On Last Minute Bidding.....

[Slugger222]

How many people would like to see a, "Handshake" take place in the Free Agency draft. A point where the player and agent say, "OK, you got it - no one else can bid on me now." before the sim runs....

Obviously, the bar would have to be full, and the bid would have to at least meet - if not slightly exceed - the "Asking" price.

I think that would prevent some of the last minute bidding (which favors people who can sit at their PCs and watch the bidding, and also allow teams to set their lineups easier during the offseason.

[Galatine]

I'm pretty sure I've seen FA's sign contracts before the deadline for bidding is up.
Even if not, I personally don't find last minute bidding much of an issue. The proxy system the moguls gang has set up is very good.
I usually set a maximum bid that I'm willing to pay for a player, and not a single point more. In my eyes a player doesn't become better because of demand.
If I really want a particular player then I'll bid the highest amount my team can afford.

[Bad_Ash]

I like the free agency system how it is, if you are worried about people bidding at the last minute just set your max bid to whatever you feel comfortable paying. I typically do all my bidding just before the top of the hour and set my max bid to a number I can afford to pay. I think the game has too many big free agents during a typical year. If people traded more often the free agent problems would be few and far between.

[Slugger222]

A couple of players in the NABL have expressed frusteration over the practice of "sniping" during Free Agency. Sniping is the practice of bidding on a player after the clock has run out, but before the sim has run. So I thought that I'd bump up this original poll.....

Personally, I'd like to see a combination of the "Green bar" and the "Sign Now."

The green bar would represent what he will sign for at the end of the sim, but at "Green Bar plus 25%", or "Green Bar plus 10 points" , which ever is higher, you have a "Sign Now." Maybe make that a black bar........

What do you all think?

[kohut]

Making a change like that would be difficult to do for one league. Personally Id like to see the sign now button where if you pay a lot of money you get the player... Its too bad so many ppl in the past complained about it becasue now its gvboing to be very hard to change.

[BBM]

If you guys are scared of snipers, u can set your max, so if you max a bid on 40, and u wont want bid on 42 if someone bid 41, so it doesn't matter they snip or not.

[playshogi]

The max bid is designed for this problem. The real problem is a player keeps bidding until he beats you by 1 point. I think a real solution is to limit bids: to 1 bid per BALLplayer per sim. You could still bid on as many BALLplayers as YOU want. So, if the bar is green, you'd better make it your best price, not just bid until you win by one point.

[Slugger222]

The way it is designed now, every bid wins by one point. Any overage goes in the Max bid.

The only exceptionis if you top your own bid. Then that bid becomes the bid for the player, and the Max Bid.

[ksimuel]

Maybe I am missing the whole item on this...

If you are bidding on person A and you think you can only afford at most 40 points for a person bid 40 points. If a person beats you by 1 that is one more point than you can afford.

i don't like sniping, but max your bids and pad them and you will not have this problem. This was brought up in our league and personally the first time it happened to me my competitiveness level/ego was bruised more than anything else that I got beat by 1 point. But in the long run I couldn't afford that additional point and I used it elsewhere.

[BBM]

If a guy beat u with a point, he/she still beat you, you cant say a thing about it, even if i am a player in the game, i will sign a team that gives me 41 points for 7 years than 40 points for 7 years. THE ONLY WAY u can do is set ur max, after all, we cant do nothing about it.

[sdrocks]

How about anyone who makes a bid in the last minute automatically goes to their max bid regardless of what the previous max is. This may punish them a little by making them overpay a little.

[sdrocks]

As for the poll. i dont like the signing of players before the sim or sign this player now. If so, the first person who views the free agents can sign someone before everyone gets a chance. Not realistic. A real player won't take the first good offer he hears. They want to wait and see what anyone else offers.

[nevets72]

Perhaps a system whereas if you have a bid that the player is going to accept and some one "last minute bids" you, you, and only, should have the right to bump the offer, before he signs. It might be a nightmare to code or implement, but it is only fair. There is no reason some one should have an advantage by logging on 1 minute before the sim and outbidding people. They do not even have to work for it.

