Announcing NABL Historical

[dturkenk]

Continuing in the tradition of NABL - the first private league - and NABL Shuffle - the original shuffle league - I'm proud to announce the first league composed of historical players - NABL Historical.

Following in the footsteps of jokerswild, trucong and nysteinbrenner, NABL Historical will be a customized league with bidding for franchises.

All 30 current franchises will be up for bid. The cities will use the 2003 markets, and the bidding will follow the same format as in the other customized leagues. I will set up a schedule for bidding, although there is always a buy-it-now price which will immediately purchase the franchise. Minimum bid is 200 points

After winning a team, the owner will select the year (post 1901) that he wishes to play with. This will determine the roster and the stadium for the franchise. The quality of the season selected will determine the additional costs to the owner (similar to the stadium costs in the other customized leagues). Salaries for the historical players will be determined by BBM 2004 (converted to points).

There will be only one instance of each player in the league. If two franchises select the same player, they will have to bid for him. The team with the lesser record has a better shot at getting the player.

After all the teams have been selected, the pitcher with the most career wins and the batter with the most career homers who have not been selected will be auctioned off.

Each owner will start off with 500 points cash. Loans will be assessed in the same manner as WBL (with the compounding done correctly this time :))
A. 400-700 (5 year loan 6% interest per season)
B. 701-900 (10 year loan at 5% interest)
C. 901 and up (15 year loan at 4% interest)

Gameplay rules will be along the lines of the WBL (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=33331) - specifics will be forthcoming.

I plan to start bidding with the Yankees and the Dodgers on Monday morning at 10 EST. The rest of the schedule will be posted later today or tomorrow.

Please contact me at dturkenk@hotmail.com, danturk34 on AIM, or by PM if you have any questions.

[dturkenk]

I will post awarded franchises in this post.



Owner Franchise Year Price
Trucong Los Angeles Dodgers 1956 975
cgiven New York Yankees 1927 1350
xnylived Cleveland Indians 1954 700
dabruinss Boston Red Sox 1978 1125
jokerswild Anaheim (nee California) Angels 1986 300
dejapooh New York Mets 1985 250
jibnib St. Louis Cardinals 1934 500
wazup937 Cincinnati Reds 1976 325
Monteral GM Atlanta Braves 250
chitown Chicago Cubs 1906 200
Schaefling Oakland Athletics 200
Steve41992 Baltimore Orioles 1971 200
Sharkx Philadelphia Phillies 200
dturkenk Chicago White Sox 200
ahp Pittsburgh Pirates 200
cavemanx Houston Astros 750

[dturkenk]

Starting at 10 AM through 10 PM EST tonight, I will be accepting bids on the New York Yankees and the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Please post bids ONLY for these teams at this time.

If you are trying to bid early for a team to hit the buy-it-now price, please email me at dturkenk@hotmail.com or PM me. I will respond if you have passed the threshold, but may not respond otherwise. You can try to IM me, but I probably won't be able to respond very frequently.

A few things to keep in mind while you bid:

1. When you select your year, you get the roster as of that season, but you don't get the team's prospects as you move forward.

2. Remember that there will only be one instance of each player in the league. If you were to select the 97 Mariners and someone else were to take the 01 Rangers, you would be forced to bid on Alex Rodriguez.

3. Salaries for the historical players will be based on the BBM2k4 engine (converted to points), which values players according to their worth rather than their actual salary.

Good luck and have fun with the bidding!

[dturkenk]

Deja pooh bids 850 on NYY (over AIM)

[dturkenk]

cgiven - 1201 points (through email)

[dturkenk]

dejapooh - 850 on LA (over AIM)

[dturkenk]

And since no one's bidding, I'll throw my name in to the ring for NY at 1300.

[Trucoug]

Dodgers for 975.

[cgiven]

NY at 1350 if still time

[dturkenk]

1400 on the yanks?

or not :)


NYY goes to cgiven for 1350
LAD goes to trucong for 975

[dturkenk]

Mets and the Cardinals are up until 10 AM tomorrow.

[cgiven]

Wow I actually got in under the wire.... and to think I almost didn't log on to check out what was happening.

Now I have to decide on which Yankees period to pick.

1927? Perhaps the greatest team ever.
1936? Joe Dimaggio's first season, and no war to interupt his career... Gehrig still playing....
1951? Mantle's first year

I think I will have to go with 1927. I was tempted to go a year earlier when the team is a year younger and Lazzeris' first season. But Wilcy Moore arrived in 1927 with a great year, rounding out a dominating pitching staff. And most of the lineup have many good years ahead of them.

