Politics (was "Permission Request")

[williethebasset]

Commish, with your permission could I have a political thread?

Honestly, if people dont want to read it than they shouldnt look at it.

[williethebasset]

HERE IS POST 1900!

[williethebasset]

Response please?

[kingmob]

since the subject of pat tillman has been raised about how brave he was fighting those evil-doer terrorists in afghanistan ...and about how he got the silver star for bravely leading his men.....one problem.....some dumb-arse on his own fire team killed him by mistake......and since he was the football hero turned ranger of course the pentagon turned his death into a propaganda recruiting drive......just one more lie in the pile of lies that americans are bombbarded with every day....how can anyone believe anything coming out of cia controlled media?
tillman died via friendly fire (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529tillman29.html)

afghan soldier says 2 units became confused and started shooting randomly (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5088646/)

[kaill]

I fail to see how this fact a) changes the fact that he got killed while fighting for his country, b) has anything to do with the fact that he got a silver star, and c) reflects a lie at all. He died in combat. It wasn't like he was shot in the mess hall. What the he11 is your point?

Look, I'm as anti-Bush as anyone, and I'm not even American - so don't accuse me of any jingoistic propaganda. But really, this is just offensive for no reason.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by kaill
I fail to see how this fact a) changes the fact that he got killed while fighting for his country, b) has anything to do with the fact that he got a silver star, and c) reflects a lie at all. He died in combat. It wasn't like he was shot in the mess hall. What the he11 is your point?

Look, I'm as anti-Bush as anyone, and I'm not even American - so don't accuse me of any jingoistic propaganda. But really, this is just offensive for no reason.

my point is that they lied about the whole incident ...what other soldier that gets killed accidently gets a posthumous promotion and a silver star for a battle that didnt happen.....its just sad that the pentagon used his death for pure propaganda purposes....thats my point.....wow i guess the truth is offensive these days......
it wasnt just pat tillman either ...remember how jessica lynch supposedly fought the iraqis till her gun jammed and then was shot and stabbed?....when in truth her humvee smacked a jackknifed tanker truck.....she was up for a congressional medal of honor .....again pure propaganda

[williethebasset]

ummm King... this is not the first story we want to discuss here.

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
since the subject of pat tillman has been raised about how brave he was fighting those evil-doer terrorists in afghanistan ...and about how he got the silver star for bravely leading his men.....one problem.....some dumb-arse on his own fire team killed him by mistake......and since he was the football hero turned ranger of course the pentagon turned his death into a propaganda recruiting drive......just one more lie in the pile of lies that americans are bombbarded with every day....how can anyone believe anything coming out of cia controlled media?
tillman died via friendly fire (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529tillman29.html)

afghan soldier says 2 units became confused and started shooting randomly (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5088646/)

King you seem like a smart man but do you have any common sense at all???? How stupid can you be to even bring up this subject again. If he did die from FF let it be and stop talking about it.

[williethebasset]

My story.

Miramax has bought the Fahrenheit 9/11 video from Michael Moore and will be distributing it, of course, the right's attempt to block the movie was similar to that of stopping Al Frankens book, [u]Lies, and the Lying Liars[/b]. I will be seeing the movie, and I highly recomend that others see the movie.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
My story.

Miramax has bought the Fahrenheit 9/11 video from Michael Moore and will be distributing it, of course, the right's attempt to block the movie was similar to that of stopping Al Frankens book, [u]Lies, and the Lying Liars. I will be seeing the movie, and I highly recomend that others see the movie. [/B]

his movie will show the link between the bush and bin laden families(they vacation together).....but moore's whole solution is to bring in the un to combat an evil neo-con cabal....which is BS....if ya wanna see a real documentery ...see this film...following snipet from ny post page6

NOTHING NEW

MICHAEL Moore's anti-Bush film "Fahrenheit 9/11" isn't even original. Two years ago, "9/11: The Road to Tyranny," a real documentary by Alex Jones, had most of the "facts" Moore uses in his scatter-shot diatribe. Jones, who is less interested in making money than the self-aggrandizing Moore, released his film for free on his Web site www.infowars.com, where it drew legions of new fans, including producer Curt Johnson, who is hiring Jones as a consultant on a political action thriller titled "Wake Up."

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
King you seem like a smart man but do you have any common sense at all???? How stupid can you be to even bring up this subject again. If he did die from FF let it be and stop talking about it.

ummm because it was front and center on drudge today and it is news....this whole incident disgusts me because of the media's protrayal of tillman as the reincarnation of audie murphy....

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
ummm because it was front and center on drudge today and it is news....this whole incident disgusts me because of the media's protrayal of tillman as the reincarnation of audie murphy....

I caught that on the news this morining, what liars. It truly dusgusts me that only now its released that it was friendly fire. Now, I think that maybe more people have died, but the media isnt picking up on it, and of course they cant see the coffin count on TV, because they are not allowed there. I find that appaling.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Hash1
King you seem like a smart man but do you have any common sense at all???? How stupid can you be to even bring up this subject again. If he did die from FF let it be and stop talking about it.

Friendly Fire killed tillman (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-05-29-tillman-death_x.htm)

Its not "probably" its definate.

[Scorey1974]

Please fellas....let's stick to baseball or sports related topics....I have had PM requests for this thread to be shut down because it offends some members....Thank you....Scorey

[Hash1]

yea srry bout those comments king... I know your smart but imo it would of been best to not have brought up tillman again on the boards since the last time this happened some people took it offensive

[Hash1]

just to note i didnt send any pms to scorey

[williethebasset]

My plan for america (feel free to post your ownand comment on mine)

here is my plan for america if I had the power that the far-right has in controling the country.

Business
End all government business to corporations that outsource, use offshore tax shelters, or undertake in questionable practices such as manufacturing goods offshore to be sold in the US, or doing business or its subsidiary (outside of approved dealings)in any country that does not grant its citizens a clear democratic rule
End all tax credits, and for-profit management for any research regarding medicine, energy, and military.
End the for-profit management,control, or ownership and control of healthcare, military, water, methods transportation (such as roads, highways, rail, power lines, waterways etc.)food, and educational services

Education and Health
Use federal funding to give all prek-12 schools and hospitals/medical centers equal funds, with adjustments in regards to regional costs. This [federal funding]is to be the only source of funding for any of these institutions
Establish national healthcare for everyone





I need to get off, I'll fnish later

[Dabs]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Please fellas....let's stick to baseball or sports related topics....I have had PM requests for this thread to be shut down because it offends some members....Thank you....Scorey

thank you very much scorey

[kingmob]

well....ok so i guess i will just take my govt. prozac, eat my govt. cheese, watch my govt. produced tv shows, worship at my govt. ran church, worship with god like frenzy my favorite gladatorial event gladiator, pay my fair share to ceaser and shut the fvck up.....y'all happy?

[kaill]

Or, you could skip all of that, and just keep your politics out of the bbmo forums.

[Dabs]

Originally posted by kaill
Or, you could skip all of that, and just keep your politics out of the bbmo forums.


:D :D :D that was funny

[kingmob]

politics? lol ...its really an issue of media manipulation and propaganda......here in the new amerika

[the3rdwiseman]

If you hate amerika so much, why don't you move to Canada, or some other country. If it's that intolorable to you, it is in your power to change your circumstances.

Otherwise, you can always vote in your government controlled elections. You do have a voice, I just think you might be wasting it here. For the most part, all I've seen you do is outrage people here against you. Stick to the PMs with Willie, since he's interested.

I too find the dragging up of the Tillman incident as offensive. It's not a good choice of subject for a sounding board. Also, it's unfair to classify the soldier who may have shot him as a dumb-ars. Combat is unpredictable, and accident are inevitable. These people aren't playing with foam bats. If someone is trying to kill you, you do what you can to make them stop. If that means shooting them, you do it. And don't try to tell me I haven't been in the situation and don't know what I'm talking about. I've been there.

btw, I happen to think Gov't Cheese tastes good. Bad intentions be damned!

[kingmob]

i love my country thats why i speak like i do.....my family emigrated here in 1949 because of the nazis.....and lo and behold in 2004 we've become the nazis....with secret police...patriot acts 1 and 2 and 3 down the pike......we now have a 100 yrs. war against fake terrorists called al-CIAda....they say everyday to give up your rights for protection against terrorism....so just wave your plastic made in china amerikan flag and pay $3 a gallon for gas ....and keep telling yourself the govt. is doing the right thing.....i dont believe im wasting my voice ...i just dont want to see my country dragged into the abyss of ****.....its not a future i would want for my kids and grandkids.....thats all....i know its a game forum.....but i mean do y'all truly believe that everything is hunky dorry and we should believe in the govt. when its proven to be treasonous?

[the3rdwiseman]

First of all, I've never said that I think the Government is doing the right thing. Don't put words in my mouth.

Second, I pay $2 a gallon for gas.

Third, I don't think we are being dragged into the abyss of ****. I just don't see that many people moving to Wisconsin (yea, I live in Minnesota. What!)

Fourth, I wear my Amercian Flag on my shoulder.

Fifth, I think you need to have more faith in the American people as a whole. Regardless of what anybody might think, a lot of power resides with the common citizen. Our government has many installed checks and balances, and sooner or later, those with bad intentions will have to pay.

Last, we are not the Nazis.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
First of all, I've never said that I think the Government is doing the right thing. Don't put words in my mouth.

Second, I pay $2 a gallon for gas.

Third, I don't think we are being dragged into the abyss of ****. I just don't see that many people moving to Wisconsin (yea, I live in Minnesota. What!)

Fourth, I wear my Amercian Flag on my shoulder.

Fifth, I think you need to have more faith in the American people as a whole. Regardless of what anybody might think, a lot of power resides with the common citizen. Our government has many installed checks and balances, and sooner or later, those with bad intentions will have to pay.

Last, we are not the Nazis.

1.ok sorry

2. you will be ....with the massive influx of new war money the federal reserve has created ....we will be faced with massive inflation....inflation is the hidden tax we all pay...

3. i do think we are headed for the pits of ****.....according to the media talking heads torture is good as long as were doing the torturing....

4. i fly my flag upside down .....which means a nation under distress

5. yeah i have faith in the american people to do whats right......but what im sensing is that most people dont really care as long as they got tv to watch and can drink a beer.....as far as checks and balances go u can throw them out the window....with new post 911 legislation the govt. has the power to secretly arrest and execute any one they feel like.....i think the military will mutiny before too long most of the top brass are sick of whats being down to our military.....if they do mutiny i think the bush cabal will be brought up before a military tribunal and dealt with like the traitors they are

6. nazis preemptively attacked countries in the name of security....isnt that what we've done?....nazis tortured people....isnt that what were doing?.......nazis were after empire....isnt that what weve become...an empire.....with troops in 130+ countries i think we've become an empire in lieu of the democratic republic that we are fastly losing......hitler was elected ya know.....twice

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
1.ok sorry

haha, I made you say sorry!

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
6. nazis preemptively attacked countries in the name of security....isnt that what we've done?....nazis tortured people....isnt that what were doing?.......nazis were after empire....isnt that what weve become...an empire.....with troops in 130+ countries i think we've become an empire in lieu of the democratic republic that we are fastly losing......hitler was elected ya know.....twice

Yea, but we haven't invaded France.... yet. And isn't that were all Empires start?

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
5. yeah i have faith in the american people to do whats right......but what im sensing is that most people dont really care as long as they got tv to watch and can drink a beer.....as far as checks and balances go u can throw them out the window....with new post 911 legislation the govt. has the power to secretly arrest and execute any one they feel like.....i think the military will mutiny before too long most of the top brass are sick of whats being down to our military.....if they do mutiny i think the bush cabal will be brought up before a military tribunal and dealt with like the traitors they are


I'll reply to this one in a minute. First, I'm gonna go grab a beer and watch the rest of this Gov't controlled NFL Europe game. I'd tell you what teams were playing, but it's FOOTBALL! I don't care who's playing!

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
2. you will be ....with the massive influx of new war money the federal reserve has created ....we will be faced with massive inflation....inflation is the hidden tax we all pay...

Well, lucky for me, the cost of racing fuel hasn't gone up much. And really, that's all this Ignorant Red-Neck cares about. And I pull that car with my Cummins Diesel. Also cheaper.
Hmm, beer empty.

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
4. i fly my flag upside down .....which means a nation under distress

Would that be one of those plastic made in china amerikan flags?

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
3. i do think we are headed for the pits of ****.....according to the media talking heads torture is good as long as were doing the torturing....

It took me a while to decipher this one. Never underestimate the power of PUNCTUATION!

[the3rdwiseman]

Originally posted by kingmob
5. yeah i have faith in the american people to do whats right......but what im sensing is that most people dont really care as long as they got tv to watch and can drink a beer.....as far as checks and balances go u can throw them out the window....with new post 911 legislation the govt. has the power to secretly arrest and execute any one they feel like.....i think the military will mutiny before too long most of the top brass are sick of whats being down to our military.....if they do mutiny i think the bush cabal will be brought up before a military tribunal and dealt with like the traitors they are

mmmm, Beer.

That reminds me, I need to balance my checkbook.

[Tdks]

Politics in Canada are more fun to debate. So are you all going to vote for that idiot Martin, or for the retarded new Conversative party? How about the NDP, we'll get more stat holidays... and maybe the Green party, they care about the environment... personally, I"m voting for the marijuana party... they have solid ideals and are willing to back them up

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
haha, I made you say sorry!

its all good

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
Yea, but we haven't invaded France.... yet. And isn't that were all Empires start?

no...the romans started in well....rome.....but eventually kicked the gauls arses.......the brits kicked there arses......the nazis kicked there arses.....(they invaded poland first...my family barely survived and an aunt i never knew starved to death as an infant)
...but anyway...the usa is an empire now....with lord bush in charge...sort-a

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
I'll reply to this one in a minute. First, I'm gonna go grab a beer and watch the rest of this Gov't controlled NFL Europe game. I'd tell you what teams were playing, but it's FOOTBALL! I don't care who's playing!

yep its the ye olde roman tactic of circus and bread....still a very good program.....keep the peasents well fed and entertained.....looks like its working too good ....isnt like 50% of americans fat arses now?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
Well, lucky for me, the cost of racing fuel hasn't gone up much. And really, that's all this Ignorant Red-Neck cares about. And I pull that car with my Cummins Diesel. Also cheaper.
Hmm, beer empty.

well you will be pissed when beer is $10 a six-pack

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
Would that be one of those plastic made in china amerikan flags?

no it would be the flag that was given to me by the VA as recognition for my fathers service to his country in vietnam

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
we will be faced with massive inflation....inflation is the hidden tax we all pay...

