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etothep
03-01-2010, 04:51 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100301/sc_afp/chinaarcticbusinessenvironmentresearch


STOCKHOLM (AFP) – China has started exploring how to reap economic and strategic benefits from the ice melting at the Arctic with global warming, a Stockholm research institute said Monday.

Chinese officials have so far had been cautious in expressing interest in the region for fear of causing alarm among the five countries bordering the Arctic, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) said.

"The prospect of the Arctic being navigable during summer months, leading to both shorter shipping routes and access to untapped energy resources, has impelled the Chinese government to allocate more resources to Arctic research," SIPRI researcher Linda Jakobson said.

Canada, Denmark, Norway, Russia and the United States are already at odds over how to divvy up the Arctic riches, claiming overlapping parts of the region -- estimated to hold 90 billion untapped barrels of oil -- and wrangling over who should control the still frozen shipping routes.

Most Europe-Asia trade now travels through the Suez Canal.

Diverting this traffic through the famed Northwest Passage, which according to different predictions could become ice-free in the summer months any time between 2013 and 2060, would cut travel distance by 40 percent.

"To date China has adopted a wait-and-see approach to Arctic developments, wary that active overtures would cause alarm in other countries due to China's size and status as a rising global power," Jakobson said.

China has no Arctic coast and therefore no sovereign rights to underwater continental shelves, and is not a member of the Arctic Council which determines Arctic policies.

"China's insistence on respect for sovereignty as a guiding principle of international relations deters it from questioning the territorial rights of Arctic states," according to SIPRI report "China prepares for an ice-free Arctic".

Officially, the country's research remains largely focused on the environmental challenges of a melting Arctic.

"However, in recent years Chinese officials and researchers have started to also assess the commercial, political and security implications for China of a seasonally ice-free Arctic region," Jakobson said.

She points out that the country has one of the world's strongest polar scientific research capabilities and already owns the world's largest non-nuclear icebreaker.

Last year Beijing approved the building of a new high-tech polar expedition research icebreaker, to set sail in 2013.

"Despite its seemingly weak position, China can be expected to seek a role in determining the political framework and legal foundation for future Arctic activities," Jakobson said.

Cliffnotes version: In short, nothing, b/c they're busy trying to figure out how to turn a lack of ice into more $

Alloutwar
03-01-2010, 04:59 PM
Catastrophe? Potentially earth-changing environmental impact? We've F'd up in 100 years what took billions to achieve precarious balance?

Well, f***...lets divvy this mutha up

Who can worry about the big things when money is a-jingling?

TheNamelessPoet
03-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Catastrophe? Potentially earth-changing environmental impact? We've F'd up in 100 years what took billions to achieve precarious balance?

Well, f***...lets divvy this mutha up

Who can worry about the big things when money is a-jingling?
amen brotha!!!

Arctic Blast
03-01-2010, 06:36 PM
Yeah, the saber rattling over the potential Arctic resource wealth has been going on for a couple of years now. Of course, you Americans would know that if you were capable of looking at things beyond your own borders. :p

guidi2009
03-02-2010, 09:15 AM
Yeah, the saber rattling over the potential Arctic resource wealth has been going on for a couple of years now. Of course, you Americans would know that if you were capable of looking at things beyond your own borders. :p

I was aware of this over four years ago and I'm American, does that make me rare or you wrong?

tdk1984
03-02-2010, 12:57 PM
*facepalms* "Instead of fixing it, let's claim the oil!" Nevermind the fact that the money that would be made from getting the oil won't help take care of all the devastation the ice-cap melting would cause. Yes I know it might not cause an increase in sea-levels from that since most of that ice is in the water already, but if it melts at the Arctic, it's only a matter of time before it all mets in the Antarctic and that's mostly all on dry land at the moment.

gRYFYN1
03-02-2010, 01:04 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100301/sc_afp/chinaarcticbusinessenvironmentresearch



Cliffnotes version: In short, nothing, b/c they're busy trying to figure out how to turn a lack of ice into more $

blah its all pointless .. Global warming isn't happening -- its a myth created by scientists to scare people ...!!!

Arctic Blast
03-02-2010, 06:34 PM
I was aware of this over four years ago and I'm American, does that make me rare or you wrong?

Or perhaps it simply proves the fact that you're humorless and incapable of spotting a joke?

gosensgo101
03-02-2010, 11:24 PM
I'm not sure how the United States could lay any claim whatsoever on the arctic.

OregonDuck1989
03-02-2010, 11:35 PM
I'm not sure how the United States could lay any claim whatsoever on the arctic.

Cause we own everything.

Arctic Blast
03-03-2010, 01:24 AM
At this point, most of the US claims seem to be about having free travel rights through the Northern waters, regardless of who 'owns' those areas.

OregonDuck1989
03-03-2010, 02:06 AM
At this point, most of the US claims seem to be about having free travel rights through the Northern waters, regardless of who 'owns' those areas.

And the fact that we own everything sooooo move your stuff I now own your apartment as I am American.

SirKodiak
03-03-2010, 04:27 AM
Territorial claims in the Arctic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_the_Arctic)

200tang
03-03-2010, 04:46 AM
I was aware of this over four years ago and I'm American, does that make me rare or you wrong?

I laughed at this response. :3

filihok
03-03-2010, 12:50 PM
I was aware of this over four years ago and I'm American, does that make me rare or you wrong?

I know some Americans...so I'm going to say 'rare'


At this point, most of the US claims seem to be about having free travel rights through the Northern waters, regardless of who 'owns' those areas.

Not even we can think of a way to claim this area so the best thing for us would be that whoever can claim it lets us use it for free

tdk1984
03-03-2010, 01:04 PM
At this point, most of the US claims seem to be about having free travel rights through the Northern waters, regardless of who 'owns' those areas.

*cough*Alaska borders the Arctic*cough*

Alloutwar
03-03-2010, 01:10 PM
Alaska borders everything. Just ask Sarah Palin. Alaska borders Afghanistan.

guidi2009
03-03-2010, 02:27 PM
Or perhaps it simply proves the fact that you're humorless and incapable of spotting a joke?

Or that you cant sense texted sarcasm.

200tang
03-03-2010, 06:22 PM
Or that you cant sense texted sarcasm.

I was aware it was sarcasm, does that make me rare or you wrong?

Slingshot
03-03-2010, 06:22 PM
I was aware it was sarcasm, does that make me rare or you wrong?

It makes you a scumbag.

Arctic Blast
03-03-2010, 06:36 PM
Or that you cant sense texted sarcasm.

Nor you, apparently. :p