So 1927 New York Yankees it is.

Can't wait to get things started.

[Trucoug]

Well, after careful consideration.

The '56 Dodgers were selected. They were Brooklyn then but for NABL they will be LA.

- Jackie Robinson
- Pee Wee Reese
- teenage Drysdale
- 20 something Koufax
- Duke Snider
- Roy Campanella
- Gil Hodges
- Don Newcombe

Just to name a few. This is going to be a great league.

[xnylived]

The next NABL franchise?
1954 Cleveland Indians

Bobby Avila
Al Rosen
Larry Doby
Bob Lemon
Early Wynn
and Bob Feller

The only thing missing from that season? A WS championship. :(

[dturkenk]

Due to the paucity of bidding - I'm changing the rules. Feel free to open any team up for bidding. I will allow 24 hours from the time of the first bid for any competing bids, and then I will award the team.

Please post all bids in this thread.

[dabruinss]

boston 1125

[jokerswild]

300 points on the Angels

[dejapooh]

HOw about the mets for 250

[JibNib]

I bid 500 for St.Louis Cards

[wazup937]

200 for the Reds

[dabruinss]

are we going to get updates here because i posted over 24 hours ago

[dturkenk]

are we going to get updates here because i posted over 24 hours ago

Actually, you're on about 23 hours right now. If no one outbids you by 11:40 EST then you're the proud owner of the Red Sox.

[cgiven]

Boy, it looks like NYY and Boston might be the only ones saddled with a good sized debt. Hope those fans pack the House that Ruth Built.

Craig

[chitown]

Are we allowed only one bid for a franchise -- or can we up our bid, if someone outbids within the 24 hours?

Also, is it 24 hours from the highest bid or 24 hours from the first bid.

Thanks.

[Trucoug]

Chitown-

I will try to address your questions for you. Dan is at work currently.

#1- Yes you may up your bid at anytime if someone does outbid you.

#2- I believe the 24 hours is from the first bid.

[Monteral GM]

Atlanta - 250

[Steve41992]

Cincinnati 250

[cgiven]

Not sure, but I would think the 24 would be from the last bid. Otherwise bidders will wait until the 24th hour is almost up and place a last minute bid.

With a 24 hour window from the last bid, the original bidder should have time to check in and up their bid.

Just my 2 cents

Craig

[wazup937]

Cinncinati - 275

[chitown]

Thanks Trucoug.


I'll start the bidding at 100 for the Cubs.

[jokerswild]

Be afraid, the '86 Angels are going to be in the league. The best all-time player (Wally Joyner) rookie season too. You will all pay the price now :)

[dturkenk]

Not sure, but I would think the 24 would be from the last bid. Otherwise bidders will wait until the 24th hour is almost up and place a last minute bid.

With a 24 hour window from the last bid, the original bidder should have time to check in and up their bid.

Just my 2 cents

Actually, I meant 24 from the first bid. This way bidding has a set time to end. I admit, it does open it up to sniping, but I'm at least assuming the GM can be at his computer the same time 2 days in a row, which is a little bit better than nothing.

[dturkenk]

Originally posted by chitown
Thanks Trucoug.


I'll start the bidding at 100 for the Cubs.

I apologize that I left this off the rules when I made the change - but there's a minimum 200 point bid.

[chitown]

Originally posted by dturkenk
I apologize that I left this off the rules when I made the change - but there's a minimum 200 point bid.

No problem. 200 pts for Chicago (N)

[Steve41992]

Cincinnati 300 points

[wazup937]

Reds 325

[wazup937]

Looks like it's been 24 - I will take the 76 Reds

[Schaefling]

Khan really likes Oakland which isn't surprising so I am going after this team.

200 on Oakland.

[Schaefling]

200 on the Athletics. That way I can go all the way back to 1901 if I want to pick a team.

Schaefling

[Steve41992]

Braves 200

[JibNib]

St. Louis

Its been over 24 hrs, If I got the Cards, Ill go with the 1934 team

[Steve41992]

Originally posted by Steve41992
Braves 200

Whoops!

I just noticed that Atlanta already has an owner. After failing in bids for Atlanta and Cincinnati, maybe the third time will be a charm.

Baltimore 200

[chitown]

Tinker, Evers, Chance

Mordecai Brown

116 Wins (in only 152 games Mariners fans!)

1.75 Staff ERA


1906 Cubs

[dturkenk]

We've got 10 teams in so far

2 pending bids - Oakland and Baltimore

and myself. I could really use the help in spreading the word about this league since I'm pretty busy at work right about now. Anything you guys could do would be great, since it means we'll be starting the league sooner.