Inflation occurs when there is demand. The problem we create is deflation because there is too much supply and wages are not high enough. Seriously, ask any non-partisian economist. All that needs to be done is give more people buying power, tax cuts wont work because its not enough money. Its the concentration of wealth that is extending the downturn. 1,000 millionaires dont buy as many durable goods or cars as 10,000 people that make $100,000 a year.

[williethebasset]

3rd wiseman, you are in the national guard right?

[the3rdwiseman]

Currently yes. I served 2 years regular Army, then went into the Guards when my tour in Kosovo ended.

[thejimmyst91]

Kingmob, I don't care about whether you put your views out there. I only have one plea.

Do yUO SeE HoW dIffICulT iT is To ReAD wHEN SoMeonE CaN'T tYPe CorRecTLy?

You use commas or periods to separate your thoughts instead of ellipses. Use capitalization, and aim for higher than 50% correct spelling. If you do this then I could read the drivel you put out easier.

[the3rdwiseman]

Can anybody tell me what time it is?

[tordman]

Whether I agree with you or not, you have lots of problems, but no solutions.

Maybe instead of whining about these things, you could say how the situation could be improved???

And yes, I enjoy a beer now and then, which does not make me ignorant as you imply.

Maybe when you are old enough to buy one, you will understand.

[Donyoungdropsit]

Ok scorey, you warned him twice. I told kahn that i was dropping out when he was let in the league. Kahn talked me out of it by guarenteeing this (rap would not be tolarated. Toss him or give me my money back and I go.j

[Hash1]

cmon willie and king, even though you guys might just say they dont have to read this if they dont want to its still at the top of the forums every day which is annoying. Don has asked many times for you guys to stop and both of you still havent. He paid 20 bux to be in the league and a simple request like that should be granted. Clay had a perfect solution that you guys seem to be unwilling to do. Clays solution was to talk about politcs in this forum since no one posts in it

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=82

please start posting your politics stuff there before we start losing gms, thx.

[Donyoungdropsit]

There whole point is they like to annoy. Thats why they do it. It pisses me off when they go after guys like 3rd, Deke or any of the other guys that put it on the line for us while they bask in freedom that those guys defend.

[Earp]

This is a baseball board not a politics board and I will leave this league if this **** doesn't stop.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
Can anybody tell me what time it is?

Its 8:29 PM EST.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by tordman


Maybe when you are old enough to buy one, you will understand.

lol thats a good comeback

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Donyoungdropsit
There whole point is they like to annoy. Thats why they do it. It pisses me off when they go after guys like 3rd, Deke or any of the other guys that put it on the line for us while they bask in freedom that those guys defend.

After college I'm going into the army.

So, are you suggesting our freedom of speech be limited, because people fought for that freedom?

[williethebasset]

Hey king,

I saw that one of your follow austinites was nominated for the libertarian party's spot on the presidential ballot.

Your fellow austinite (http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=108590&SecID=2)

[kaill]

Originally posted by williethebasset
After college I'm going into the army.

So, are you suggesting our freedom of speech be limited, because people fought for that freedom?

Anyone who abuses the phrase 'freedom of speech' like this should be punched in the face. Hard.

And, Td: I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet. I gave the nod to Chretien last time but don't really feel like he did a good job, so I'm hesitant to give Martin my vote. On the other hand, I really don't like the Reform influence in the Alliance party. My vote would actually go to the PC if they still existed. Long live Kim Campbell!

[Tdks]

Finally, someone brings up something important: The lack of choice in Canadian politics.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Inflation occurs when there is demand. The problem we create is deflation because there is too much supply and wages are not high enough. Seriously, ask any non-partisian economist. All that needs to be done is give more people buying power, tax cuts wont work because its not enough money. Its the concentration of wealth that is extending the downturn. 1,000 millionaires dont buy as many durable goods or cars as 10,000 people that make $100,000 a year.


your wrong.....the federal reserve creates money out of nothing and lately they've been creating tons of frn.......inflation is caused when there is a huge influx of fiat money......so it causes the money to be worth less which causes prices to up.....it has nothing to do with demand ......chart the dollar vs. the euro over the last 2 yrs. the euro is worth more than the dollar....did you know that if there were no debt in this country ...there would be no money because every dollar in circulation is someone elses debt

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
Currently yes. I served 2 years regular Army, then went into the Guards when my tour in Kosovo ended.

you were in kosovo? those people have been fed upon by nato, UN, and dyncorp troops.....there are hardly any women between 18-40 cuz they've all been sold into the sex trade.....very vile....did you wear the UN blue beret 3rd?
article about dyncorp sexcapades....buying little kids.....sick (http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/163052.html)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by the3rdwiseman
Can anybody tell me what time it is?

its time to wake up!

[kingmob]

Originally posted by tordman
Whether I agree with you or not, you have lots of problems, but no solutions.

Maybe instead of whining about these things, you could say how the situation could be improved???

And yes, I enjoy a beer now and then, which does not make me ignorant as you imply.

Maybe when you are old enough to buy one, you will understand.

yes tordman the problems are huge and systemetic ....to fix a problem you first have to diagnose the problem
the solution is to quit taking the vacines with mercury in it, refusing all biometrics(thumb scans, microchops, etc.)to buy and sell at stores, quit taking the federal reserve loans, take your money out the banks to choke the banksters, dont join the military unless ya wanna kill women and kids, kill your tv, get prepared to protect your family in case of economic meltdown or UN troops being deployed on american streets.......during the american revolution only 5-10% of people were fighting the brits....today the players on the field who make a difference know whats happening and are being effective.....right now is the time to stop all this insanity by being non-violent participants in the infowar. we must expose the propaganda and pys-ops going on full force......basically if ya like world govt. just sit back and watch it be enacted.....or if ya want america to keep her soverenty<sp> stand up and be heard and take action.....its simple....the american people are a powerful force to be reckoned with

i like a beer here and there too nothing wrong with that....unfortunately i am definately old enough to buy a beer....unlike all the kids getting sent to the slaughter in iraq....peace

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Donyoungdropsit
There whole point is they like to annoy. Thats why they do it. It pisses me off when they go after guys like 3rd, Deke or any of the other guys that put it on the line for us while they bask in freedom that those guys defend.

im not attacking anyone don ....im just saying what i want too....i have never dissed anyone (except for you ,....cuz your a big poosy).....

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Hey king,

I saw that one of your follow austinites was nominated for the libertarian party's spot on the presidential ballot.

Your fellow austinite (http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=108590&SecID=2)

cool didnt realize he made the national ballot.....ive been to a bunch of libertarian meetings and distinguised speaker meetings....ive heard him speak...hes a good guy

[kingmob]

Originally posted by kaill
Anyone who abuses the phrase 'freedom of speech' like this should be punched in the face. Hard.

And, Td: I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet. I gave the nod to Chretien last time but don't really feel like he did a good job, so I'm hesitant to give Martin my vote. On the other hand, I really don't like the Reform influence in the Alliance party. My vote would actually go to the PC if they still existed. Long live Kim Campbell!

come on kaill ...so why dont this country just round up anyone who doesnt lick the jackboots and intern and torture them at the fema camps.....how about that?.....why limit it to a punch in the face ......how about just pulling out everyones fingernails or homosexual rape....those seem to the MO of military intelligence

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Tdks
Finally, someone brings up something important: The lack of choice in Canadian politics.

yeah ya got the choice of socialism or socialism

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
your wrong.....the federal reserve creates money out of nothing and lately they've been creating tons of frn.......inflation is caused when there is a huge influx of fiat money......so it causes the money to be worth less which causes prices to up.....it has nothing to do with demand ......chart the dollar vs. the euro over the last 2 yrs. the euro is worth more than the dollar....did you know that if there were no debt in this country ...there would be no money because every dollar in circulation is someone elses debt

No, inflation is caused by a demand for goods and services. The dollars value is relative to the amount of debt our government has. Why was there inflation in the late 90's when unemployment went under 2%?

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
im not attacking anyone don ....im just saying what i want too....i have never dissed anyone (except for you ,....cuz your a big poosy).....

I remember when he ignored us because of our first discussion.

[williethebasset]

So King, how much are gas prices there? Its $2.11 a gallon and now is $40 to fill up. I want to get an Expedition though, as my first car that I own. Big enough to tow an ATV and a deer, with plenty of room on the inside for the gear. Even better for heading to the hills red dawn style.

[williethebasset]

Here is a list of lies from A-Z about the war in Iraq, courtesy of independent.co.uk.



A Mohammed Atta. The Bush administration claimed that a meeting between the lead hijacker of the 11 September attacks and a senior Iraqi intelligence officer proved a connection between al-Qa'ida and Saddam Hussein. But there is no evidence such a meeting took place.

B Bush and Blair: The two leaders have reacted strongly to all suggestions they misled their respective electorates over the war, and maintain time will prove they were right to go to war. Both, though, are suffering poll difficulties, as problems in Iraq become worse, and each needs speedy improvement to shore up his position.

C Ahmed Chalabi. The leader of the Iraq National Congress, who is a member of the Iraq Governing Council, is now accused of having duped the Bush administration, as well as the media, into believing that Saddam Hussein represented a direct threat to US and British security.

D Dollars. Between 1992 and the US raid on Ahmed Chalabi's home last week, the US government channelled more than $100m (£55m) to his Iraqi National Congress. The money may have been a motivating factor for defectors to say what they thought the Americans wanted to hear. That funding has now been stopped.

E Mohamed ElBaradei, the Egyptian head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, exposed as unfounded many of the claims put into the public domain by the US administration. The head of the UN weapons inspectors, Hans Blix, also challenged the White House claims.

F The claim that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction could be deployed within forty-five minutes of an order was a key plank of the Government's pro-war argument and appeared in its September dossier of 2002. We now know that the discredited claim - which applied only to battlefield munitions in any case - came from the party of the caretaker prime minister of Iraq: Iyad Allawi.

G Andrew Gilligan, defence correspondent on the BBC's Today programme, reported that the Government had "sexed-up'' Iraq's weapons capabilities. On one occasion, he suggested that it had done so deliberately. Events since suggest that case for war was exaggerated. Gilligan lost his job in the fall-out.

H Khidir Hamza. The man known as Saddam's bombmaker is now acknowledged to have tricked the administration into believing he had more knowledge of Saddam's nuclear programme than he actually did.

IWas Ahmed Chalabi an agent for Iran, which used him as part of a plan to manipulate the US government into overthrowing Saddam Hussein? Washington is holding an urgent investigation into the claim.

J The Joint Intelligence Committee was accused of allowing itself to be manipulated by Downing Street in the run-up to the war, and of firming up conditional language in the key September dossier on weapons of mass destruction.

K David Kelly, the MoD weapons specialist at the heart of last year's controversy, committed suicide three days after he denied to the Foreign Affairs Committee that he was Gilligan's source.

L Langley. The CIA headquarters, which was regularly visited by the US Vice-President Dick Cheney as he sought to pressure the intelligence services into exaggerating the Iraqi threat for political reasons.

M Mobile biological labs. The alleged discovery of biological mobile labs for the production of biological weapons was held up after the war as proof that Iraq continued its illegal weapons programme. But the chief UN weapons inspector, Hans Blix, said there was no proof of their use.

N The Iraqi scientist Hamdi Shukuir Ubaydi buried documents related to Iraq's nuclear programme in his garden, and they were found last June in the search for WMD after the war last June. However there was no confirmation of the US claim that they were the "smoking gun" the Americans were looking for.

O Oil-for-food scandal. The recent accusations that Saddam diverted billions of dollars from a UN humanitarian programme, and paid countries for political support, came from documents distributed by aides of Ahmed Chalabi. US and UN investigations will attempt to uncover the truth.

P The Pentagon hawks, Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz and senior adviser Richard Perle took their country to war on a false prospectus.

Q The Daily Mirror published photographs which it claimed showed members of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment abusing one of its Iraqi prisoners. The photos have now been dismissed as fakes. But the regiment remains under investigation over the death of Baha Mousa, who died in custody.

R Karl Rove, president Bush's political adviser, is accused of "outing" the CIA undercover agent Valerie Plame amid the furore over the Niger uranium claim. A grand jury is investigating the leak.

S Bush and Blair insist there will be a transfer of "full sovereignty" to a caretaker government. But the appointment of Iyad Allawi, who has close US and British links, as Prime Minister raises questions over its independence.

T The New York Times last week issued a mea culpa for failing to question a Bush administration leak relating to aluminium tubes reportedly being used in Iraq's nuclear weapons programme. The IAEA demolished the claim, a key prop of the White House case for war.

U Iraq's alleged attempt to smuggle uranium from Niger was used by the allies as proof that Iraq was still attempting to build a nuclear weapon. While the Bush administration now admits the relevant documents were forged, the Blair government is still sticking to the claim.

V Iraq was said to hold stocks of VX gas, the deadliest chemical agent known to man. Not a single millilitre has been found.

W World Trade Centre. According to opinion polls, a majority of Americans still believe Saddam Hussein played a role in the 11 September attacks, a view long propagated by the Bush administration, particularly Dick Cheney.

X Camp X-Ray, now Camp Delta, is the US prison at Guantanamo where prisoners from Afghanistan were flown. But its practices were adopted at Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad. The ensuing scandal has tarnished Bush's presidency.

Y Yesterday, denials by Dick Cheney that he no longer had any association with the Halliburton oil services company, where he was formerly CEO, were under new scrutiny.

Z Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, accused of beheading the American Nick Berg , was said to be the link between Saddam and Bin Laden. No such link has been proved.



