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Bad_Ash
10-25-2001, 09:35 PM
In the NABL league Bobby Abreu won the Triple Crown quite handily and yet the sport's writers didn't vote him as the MVP. I just found this to be unbelievable, if someone won the Triple Crown in these times they it would be a unanimous vote.

BBM
10-25-2001, 10:03 PM
Who was the MVP that season?? Was he a pitcher or a batter? what was his stats?

takaplan
10-25-2001, 10:06 PM
Here's the comparison:

Abreu: .346, 43 HR, 142 RBI, .680 SLG
Winner (Sean Casey): .341, 31 HR, 106 RBI, .577 SLG

Remember, it's most VALUABLE player, and Abreu led St. Louis to a World Series championship.

Right now, the awards are a joke...ROY is even worse.

Tom

BBM
10-25-2001, 10:19 PM
That was heck of a difference, how could bobby lose MVP to a guy that is so much weaker??? Hope Clay or James or Ian can fix this problem soon.

Bad_Ash
10-25-2001, 10:48 PM
Not to mention Abreu led the league in runs scored, OBP, SLG, and PRO. He also was 2nd in triples and stole 22 bases.

drew
10-25-2001, 11:02 PM
Remember, it's Most Valuable Player, not best player. If a player can guide a team to the playoffs and farther, he will more likely be chosen as MVP. But I agree that ROY is a joke. It definitely needs to be fixed and should have 50 innings or 150 ABs to qualify

ervinn
10-28-2001, 01:41 AM
I agree with most of what you wrote drew but I believe MVP should be awarded to the Most Valuable Player in the Regular Season. As far as I know, Major League Baseball has always awarded their seasonal awards based on regular season performance. There are/should be seperate awards for the playoffs.

drew
10-28-2001, 07:07 AM
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I said that the MVP canidate should help his team get TO the postseason, not THROUGH it

ervinn
10-28-2001, 02:57 PM
There was a breakdown in communication, but it's all harmless. I'll show you why I misunderstood what you meant. It's now just symantecs but I don't feel I misunderstood though.

drew, in your last post you wrote...

I said that the MVP canidate should help his team get TO the postseason, not THROUGH it

History:

The Most Valuable Player Award honors the individual who made the greatest contribution to his team's success. Each year, members of the Baseball Writers Association of America (BBWAA) select one recipient for each league. Only once, in 1979, have two players shared the award. That year, Willie Stargell of the Pittsburgh Pirates and Keith Hernandez of the St. Louis Cardinals shared the National League award. Prior to 1931, Major League Baseball honored the best of each league with League Awards (1922-1929) and the Chalmers Award (1911-1914).

Controversy has surrounded the award since its inception. Officially, the award honors the most valuable player of each league. However, each voting member of the BBWAA is free to define 'Most Valuable Player' by his or her own definition. Many writers believe that the most valuable player must contribute significantly to the achievement of a successful season. By their definition, the MVP recipient must have played for a team that was a legitimate contender for a post-season berth. Others believe that the MVP award should honor the player who made the greatest contribution to his team regardless of his teams final standing.

Another controversy that surrounds the MVP award is the eligibility of pitchers. Since the creation of the Cy Young Memorial Award in 1956, many voting members of the BBWAA have refused to vote for pitchers. According to their definition of the MVP award, only an everyday position player can contribute significantly to the everyday success of a team.

In the post prior to that you (drew) wrote...

If a player can guide a team to the playoffs and farther, he will more likely be chosen as MVP.

I believe regular season contributions alone should be considered for the award. The balloting should be done after the regular season ends but before the playoffs start so that nothing ..."farther"... is considered. Simply, it's just too difficult to know a player will guide his team farther than the playoffs at the end of the regular season.

It wasn't just you drew so don't feel I'm picking on you. takaplan also wrote...

Remember, it's most VALUABLE player, and Abreu led St. Louis to a World Series championship.

As I said above and as was indicated in the history of the award, it's regular season contributions that are considered; leading St. Louis to a World Series Championship should never be a consideration for the MVP award -- unless there is a World Series MVP award, but that award should be considered seperately.

Thanks for reading. I hope I was able to be helpful as well as clear up my message.

Cheers,

Ervin