Also, I still need year selections from:

dabruinss - Boston
dejapooh - New York Mets
Monteral GM - Atlanta

[dturkenk]

I'll open up the White Sox for bidding at 200 points.

[Trucoug]

Dan, I will try to help.

So far, this is what I have info on.



NABL Historical
Teams Taken
GM Team YR Price
Trucoug Dodgers 1956 975
cgiven Yankees 1927 1350
xnylived Indians 1954 700
dabruinss RedSox 1978 1125
JokersWild Angels 1986 300
dejapooh Mets ??? 1125
jibnib Cardinals 1934 500
wazup937 Reds 1976 325
Monteral GM Braves ??? 250
chitown Cubs 1906 200
Schaefling As ??? 200
steve41992 Orioles 1971 200


Teams Pending
cavemanx Astros ??? 750
dturkenk whitesox ??? 200


If you are looking for a league, this is the one to join. What other league will give you the chance to join as any team, any year in MLB history.

[cgiven]

An analysis of the teams selected so far:

1906 Chicago Cubs - Perhaps the greatest team in history. But, and its a big But, how will they translate to the post long ball era. Frank Schulte led the team with 7, and no other player had more than 3. My Score: 90

1927 New York Yankees - The greatest Yankees teams ever, and one of the top teams in history. Ruth, Gehrig et al in their prime. My Score: 94

1934 St. Louis Cardinals - The Gas House Gang, World Series winners. Dizzy Dean wins 30 games. I might have gone for 1942, Musial's rookie year. My Score: 86

1954 Cleveland Indians - Lost the Series in a sweep by the NY Giants. Some interesting people in the lineup, with some great pitchers. An interesting pick would have been 1910, with a young Shoeless Joe Jackson, Nap Lajoie, and an aging but still overpowering Cy Young. My Score: 74

1956 L.A. (Brooklyn) Dodgers - Interesting selection. Jackie Robinson, Pokey Reese, Roy Campanella would all be gone within the next couple of years, and the team would leave Ebbetts. I might have been tempted to go with 1947 to get this great team while it was still on the upswing. But '56 misses the pennant years of '52, '53, and the championship year in '55. My Score: 76

1986 Anaheim (California) Angels - A young franchise with few great seasons, and this is one. Reggie Jackson is a highlight. But he, Bob Boone, Bobby Grich and Don Sutton were at the end of their career. Wally Joyner and Chuck Finley are at the start. My Score: 66

1976 Cincinnati Reds - And the Big Red Machine, but why '76 and not '75? Almost the same team, one year younger and just as good. Definitely a great set of players. My Score: 88

Undetermined:

Boston Red Sox - Before the Curse? Ted Williams? So many Choices.
New York Mets - The Amazin's, or one of the teams from the 80s. Or maybe show some balls and take the '62 team.
Atlanta (Boston/Milwaukee) Braves - Hank Aaron, Warren Spahn, or the late 20th Century pitchers. Boston, Milwaukee or Atlanta. Lots of interesting choices.

Pending final bids:

Baltimore Orioles
Oakland (Philadelphia) Athletics/A's
Chicago White Sox

Come on folks. Join in and get your team rated.

[dabruinss]

boston will go with 1978 do you want us to give you the rosters or are you going to get them

[Trucoug]

Dab, Dan will get the rosters, he just needed the year.

[Trucoug]

Originally posted by cgiven
An analysis of the teams selected so far:

1956 L.A. (Brooklyn) Dodgers - Interesting selection. Jackie Robinson, Pokey Reese, Roy Campanella would all be gone within the next couple of years, and the team would leave Ebbetts. I might have been tempted to go with 1947 to get this great team while it was still on the upswing. But '56 misses the pennant years of '52, '53, and the championship year in '55. My Score: 76

Craig, you forgot the 2 most important people of all.

- Sandy Koufax, 20 yrs old
- Don Drysdale, 19yrs old

[cgiven]

Tru,

Good point. That is what I get for doing this on my lunch break and using my head for most of the facts. I'll have to move them up into the 80's somewhere. Not sure how far.

Craig

[dabruinss]

wow koufax and drysdale both young guns

[Sharkx]

Philadelphia 200 Points

[cgiven]

Come on folks. Look at all the great teams still available.