The story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=526965)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
No, inflation is caused by a demand for goods and services. The dollars value is relative to the amount of debt our government has. Why was there inflation in the late 90's when unemployment went under 2%?

nope your wrong inflation is caused by an influx of newly created money....all those 0% car loans and cheap morgages is created money....when you go to get a house loan the bank doesnt go to the vault and get money they create the money upon issuance of the loan....that simple
good article...about the impending depression we will face (http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive20.htm)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
So King, how much are gas prices there? Its $2.11 a gallon and now is $40 to fill up. I want to get an Expedition though, as my first car that I own. Big enough to tow an ATV and a deer, with plenty of room on the inside for the gear. Even better for heading to the hills red dawn style.

lol...gas is $1.92
screw that.......half your load would be fuel....if you can find it.....a bike or a horse would be better
im lookin for a 4 cyl. honda or go-kart.....maybe motorcycle

[kingmob]

i know you said you were gonna join the military but you might be going before that
draft in 05...after election (http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg)


sides if your too smart you cant be a cop
smart people need not apply (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html)

[williethebasset]

George Tennet resigned
Resignation (http://newsobserver.com/24hour/nation/story/1414324p-8715278c.html)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
lol...gas is $1.92
screw that.......half your load would be fuel....if you can find it.....a bike or a horse would be better
im lookin for a 4 cyl. honda or go-kart.....maybe motorcycle

An expedition can carry all my supplies and tow a 4-Wheeler, something a motorcycle cant do. And an ATV can go 50 MPH.

I saw gas at only (sarcasm) $2.03 today near the mall.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
nope your wrong inflation is caused by an influx of newly created money....all those 0% car loans and cheap morgages is created money....when you go to get a house loan the bank doesnt go to the vault and get money they create the money upon issuance of the loan....that simple
good article...about the impending depression we will face (http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive20.htm)

Yeah, I know we will be facing a big problem with all the debt, whats going to happen is that credit is too easy to get and we will get a depression similar to the 1929 crash. I wrote a paper about the depression for school.

I cant attach it so here it is
The worst economic times in American history were from 1929 to 1942. The Stock Market crash was the beginning of the depression, but not the reason for the depression. World War one is when America first learned about loans and credit and America first learned about loans and bonds when the government asked for people to buy war bonds to back the American war effort.
The bonds were simple. The citizen would buy one and it would pay 4% interest per year until it was paid off. The bonds were widely promoted and people were generally encouraged to buy them as a form of patriotism to show support for their government. Everyone from politicians to business men would preach to the people to buy them. “All they had to do was go to the bank take out a loan, then pay it back from their paychecks over 6 months” People did this, and as a result the Liberty Loan program had brought in more than $18.5 Billion Dollars from the sale of bonds. This was the average Americans first lesson in borrowing and investing money.
In the 1920’s Americans, who had learned well about the lessons of investing, “In fact some say they learned their lesson too well.” All types of places started offering credit on every possible purchase from jewelry, unheard of contraptions such as a washing machine or refrigerator, cars, and clothes. Some estimates say that as much as 15% of all purchases were made with credit.
But appliances weren’t the only thing people got loans for. People would get loans to buy stocks. This is great in theory, when stocks always go up, however if stocks go down then people cannot afford to pay back the loan. When a stock is bought like this it is called margin buying. Investors also took out loans to buy stock and towards the end of the decade more and more money was spent on loans. In 1927 stockbrokers took out $4 Billion in loans, about 33% more than the previous year and the trend continued. And by the end of 1928 borrowing was at $6.4 Billion, a 56% increase in one year. “In 1929 every $4 in $10 banks lent was for stock purchases.”
However this was only the beginning of the problem. Another problem was people putting off saving, and buying things on credit instead. People continued to buy stuff until the summer of 1929 when warehouses began filling up with unsold goods. This was the breaking point as people could no longer afford to buy new things and had to stop spending money and pay off debt.
The reasons that the stock market quickly rose were several different reasons. The first reason was that Dividends paid to the owners of stock were rising and people viewed this as a way to get rich quick without doing any work. The second reason was that people had more money from higher wages and therefore surplus money to save or invest in the stock market. Thirdly in the 1920’s it was extremely easy to get money for a loan. Interest rates were lower and more and more people qualified. Not only were loans taken out for buying a car, but also for buying more stocks. Fourthly, the American industry which grew rapidly “overproduced goods from after 1925 and on. Since the businesses expected to have growth continue, they spent virtually all their money into producing more goods, building more factories, more machines, and hiring more workers. This lead to even more overproduction and gave the companies a feeling of financial soundness. Which encouraged Americans to buy more stock.” Lastly Investors had very high expectations and there were no rules about buying or selling stock. The companies did not have anything to prevent them from selling more and more stock which lead to a saturation of the value of the market, but no one seemed to realize this.
When investors needed to have more money, they needed money and as much as possible. They sold off more secure investments such as bank accounts and treasury bonds. They also took out mortgages on their homes and invested life savings in stocks in the race to make the most money possible.
In addition to all the loans people took out, the overproduction, and the crediting of everything people bought, the rich had a very disproportionate amount of money compared to the rest of Americans, and corporate profits continued to rise much faster than the wages of Americans. From 1923 to 1929 a lot of changes took place. The total income went from $74.3 Billion to $89 Billion, productivity increased 32%, while wages increased 8%, and corporate profits rose 62% and dividends, 65%. “The top .1% of Americans had a combined income equal to that of the bottom 42%, that same top .1% of Americans controlled 34% of Savings, while 80% of Americans had no savings at all.” “Calvin Coolidge’s administration (and the conservative controlled government) favored business and as a result, the wealthy who invested in these businesses. An example of legislation to this purpose is the Revenue Act of 1926, signed by President Coolidge on February 26, 1926, which reduced federal income and inheritance taxes dramatically… a man with a 1 million dollar income had his federal taxes reduced from 600,000 to 200,000…. In the 1923 case, Adkins v. Children’s Hospital, the supreme court ruled the minimum wage unconstitutional.”
The outcome of all of these problems resulted in the Stock Market crash of 1929. “The night of Monday October 21, 1929, margin calls were heavy and numerous Dutch and German sell calls came in overnight for the Tuesday morning opening. On Tuesday morning out of town banks and corporations called in $150 million of call loans and Wall Street was in a panic before the New York Stock Exchange opened.” The result was a panic, but that did not occur until that Thursday. The bottoms of stocks fell out and almost all of the progress made in the last year was wiped in a matter of hours. The result of this was panic. In the next 4 years unemployment would rise from 1.6 million to 12.8 Million. Bank suspensions caused by people withdrawing money before it ran out, went from 499 a year in 1928 to 4,004 per year in 1933. People fought for being able to withdraw their money, so that their life savings would not be gone. However for millions it was too late and they lost all their savings because the banks had invested heavily and lost money.
As the Hoover administration tried to cope with the crash, they refused to give aid to the millions of poor and unemployed people, and encouraged citizens to donate money, it was too little and too late. The Hoover presidency did nothing about the crash, and only insisted that the economy was fine and success would return soon. “Hoover believed the basic need was to restore public confidence so businesses would begin to invest and expand production, providing jobs and income to restore the economy to health. But business owners saw no reason to increase production while unsold goods clogged their shelves. By 1932 investment had dropped to less than 5 percent of its 1929 level.” As his plan of restoring confidence failed, the Republican Party decided to start tariffs on all goods coming into America. This did nothing and only made the situation worse because other countries did the same and the American economy sunk even deeper because not very many people could afford new products, and it was to expensive for people in other countries to buy American. The tariffs also lead to European countries to head into the worldwide depression because it suffocated international trade. Americans continued to lead the rest of the world into depression.
The first steps to the recovery began with the election of Franklin Roosevelt who would lead the country for 4 terms. He founded government programs to stimulate the economy through programs. The Roosevelt administration started the new deal. “The New Deal produced a wide variety of programs to reduce unemployment, assist business and agriculture, regulate banking and the stock market, provide security for the needy, elderly, and disable. The basic idea of the New Deal programs was to lower the supply of goods to the current, depressed level of consumption.” Through this the economy was on the road to improvement, but did not improve until the Americans became involved in WWII almost 13 years after the Stock Market crash of 1929.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
i know you said you were gonna join the military but you might be going before that
draft in 05...after election (http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg)


sides if your too smart you cant be a cop
smart people need not apply (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html)

That bill was proposed by a republican who is not in danger of being voted out... he was elected in 2002.

I read the bill, here it is.


Official purpose: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service. in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

That means helping at a vets. hospital, etc.

The reason they turned him down is because people with a high IQ usually have college educated jobs, and he would have gone on to a higher skilled job. Thats why people who had a job that was outsourced to india, and have a PhD, wont be hired to work at 7-11, because they will be going to a better job.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
That bill was proposed by a republican who is not in danger of being voted out... he was elected in 2002.

I read the bill, here it is.



That means helping at a vets. hospital, etc.

The reason they turned him down is because people with a high IQ usually have college educated jobs, and he would have gone on to a higher skilled job. Thats why people who had a job that was outsourced to india, and have a PhD, wont be hired to work at 7-11, because they will be going to a better job.

lol....the draft legislation is purely bipartisan..... rangel from ny proposed one too.....
you think civilian service means scrubbing bed pans in a va hospital you are mistaken ....it means you will be conscripted into the tattle-tale brigade....which means watching cctv monitors of street cams etc. it means manning checkpoints on the roads, digging ditches, crowd control, security at forced vacination centers and whatever else.....conscription is slavery plus they can then inject you with all the goodies that the military gets ...

anthrax jabs (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15143911)

and this anthrax vacine snipet (http://www.thepowerhour.com/articles/anthrax.htm)


the reason they want dumb cops is so that they can brain wash em and militerize them to think the rank and file citizenry is the enemy....seems to be working
miami cops look like darth vadar's stormtroopers (http://www.prisonplanet.com/261103militarizationinmiami.html)

9 yr. old handcuffed girl tasered (http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB-20040525-dsbp-taser.1f8073c21.html)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
lol....the draft legislation is purely bipartisan..... rangel from ny proposed one too.....
you think civilian service means scrubbing bed pans in a va hospital you are mistaken ....it means you will be conscripted into the tattle-tale brigade....which means watching cctv monitors of street cams etc. it means manning checkpoints on the roads, digging ditches, crowd control, security at forced vacination centers and whatever else.....conscription is slavery plus they can then inject you with all the goodies that the military gets ...

anthrax jabs (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15143911)

and this anthrax vacine snipet (http://www.thepowerhour.com/articles/anthrax.htm)


the reason they want dumb cops is so that they can brain wash em and militerize them to think the rank and file citizenry is the enemy....seems to be working
miami cops look like darth vadar's stormtroopers (http://www.prisonplanet.com/261103militarizationinmiami.html)

9 yr. old handcuffed girl tasered (http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB-20040525-dsbp-taser.1f8073c21.html)

King,

I cannot describe how shocked and awed I am by your extreme statement. Of course the bill would have conscencious (sp) objectors taking non-fontline work. There will never be any of that crazy **** you describe.

It is not surprising the military is trying to vaccinate soldiers against one of the oldest naturally occuring viruses in the world. I agree that once a vaccine has been proven to work, than it be used, otherwise we would sustain heavy casualties if it was used against our young men and women.

Well, for one that taser story was reported by Fox, the most sensationalist "news" organization in the country, **** they reported every possible and confirmed west nile case, follow every murder and car accident, leading up to the trial, then when someone is being relaeased. They make the most innane observations "Following the car accident, the driver was rushed to the hospital." or Breaking News: "A life and death situation a car crashed into another car. We now go live to the scene."

You pick out these random incidents like they normally happen all the time. Yeah, it was bad, but the sensationalist media is now always in a competition with Fox's affiliates to bring the most irrelevant stories to national attention.

For the "Storm Troopers" those are police in riot gear. The reason the police were needed was because of the sensationalist media, who reported every bad apple at the last meetings, and then reported every single wrongdoing, partially because it makes a "REALLY GOOD" story, partially because all news companies are owned by conglamorates who own corporations that benefit from free trade.

Take a deep look,
Sam

[michaelg123789]

Originally posted by kingmob
yeah ya got the choice of socialism or socialism
Alright fine, I'll take socialism:eek:

[kingmob]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
Alright fine, I'll take socialism:eek:

ok so ya want whatever is good for the collective? dont you realize that you can justify anything for the greater good of the collective......whether it was murdering all the indians for the greater good of the settlers or anyone else for that matter.....guess you dont like private property rights then......all socialism is the moneyed elites distributing the money from the middle class to the poor.....rich people will be the ones wielding the whip of tyranny.....socialism is good if your poor .....all the illegal immigrants from mexico love it......besides whats wrong with a democratic republic?

btw the nazis where the national socialist party.....socialism leads to fascism......when the collective starts persecuting the individualists.....torture is good now.....remember

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King,

I cannot describe how shocked and awed I am by your extreme statement. Of course the bill would have conscencious (sp) objectors taking non-fontline work. There will never be any of that crazy **** you describe.

It is not surprising the military is trying to vaccinate soldiers against one of the oldest naturally occuring viruses in the world. I agree that once a vaccine has been proven to work, than it be used, otherwise we would sustain heavy casualties if it was used against our young men and women.

Well, for one that taser story was reported by Fox, the most sensationalist "news" organization in the country, **** they reported every possible and confirmed west nile case, follow every murder and car accident, leading up to the trial, then when someone is being relaeased. They make the most innane observations "Following the car accident, the driver was rushed to the hospital." or Breaking News: "A life and death situation a car crashed into another car. We now go live to the scene."

You pick out these random incidents like they normally happen all the time. Yeah, it was bad, but the sensationalist media is now always in a competition with Fox's affiliates to bring the most irrelevant stories to national attention.

For the "Storm Troopers" those are police in riot gear. The reason the police were needed was because of the sensationalist media, who reported every bad apple at the last meetings, and then reported every single wrongdoing, partially because it makes a "REALLY GOOD" story, partially because all news companies are owned by conglamorates who own corporations that benefit from free trade.

Take a deep look,
Sam


ok well tell all the people in georgia everything is ok.....there all scared shiitless of the police state pre-emptive martial law state of emergency.....body bags, patriot missiles, etal.
a big shiny turd (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=529162)

again your wrong anthrax is a naturally occuring bacteria.....it is not a virus.....why do you think ya do a quick test on deer to make sure theyt dont got it before ya butcher it
the company bioport makes that **** and it is owned by some retired general.....it is a dirty nasty facility
get your bio-thrax.....yum (http://www.bioport.com/default.asp)

who owns bioport? (http://www.rense.com/general15/3wwho.htm)

the reason i post all the police torture stories is ummm cuz there happening

gestapo training (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040606/photos_wl_afp/040606121451_6ls7u5qd_photo0)

lord bush can order finger nail pulling at will now.....very loving (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3783869.stm)

not drugging your child is child abuse now....wtf? (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Living/US/mental_illness_treatment_kids_040607-1.html)

welcome to AmeriKa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1231089,00.html)

i used foreign news sites to stay away from those evil fear mongerers over at fox...happy?.....dont ya think that police torture if it happens once is bad enough? or just an accident?

