Madson
* Daisuke Matsuzaka
* Kevin Millwood
* Zach Miner
* Kendry Morales
* Xavier Nady
* David Newhan
* Magglio Ordóñez
* Micah Owings
* Corey Patterson
* John Patterson
* Mike Pelfrey
* Carlos Peña
* Óliver Pérez
* Guillermo Quiróz
* Manny Ramirez
* Anthony Reyes
* Alex Rodriguez
* Iván Rodríguez
* Dane Sardinha
* Max Scherzer
* Scott Schoeneweis
* Bobby Seay
* Julián Tavárez
* Taylor Teagarden
* Mark Teixeira
* Jason Varitek
* Ron Villone
* Jarrod Washburn
* Jeff Weaver
* Jered Weaver
* Brad Wilkerson
* Barry Zito
* Matt Wieters

Minor League:

* Dustin Ackley
* Pedro Alvarez
* Jake Arrieta
* Jeremy Bleich
* Andrew Brackman
* Jason Donald
* Allan Dykstra
* Danny Espinosa
* Josh Fields
* Danny Duffy
* Jon Gaston
* Tyler Greene
* Mark Hamilton
* Blake Hawksworth
* Eric Hosmer
* Brandon Laird
* Mark McCormick
* Mike Moustakas
* Mark Pawelek
* Wynn Pelzer
* Mike Rozier
* Stephen Strasburg
* Donavan Tate
* Jacob Turner
* Carlos Triunfel
* Angel Villalona

Amateur:

* Bryce Harper
* Nick Maronde

[gosensgo101]

Angel Villalona hardly counts, seeing as he was deported for alledgedly murdering somebody in the Dominican Republic.

[dps]

Angel Villalona hardly counts, seeing as he was deported for alledgedly murdering somebody in the Dominican Republic.

Boras still get a cut of the ten cents a day that Villalona gets paid by the Dominican prison system. :D

[BenFink]

Boras is the only one that gets noticed. When other agents get hired/fired no one bats an eye. I assume this is not an uncommon occurrence it just the only ones that get reported on.

[Jeffy25]

Yeah, everyone is so angry at Boras that the same day he lost Felipe Lopez he gained Kendry Morales. Boras just took a HUGE blow. No..wait...

Exactly what I was gonna say.

[grasshopper]

Boras is the best agent in baseball. Period. What is the argument? ARod for 10 years at 30M a year? He broke the the longest contract ever by 3 years. Yes he makes mistakes, but not many. I still think he will have Damon back on the Yanks.

[dps]

ARod for 10 years at 30M a year? He broke the the longest contract ever by 3 years.

Don't know where you get that. Cap Anson signed a 10-year contract before the 1888 season, and George Brett and a few other players had lifetime contracts.

[Jeffy25]

ya, I am not sure where GH is getting the 10 year is a record deal.

The money is...that's for sure.

But not the length.

But Boras does keep breaking his own record for annual value and total value for contracts....he has done it a lot, including all the ways that he has changed the game forever, including the ammy draft.

[haveacigar]

Boras is the best agent in baseball. Period. What is the argument? ARod for 10 years at 30M a year? He broke the the longest contract ever by 3 years. Yes he makes mistakes, but not many. I still think he will have Damon back on the Yanks.

how the heck would that work?

[haveacigar]

its probably the largest contract since free agency started. before, players were pretty much under indefinite team control

[Jeffy25]

its probably the largest contract since free agency started. before, players were pretty much under indefinite team control

Dave Winfield had a 10 year free agency deal.

[grasshopper]

Before 1970, all contracts were for life. In 1972, free agency appeared, 1st in any sport. Check this out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_v._Kuhn

As for George Brett, he was never offered a 10 year contract. He was offered a 4x4. 4 years negotiable with a 4 year option. The option was never taken, he was re-signed until the end of his career.

ARod is the 1st ever guaranteed 10 year ever. Like Albert Belle, if he cant play next year, he is promised way too much for a long time.

[Jeffy25]

Don't know where you get that. Cap Anson signed a 10-year contract before the 1888 season, and George Brett and a few other players had lifetime contracts.]

Before 1970, all contracts were for life. In 1972, free agency appeared, 1st in any sport. Check this out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_v._Kuhn

As for George Brett, he was never offered a 10 year contract. He was offered a 4x4. 4 years negotiable with a 4 year option. The option was never taken, he was re-signed until the end of his career.

ARod is the 1st ever guaranteed 10 year ever. Like Albert Belle, if he cant play next year, he is promised way too much for a long time.


In 1981, New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner made headlines by signing Winfield to a 10-year, $23 million ($53,886,197 in current dollar terms) contract, making him the game's highest-paid player. Steinbrenner mistakenly thought he was signing Winfield for $16 million ($37,486,050 in current dollar terms), a misunderstanding that led to the most infamous public feud in baseball history. from wikipedia*


Dave Winfield had a 10 year free agency deal.

And this was just off the top of my head, I am positive there have been others before A-Rods deal.

[haveacigar]

well there you go.