Detriot with Ty Cobb
Kansas City during the late 1970's and early 80's.
Pittsburg with Honus Wagner
NY or SF, the Giants have some great players. John McGraw and Christy Mathewson. Willie Mays and Willie McCovey. Bobby Bonds or Barry Bonds.
Don't like the Minnesota Twins, how about their original Washington Senators and Walter Johnson?
Even the younger teams have some interesting choices: Arizona and Florida both won Championships.

Okay, maybe Tampa Bay does not have any great years in them yet. But just about any other franchise sports at least one team worth throwing into this lot.

Craig
1927 Yankees

[cgiven]

Here is a thought....

Will the American league have a Designated Hitter? So far half of the teams in the AL are pre-DH. The others are more recent.

Not sure if it makes a huge difference, just throwing it out there.

[Trucoug]

There's a bunch of good teams remaining as Craig said:

Mariners- '95,'97 with Randy, Edgar, Buhner, Arod, JR. '99 Garcia's first season

Phillies- Mike Schmidt

Astros- '86

Rangers- 1991 with a young Pudge, young Juan, Nolan Ryan, Palmiero, Ruben Sierra (his good yrs), Kevin Brown, Nolan Ryan.

Twins- 1991 World Champs with Pucket, Hrbek, Gagne, Chilli Davis, Jack Morris, Steve Bedrosian, young Abbot and young Neagle.

Marlins- 1997 world champs

Dbacks- 2001 World Champs.

Astros- '86 Division champs (Nolan Ryan, Jose Cruz SR), '81 Division Champs

KC- World Champs '85 (Brett, Black)

Blue Jays- WC '92 (Olerud, Alomar,Carter, Winfield, Jimmy KEy, Hentgen, Cone,etc), '93 (similar to '92)

Detroit- World Champs '68, '84

Pirates- '79 World Champs. '71 World Champs- Clemente, Stargell

Plus many more.

[cgiven]

Tru and I are going to do a complete run down of each of the divisions and some of the options available to get creative juices flowing.

Join up and play along.

[wazup937]

76 Reds was the best team ever - Why 76 instead of 75 -
In 1976, the Reds had 102 wins, and swept through the post-season, winning seven straight games, including a dramatic ninth-inning, come-from-behind victory over the Phillies in the NLCS, and a four-game sweep of the Yankees. Cincinnati led the Major Leagues in ten offensive, defensive and pitching categories (runs scored, doubles, triples, home runs, batting average, slugging average, stolen bases, fewest errors, fielding percentage and saves), a domination that has never been matched!

They were better in 76

Just my 2 cents!

This is a great idea guys - Thanks for all your work on this!

[cgiven]

Boston - dabruinss selected the 1978 BoSox. Good choice or bad? They get a young Jim Rice and an old Yaz. The Eck as a starter. Let's call it a push. They could have gone back to the teens with Tris Speaker and Smokin Joe Wood. Or just about any time in the 40's and 50's to get Ted Williams.

New York - The Yankees have 26 World Championships. About the only place you could go wrong is before the Babe came to New York. And maybe a few years in the late 80's. cgiven too 1927. Like a fine wine, it ages well.

Tampa Bay - What to say about Tampa Bay. 5 years. 5 times in the basement. You want a challenge in a sea of great teams, here it is. Try 1998 and enjoy Wade Boggs' swan song.

Baltimore - Believe it or not, the O's have been around since the beginning of the AL. But you'd be better off looking at some of the teams of the late '60s and early 70's. Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer. Or try the early '80s with Cal Ripken and Eddie Murray.

Toronto - The easy choice is the early 90's. You have a young Olerud, Alomar and even Jeff Kent. But don't underestimate the team of the mid 80's. Young Jimmy Key, Tony Fernandez and George Bell.

Teams in bold are no longer available.

[cgiven]

Wazup - But all of the players were there in 1975, one year younger. And just as good. The numbers won't translate exactly when this league starts, so I would have erred on getting that extra year our of those players.

[Trucoug]

NL West-

Los Angeles Dodgers- 1956 was chosen with the dynamic duo of young Drysdale and young Koufax leading this team and an aging Jackie to lead the hitters.

San Francisco Giants- '02 NL Champs (Barry Bonds, Kent, Schmidt); '87 Division winner (Will Clark, Candy man, Kevin Mitchell, Kelly Downs); '62 (Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Alou, Marichal, Larsen, Gaylord Perry); '71 Division champs (Mays, Bonds, McCovey, Marichal, Perry)

San Diego Padres- '98 NL Champs (Gwynn, Joyner, Finley, Brown, Ashby); '84 NL Champs (Gwynn, Garvey, Nettles, Bruce Bochy, Goose Gossage) oh what a team.