[michaelg123789]

Originally posted by kingmob

not drugging your child is child abuse now....wtf? (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Living/US/mental_illness_treatment_kids_040607-1.html)

Well I'm not going to delve into this much, but I will say that quote above hits a nerve. I was never on Ritalin but I will say that I have a bunch of friends and probably myself included that could have been classified as a "disturbance". All it is is kids being kids. Everyone is different, some can sit still, and some are just way to full of pep IMO.

Medicating kids at a young age like 5 or 6 is just too much. I was wild sure, but I was never medicated and now i'm very calm, and down to earth (I think:rolleyes:) I also know kids who have used Ritalin to calm them down, and although it may work, I just think the side effects at that young of age could be much worse than just letting them live and learn from their mistakes the way most of us did before this stuff came out.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
Well I'm not going to delve into this much, but I will say that quote above hits a nerve. I was never on Ritalin but I will say that I have a bunch of friends and probably myself included that could have been classified as a "disturbance". All it is is kids being kids. Everyone is different, some can sit still, and some are just way to full of pep IMO.

Medicating kids at a young age like 5 or 6 is just too much. I was wild sure, but I was never medicated and now i'm very calm, and down to earth (I think:rolleyes:) I also know kids who have used Ritalin to calm them down, and although it may work, I just think the side effects at that young of age could be much worse than just letting them live and learn from their mistakes the way most of us did before this stuff came out.

amen this issue really pisses me off....a lot of times school counselors and nurses basically tell the parents to drug your kid or no school.....these drugs make some people pyschotic and suicidal ...lots of young children killing themselves or others....i betcha all the school shooters were on paxil or prozac

this is just a way to domesticate kids and turn them into little obediant zombies....this is sick

[michaelg123789]

Originally posted by kingmob
amen this issue really pisses me off....a lot of times school counselors and nurses basically tell the parents to drug your kid or no school.....these drugs make some people pyschotic and suicidal ...lots of young children killing themselves or others....i betcha all the school shooters were on paxil or prozac

It's just sad. Elementary/Middle School teachers know what they getting into, but it's like some don't want to have any hassles running around. These medications can cripple them for life, especially when taken at that very young age. The brain is still forming and by adding all those chemicals to the mix just doesn't seem good.:(

[kingmob]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
It's just sad. Elementary/Middle School teachers know what they getting into, but it's like some don't want to have any hassles running around. These medications can cripple them for life, especially when taken at that very young age. The brain is still forming and by adding all those chemicals to the mix just doesn't seem good.:(

exactly right.... it is doing no good but too pad the pockets of the drug industry ......these drugs are as bad or worse than the illegal drugs......after a while the ritalin kids will start snorting there pills or selling em to there friends and the chances of these kids being coke heads(like bush) or herion addicts jumps way up......people need to stand up and get there kids off of these drugs......some people are too dumb to realize the doctor is diagnosing there kids as ADD when this condition is totally subjective and theres no test that will diagnose it.....a huge complete fraud......ive read so many articles about 12 year olds committing suicide and worse that i just want to puke

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
amen this issue really pisses me off....a lot of times school counselors and nurses basically tell the parents to drug your kid or no school.....these drugs make some people pyschotic and suicidal ...lots of young children killing themselves or others....i betcha all the school shooters were on paxil or prozac

this is just a way to domesticate kids and turn them into little obediant zombies....this is sick

I take medicine for ADD, and I'm not a little obediant zombie, I'm 6'2", loud and funny. At first when I took the medicine about a year ago I was always quiet and never did anything to get in trouble, but now I'm back to my old self without the impulsivity and inattentiveness.

If someone undergoes a personality change, AKA never talking and being subdued, then they are taking too much, if there is no change, than there is not enough.

The reason the school shooters went crazy was because they were harrassed everyday and became depressed, then the parent brought them to a docotor and they stopped thinking about themselves, and started thinking about how to solve their problem, in their violence laden mind.

The nurses, councilors, teachers, and administraots do it because class sizes are too large, and when more than one inattentive student is in the class than its chaos. They think its a quick fix and the problem is gone, but its really only the medicine and the problem is not gone.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
exactly right.... it is doing no good but too pad the pockets of the drug industry ......these drugs are as bad or worse than the illegal drugs......after a while the ritalin kids will start snorting there pills or selling em to there friends and the chances of these kids being coke heads(like bush) or herion addicts jumps way up......people need to stand up and get there kids off of these drugs......some people are too dumb to realize the doctor is diagnosing there kids as ADD when this condition is totally subjective and theres no test that will diagnose it.....a huge complete fraud......ive read so many articles about 12 year olds committing suicide and worse that i just want to puke

The reason kids get depressed is because they feel like they dont fit in. So to fit in they do the things the "cool people" do, like party every weekend, **** everyone at the party, and wear abercrombie/american eagle clothes. Then they go up to other drugs to be even "cooler", but this is only a few people.

The other people that do drugs are kids that want attention, thats what the case is 95% of the time, the other 5% is parents that dont care and let the kids smoke pot and drink beer and **** like that.

There is no test for ADD, the way I was diagnosed was teahcers have always called me underacheiving, underchallenged, and inattentive. If I was in classes that interested me, were for my learing style (audio-visual), and had small sizes I would never be a problem.

[williethebasset]

What really needs to be done is more teachers and better supplies/equipment.

[kingmob]

so why are you listening to govt. teachers diagnosis? they target smart kids who tend to be leaders to medicate and dumb them down.....do yourself a favor and flush your amphetimines(yes ritalin is an amphetimine) .......drugs like paxil are causing people to become suicidal......besides kids are like puppies or any other mammalian young.....they run around and chew on shiit....basicaly just being a pup.....so now if a kid runs around ...asks to many questions etc. that is now determined to be a mental illness......sam read a book called "brave new world" by Aldous Huxley.....ADD is a subcective diagnosis....its junk science i seriously doubt you need the govt. drugs....actually on second thought dont flush them cuz now they are finding ritalin, prozac, birth control pills in the water supply cuz they dont dissipate completely....i can show you 100's of articles about how the govt. drugs are ruining peoples lives.....dont be a slave to eli lilly

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
What really needs to be done is more teachers and better supplies/equipment.

american schools have tons of money the problem is the curiculum and just teaching kids how to pass a test.....if i ever have kids im home schooling them....they will not be going into the federal govt. public fool system

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
american schools have tons of money the problem is the curiculum and just teaching kids how to pass a test.....if i ever have kids im home schooling them....they will not be going into the federal govt. public fool system

The kids that get good grades are complete idiots because all they do is retain the info for a week and then spit it back out. Thats all it is, thats why all the "smart" kids fail the final's.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
so why are you listening to govt. teachers diagnosis? they target smart kids who tend to be leaders to medicate and dumb them down.....do yourself a favor and flush your amphetimines(yes ritalin is an amphetimine) .......drugs like paxil are causing people to become suicidal......besides kids are like puppies or any other mammalian young.....they run around and chew on shiit....basicaly just being a pup.....so now if a kid runs around ...asks to many questions etc. that is now determined to be a mental illness......sam read a book called "brave new world" by Aldous Huxley.....ADD is a subcective diagnosis....its junk science i seriously doubt you need the govt. drugs....actually on second thought dont flush them cuz now they are finding ritalin, prozac, birth control pills in the water supply cuz they dont dissipate completely....i can show you 100's of articles about how the govt. drugs are ruining peoples lives.....dont be a slave to eli lilly

So, the psychiatrist who diagnosed is a government agent working against my gains because my dad works for a town which gives him and and I health insurance, and then the government intervenes with the health insurance and threatens my psychiatrist with death unless he diagnoses me with ADD?

lol

I dont think that one pill or even 100 pills is going to contaminate the water supply, lakes are hundreds of thousands of gallons.

I don't think my teachers were government agents, they all lived in the same town. The problem is that parents want their kids to grow up fast, so they medicate them. They always want kids to be efficient little adults that do everything they are told and sit quietly. I used to play games in kindergarden, now kids learn to read in Kindergarden, something I knew before kindergarden.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
american schools have tons of money the problem is the curiculum and just teaching kids how to pass a test.....if i ever have kids im home schooling them....they will not be going into the federal govt. public fool system

I'm guessing you dont understand public finance, and the fact the teachers get paid less than retailers. You seem to think there is a massive conspiracy behind everything, you are like the people that support vouchers and charter schools. The reason people go into the field of teaching is because they enjoy it, not because they want to push the agenda of the NWO or facist globalists.

[williethebasset]

Here's a good example of propaganda put out to show the war on "terror" is being "won".
Yeah (http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=83F3C459-47EE-4A24-82943B3856E793F0)
The report, called "Patterns of Global Terrorism," concluded that in 2003 the number of terrorism attacks worldwide was at its lowest point in 34 years. Bush Administration officials had offered the finding as proof the war on terror was going well.

Later it was "corrected"

Hows that for propaganda? Just like pat tillman.

So we are winning the war on terror, with the lowest attacks in 34 years? I dont recall any terror attacks during the reagan years, except for ther Pan-Am flight and a few hijackings. Last year there were bombings in iraq, indonesia, israel, turkey, etc. Bush is lying again. Big surprise there:rolleyes: .

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
american schools have tons of money the problem is the curiculum and just teaching kids how to pass a test.....if i ever have kids im home schooling them....they will not be going into the federal govt. public fool system

Sounds like your kids wont be having a social life

[Hash1]

Originally posted by williethebasset


The reason the school shooters went crazy was because they were harrassed everyday and became depressed, then the parent brought them to a docotor and they stopped thinking about themselves, and started thinking about how to solve their problem, in their violence laden mind.



Agreed. We had a kid at my school who was going to do a school shooting. He had a list of about 20 kids that he was planning on killing(kids that had made fun of him) and he had a bunch of guns at his house but luckily someone found his list and turned him in. I put a GREAT deal of blame on the parents for allowing there child easy acces to there guns.

[Hash1]

Originally posted by williethebasset


There is no test for ADD, the way I was diagnosed was teahcers have always called me underacheiving, underchallenged, and inattentive. If I was in classes that interested me, were for my learing style (audio-visual), and had small sizes I would never be a problem.

Same thing with me. I had teachers who wanted me to skip a grade and also be on meds but i refused both. Finally when i reached middle school i decided to take ritalin but after a couple times i decided fcku it and that id never take the junk again. All i would do is just pretend to take them everyday at school and just stick them in my pocket. Thats what about 90% of the kids would do.

[Hash1]

Originally posted by williethebasset
The reason people go into the field of teaching is because they enjoy it, not because they want to push the agenda of the NWO or facist globalists.

Yep, my sister is going to become a teacher just because she loves kids. Shes worked at this daycare for 6 years and only makes 6.20 an hour (less than what new people start out with). My mother has been an aid for a kid with Muscular Dystophry since hes been 3rd grade(hes now a freshman in HS).and that job doesnt pay **** but hey moneys never been somethin my family really cared about. One of my best friends mom teaches at an all black school and she has had tons of death threats, had her property vandalized, Physicaly abused etc. My point is teachers are normally really good people who obviously arent in it for the money just in it for the love of children/teaching.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Hash1
Yep, my sister is going to become a teacher just because she loves kids. Shes worked at this daycare for 6 years and only makes 6.20 an hour (less than what new people start out with). My mother has been an aid for a kid with Muscular Dystophry since hes been 3rd grade(hes now a freshman in HS).and that job doesnt pay **** but hey moneys never been somethin my family really cared about. One of my best friends mom teaches at an all black school and she has had tons of death threats, had her property vandalized, Physicaly abused etc. My point is teachers are normally really good people who obviously arent in it for the money just in it for the love of children/teaching.

King, are you reading this? The NWO conspiracy is going into our schools! OMG OMG OMFG!!!!1111

Just about everyone I know based their job on making the world a better place, at one time wanted to make the world a better place, or in their mind they make the world a better place (even though they dont)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Hash1
Agreed. We had a kid at my school who was going to do a school shooting. He had a list of about 20 kids that he was planning on killing(kids that had made fun of him) and he had a bunch of guns at his house but luckily someone found his list and turned him in. I put a GREAT deal of blame on the parents for allowing there child easy acces to there guns.

King, this is why there need to be laws regarding gun locks.

There have been several close calls in the area. The most recent one I can think of was on the south shore where three friends were going to bomb their school and shoot the survivors, then after running out of ammo they would go to the roof and get high, then kill eachother. These were three people who had been made fun of for years, and the thing that made them friends was because no one else would be friends with them. I try to never make fun of people.

Just a few weeks ago I stood up for someone who was being made fun of. I was walking down the stairs in the hall and I saw this bully and his friends making fun of this overweight kid as he was eating food in the hall between class and lunch. There was a teacher watching all of this put doing nothing. I then watch the bully crack another insult and then I said "At least he doesnt look like a ****ing rat." The kid looked at me, who was all alone, with amazement that I stood up for someone that was younger and I did not know. His friends looked at me too and they walked away. The bully tried to explain "they were just friends and joking around" and I said "If I ever seeing you doing that again I'll kick your ***." The bully and his henchman now avoid me and dont even walk down that hall between lunch and class. They wont even look at me, what cowards. I didn't hesitate to stand up for him, and I wont hesitate again. Its a great feeling.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Hash1
Same thing with me. I had teachers who wanted me to skip a grade and also be on meds but i refused both. Finally when i reached middle school i decided to take ritalin but after a couple times i decided fcku it and that id never take the junk again. All i would do is just pretend to take them everyday at school and just stick them in my pocket. Thats what about 90% of the kids would do.

It {the medicine}really doesnt even effect me at this point. I had teachers doing the same thing, wanting me to skip grades, but my dad had skipped a grade when he was young and he hated it because he was always younger than everyone.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
So, the psychiatrist who diagnosed is a government agent working against my gains because my dad works for a town which gives him and and I health insurance, and then the government intervenes with the health insurance and threatens my psychiatrist with death unless he diagnoses me with ADD?

lol

I dont think that one pill or even 100 pills is going to contaminate the water supply, lakes are hundreds of thousands of gallons.

