Mogul points?

[klousia]

As the owner of a small market team..I value mogul points as a measure of my true success.


Given only a few years of sims...the bonuses given to the small market teams don't seem to be sufficient to outweigh the financial advantage of the large market teams.

For example the income for NY(A) is 904 vs KC 363 in our league.
Is 541 points really only worth 20 points in mogul point differential?

Why do large market teams get any bonus points?

[klousia]

No response?

[edeutsch77]

Dunno, but it's a good question of how to balance it...Of course, those 20 points ARE 20 wins. That's a lot. At least, I think it is..

[Winks469]

I think 20-25 mogul points is a sufficient amount. Even if the Yankees were to average 95 wins (which may not be high enough), it only requires the small market team to win 75.

[Clay Dreslough]

Originally posted by klousia
1. For example the income for NY(A) is 904 vs KC 363 in our league.
Is 541 points really only worth 20 points in mogul point differential?

2. Why do large market teams get any bonus points?

1. Already answered intelligently, but I'll add my 2 cents. I THINK the bonuses are enough as is, but we could tweak them if needed.

Mogul Points are awarded for wins. This means that 80 wins + 30 bonus points gets you the same score as 100 wins + 10 bonus points. 80 wins is below .500. 100 wins is a sure-fire playoff team. Big difference. So even if you only stay near .500 as Kansas City, you should be able to have a good Mogul Point Score compared to your league.

2. Because I wanted the "average" Mogul Point score to be about 100 so it was easy to see if you were "above-average" or "below-average". Since we start with games won, which averages 81 per team (plus some playoff wins), I give little bonuses to big market teams, and big bonuses to little market teams. If I had chosen 80 as "average", then big market teams would get penalties, and small market teams would get SMALL bonuses.

Clay

[klousia]

Of course, it is much easier for a large market team to make the playoffs, yet they recieve the same benefit as a small market team.
Which, distorts the system you have applied. Also please note the following from Oakland in our league

2002 2,351, 733 501 82 102-60 ALDS Winner 132
2003 2,291, 983 510 20 98-64 ALDS Winner 125


There seems to be a flaw somewhere. Oakland only lost four more games in 2003 than they did in 2002. Both years they were ALDS winners. How did they end up with 7 less points in 2003?

[Steve41992]

You also get a Mogul point for each postseason win.

I suspect if you go back and look, the 2002 Oakland squad went seven games in the ALCS while the 2003 model got swept in four games. Those extra 3 wins in the ALCS plus the extra 4 in the regular season would account for the 7 point difference.

[klousia]

I don't believe that 20 wins is sufficient. Since KC's income is either last in the AL or next to the last. Assuming all GM's being equal they should never be at 500 or even 7 games under. I suspect if the designers of the game ran the sim with computers running all the teams they would find that KC's mogul points would not equalize or even come close.

[edeutsch77]

That's where the human element comes into play. I'm sure that even a lowly GM such as I could turn around KC and even make about .500 ball every year. It really isn't that hard to play the FA market and make some trades....just gotta be smart about it.

[cardfanstl]

Honestly, I think the difference is large enough as it is. I mean, we're talking about a difference of 20 wins a year ON AVERAGE between the top and bottom teams. It seems difficult to me to imagine any team doing that over the long haul in real life. And if you've got 30 competent managers, I'd be suprised to see it in mogul leagues (unless some take to the tanking-to-get-better-rookies strategy) over any meaningful course of time.

And it may be easier for a larger market team to make the playoffs, but then again, maybe not... The Yankees can make the playoffs ONLY if they beat other large market teams such as Boston and even Baltimore and Toronto can make a lot of money. Most of the small market teams come from the central divisions of each league where they simply don't have to compete with such large budgets to get into the playoffs. Truely it is only the D-Rays and Expos that suffer as far as making it into the playoffs.

Also, I've been playing with KC (not equalized), and I had them making around 450 points a year without cable TV or playoff money. They certainly wheren't last in revenue and were rather sucessful, but I still got the 30 points bonus. You've just got to build up the fan-base. Especially in KC.

I don't know if I want to argue that the difference should be less than it is, but I think it's definately large enough where it is right now.

Just my $.02
Dave

[jookster]

It seems redundant now since the last post was over 2 weeks ago, but I won 3 straight World Series with KC and counting(as long as the league doesn't fold or reset). Ya just gotta be good like me.....:D