[ragecage]

Cap Anson that racist ****.

[Jeffy25]

bc of the Ken Burns documentary, I learned that the vast majority of the well known, hall of fame ball players that played back then were all predominately racist...I was kind of shocked by some of the extremes that many famous players thought and acted to avoid playing with blacks.

I should edit that sentence...it's not like they were all racist, I was just surprised by how many well known players have stories about them about their extreme racist beliefs....obviously, not all of them were.

[grasshopper]

And this was just off the top of my head, I am positive there have been others before A-Rods deal.

You are talking about what is now known as guaranteed vs. contract pay. Like in the NFL. Dave Winfield was signed on a long term contract based on performance. No matter the length, he was only guaranteed a certain base plus bonuses. In the end, those contacts were actually 3-4 years and voidable. Ask Dave, otherwise he wouldnt be creeping aroung the MLB network as an analyst. He really didnt make that much.

The 1st 100% huge guaranteed contract was the Orioles to Albert Belle. He played 1.5 years for them, and then made 15M for 2-3? years off them on the golf course. As in, the Os had to pay him full amount even when he wasnt playing. This was the beginning of the decline of Orioles of 90s to the bottom.

There are situations, like Houston after they signed Jeff Bagwell where insurance picks up the end of the contract. He had an extraordinary injury that ended his career. That is tough to get though. Even so, they only pay back a fraction of the contract.

ARod, win play or show, will be making 28.7M when he is 41, no matter what, playing or screwing blondes.

[Jeffy25]

A-Rod's deal is voidable as well, hell he opted out once already.

You said 10 year deal...Winfield was going to get paid regardless for 10 years, he had a base pay for each year.

Same goes with A-Rod...i'm just pointing it out, that there have been other 10 year deals before A-Rods and that Boras didn't make history for the length of the contract.

[Jeffy25]

You are talking about what is now known as guaranteed vs. contract pay. Like in the NFL. Dave Winfield was signed on a long term contract based on performance. No matter the length, he was only guaranteed a certain base plus bonuses. In the end, those contacts were actually 3-4 years and voidable. Ask Dave, otherwise he wouldnt be creeping aroung the MLB network as an analyst. He really didnt make that much.

The 1st 100% huge guaranteed contract was the Orioles to Albert Belle. He played 1.5 years for them, and then made 15M for 2-3? years off them on the golf course. As in, the Os had to pay him full amount even when he wasnt playing. This was the beginning of the decline of Orioles of 90s to the bottom.

There are situations, like Houston after they signed Jeff Bagwell where insurance picks up the end of the contract. He had an extraordinary injury that ended his career. That is tough to get though. Even so, they only pay back a fraction of the contract.

ARod, win play or show, will be making 28.7M when he is 41, no matter what, playing or screwing blondes.




A-Rod will be making 20 million in 2017, not 28.7.

I would suggest reading this site first ;)

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/new-york-yankees_111398168678860040.html

And I'm pretty sure if he decides to retire before 2018, he won't be getting all of his contract paid to him.

He will make 33 million this year, and if he reaches 660 homers this year, he will get another 6 million, but I don't think he is going to hit 77 homers this year ;)

[grasshopper]

A-Rod will be making 20 million in 2017, not 28.7.


My bad. sorry. going off the top of my head. ARod cannot void without a trade though. He has a buyout in 2017 or 18 though. And it is huge.

[dps]

Don't know where you get that. Cap Anson signed a 10-year contract before the 1888 season, and George Brett and a few other players had lifetime contracts.]

Before 1970, all contracts were for life. In 1972, free agency appeared, 1st in any sport. Check this out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_v._Kuhn



Uh, no, that's not correct. Before free agency, very few players had anything more than a 1-year contract. The standard player contract had a reserve clause that effectively allowed the team to renew it each year, but it didn't in any way shape or form bind the team to the player past the current year. Also, the reserve clause didn't always exist; IIRC it was introduced around 1880. but it didn't become a standard part of all player contracts until somewhere around 1890-1892.

[actionjackson]

Boras is the best agent in baseball. Period. What is the argument? ARod for 10 years at 30M a year? He broke the the longest contract ever by 3 years. Yes he makes mistakes, but not many. I still think he will have Damon back on the Yanks.

...And Damon will play where exactly?

[actionjackson]

Boras is the best agent in baseball. Period. What is the argument? ARod for 10 years at 30M a year? He broke the the longest contract ever by 3 years. Yes he makes mistakes, but not many. I still think he will have Damon back on the Yanks.

George Brett is still getting paid by the Royals as part of his lifetime contract.

[actionjackson]

Cap Anson that racist ****.

Oh yeah, he really stuck out like a sore thumb back then. Doesn't make his views right of course, but it's not like he was alone.

[HoustonGM]

A-Rod's deal is voidable as well, hell he opted out once already.
His previous deal had an opt-out option for A-Rod built in. The current deal does not.


And I'm pretty sure if he decides to retire before 2018, he won't be getting all of his contract paid to him.
That's why he won't decide to retire before then.