I don't think my teachers were government agents, they all lived in the same town. The problem is that parents want their kids to grow up fast, so they medicate them. They always want kids to be efficient little adults that do everything they are told and sit quietly. I used to play games in kindergarden, now kids learn to read in Kindergarden, something I knew before kindergarden.

i think most teachers are doing the best they can but govt. policies like no child left behind and bringing unesco back into the public fool system is the problem

buy a water filter (http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/july00/feature1.htm)

all kinds of crud in water supply

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I'm guessing you dont understand public finance, and the fact the teachers get paid less than retailers. You seem to think there is a massive conspiracy behind everything, you are like the people that support vouchers and charter schools. The reason people go into the field of teaching is because they enjoy it, not because they want to push the agenda of the NWO or facist globalists.

i dont support vouchers because all it would do is give the govt. control of private schools.....anytime you get govt. money there are strings attached....

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Here's a good example of propaganda put out to show the war on "terror" is being "won".
Yeah (http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=83F3C459-47EE-4A24-82943B3856E793F0)

Later it was "corrected"

Hows that for propaganda? Just like pat tillman.

So we are winning the war on terror, with the lowest attacks in 34 years? I dont recall any terror attacks during the reagan years, except for ther Pan-Am flight and a few hijackings. Last year there were bombings in iraq, indonesia, israel, turkey, etc. Bush is lying again. Big surprise there:rolleyes: .

the media and govt. propagate all kinds of propaganda.....there is no terrorism....if we had a terrorism problem we would have car bombs going off everywhere......basically the new economy is geared to fighting terrorism since they have huge budgets they have to justify there existence......so they create state sponsored terrorism.....oldest trick in the book

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
Sounds like your kids wont be having a social life

they will......instead of cooped up in the govt. training camp all day they will live life to its fullest....and actually learn something....they dont teach kids shiit.......sides now they upload all term papers to a central database .....supposedly to stop plagarism but they scan them for keywords.....do a paper about gun control see how fast u get flagged

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
Agreed. We had a kid at my school who was going to do a school shooting. He had a list of about 20 kids that he was planning on killing(kids that had made fun of him) and he had a bunch of guns at his house but luckily someone found his list and turned him in. I put a GREAT deal of blame on the parents for allowing there child easy acces to there guns.

nothing wrong with teaching your kids how to defend themselves and there home......gun safety and training go a long way....its the people who have guns in the closet and just yell at there kids for inquiring about them that have problems.....ive had a gun since i was 11.....i respect what a gun can do .....my dad taught me

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
Same thing with me. I had teachers who wanted me to skip a grade and also be on meds but i refused both. Finally when i reached middle school i decided to take ritalin but after a couple times i decided fcku it and that id never take the junk again. All i would do is just pretend to take them everyday at school and just stick them in my pocket. Thats what about 90% of the kids would do.

good for you.....stay away from the govt. speed

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King, are you reading this? The NWO conspiracy is going into our schools! OMG OMG OMFG!!!!1111

Just about everyone I know based their job on making the world a better place, at one time wanted to make the world a better place, or in their mind they make the world a better place (even though they dont)

yeah i agree most people try to do the right thing but the problem is all the usefull idiots who believe all the propaganda there fed and pass it on to the kids they teach

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King, this is why there need to be laws regarding gun locks.

There have been several close calls in the area. The most recent one I can think of was on the south shore where three friends were going to bomb their school and shoot the survivors, then after running out of ammo they would go to the roof and get high, then kill eachother. These were three people who had been made fun of for years, and the thing that made them friends was because no one else would be friends with them. I try to never make fun of people.

Just a few weeks ago I stood up for someone who was being made fun of. I was walking down the stairs in the hall and I saw this bully and his friends making fun of this overweight kid as he was eating food in the hall between class and lunch. There was a teacher watching all of this put doing nothing. I then watch the bully crack another insult and then I said "At least he doesnt look like a ****ing rat." The kid looked at me, who was all alone, with amazement that I stood up for someone that was younger and I did not know. His friends looked at me too and they walked away. The bully tried to explain "they were just friends and joking around" and I said "If I ever seeing you doing that again I'll kick your ***." The bully and his henchman now avoid me and dont even walk down that hall between lunch and class. They wont even look at me, what cowards. I didn't hesitate to stand up for him, and I wont hesitate again. Its a great feeling.

good for you .....best way to beat down a bully is a frontal assault ....verbal being ok.....make them out to be dumb......gun locks are not the problem....read this article for the problem
hidden holocaust (http://www.michaelparenti.org/HiddenHolocaust.html)

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
nothing wrong with teaching your kids how to defend themselves and there home......gun safety and training go a long way....its the people who have guns in the closet and just yell at there kids for inquiring about them that have problems.....ive had a gun since i was 11.....i respect what a gun can do .....my dad taught me

Im glad you respect what a gun can do. To bad alot of kids dont. Alot of times with kids the parents have NO idea how depressed there child is. They may not know if he/she is suicidal or planning to kill other people (sometimes even kill there family) . If you give children easy acess to guns than your just opening the door for stressed out kids to commit a crime. You may have been responsible enough when you were 11 but what about everyone else? Kids can have dangerous minds filled with hate. Most the time when you hear about a kid murdering some1 the parents say "i had no idea he would do something like this".

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Hash1
Im glad you respect what a gun can do. To bad alot of kids dont. Alot of times with kids the parents have NO idea how depressed there child is. They may not know if he/she is suicidal or planning to kill other people (sometimes even kill there family) . If you give children easy acess to guns than your just opening the door for stressed out kids to commit a crime. You may have been responsible enough when you were 11 but what about everyone else? Kids can have dangerous minds filled with hate. Most the time when you hear about a kid murdering some1 the parents say "i had no idea he would do something like this".

King is going to respond by saying "Its all part of the NWO wanting population control. Thats his response to AIDS, SARS, West Nile, abortion, and euthanasia.

I keep plenty of stuff inside me, but its not plots to plan and kill. I assume thats because I'm a guy and I dont like talking about my problems or my emotions.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
the media and govt. propagate all kinds of propaganda.....there is no terrorism....if we had a terrorism problem we would have car bombs going off everywhere......basically the new economy is geared to fighting terrorism since they have huge budgets they have to justify there existence......so they create state sponsored terrorism.....oldest trick in the book

Maybe if you did some research king, than you would see that fundamentalism is behind this. Yes, Osama is probobaly backed by some globalist, but his organization likes doing a few big things that cause massive damage, rather than doing a few harmless things that kill a dozen and do $500,000 in damage.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
they will......instead of cooped up in the govt. training camp all day they will live life to its fullest....and actually learn something....they dont teach kids shiit.......sides now they upload all term papers to a central database .....supposedly to stop plagarism but they scan them for keywords.....do a paper about gun control see how fast u get flagged

OH GOD! Teachers are not really scanning for cheaters, but for what people are writing about! I think you are jealous that you couldnt download papers when you were in school. I can honestly say that I never have or will, but at least half the people I know would download stuff.

What do you think kids should be taught about?

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
nothing wrong with teaching your kids how to defend themselves and there home......gun safety and training go a long way....its the people who have guns in the closet and just yell at there kids for inquiring about them that have problems.....ive had a gun since i was 11.....i respect what a gun can do .....my dad taught me

My parents dont believe in guns:rolleyes:

But what about those kids that dont know about gun safety? Thats why the current situation just does not solve itself on its own.

[williethebasset]

King,

I'm going to the Federal Reserve Bank and Boston Stock Exchange tommarow on a field trip. Anything you want me to ask them?;)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
good for you .....best way to beat down a bully is a frontal assault ....verbal being ok.....make them out to be dumb......gun locks are not the problem....read this article for the problem
hidden holocaust (http://www.michaelparenti.org/HiddenHolocaust.html)

So King, there are problems but what solutions. Any of my suggestions would be dismissed as ways to put people into government control, and from the massive numbers of people mentioned, private organizations are simply not an option.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
Im glad you respect what a gun can do. To bad alot of kids dont. Alot of times with kids the parents have NO idea how depressed there child is. They may not know if he/she is suicidal or planning to kill other people (sometimes even kill there family) . If you give children easy acess to guns than your just opening the door for stressed out kids to commit a crime. You may have been responsible enough when you were 11 but what about everyone else? Kids can have dangerous minds filled with hate. Most the time when you hear about a kid murdering some1 the parents say "i had no idea he would do something like this".

yeah its because of the social engineering in this country....where mtv glorifys gang mentality.....u got 1st person shooter video games.....how many murders do kids see on tv shows? ya got shows like 24 where torture is good now.....most parents are so involved in the rat race trying to pay there mortgages, car payments, taxes and food......so is your solution to ban guns? dont you realize that the 2nd admendment is to protect the 1st admendment

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King is going to respond by saying "Its all part of the NWO wanting population control. Thats his response to AIDS, SARS, West Nile, abortion, and euthanasia.

I keep plenty of stuff inside me, but its not plots to plan and kill. I assume thats because I'm a guy and I dont like talking about my problems or my emotions.

lol yep the globalists plan is depopulation .....they consider most of the planet useless eaters.....they want to kill 80-90% of us
globalist agenda (http://www.geocities.com/newageinternational/Depopulation1.html)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Maybe if you did some research king, than you would see that fundamentalism is behind this. Yes, Osama is probobaly backed by some globalist, but his organization likes doing a few big things that cause massive damage, rather than doing a few harmless things that kill a dozen and do $500,000 in damage.

al-ciada was funded and trained by the cia

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
OH GOD! Teachers are not really scanning for cheaters, but for what people are writing about! I think you are jealous that you couldnt download papers when you were in school. I can honestly say that I never have or will, but at least half the people I know would download stuff.

What do you think kids should be taught about?

history, math, reading, independant thinking.....all they teach kids is how to be a good global citizen

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
My parents dont believe in guns:rolleyes:

But what about those kids that dont know about gun safety? Thats why the current situation just does not solve itself on its own.

ok good...... are your parents gonna put up a sign in the yard saying this is a gun free zone?......see how fast you get robbed.....the 2nd admendment is there for a reason

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King,

I'm going to the Federal Reserve Bank and Boston Stock Exchange tommarow on a field trip. Anything you want me to ask them?;)

1. ask them why they are printing record amount of fiat currency
2. ask them if there counterfeit money is backed by anything but paper and ink
3. ask them what the truth about inflation is
4.ask them if it is a privately held corp.
5. ask them when congress comes to them to borrow money if they get gold from the vault or just write them a check on a non-existent account
6. ask em if the irs is there private collection agency
7. ask them what would happen if the govt. had no deficit and no one was in debt with mortgages , credit cards, etc.
tell them they are a banking cartel and they will all rot in he'll

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
So King, there are problems but what solutions. Any of my suggestions would be dismissed as ways to put people into government control, and from the massive numbers of people mentioned, private organizations are simply not an option.

the solution is easy quit taking the govt. drugs, quit using the fed. reserves usury, dont join the military, dont buy the slave goods from wal-mart, refuse all biometric scanning, dont take there licenses, never turn your guns in, and fight tyranny on all fronts.......if we dont take our country back history will see us like they saw the german people letting the nazis take power(with globalist prescott bush backing)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
lol yep the globalists plan is depopulation .....they consider most of the planet useless eaters.....they want to kill 80-90% of us
globalist agenda (http://www.geocities.com/newageinternational/Depopulation1.html)

But king, wouldnt they rather have us thinking we are living in freedom? Its more productive that way.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
all they teach kids is how to be a good global citizen

Examples please.

I dont know what you are reffering to.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
ok good...... are your parents gonna put up a sign in the yard saying this is a gun free zone?......see how fast you get robbed.....the 2nd admendment is there for a reason

No, thats plain stupid. I live 150 yards from the police station, no one does anything that stupid. King, I have neighbors, which means if they dont recognize someone walking around in the back, then the police get called.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. ask them why they are printing record amount of fiat currency
2. ask them if there counterfeit money is backed by anything but paper and ink
3. ask them what the truth about inflation is
4.ask them if it is a privately held corp.
5. ask them when congress comes to them to borrow money if they get gold from the vault or just write them a check on a non-existent account
6. ask em if the irs is there private collection agency
7. ask them what would happen if the govt. had no deficit and no one was in debt with mortgages , credit cards, etc.
tell them they are a banking cartel and they will all rot in he'll

Too, late, I forget to check this this morning. I know the answers.

1. Because there is a demand for it.
2. Its backed by the united states government.
3. Inflation is caused by a shortage of a product or oversupply of money, thus prices go up. A good example would be Germany after WWII, the government printed all the money they needed. Another example would be in the late 90's when unemployment was under 3%.
4. It is privately held, but it must follow the instructions of the government, AKA congress.
5. They get bonds, have you ever heard of a treasury bond?
6. Its the tax collection agency of the government. Lets not go down this road again.
7. They would print the money to replace the old money.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
the solution is easy quit taking the govt. drugs, quit using the fed. reserves usury, dont join the military, dont buy the slave goods from wal-mart, refuse all biometric scanning, dont take there licenses, never turn your guns in, and fight tyranny on all fronts.......if we dont take our country back history will see us like they saw the german people letting the nazis take power(with globalist prescott bush backing)

1. Government drugs, yeah right.
2. I dont have a credit card, and even if I did I would pay it off every month in full.
3. Ok, how am I supposed to pay for college, I plan on joining because there is still freedom in america, and if there is a war, I will fight for freedom wherever I am needed.
4. Yeah, I dont buy **** from them now, I dont plan on changing that.
5. I know that, what do you mean my licenses?
6. I dont own any
7. I do.

History already sees us as the people that elected bush:D, thats bad enough.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
yeah its because of the social engineering in this country....where mtv glorifys gang mentality.....u got 1st person shooter video games.....how many murders do kids see on tv shows? ya got shows like 24 where torture is good now.....most parents are so involved in the rat race trying to pay there mortgages, car payments, taxes and food......so is your solution to ban guns? dont you realize that the 2nd admendment is to protect the 1st admendment

What is your solution? If both parents work, what should be done?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
But king, wouldnt they rather have us thinking we are living in freedom? Its more productive that way.

yeah for now.....but when 6 billion people wake up and realize that a global crime syndicate is running the world they will be cooked......so they dumb us down , cripple us, make us addicts, kill us, whatever

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Examples please.