Arizona D'Backs- '01 World Champs (Randy, Schilling, Grace, Gonzalez). This was definitely their best yr.

Colorado Rockies- Wild Card '95 (Walker, Galarraga, Weiss,
Burks, Reynoso, Swift, Ritz)


NOTE: Teams in Bold are already taken.

[dturkenk]

Wow.. thanks to cgiven and trucong for taking the time to go through the league and provide suggestions.

Great work!

[cgiven]

Detroit - You could take a smattering of teams for the Tiger's history and make them stand up against these other teams. Late 1930's with Hank Greenberg. 1968. 1984. But you gotta like 1907. A 20 year old Ty Cobb with a team that would win the AL the next 3 years.

Kansas City - The Royals have only been around since 1969. But you would only be tempted by the teams of the late 70's and early 80's. George Brett, Hal McRae, Frank White. 1985 World Series team has a 21 year old Bret Saberhagen.

Chicago - The White Sox have a long history. They have had some good teams, but who would not want to see what have happened without the Black Sox scandal. Take the 1917 team that won the World Series, or the 1919 team that threw it.

Cleveland - xnylived could have gone modern with the late 90's team that showed some promise. Or could have gone for 1910 with some great names -- Lajoise, Shoeless Joe, Cy. But they went with the 1954 team with names like Doby, Feller, Wynn. Two series wins in '87 and '91.

Minnesota - The Twins are an interesting pick. You could stay with the Minnesota teams and find Killebrew, Puckett, Knoblauch, Blyleven, Viola all hiding in different years. Or you could be tempted by the woefull Senators franchise who finally had the magical year in 1924. Maybe try to start earlier in the teens when Walter Johnson was still young and winning 36 games a year and see if you can get him more than one ring.

Teams in bold are no longer available.

[cgiven]

Oakland - The only team in the West with a long history. And a bunch of great teams to pick from. Ignoring the great teams of the last three years, you still have the 1989 team with the Bash Brothers (Canseco and McGwire), Or the teams of the early 70's with three straight titles and names like Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue. Then you switch coasts back to the Philadelphia Athletics with great years in '29 and '30 (Cochrane, Foxx, Simmons, Grove). Or before the Purge with the great teams of the early teens (Frank Baker, Eddie Collins, Chief Bender, Eddie Plank). Or the turn of the century with Rube Waddell.

Seattle - A new franchise with some great years under their belt recently. 2001 season with 116 wins. Names like Kid Griffey, Alex Rodriguez, Randy Johnson; all there in 1994.

Anaheim - JokersWild went with the '86. I might have been tempted to go with the 1973 squad which had a young Nolan Ryan.

Texas - The second Washington Senators? Nyah. They stunk. Stick with the Rangers of the late 90's. See if you can get them over the hump and into the World Series. Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Will Clark, Kevin Brown.

Teams in bold are no longer available.

[Trucoug]

Cincinnati Reds- 1976 was selected. (Bench, Griffey SR, Morgan, Rose, Foster) The BIG RED MACHINE!

Houston Astros- '86 Division champs (Nolan Ryan, Jose Cruz SR), '81 Division Champs (Cruz, Ashby, Cedano, Thon, Joe Neikro, Don Sutton, Nolan Ryan, Bob Knepper) the better Astros yr but their record didn't reflect it (61-49)

Chicago Cubs- 1906 NL Champs- arguably the best team in history winning 116 games.

STL Cardinals- 1934 World Series champs. Gas House Gang with Dizzy Dean, Paul Dean, Ripper Collins and Leo Durocher

Milwaukie Brewers- for a good challenge take a chance with the Seattle Pilots of '69; '81 AL East Champs (Cecil Cooper, Yount, Thomas, Molitor, Moose Haas, Rollie Fingers); '82 AL Champs (same as '81 + Bass, Vuckovick, Don Sutton)

Pittsburgh- '79 World Champs(Stargell,Moreno, Parker, Blyleven, Candeleria) ; '71 World Champs- (Clemente, Stargell, Mazeroski); 1909 World Champs ( Honus Wagner 35yrs, Tommy Leach, Left Leifield, Vic Willis, Camnitz)

NOTE- teams in BOLD are no longer available

[Trucoug]

Atlanta Braves- No Yr currently selected. Could go with the '95 Champs or any team in the '90s for that matter (with Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Millwood, Andrew, Chipper);

NY Mets- yr not selected yet. '86 World Champs (Strawberry, Carter, Gooden, Cone, Hernandez); '69 World Champs (Seaver, Ryan, McGraw, Koosman); '62 as suggested by cgiven.

