Dump & Run Warning: Skitzer

[takaplan]

Just to let everyone know...

We had a GM leave their team going into debt...they were the Cubs and left their team in last place while losing lots of money and in debt.

This GM was Skitzer. He abruptly quit EML once he got into debt and his team is doomed :(

I don't know if he/she did this on purpose...but it's not very nice.

[ASchatz]

This is also destined to happen until the Chicago (N) revenue problem is fixed. I did something similar in a beta league because the current Cubs roster is incompatible with Baseball Mogul's program.

[takaplan]

That's not true, ASchatz.

The fact that Chicago has a low amount of revenue has nothing to do with it.

It's not like it says 450 for budget, while your real budget is only 200.

When you sign up for Chicago, you know that it is a low budget team, and is not treated fairly in the Mogul Points.

Skitzer probably meant no harm. I am not implying that he is a rotten GM, just that we should try and avoid quitting and leaving teams in debt.

Tom

[Slugger222]

I disagree with you about Chicago, takaplan. I think that most people take it believing it to be a tier 2 team as it is on the chart.

After all, it's Chicago! Third largest city in the nation!

They are then very surprised when it only genterates the revenue of tier 4 or 5 club, and they have to sell off the only player they really care about (Sammy Sosa) just to keep in the black.

Frustrated, then they bail.

I've never played it personally, but from reading the posts, I think this is a fairly accurate scenario.

[Cipster]

It's a very accurate assesment. Chicago gets no fan loyalty whatsoever. When the season starts you have two great comodities: Sosa and Kerry Wood. They are both in their contract years and you certanly can't afford to resign them. You also have two huge liabilities: Matt Stairs and Rondell White signed to big long term contracts. Your payroll has to stay around 200 which means that Stairs and White gobble up 15-20% of your payroll. Actually Stairs, White and Hundley are signed long term for 51 points which means 25-30% of your salary tied up in old players. With the salaries they have it is impossible to break even the first year. I just checked in some of the public leagues and Chicago's revenue is in the mid 300's. Their starting salaries are just over 300. This means you can spend squat on medical scouting or the farm unless you want to lose money.
For some reason the fans don't show up and there is "no lovable losers we still love to go to Wrigley" sentiment.
I managed Chicago for 5 seasons and it was a struggle to stay afloat. You have to have a firesale at the beginning of the 2001 season to survive and that is disheartening.

[takaplan]

I know Chicago N is a tough team...

But what I am saying is that he/she should have asked the commish for help, or at least posted saying they couldn't handle it.

Instead, they bailed, leaving the team in debt.

[kohut]

If Sportsmogul would take my advicee and split up East and West Chicago where The Cubs are in the west and Sox are in the East and give htem different fan bases this problem would be solved and we'd all be happy campers.

[takaplan]

Clay has been working on spliting up Chicago and raising the Cubs revenue. Spliting Chicago is hardly an original idea...I believe Bad Ash proposed it a month or two ago when he posted the tiers using the average revenue in NABL, All-Star, and Mogul Enthusiast (I think).

Tom

[kohut]

That is highly unlikely Thomas since I detailed the plan with James already on how to appropriately proportion an increase of revenue for the Chicago Cubs which required an increase in fan base.

[Bad_Ash]

I can't take credit for proposing a plan to increase CHN revenue, I merely stated that CHN, DET, and TB in particular don't make revenue in proportion to their tier ranking based on my study of revenue in NABL, All-Star Mogul, and Mogul Enthusiast.

Pertaining to tier ranking and revenue, my COL team in NPL is not making anywhere near what their current tier ranking parameters illustrate according the help file. COL was recently dropped down to a tier 3 team, yet my COL team in NPL has finished in the top 5 in revenue every season of the league, including 2nd in revenue 3 times, and 1st in revenue once. They have made over 700 points in revenue 5 straight seasons (league is in its 6th season). For what it matters COL has won 100+ games every season, 110+ games 5 straight seasons (including one season with 125 wins), with 2 World Series appearances and 1 championship. Should this revenue be possible with a tier 3 team? Is Colorado really a tier 3 team?

[kohut]

Colorado is Tier 3 in the sense that if you are a shitty GM you will not generate as muich revenune. They start out with an A+ fan loyalty as do Cleveland. But if you stink up the joint you cna drop to a D- or F (dont know if F works even) and you will suffer in revenue. I was down to 450 in NABL when I tookover Colorado.

[Clay Dreslough]

As I have posted a new database, any NEW leagues will now have teams more accurately adjusted to their Tier ratings.

We don't yet have an interface to edit teams like CHN in EXISTING leagues.

Clay

[steven0560]

I've got the National league chicago team. When i picked them up I figured them to have a strong fan base. They do not. And the first thing I did was to get rid of Sosa. You have to get payroll down to around 200 and as soon a s player wants more money, he must be dumped. But I notice that with a lot of teams. It just seems to be worse in Chicago. I hope to keep them going, but I'm not sure it's possible. :)

[exep]

When I began playing in the Beta leagues I at first assumed it was much the same as the CD version. I was really surprised when much of my Anaheim team became free agents after the playoffs. I also had difficulty judging the value of points and overextended myself on payroll with Chicago A. By the time Baltimore came around I had began to work it out. Still, when I moved on to invitational leagues I left one team in debt, one broke but solvent, and one in good shape. They could all play baseball but I messed up the financial bits. This must happen to others as well. Could we have a bankruptcy rule? In that way a player could take over not in complete debt, even if the team were trimmed to fit the new budget.