I dont know what you are reffering to.

UNESCO.....look it up and research it

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
No, thats plain stupid. I live 150 yards from the police station, no one does anything that stupid. King, I have neighbors, which means if they dont recognize someone walking around in the back, then the police get called.

ok so dial 911 and die

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
ok so dial 911 and die

And die?

You really are out of touch with reality if you think that people would rob a house that has neighbors, its a lot easier to rob a McMansion built half a mile down a driveway.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
UNESCO.....look it up and research it

Ok, apart from the fact that UNESCO is for thirld world nations, how does it effect me? And why would a teahcer change their educational plans if they dont agree with it? Schools base classes on state requirements, and local needs. My school has shop classes, while suburban schools dont.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
yeah for now.....but when 6 billion people wake up and realize that a global crime syndicate is running the world they will be cooked......so they dumb us down , cripple us, make us addicts, kill us, whatever

Yeah, whatever.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[williethebasset]

King, do you plan on seeing F-911?

[williethebasset]

Hey!

Who edited the title on me?:mad:

jk:D

[michaelg123789]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Hey!

Who edited the title on me?:mad:

You should know this, it's a NWO conspiracy Willie:eek: :D

[nysteinbrenner]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Hey!

Who edited the title on me?:mad:

jk:D

Why, the Illuminati, of course! :rolleyes:

[kingmob]

Originally posted by nysteinbrenner
Why, the Illuminati, of course! :rolleyes:

of course....illuminati minions are everywhere.....i saw one under a rock just yesterday

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King, do you plan on seeing F-911?

yeah hopefully it will wake people up out of there slumber.....or maybe it will take a full economic collapse like what happened in argentina to make people realize there reality as they think it is false

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
yeah hopefully it will wake people up out of there slumber.....or maybe it will take a full economic collapse like what happened in argentina to make people realize there reality as they think it is false

I think it will just hurt Bush and the whole Republican appartus. I hope it discusses the privitization of the military services.

I doubt it will cause an economic collapse. People are asleep in regards to what Bush has done to this great country of ours.

King, is Michael Moore part of the NWO too?

[williethebasset]

One more thing.

Who moved this?:mad:

[williethebasset]

Oh never mind.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I think it will just hurt Bush and the whole Republican appartus. I hope it discusses the privitization of the military services.

I doubt it will cause an economic collapse. People are asleep in regards to what Bush has done to this great country of ours.

King, is Michael Moore part of the NWO too?


doesnt really matter ...what people need to realize is that john kerry & john edwards(yes he will be the the veep after being primed at the bilderburger meeting) and the democratic party are a bunch of fabian socialists and are worse than bush! kerry is all for war in iraq ......and has the same nwo handlers from his fellow bonesmen(poppy bush) ....
it isnt just the military being prizatized its the mail, jails and everything else....the new fascism is privatization

no the economic collapse isnt till after the s-election..... the fed is printing off tons of fiat currency right now and the housing market will collapse due to increased interest rates....so low now they have to go up.....inflation will worsen......most of the elites in the know have cashed out of wall street and purchased islands

i think moore could be in cahoots with the globalists..... they do control the false left-right paradigm and his solution to bush and the war is too bow down to the UN and let them take over.....his solution is a wrong one imo.......if you want to see a real 911 movie ...watch this one......moore saw this first and decided to do his own
911 the road to tyranny (http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm)

tomorrow im going to see randy weaver speak at the truth seekers meeting here in austin.....weaver's wife and son were murdered at ruby ridge idaho in 1992 by fbi hostage rescue team

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
doesnt really matter ...what people need to realize is that john kerry & john edwards(yes he will be the the veep after being primed at the bilderburger meeting) and the democratic party are a bunch of fabian socialists and are worse than bush! kerry is all for war in iraq ......and has the same nwo handlers from his fellow bonesmen(poppy bush) ....
it isnt just the military being prizatized its the mail, jails and everything else....the new fascism is privatization

no the economic collapse isnt till after the s-election..... the fed is printing off tons of fiat currency right now and the housing market will collapse due to increased interest rates....so low now they have to go up.....inflation will worsen......most of the elites in the know have cashed out of wall street and purchased islands

i think moore could be in cahoots with the globalists..... they do control the false left-right paradigm and his solution to bush and the war is too bow down to the UN and let them take over.....his solution is a wrong one imo.......if you want to see a real 911 movie ...watch this one......moore saw this first and decided to do his own
911 the road to tyranny (http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm)

tomorrow im going to see randy weaver speak at the truth seekers meeting here in austin.....weaver's wife and son were murdered at ruby ridge idaho in 1992 by fbi hostage rescue team

*Hits head repeatedly on Laptop*

1. Fabian Socialists? No, maybe just peole that care about more than themselves, thats what america was like before the 50's when people lived in the same place their whole life.

2. I know that, thats what I tell people when they talk about "President" Bush.

3. You need to speak with someone that has a basic knowing of econmics. Interest rates are going to come up soon, and the "recovery" will continue as usual. Last december you predicted that oil would be priced in Euro's starting this spring. Too bad that idiot reported us. You then predicted an economic collapse that would lead to a war, sometime this spring.

4. No, Bush's solution is to get rid of the problem and make NATO or the UN involved, even though he turned his back to them in March '03.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
*Hits head repeatedly on Laptop*

1. Fabian Socialists? No, maybe just peole that care about more than themselves, thats what america was like before the 50's when people lived in the same place their whole life.

2. I know that, thats what I tell people when they talk about "President" Bush.

3. You need to speak with someone that has a basic knowing of econmics. Interest rates are going to come up soon, and the "recovery" will continue as usual. Last december you predicted that oil would be priced in Euro's starting this spring. Too bad that idiot reported us. You then predicted an economic collapse that would lead to a war, sometime this spring.

4. No, Bush's solution is to get rid of the problem and make NATO or the UN involved, even though he turned his back to them in March '03.

1.so what does that mean? john kerry loves us all? the only good thing about a kerry presidency is that i can go back to being a right wing extremist instead of a liberal.....cuz now gun rights and freedom seeking is LIBERAL
2. bush is a puppet ...kerry is a puppet
3. yeah economic collapses are scripted ...i know what i need to know about the fed.....it is a private corporation....the irs is a private corporation they both were born in 1913 at jekyl island off the coast of georgia in a secret meeting ...the 7 men there were
1. nelson w. aldrich , republican whip in the senate, chairman of the national monetary commision, business associate of j.p. morgan, father in law to john d. rockefeller jr.
2.abraham piatt andrew, assistant secretery of the us treasury
3.frank a. vanderlip,pres. of natl. city bank of new york, the most powerful bank of the time, representing william rockefeller and the international investment banking house of kuhn, loeb and company
4. henry p. davison, senior partner of the j.p. morgan company
5. charles d. norton, pres. of j.p. morgans first natl. bank of new york
6.benjamin strong, head of j.p. morgans bankers trust company
7.paul m. warburg, a partner in kuhn, loeb and company, a rep. of the rothschild banking dynasty in england and france, and brother to max warburg who was head of the warburg banking consortium in germany and the netherlands

these men met and drew up the plans to get congress to enact the federal reserve act...bottom line is that print fiat money backed by the whip of the us govt......it is not free market money(gold and silver are) alan greenspan sets the value of the money.....so what is it that i need to know about the fed?....why dont you do some research yourself...start with a book called
The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1.so what does that mean? john kerry loves us all? the only good thing about a kerry presidency is that i can go back to being a right wing extremist instead of a liberal.....cuz now gun rights and freedom seeking is LIBERAL
2. bush is a puppet ...kerry is a puppet
3. yeah economic collapses are scripted ...i know what i need to know about the fed.....it is a private corporation....the irs is a private corporation they both were born in 1913 at jekyl island off the coast of georgia in a secret meeting ...the 7 men there were
1. nelson w. aldrich , republican whip in the senate, chairman of the national monetary commision, business associate of j.p. morgan, father in law to john d. rockefeller jr.
2.abraham piatt andrew, assistant secretery of the us treasury
3.frank a. vanderlip,pres. of natl. city bank of new york, the most powerful bank of the time, representing william rockefeller and the international investment banking house of kuhn, loeb and company
4. henry p. davison, senior partner of the j.p. morgan company
5. charles d. norton, pres. of j.p. morgans first natl. bank of new york
6.benjamin strong, head of j.p. morgans bankers trust company
7.paul m. warburg, a partner in kuhn, loeb and company, a rep. of the rothschild banking dynasty in england and france, and brother to max warburg who was head of the warburg banking consortium in germany and the netherlands

these men met and drew up the plans to get congress to enact the federal reserve act...bottom line is that print fiat money backed by the whip of the us govt......it is not free market money(gold and silver are) alan greenspan sets the value of the money.....so what is it that i need to know about the fed?....why dont you do some research yourself...start with a book called
The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin

1. I know, liberals do the right thing 95% of the time. I dont see why anyone would be proud of being a right wing extremist, its facism on that side. Being a right wing extremist also carries the name of being a racist, and proud of it. I like to determine what I think of people after I have talked with them and learned about them. Not based on the color of their skin or religion.
2. Bush is a puppet of the corporations, Kerry is a puppet of the people/DNC.
3. Scripted? WTF? 99% of business is small business. Even the huge companies employ less than 50,000 (Each) people in this country.
4. They were the leading people in the industry, and thus, were thought to know about finances.

No, Greenspan sets the federal interest rate. The rate which determines the interest the Fed charges on all loans that go through them. The lower it goes the easier it is to borrow money. Here's a defnition of inflation.
OMFG! (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inflation)


The IRS and Federal reserve bank were both formed at the same time because they both control money in the country. The Fed. manages it and the IRS collects it.

And if taxes were invented by the NWO, why did they raise them in the 50's and 60's but cut them in the 80's and the last few years. But clinton raised them between the cuts!

The money that is printed is to satisfy the orders of banks and to replace worn out currency.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. I know, liberals do the right thing 95% of the time. I dont see why anyone would be proud of being a right wing extremist, its facism on that side. Being a right wing extremist also carries the name of being a racist, and proud of it. I like to determine what I think of people after I have talked with them and learned about them. Not based on the color of their skin or religion.
2. Bush is a puppet of the corporations, Kerry is a puppet of the people/DNC.
3. Scripted? WTF? 99% of business is small business. Even the huge companies employ less than 50,000 (Each) people in this country.
4. They were the leading people in the industry, and thus, were thought to know about finances.

No, Greenspan sets the federal interest rate. The rate which determines the interest the Fed charges on all loans that go through them. The lower it goes the easier it is to borrow money. Here's a defnition of inflation.
OMFG! (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inflation)


The IRS and Federal reserve bank were both formed at the same time because they both control money in the country. The Fed. manages it and the IRS collects it.

And if taxes were invented by the NWO, why did they raise them in the 50's and 60's but cut them in the 80's and the last few years. But clinton raised them between the cuts!

The money that is printed is to satisfy the orders of banks and to replace worn out currency.

1. hah proves my point....the right -left paradigm is a false one because everyone has a differing opinion on what a liberal is or what right-winger is......cuz the way it is now is that anyone who disagrees with bush is a liberal.....and during the clintonista regime anyone who disagreed with slick willie was a right wing extremist......so when kerry gets s-elected if ya disagree with long-devil(skull n bones nickname for kerry) your a right wing extremist......the true classification of political ideals should be collectivist vs. individualist.....because those 2 ideals are set in stone definitions......leave racism out of this argument because it doesnt apply ....im not a racist....i think a black man should be prez.....that would inject a different philosophy and would be good for the country....as long as he isnt a uncle tom like powell....who would sell out his race in a heart second

2.. puh-leazeeeee kerry is the same as bush ..he's no populist...he's a rich east coast elite scumbag

3.economic crashes are scripted there were several in the late 1800's and early 1900's ....thats how they sold the fed to the american people as banking reform....wich it isnt

4. those same people's desendents still own everything.....the money creation swindle isnt about printed currency...thats counterfitting<sp>..... the way money is created is thru loans and credit....example is if you go borrow 100k to buy a house the 100k you borrowed is created out of thin air and the bank charges you usury on it .....everytime someone uses a credit card it is money created out of nothing.....so when greenspan raises the rate as i just read he is doing to fight inflation its becuase there is too much debt and it devalues the currency out there....causing inflation ....milk is 4.50 a gallon now....food prices are way up and no it isnt cuz of high gas prices

taxes are nothing more than the elite shifting wealth from the middle class to all the poor illegal aliens and the generations of welfare mothers in the ghettos....nothing more.....why should we pay taxes when the govt. just spends it like a drunken sailor on leave with a pocketful of money......paying halliburton, bechtel, lockheed, raytheon and the rest huge no bid contracts for services that arent needed

[williethebasset]

I'm going fishing until tuesday afternoon. I'll try to respond before I go, but otherwise I'll respond when I get back. Feel free to post something and I will respond when I get back.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. hah proves my point....the right -left paradigm is a false one because everyone has a differing opinion on what a liberal is or what right-winger is......cuz the way it is now is that anyone who disagrees with bush is a liberal.....and during the clintonista regime anyone who disagreed with slick willie was a right wing extremist......so when kerry gets s-elected if ya disagree with long-devil(skull n bones nickname for kerry) your a right wing extremist......the true classification of political ideals should be collectivist vs. individualist.....because those 2 ideals are set in stone definitions......leave racism out of this argument because it doesnt apply ....im not a racist....i think a black man should be prez.....that would inject a different philosophy and would be good for the country....as long as he isnt a uncle tom like powell....who would sell out his race in a heart second

2.. puh-leazeeeee kerry is the same as bush ..he's no populist...he's a rich east coast elite scumbag

3.economic crashes are scripted there were several in the late 1800's and early 1900's ....thats how they sold the fed to the american people as banking reform....wich it isnt

4. those same people's desendents still own everything.....the money creation swindle isnt about printed currency...thats counterfitting<sp>..... the way money is created is thru loans and credit....example is if you go borrow 100k to buy a house the 100k you borrowed is created out of thin air and the bank charges you usury on it .....everytime someone uses a credit card it is money created out of nothing.....so when greenspan raises the rate as i just read he is doing to fight inflation its becuase there is too much debt and it devalues the currency out there....causing inflation ....milk is 4.50 a gallon now....food prices are way up and no it isnt cuz of high gas prices

taxes are nothing more than the elite shifting wealth from the middle class to all the poor illegal aliens and the generations of welfare mothers in the ghettos....nothing more.....why should we pay taxes when the govt. just spends it like a drunken sailor on leave with a pocketful of money......paying halliburton, bechtel, lockheed, raytheon and the rest huge no bid contracts for services that arent needed

1. The far-right disagrees with bush because he hasnt abolished the dollar, restored Israel for the second coming of jesus, and killed all non-christians. Anyways, the left-right spectrum was created in early 19th century france. I think the spectrum would work better as a triangle between liberals, conservatives, and anarchists. (I got the idea from HOI) It would weed out the fringe groups by placing them where they belong, as libertarians would be between conservatives and anarchists, greens would be between liberals and anarchists. This triangle would only work in the US though, not internationaly, since some places are not democracies. You can be a liberal and still dislike or even hate Clinton, I know that the unions are not fond of him because of his NAFTA fiasco.