Phillies- So many choices '93 NL Champs, '83 NL Champs (Rose, Morgan, Schmidt, Hayes, Carlton, McGraw, Gross); '80 World Champs (similar team to '83); 1950 NL Champs (Willie Jones, Robin Roberts, Russ Meyers); (sorry bad with early Phills history but there is so, so many good Phillies to choose from)

Marlins- really only 1 good team '97 World Champs (Johnson, Sheffield, Bonnila, Alou, K. Brown, Leiter, Hernandez); or you could take a gamble with the modern day young pitchers.

Montreal Expos- A few good choices '01 ( Colon, Vasquez, Vlad); '96 (young Pedro, Vlad, Urbina) ; '87 (Galarraga, Brooks, Wallach, Neal Heaton, Tim Burke); plus many more.

Note... teams in BOLD are already taken

[Trucoug]

cgiven and I have done the leg work for everyone, now you just have to pick a team and sign up.

Hurry on in so we can get this league started. You're missing out on a truly unique league.

[cavemanx]

Houston

750

I'm too lazy to check back and see if someone outbids me. If somebody wants to spend more than 750 points, they can have 'em.

[jokerswild]

Originally posted by cgiven

1986 Anaheim (California) Angels - A young franchise with few great seasons, and this is one. Reggie Jackson is a highlight. But he, Bob Boone, Bobby Grich and Don Sutton were at the end of their career. Wally Joyner and Chuck Finley are at the start. My Score: 66[/B]

Yes but you also forget some names that were around on that team that might make it this time around.

3B Jack Howell (was widely considered to become the next Mike Schmidt)

2B Mark McLeomore (was slated to become a amazing leadoff hitter at a tough position)

LF Devon White (another speed guy who if anyone remembers was highly coveted by Stiennbrenner)

1B Wally Joyner (already mentioned) In 87 was drawing comparisions to a young Joe Diamaggio with his approach at the plate.

Remember this amazing young pitching staff?

Mike Witt (WOW he was something special)

Ron Romankie (fell off the face of the planet but will he in BMO?)

Kirk McKaskill (Another guy who was extremely special)

All three of these guys were supposed to be aces for the rest of their carrers. And you find them all on the '86 Angels.

Ohhhh yeah and you just finish out the rotation with Don Sutton and the Candyman (John Candelaria)

[Steve41992]

Looks like the 3rd time was a charm after all. 24 hours have passed and the Orioles are mine.

I am going to go with the 1971 squad.

Why 1971 when you could have had the 1970 world champs? The first reason is Pat Dobson. The future 20 game winner joined the O's rotation in 1971 and became one of the FOUR guys to post 20 wins for them that year. The second reason is Bobby Grich and Don Baylor. Both guys made their debuts late in the 1970 season and might not be included in the 4/1/1970 database. The final reason is Frank Robinson, as 1971 is his final year with the O's. Net, 1971 is the best bet to get solid production out of Dobson, Robinson, Grich, and Baylor.

Who is on the squad?

* Grizzled veterans - Mike Cuellar, Frank Robinson, Brooks Robinson
* In their prime - Boog Powell, Davey Johnson, Pat Dobson, Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Eddie Watt
* Youngsters - Bobby Grich, Don Baylor

What is the outlook?

Starting pitching and defense will be a major strength for this team, but scoring runs might be a problem. Carrying defense-first guys up the middle (SS Mark Belanger, C Ellie Hendricks, CF Paul Blair) might lead to a bunch of low scoring losses.

[wazup937]

How are you doing contracts????

[ahp]

I bid 200 for the Pittsburg Pirates

[dturkenk]

Originally posted by wazup937
How are you doing contracts????

Contracts will be set according to the values specified by the BBM2k4 CD version. It generally prices players as they would be paid in today's game.

[dturkenk]

We've got 14 teams in... 2 pending (Houston and Pittsburgh).

Let's try to get the other 14 this week.

The following teams remain:

Toronto Blue Jays
Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers
Montreal Expos
Florida Marlins
Milwaukee Brewers
Colorado Rockies
San Diego Padres
Arizona Diamondbacks
San Francisco Giants


Get your favorite team while they're still available!

[Trucoug]

Here is the updated info for the league so far. There are still quite a few teams available that are good. For those teams that are looking for a team year, take a look at the team by team run downs that cgiven and I did in the previous posts, for suggestions.



