ranking question

[klousia]

A new owner asked me a question... and the help section is not clear and the previous forum discussions don't answer it directly in his opnion.

How does BBMO determine ranking? Does it go by the total number of sims in a year you are ranked at #1 or does it take the total number of points spent in a year and then determine rank?

[stealthdog666]

It determines your average rank over the 6 month season. If you are ranked #3 in farm the first 3 months and #4 in farm the last 3 months, your overall ranking is 3.5. At least that is what I was told.

[klousia]

who told you?

[willat]

I think that you are ranked by the total amount of points that you spend during a season on each catagory. Spending 10 points on 10 sims is the same as spending 100 points on one sim. If anyone knows different, I'd like to hear it.

[21C]

From the help pages ( under Annual Budget ) :
http://www-2.sportsmogul.com/bb/Help/Expenses.htm


Note that the 'Rank' column simply shows how your team's current expense level ranks compared to the rest of the league. When measuring the strength of your team's Farm System, Scouting or Medical Staff, the game uses your expense level over the last year (and this ranking is recorded secretly by the game). As an example, in order to be assured of having the best Farm System in the league, you need to be ranked #1 in this area for a year or more.

[Craigrrs]

The number of points do not matter. If you spend 10 points each sim and it says you are #1 the whole time.... then you are number one...

If you are in #1 for half of the sims and in last for how of the sims then you rank is #15...

Rank is all that matters, number of points do not...

[klousia]

Where did you get this information Craigrrs?

[willat]

So, you are saying that if team "A" spends 100 points for ten sims (total 1000) and team "B" spends 50 on nine sims and 900 on one (total 1350), team "A" will be ranked ahead of "B"? Is this documented somewhere, it seems a little backward?

[Craigrrs]

The points don't matter... only rank

example

Team A

First Sim 100 points, Rank 1 (for that sim, not overall)
2nd Sim 100 points, Rank 1
3rd Sim 100 points, Rank 1
4th Sim 100 points, Rank 1
5th Sim 100 points, Rank 2


Team B

First Sim 50 points, Rank 15 (for that sim, not overall)
2nd Sim 50 points, Rank 15
3rd Sim 50 points, Rank 15
4th Sim 50 points, Rank 15
5th Sim 999 points, Rank1

Just because team B has invested more total points... he would still not be in first because team A has had more sims Ranked #1.

[kaill]

Craigrrs is correct, Clay and other sportsmogul personnel have said several times in the forums that this is the way it works. The passage 21C quoted also states this in unambiguous terms: "to be assured of having the best Farm System in the league, you need to be ranked #1 in this area for a year or more."

[Craigrrs]

actaully.... I was under the impression that it did not matter year to year... each year was seperate from the next...

[kaill]

I've gotten mixed messages about that as well - I originally thought it was over two years, but was told that it was one. I generally just act cautiously (ie, assume that my rankings are slightly less than I think they really should be).

[klousia]

Kaill, the question is, how do you get ranked #1 for a year?
The help section is very unclear. Does it count the number of sims at #1 or does it count total spending over a year?

Craigrrs.. where did you get that information? It doesn't appear to be posted in that way in any of the forums.

[kaill]

It is RANKING. Points have nothing to do with it. This is not ambiguous. The league averages your ratings for either one year or two years, and forms an uber-rating with your ratings average. The team with the highest uber-rating has the #1 scouting, the next team is #2, and so on.
Repeat, amount of points spent is not relevant. Ranking, not points.

[Craigrrs]

Originally posted by klousia
Does it count the number of sims at #1 or does it count total spending over a year?


It counts the number of sims at #1 basicially...or whatever rank you are.


It has been posted before.. I forget where. I think it is just common knowledge at this point...

[klousia]

I've read every posting on this subject and no where except here does it say that your ranking for the year is determined determined by the number of sims you have been ranked #1.
They do say rank not point value is important but they don't say how you rank is determined.

[Craigrrs]

it's not just how many at #1.... its hows many at any rank...


half of the sims at #1... and half at #30... you will be ranked #15 at the end of the year...

add up your ranked at each sim... from 1 to 30... and then divide by the total number of sims. And that is your rank... simple as that..

[klousia]

I understand what you mean. The question I am asking is where is it posted that you are correct? I can't find anything that says your rank for the year is determined by your rank each sim.

[kaill]

As Craigrrs said, it's common knowledge.
Also, in the "Expenses" section of the "Help" page, there is the passage quoted above which states that it is your rank which matters.

[klousia]

Unfortunately "common knowledge" doesn't help the new owners. How it became "common knowledge" is open to question when people say it has been posted and a search doesn't bear that out. The help section doesn't say how rank for the year is determined. In fact the new owner in our league says it proves the exact opposite of what you are saying. His argument is logically very valid.

A posting from one of the official people clearly stating how it is determined would be very helpful to the new owners.

[jokerswild]

I was asked to come in here and clear up any confussion. The total amount spent does not effect directly how good your farm system is. If everyone in the league spent 999 points on farm everyone will be equal, it does not mean that you will have 30 teams with amazing prospects or development. This is how it works........

Every team has their total amount spent in farm for the last season (start date is exactly one year ago). This is your actual total. So if one team started out in first with 100 points in spending, then went down to 0 after a third of a season then back up to 50 for the last third of the season the actual spending for the last season is 50 points. If team B spends 50 points throughout then they will be rated exactly the same overall. Your current ranking only helps you try to keep your position throughout. This is why you won't see immediate effects of sudden improvements in any area.

Also I would like to put to bed the theory that offseason rankings help you, this is not true. If you are spending 999 points in each area throughout the offseason (when points are not actually deducted) then it will not effect you. The total added up is the amount which was actually spent.

I hope this is easy to understand. Thanks a ton.

[DaveHorn]

LOL, Klousia. First time I wandered into this forum since our little IM discussion. Maybe its all urban legend and we all think we know. :)