[Cipster]

What if the bid has to stay posted for an entire sim period? Just like a real auction you should allow everyone the opportunity to bid up. The only problem with that would be that if a player repeatedly gets bid up he might never get signed untill the drop down menu stage. Then it just becomes a big fastest finger competition.

[kingola]

Hi: Just thought I'd let you know that I signed 3
FA's with my Colorado team in League Beta 75 and it is only Nov. 28th by Sim time. The bidding goes on for the rest of the players. I bid slightly higher than the max asking and bingo the next real day they are on my roster.
What a great game!
thanx,

[faulk28]

because i can't stay in front of the computer all day...i have to go to work at 2pm so usually when free agency is going on i set a max bid. the only problem i have sometimes is the fact that i sometimes bid on too many players and then get too many of them. Thereby i have my salaries set too high. i would actually like to see different sim times offered.

[genuwinestatuz]

hey i agree with u faulk...i also ahd lost out on some FA because i had to work...diff. sim times would be great!

[Slugger222]

Just bumping this to the top so more people will see this and vote...

[williethebasset]

I think that there should be a price catcher like on ebay. if you bid the amout you automaticly get the player. Like if Chan ho park is seeking 95 points and the highest bid is 14 than you can automaticly get him by bidding 95 points.

[takaplan]

Right, but that would take away from the whole point of the FA bidding now. Right now, the goal of the ebay style bidding is so EVERYONE has a chance to bid on all the players, instead of just whoever gets there first. It would ruin this system if you could sign someone right off the bat.

Tom

[kingola]

Reply to willie...

If you want this to be realistic then if any player found themselves in the position of a hot
bidding war they are not going to automatically sign with the first team that reaches their goal.
The GREED factor kicks in and they hold out for the most money possible because they realize later on they get less and less. This is fueled by the intrigue factor of other teams wondering what does that GM know that I don't and why are they willing to bid so much for that player. Go to a real auction some time, not to bid on anything but just to watch other people's reaction as they bid crazily to pay more than retail for junk.
In conclusion, I like the current system.

kingola
Kansas City Kings - League 11
Toronto Tornadoes - League 72
Colorado Centennials - League 75

[Slugger222]

Obviously, the Greed Factor would have to be built into the system. I think, it should be either:

A: The players original asking price
B: The current green bar price + 25%

It's probably academic, since it looks like - by about a 2-1 margin -players want to allow unlimited prices and (ergo) leave open the option to snipe.

[trench610]

The only reason people want to get rid of the sniping option is because they want players for cheaper and don't want to have to really have their max bids come into effect.

The whole POINT of free agency is that the player is worth as much as the highest bidder is willing to pay.

Sniping doesn't matter if you've got a max bid...go with it.

[willat]

I'd like to be able to retract bids. After all, it happens in real life. Teams put a time limit on offers because they want to either get the guy or move on.

[playshogi]

Sniping does matter even if I use the max bid option. The reason is if I value a player at 40 points, YOU might value him at 50 points and sniping to 41 gives you a better deal.

I think bidding should take place over a 24-48 hour period with players submitting 1 max bid for all the players they can afford. That is, the TOTAL of all bids must be within their ability to pay should they get all the players. All bids are secret just like in real life. This way, everyone gets a fair chance to bid on all the players with no advantage to players who can check each hour during the bidding process.

[steven0560]

That's it. End of problem. Last minute bidding happens. Deal with it.

[trench610]

Playshogi, that's incorrect...if I max bid 50, and you max bid 40, I'll get him for 41 whether or not I snipe.

[playshogi]

I know. I'm not complaining about sniping because it's part of the game (right now). I just think a fairer system involves 1 secret bid over a 24 hour period that gives everyone a chance. The way it is now, someone can lock up a free agent in the first hour by bidding into the green. I can just see Giambi saying well the Yankees bid 100, I think I'll take the Mets at 101, even though I know they really bid 110.

[willat]

No, I don't like secret bids. Why the heck should I pay 50 for a guy when the best offer out there is 25?