2. Your classification of Kerry as an elitist is wrong. Just because someone is rich does that mean they are an elitist? No. Thats like saying someone is poor because they are lazy or someone is rich because they work hard. There are plenty of people who are poor and work hard jobs, like Wal Mart, or janitor (I work with them at my summer job), and there are plenty of rich people who are lazy like CEO's, Doctors, Investors. Just because someone is rich it does not mean they are an elitist. Yes, John Kerry may have come from a privelaged backround, but not all rich people were raised rich. Two uber-nerds, Michael Dell, and Bill Gates were raised middle class, just like you (I assume) and I.

3. Unless ALL small business is controlled by the NWO, which it isnt, economic collapses are not scripted. Do you think clay dreslough is part of the NWO too? He had to go back to full time work and laid off 2 people. I remember reading all of this on the forums.

4. If you borrow 100k to buy a house, then the value is from the house, so yes, the money is created out of nowhere, but its really just turning the house into money. If you dont pay the bank back for the house than the bank forcloses on the loan and then they sell the house to get the value of it back. Credit card debt is different because the debt is unsecured, meaning yes, the money is created out of nowhere, but, it will hurt your credit rating and thus, prevent you from getting money in the future for any debt, secured or unsecured. The price of milk has gone up because of mad cow. The demand for cows has gone up because the family farmers have cashed in on the mad cow scare and made money by selling cows, rather than selling milk. This means the milk supply has gone down and prices have gone up.

5. Taxes are largely paid by the richest people. The top 5% pay almost half the taxes. http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. The far-right disagrees with bush because he hasnt abolished the dollar, restored Israel for the second coming of jesus, and killed all non-christians. Anyways, the left-right spectrum was created in early 19th century france. I think the spectrum would work better as a triangle between liberals, conservatives, and anarchists. (I got the idea from HOI) It would weed out the fringe groups by placing them where they belong, as libertarians would be between conservatives and anarchists, greens would be between liberals and anarchists. This triangle would only work in the US though, not internationaly, since some places are not democracies. You can be a liberal and still dislike or even hate Clinton, I know that the unions are not fond of him because of his NAFTA fiasco.

2. Your classification of Kerry as an elitist is wrong. Just because someone is rich does that mean they are an elitist? No. Thats like saying someone is poor because they are lazy or someone is rich because they work hard. There are plenty of people who are poor and work hard jobs, like Wal Mart, or janitor (I work with them at my summer job), and there are plenty of rich people who are lazy like CEO's, Doctors, Investors. Just because someone is rich it does not mean they are an elitist. Yes, John Kerry may have come from a privelaged backround, but not all rich people were raised rich. Two uber-nerds, Michael Dell, and Bill Gates were raised middle class, just like you (I assume) and I.

3. Unless ALL small business is controlled by the NWO, which it isnt, economic collapses are not scripted. Do you think clay dreslough is part of the NWO too? He had to go back to full time work and laid off 2 people. I remember reading all of this on the forums.

4. If you borrow 100k to buy a house, then the value is from the house, so yes, the money is created out of nowhere, but its really just turning the house into money. If you dont pay the bank back for the house than the bank forcloses on the loan and then they sell the house to get the value of it back. Credit card debt is different because the debt is unsecured, meaning yes, the money is created out of nowhere, but, it will hurt your credit rating and thus, prevent you from getting money in the future for any debt, secured or unsecured. The price of milk has gone up because of mad cow. The demand for cows has gone up because the family farmers have cashed in on the mad cow scare and made money by selling cows, rather than selling milk. This means the milk supply has gone down and prices have gone up.

5. Taxes are largely paid by the richest people. The top 5% pay almost half the taxes. http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm

1. like i said before ....liberal, conservative, etc. people have differing views of what is a liberal or a conservative.....thats my argument....so how can u debate an issue if 2 people think 2 different meanings of the same word?
2. ummm i'm sorry but if your a billionairethen your pretty much an elitist.....yes some rich people got there money the old fashioned way they earned it....like mark cuban did....kerry is a blueblood elitist whose family liniage goes back to european royalty..
3.small busineses have nothing to do with economic downturn ....wall street does that
4.whatever.....your very nieve
5.rich people dont pay taxes.....again your very nieve

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. like i said before ....liberal, conservative, etc. people have differing views of what is a liberal or a conservative.....thats my argument....so how can u debate an issue if 2 people think 2 different meanings of the same word?
2. ummm i'm sorry but if your a billionairethen your pretty much an elitist.....yes some rich people got there money the old fashioned way they earned it....like mark cuban did....kerry is a blueblood elitist whose family liniage goes back to european royalty..
3.small busineses have nothing to do with economic downturn ....wall street does that
4.whatever.....your very nieve
5.rich people dont pay taxes.....again your very nieve

1. A description fits a general view. If you say SUV I could think Chrysler PAcifica, and you could think Cadillac Escalade, and another person could think Toyota Rav4.
2. Proof about his history needed.
3. Proof from a credible source
4. No, ask anyone, you are closed minded.
5. Read the facts, it shows someone pays taxes for the top 1%.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. A description fits a general view. If you say SUV I could think Chrysler PAcifica, and you could think Cadillac Escalade, and another person could think Toyota Rav4.
2. Proof about his history needed.
3. Proof from a credible source
4. No, ask anyone, you are closed minded.
5. Read the facts, it shows someone pays taxes for the top 1%.

1. we can all agree a suv is a car right? political philosphy cant be equated to suv's your anology makes no sense
2.liniage of bush and kerry.....there cousins (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2004/063004strangerelations.htm)
3. dont really understand your argument about small business....what would happen if just 20% of americans withdrew there money from the banks?
4.whatever ...mad cow? your drawing at straws....proof please
5.rich people dont pay taxes....ever hear of tax loopholes?

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. we can all agree a suv is a car right? political philosphy cant be equated to suv's your anology makes no sense
2.liniage of bush and kerry.....there cousins (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2004/063004strangerelations.htm)
3. dont really understand your argument about small business....what would happen if just 20% of americans withdrew there money from the banks?
4.whatever ...mad cow? your drawing at straws....proof please
5.rich people dont pay taxes....ever hear of tax loopholes?


I'm on vacation right now, so i dont really feel like getting into specifics.
1. The poltical spectrum works. Conservatives generally oppose all change and want to go to "The way things used to be" Liberals want change and dont like the way things are.
2. I'm not going to believe a conspiracy theorists web site, thats like believing Ann Coulter and the **** that she spews.She's crazy (http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/042804p.htm)
3. Which 20%? The top 20% with 65% of the money, or the bottom 20% with 10% of the money. I'm not a communistor socialist, but its unfair the way things are run right now.
4. How a mortagage works (http://money.howstuffworks.com/mortgage23.htm)
5. Yeah, I know, but they still pay some taxes. But then again, they get deductions for their $50,000 plus SUV's because it "helps business" thats because those usually run a $20,000 profit for the car maker. Buy american.

[williethebasset]

I'm back from vacation.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I'm on vacation right now, so i dont really feel like getting into specifics.
1. The poltical spectrum works. Conservatives generally oppose all change and want to go to "The way things used to be" Liberals want change and dont like the way things are.
2. I'm not going to believe a conspiracy theorists web site, thats like believing Ann Coulter and the **** that she spews.She's crazy (http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/042804p.htm)
3. Which 20%? The top 20% with 65% of the money, or the bottom 20% with 10% of the money. I'm not a communistor socialist, but its unfair the way things are run right now.
4. How a mortagage works (http://money.howstuffworks.com/mortgage23.htm)
5. Yeah, I know, but they still pay some taxes. But then again, they get deductions for their $50,000 plus SUV's because it "helps business" thats because those usually run a $20,000 profit for the car maker. Buy american.


1. the 2 party system is run by all the same people....besides the prez. is a puppet who is controlled by the globalist king-makers.....the whole argument is moot
2.ok so ya want a mainstream website? the mainstream has reported on bush and kerry being distant cousins....its a fact
3.any 20% of the people taking there money out the banks would cause a bank run that would expose the fractional reserve banking system for the fraud it is......there would not be enough money to go around
4.what your link failed to mention is where the money comes from.......when a bank lends money it is created out of thin air and ya get charged tons of interest on it
5.the middle class pays taxes ...not rich people....its how the wealth redistribution system is carried out.....the globalists hate the middle-class they wanna see us dependant on the nanny state to take care of us....which is nothing more than a way of control

[kingmob]

hey willie check out this thread
who hates kingmob? (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56086)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
hey willie check out this thread
who hates kingmob? (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56086)

lol

I responded with some humor.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. the 2 party system is run by all the same people....besides the prez. is a puppet who is controlled by the globalist king-makers.....the whole argument is moot
2.ok so ya want a mainstream website? the mainstream has reported on bush and kerry being distant cousins....its a fact
3.any 20% of the people taking there money out the banks would cause a bank run that would expose the fractional reserve banking system for the fraud it is......there would not be enough money to go around
4.what your link failed to mention is where the money comes from.......when a bank lends money it is created out of thin air and ya get charged tons of interest on it
5.the middle class pays taxes ...not rich people....its how the wealth redistribution system is carried out.....the globalists hate the middle-class they wanna see us dependant on the nanny state to take care of us....which is nothing more than a way of control

1. So, everyone in the democratic party is a globalist? Or just the decision makers? My party has no leadership, thats the problem. our senators are not leading the party.
2. Ok. And, guess what? Chruchhill, Rossevelt, and Eisenhower were all cousins, 8 times removed.
3. Its called FDIC insurance. The FDIC has enough money to insure every account up to $100,000. That money is created out of nowhere, but backed by the government.
4. The money is created out of the value of the house. Buying a house is like buying a car, but bigger, more expensive, and the value usually goes up. The money is not created out of nowhere, it is created out of the value of whatever you buy.
5. Ummm no.

On another note, I saw F 9-11 and it was great. I dont see how its related to that conspircy theory movie, as Michael Moore did not talk about how Clinton was the mastermind of Oklahoma City in 1995.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. So, everyone in the democratic party is a globalist? Or just the decision makers? My party has no leadership, thats the problem. our senators are not leading the party.
2. Ok. And, guess what? Chruchhill, Rossevelt, and Eisenhower were all cousins, 8 times removed.
3. Its called FDIC insurance. The FDIC has enough money to insure every account up to $100,000. That money is created out of nowhere, but backed by the government.
4. The money is created out of the value of the house. Buying a house is like buying a car, but bigger, more expensive, and the value usually goes up. The money is not created out of nowhere, it is created out of the value of whatever you buy.
5. Ummm no.

On another note, I saw F 9-11 and it was great. I dont see how its related to that conspircy theory movie, as Michael Moore did not talk about how Clinton was the mastermind of Oklahoma City in 1995.


1. no not every democrat is a globalist but most of them are....any democrat in the cfr, bilderbergers, trilateral commision, UN, rhodes scholars are globalists....my favorite democrat was murdered...paul wellstone ...his favorite quote is that he's for the little fellers not the rockefellers.....j. rockefeller is a democrat
2.exactly ....and they were all filthy globalists
3.yeah ok the fed prints a ton of money to pay bank withdrawels but in the process they cause hyper-inflation due to putting tons of currency in circulation
4.the value of the house is collateral to a loan created out of thin air
5.whatever

did you watch 911:trtt? watch the whole thing

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. no not every democrat is a globalist but most of them are....any democrat in the cfr, bilderbergers, trilateral commision, UN, rhodes scholars are globalists....my favorite democrat was murdered...paul wellstone ...his favorite quote is that he's for the little fellers not the rockefellers.....j. rockefeller is a democrat
2.exactly ....and they were all filthy globalists
3.yeah ok the fed prints a ton of money to pay bank withdrawels but in the process they cause hyper-inflation due to putting tons of currency in circulation
4.the value of the house is collateral to a loan created out of thin air
5.whatever

did you watch 911:trtt? watch the whole thing

1. I liked him too, but I still like edwards. Remember, there are more glbalist republicans because all the big corporations are controlled by CEO's.
2. As long as someone shares the same general ethnic backround, they are bound to be related. 8 generations back is not terribly closely related. On my dads side I'm related to the guy heading the 9-11 compensation by 3 generations, does that make me a globalist?
3. I would rather have a gold backed currency. When I'm elected president thats what I'll do.
4. King, the consolidation of banks began in the 1980's. Mortages started in the 1920's.
5. BaaaaaaaaaaHAHAAA (The sheep sound):confused:

I'll watch it tonight.

[williethebasset]

Want to know how I plan on striking back at the globalists who outsource programming? By not paying for their software. (If you get my drift)

[williethebasset]

Oh yes, I have started to eat organic whenever possible. Right now I am eating Organic Macoroni with organic milk and organic butter. I also eat homegrown lettuce (from a pot on my back deck), and organic fruits from the store. There is a guy on the corner that sells non-mainstream medicine, so whenever I get sick next, I think I'll try it.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. I liked him too, but I still like edwards. Remember, there are more glbalist republicans because all the big corporations are controlled by CEO's.
2. As long as someone shares the same general ethnic backround, they are bound to be related. 8 generations back is not terribly closely related. On my dads side I'm related to the guy heading the 9-11 compensation by 3 generations, does that make me a globalist?
3. I would rather have a gold backed currency. When I'm elected president thats what I'll do.
4. King, the consolidation of banks began in the 1980's. Mortages started in the 1920's.
5. BaaaaaaaaaaHAHAAA (The sheep sound):confused:

I'll watch it tonight.