NABL Historical
Teams Taken
GM Team YR Price
Trucoug Dodgers 1956 975
cgiven Yankees 1927 1350
xnylived Indians 1954 700
dabruinss RedSox 1978 1125
JokersWild Angels 1986 300
dejapooh Mets 1962 250
jibnib Cardinals 1934 500
wazup937 Reds 1976 325
Monteral GM Braves 1995 250
chitown Cubs 1906 200
Schaefling As 1929 200
steve41992 Orioles 1971 200
dturkenk whitesox ???? 200
ahp Pirates 1960 200
cavemanx Astros ???? 750
Sharkx?? Phillies 1993 200
Bighurt1130 Blue Jays 1993 200
Detroittigers Tigers 1935 200
Tordman Royals 1985 200
jeffw75 Mariners 1996 200
metdenn Giants 1962 200

Teams Pending
Your name here D-Rays ???? ???
Your name here Twins ???? ???
Your name here Rangers ???? ???
Your name here Expos ???? ???
Your name here Marlins ???? ???
Your name here Brewers ???? ???
Your name here Rockies ???? ???
Your name here Padres ???? ???
Your name here D-Backs ???? ???



BTW, please PM me if anything is incorrect or needs to be updated.

[Monteral GM]

The Braves will go with the 1995 Champion Team.

[dejapooh]

The Mets are from the year 1962.

Hows them for ablls?

[dejapooh]

actually, I looked at the different rosters and saw no domanant team. I decided if I was going to built, I might as well build from nothing (and being in New York, I should have the $ to get the players I need to improve on that 1962 record pretty quick.

[dturkenk]

Wow. I am impressed... of course you'll be flooding the league with a bunch of crappy players :)

just to confirm though - you longer want the 1985 team?

[ahp]

the 1960 pirates

[Schaefling]

I choose the 1929 World Champion Athletics team managed and owned by Connie Mack.

[Bighurt1130]

I bid 200 pts for the Toronto Franchise

[dturkenk]

After talking to a few owners, I've decided to change the rule regarding multiple instances of a player. If two players have been chosen (for example Frank Robinson with the Reds and the Orioles), then I'll create Frank Robinson 71 and Frank Robinson 76.


I'm opening up the possibilty for any owner to change their team selection based on this new rule. Just contact me or post your new team in the thread if you like.

[tordman]

200 for the Royals

[Detroittigers]

if there are... I would like the 1935 tigers. Bid? Shoots! whats fair? Let me know!

Detroit tigers

[Trucoug]

Originally posted by Detroittigers
if there are... I would like the 1935 tigers. Bid? Shoots! whats fair? Let me know!

Detroit tigers

Why don't you start with 200, like the rest of the teams. Odds are, you will get the Tigers for that. Good Luck

[Detroittigers]

Bid 200! Tigers 1935

detroittigers

[jeffw75]

Bid 200 for Seattle

[tordman]

24 hours, I'll take the '85 Royals

[metdenn]

Nye Giants, a 200 points.

[Bighurt1130]

Just something I have been thinking about, for this league, since each team is picking a team from a certain year I was wondering about the following details

What size of stadium will be used? From this I mean that obviously GMs who have picked teams in the early 1900s their stadiums hold less people than they do now. As well, as the years go on, teams have changed stadiums, increase the amount of people in the stadiums etc etc

Fan Loyalty. I know from my perspective this is a huge thing. I am (hopefully) the GM of Toronto and the year I am looking at using is 1993. Obviously the enthusiam and attendance then was a complete 180 from what it is now. So am I going to suffer having a team from 1993 but the fan loyalty of a Toronto team from 2003?

Also, what about per capita income. This might just be getting to nit picky but I have nothing else to occupy my mind. This follows the same train of thought with my previous point. Is in income going to be based on the year choosen for that team or is it going to be at current levels?

Just some thoughts if someone could answer them that would be great

[cavemanx]

I don't speak for the commish, but I presume all the logistics will come from the current BMO climate.

[Trucoug]

From what the Commish has told me, the stadium info will be of that era. For example, I selected the 56 Dodgers. The stadium and fan loyalty will be based on that year and what stadium they are in.
As for the income levels, I can only guess. My educated guess would say that it would be from current day income of the cities for the 2003 database. This way the teams would be going by a consistent income level. Rather than a 1920s compared to a 1995 income.

[Sharkx]

I have decied to go with the Working Class Slobs of the 1993 Championship Phillies... Kruk, Daulton and Dykstra... WILD THING!!!

[jeffw75]

Looks like I got Seattle I'll take the 96 team even though I want F. Garcia pretty bad

[tordman]

Don't mean to be a pain, but could you update the status of the league? I have to get ready to quit one of my leagues in order to join this one.

Open teams left? Estimated start date?

Thanks, I'm not rushing, just curious.

[dturkenk]

Thanks again Trucong for keeping this up-to-date as work keeps me away from the computer for long stretches of time.

To answer the question about time periods, I'm going to use the stadium and the fan loyalty from the year you chose as Trucong said. Per capita income and all other economic factors (like city population) will be from 2003 since I think it would skew things way in favor of the newer teams otherwise.


In regards to our start time, we need to fill the league (or just about) before we start because the team selection can only occur at the beginning. I think I'll give it till about Wednesday to see where we are and then just assume we'll start with computer teams (I'll pick the seasons with input from some of the players). Then I'll need a couple of days to set up the database and run some tests, and then I can send it to BBM to set up the league rosters. I think it's probably a least a week and a half before we start - although the more recruiting you guys do, the sooner we can go :)

[Chipper_Jones]

I would like to make a bid of 200 pts on the 1970 Minnesota Twins :)

[lucidi35]

I would like to bid 200pts on the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks

[Trucoug]

Here is the current status of the league. There are still some good teams and years remaining. Come stake your claim with one of the best teams in MLB history.
we should be starting in about 2 weeks, give or take a couple days. This is depending upon how fast we can get a few GMs interested.



NABL Historical
Teams Taken
GM Team YR Price
Trucoug Dodgers 1956 975
cgiven Yankees 1927 1350
xnylived Indians 1954 700
dabruinss RedSox 1978 1125
JokersWild Angels 1986 300
dejapooh Mets 1962 250
jibnib Cardinals 1934 500
wazup937 Reds 1976 325
Monteral GM Braves 1995 250
chitown Cubs 1906 200
Schaefling As 1929 200
steve41992 Orioles 1971 200
dturkenk whitesox ???? 200
ahp Pirates 1960 200
cavemanx Astros ???? 750
Sharkx?? Phillies 1993 200
Bighurt1130 Blue Jays 1993 200
Detroittigers Tigers 1935 200
Tordman Royals 1985 200
jeffw75 Mariners 1996 200
metdenn Giants 1962 200
Chipper_Jones Twins 1970 200
lucidi35 D-Backs 2001 200
secandido Marlins 1997 200

Teams Pending
Your name here D-Rays ???? ???
Your name here Rangers ???? ???
Your name here Expos ???? ???
Your name here Brewers ???? ???
Your name here Rockies ???? ???
Your name here Padres ???? ???

[dturkenk]

7 teams left... I'd like to try to fill at least 2 more of these before I start creating the league.

So if you know anyone who wants to join the first historical league in BBMO, tell them to check out this thread and place a bid.

[Bighurt1130]

Any word on when we might be starting?

[dturkenk]

I'll be making the DB changes this weekend - sim through them a bit and see where any problems are. I hope to send the rosters to SM in the middle to the end of next week.

[wazup937]

When and where can we sign on to be part of the league I only have one team and the league I am in now is going down the toilet and I need to sign up somewhere???

[khan]

Are there any teams left?

[jeffw75]

D-Rays
Rangers
Expos
Brewers
Rockies
Padres

These teams are still left
Go ahead and bid on the one you want

[ahp]

How close are we to starting?

[dturkenk]

I created the database this weekend (with the exception of one team I need to change) and simmed 20 seasons with it. It came out pretty well although some of the ERAs in the first few seasons were a little high.

I think there's a new patch for the CD version that I want to download for it before I re-run the sims. However, I should be able to get those done in a relatively short time frame.

Now, here's the bad news. I've been setting the league up on my laptop. Friday, my power supply went kaput (it actually started smoking). I've put in a call for another one, which will hopefully be arriving tomorrow. Until that point though, my laptop is only of limited use.

So the moral of the story is - as soon as my laptop gets fixed, I need 1, maybe 2 more days - then the league will be on its way to SM.

[ahp]

Outstanding
thanks for the update
just cant wait to try my new team

[dabruinss]

will we be able to join our teams yet

[dabruinss]

will we be able to join our teams yet

[dturkenk]

The league is open - you may join as the teams you've selected.

The name is: NABL Historical
The password is: history

I will post the rules and other information in the forum at some point today.