1.doesnt matter if theres more or less ...the 2 dems running for pres are globalists and thats what matters
2.the illuminatti bloodlines go back centuries and they care greatly about the purity of there bloodlines.....thats why they all intermarry ....society weddings and such.....again your subscribing to the accidental theory of history......everything happens for a reason and history events are mostly scripted ....exept for the acts of god floods and tornados and such
3.the illumanatti banksters agents would kill you in 2 seconds or anyone if they try to kill the federal reserve banking cartel......start paying for stuff in silver.....thats what i do
www.norfed.com
4.actually 1913 with the creation of the beast(fed) yeah so and your point is?

yeah that film is a great one for waking people out the soma induced slumber the sheeple are in Baaaa

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Oh yes, I have started to eat organic whenever possible. Right now I am eating Organic Macoroni with organic milk and organic butter. I also eat homegrown lettuce (from a pot on my back deck), and organic fruits from the store. There is a guy on the corner that sells non-mainstream medicine, so whenever I get sick next, I think I'll try it.

good for you ......because most of the foods out there at the grocery store is full of aspartame, msg,preservatives, and pesticides......or they are GMO's .......the illumanatti globalists run the food industries ......the big kill lots of cattle, chickens(tyson), and pigs are ran by tyson.....dont buy tyson products there animals are shot up with hormones, anti-biotics and whatever other goodies Monsanto can cook up in there lab like bovine growth hormones that they give to milk cows ....which is pure garbage.....buy horizon milk if ya can ....hormone free....

lots of good homeopathic cures using herbs and spices

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1.doesnt matter if theres more or less ...the 2 dems running for pres are globalists and thats what matters

2.the illuminatti bloodlines go back centuries and they care greatly about the purity of there bloodlines.....thats why they all intermarry ....society weddings and such.....again your subscribing to the accidental theory of history......everything happens for a reason and history events are mostly scripted ....exept for the acts of god floods and tornados and such

3.the illumanatti banksters agents would kill you in 2 seconds or anyone if they try to kill the federal reserve banking cartel......start paying for stuff in silver.....thats what i do
www.norfed.com

4.actually 1913 with the creation of the beast(fed) yeah so and your point is?

yeah that film is a great one for waking people out the soma induced slumber the sheeple are in Baaaa

Sorry I havent been able to respond, dialup pisses me off.

1. Edwards is not a globalist. Show me evidence that he voted for something similar to globalization.

2. I'm not going to argue with you about the benefits of inbreeding because I dont breed horses, so I dont really know any, to speak of. But for you to say all historical events are scripted, is wrong, because you are. Answer which of the following events our country has been part were scripted Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam war, Iran hostage crisis, and school violence. Also, please explain how the delta ops are blowing up things in Iraq as you stated previously.

3. Whats easier, and hurts the companies more is if you charge everything on your credit card (preferable with extensive rewards) and then pay it off in full each month. That way you pay no interest, and you get money back from them.

4. Actually, mortgages were created when people started buying and owning houses, also known as the middle class, which was not until the 1920's.

Oh yeah, the US treasury prints the money, not the federal reserve.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
good for you ......because most of the foods out there at the grocery store is full of aspartame, msg,preservatives, and pesticides......or they are GMO's .......the illumanatti globalists run the food industries ......the big kill lots of cattle, chickens(tyson), and pigs are ran by tyson.....dont buy tyson products there animals are shot up with hormones, anti-biotics and whatever other goodies Monsanto can cook up in there lab like bovine growth hormones that they give to milk cows ....which is pure garbage.....buy horizon milk if ya can ....hormone free....

lots of good homeopathic cures using herbs and spices

Tyson stuff is good though, but I've only had one bag of chicken in the last year, its very unhealthy. Is Kraft Maccaroni good? I usually eat that with brocolli and carrots with some Hood or Garelick milk (I think these are local brands).

[williethebasset]

Also, whats good, is lettuce, its very easy to grow, just place it under the edge of a roof with no gutter and whenever it rains, the lettuce is watered. I think it rains here though.

Also of note, its been cooler and wetter than normal for the last 10 months in a row.

[williethebasset]

A few stories

Too Much TV in Childhood Tied to Poor Health Later (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=5694889)
Nuke discs lost again (http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,94586,00.html)
Air Pollution is damaging oceans (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/16/1089694565474.html?oneclick=true)
A la carte TV (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116929,00.asp)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Sorry I havent been able to respond, dialup pisses me off.

1. Edwards is not a globalist. Show me evidence that he voted for something similar to globalization.

2. I'm not going to argue with you about the benefits of inbreeding because I dont breed horses, so I dont really know any, to speak of. But for you to say all historical events are scripted, is wrong, because you are. Answer which of the following events our country has been part were scripted Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam war, Iran hostage crisis, and school violence. Also, please explain how the delta ops are blowing up things in Iraq as you stated previously.

3. Whats easier, and hurts the companies more is if you charge everything on your credit card (preferable with extensive rewards) and then pay it off in full each month. That way you pay no interest, and you get money back from them.

4. Actually, mortgages were created when people started buying and owning houses, also known as the middle class, which was not until the 1920's.

Oh yeah, the US treasury prints the money, not the federal reserve.

1.edwards is a globalist heres a nytimes article talking about how the bilderbergers annoited edwards........3yrs. ago you were a kook if ya talked about the bilderberg...also he wants to create a domestic spy agency....gestapo basically
bilderberg likes edwards (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56627)
kerry and edwards promote creation of domestic spy agency (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/070704spyagency.htm)
2.all those wars were scripted by the illuminatti bankers who backed all sides financially....the iran hostage release was scripted remember iran-contra?....school shooters were all kids whacked out on govt. drugs
3.if your gonna do that then just pay cash....screw credit cards i have none
4.ok
funny when i look at my money it says federal reserve note on it....i dont treasury note anywhere on it ...except the sec. of treasury's signature......

bottom line is that the democratic platform is not anti-war and either is the republicans they both have the same agenda...dont be fooled

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Tyson stuff is good though, but I've only had one bag of chicken in the last year, its very unhealthy. Is Kraft Maccaroni good? I usually eat that with brocolli and carrots with some Hood or Garelick milk (I think these are local brands).

only reason chicken is unhealthy is because tyson shoots up there chickens with anti-biotics and hormones.....buy free range chicken.....kraft isnt good ...probly full of massive preservatives

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Also, whats good, is lettuce, its very easy to grow, just place it under the edge of a roof with no gutter and whenever it rains, the lettuce is watered. I think it rains here though.

Also of note, its been cooler and wetter than normal for the last 10 months in a row.

too hot down here to grow anything but jalepenos and squash

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
only reason chicken is unhealthy is because tyson shoots up there chickens with anti-biotics and hormones.....buy free range chicken.....kraft isnt good ...probly full of massive preservatives

Well, there is a place in the town my dad lives in that sells grass fed, no hormone, etc. Chicken meat.

I had a 1/2 pound steak burger the other night and then almost threw up a few hours later. I dont know why, I suspect it was something in the meat.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1.edwards is a globalist heres a nytimes article talking about how the bilderbergers annoited edwards........3yrs. ago you were a kook if ya talked about the bilderberg...also he wants to create a domestic spy agency....gestapo basically
bilderberg likes edwards (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56627)
kerry and edwards promote creation of domestic spy agency (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/070704spyagency.htm)
2.all those wars were scripted by the illuminatti bankers who backed all sides financially....the iran hostage release was scripted remember iran-contra?....school shooters were all kids whacked out on govt. drugs
3.if your gonna do that then just pay cash....screw credit cards i have none
4.ok
funny when i look at my money it says federal reserve note on it....i dont treasury note anywhere on it ...except the sec. of treasury's signature......

bottom line is that the democratic platform is not anti-war and either is the republicans they both have the same agenda...dont be fooled

1. No, King, relax, although since your view of Al Qaeda is different than my view, we will have differing strategies on how to combat them.
2. One kid wanted to kill more people than Timothy McVeigh, the other was his friend. World War one was a result of Imperialism. Dont be a ****ing idiot.
3. But you get rewards!
4. Except for the fact the treasury makes it.

I'm not fooled. I'm an independent anyways, I am a left leaning isolationist.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
too hot down here to grow anything but jalepenos and squash

Squash is good though. Really good.

[williethebasset]

Today one of the guys I work with at work, who is 61, and tends to vote republican, said he thinks there will be a revolution.

[goyanks225]

I am absolutely appalled by the fact that President Bush is actually still a contender in the election. Think about all he's done:

1) He knew about 9/11 on 8/6...listen to Condi Rice's testimony to the 9/11 Commission. He may only read the titles of the PDB's, but the title was "bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside U.S."
2) He has completely screwed us over in Iraq, and none of his justfications for going to war are just.
a) WMD - THERE ARE NONE
b) Link to al Qaeda - THERE WAS NONE
c) Iraq is safer - no it's not, they have no infrastructure anymore, at least they used to have SOME kind of stable gov't. And even if they were, there are many nations around the world that would be better off without brutal dictators...why Iraq?
d) The world is safer - we have made Iraq a breeding ground for terrorism
HE LIED TO US
3) The economy is a mess - we have massive inflation, I have not seen a gas price under $2.00 in 2-3 years
4) Unemployment - he is going to be the first President since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs at the end of his term
5) Tax cuts - THEY DON'T WORK!!! It has become quite obvious that the "trickle-down effect" does not work, and even if it did, it is no time to cut government income. We are in a war, and are facing a massive deficit and massive recession.

And don't even tell me he inherited recession from Clinton. That's rediculous. Clinton had some of the biggest economic growth in HISTORY.

Kerry/Edwards 2004
"Bring it on"

[kingmob]

Originally posted by goyanks225
I am absolutely appalled by the fact that President Bush is actually still a contender in the election. Think about all he's done:

1) He knew about 9/11 on 8/6...listen to Condi Rice's testimony to the 9/11 Commission. He may only read the titles of the PDB's, but the title was "bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside U.S."
2) He has completely screwed us over in Iraq, and none of his justfications for going to war are just.
a) WMD - THERE ARE NONE
b) Link to al Qaeda - THERE WAS NONE
c) Iraq is safer - no it's not, they have no infrastructure anymore, at least they used to have SOME kind of stable gov't. And even if they were, there are many nations around the world that would be better off without brutal dictators...why Iraq?
d) The world is safer - we have made Iraq a breeding ground for terrorism
HE LIED TO US
3) The economy is a mess - we have massive inflation, I have not seen a gas price under $2.00 in 2-3 years
4) Unemployment - he is going to be the first President since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs at the end of his term
5) Tax cuts - THEY DON'T WORK!!! It has become quite obvious that the "trickle-down effect" does not work, and even if it did, it is no time to cut government income. We are in a war, and are facing a massive deficit and massive recession.

And don't even tell me he inherited recession from Clinton. That's rediculous. Clinton had some of the biggest economic growth in HISTORY.

Kerry/Edwards 2004
"Bring it on"

hi goyanks welcome to the discussion.......i agree with you on every point you make....however bush is just a puppet to the globalists ....kerry/edwards will be puppets too....nothing will change once the dems. take over(if theres an election)
edwards was picked by the bilderberg group meeting in italy....they are globalists thru and thru....kerry is on record as saying that he wants to turn over our military to UN rule....that is just wrong

[Hash1]

I honestly cant stand Bush or Kerry. I wish Clinton could be our President again. This year will be the first time i get the chance to vote(since im 18). I will be voting for Kerry though. I think Bush has done a horrible job as our president and i think its time for a change.

[Hash1]

I just ran into this dedication video a couple days ago. Regardless of how you feel about 9/11 i think this is great video and is worth watching. Its 20 mins long.

http://www.btrocks.com/index.php

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. No, King, relax, although since your view of Al Qaeda is different than my view, we will have differing strategies on how to combat them.
2. One kid wanted to kill more people than Timothy McVeigh, the other was his friend. World War one was a result of Imperialism. Dont be a ****ing idiot.
3. But you get rewards!
4. Except for the fact the treasury makes it.

I'm not fooled. I'm an independent anyways, I am a left leaning isolationist.

1. there is no al-queda
goldstein is the states fictional terrorist in "1984" (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/goldstein.html)
2.lol whatever ever hear about mkultra..... mind control slaves
3. so what .....you get a toaster if ya open up a savings account...same thing
4.the fed is private...you are very ignorant about how money works

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Squash is good though. Really good.

yep

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Today one of the guys I work with at work, who is 61, and tends to vote republican, said he thinks there will be a revolution.

if we go code red homeland security rating and martial law it will be on like a pot of neck-bones.....martial law means the susspension of the constituttion....that means whoever has the guns makes the rules.......

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
I honestly cant stand Bush or Kerry. I wish Clinton could be our President again. This year will be the first time i get the chance to vote(since im 18). I will be voting for Kerry though. I think Bush has done a horrible job as our president and i think its time for a change.

hi hash....well a vote for kerry or bush will mean a vote for war.....kerry has no intention of ending the iraq war.....since your 18 be very afraid since the draft is looming.....clinton was a scumbag he blew up the murray building in okc and killed the davidians in waco......he also bombed the **** out of serbia....clinton was globalist puppet just like bush is and just like kerry will be....bush/kerry election is like a hitler/stalin election.....they both pledge there allegiance to skull n bones and the globalist agenda.....everything they do benifits the elite....

[kingmob]

4th and 5th admendment has devolved to this
man tortured in knoxville by cops (http://wbir.com/News/news.asp?ID=18967)

what the elite are up to right now at bohemian grove
gay porn star services the elite (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/220704nypostgaypornstar.htm)

this is funny
this land is your land (http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/this_land)

new slogan"an army of boobs"
boobies (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2979863a4560,00.html)

funny...i thought the gummint said that passengers made cell phone calls on 911......even though that technology wasnt available
cell phones now work on planes....i thought this was possible on 9/11/01...guess not (http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2004-07-19-aircells_x.htm)

this is what freedom of speech has devolved too....free speech zones and ejections threads
free speech zone (http://parkerpettus.com/fleet/index.html)

is the pentagon lying about the body count? i think so
whats the real body count? (http://www.rense.com/general54/off.htm)

one of the gutsiest members of congress we've had....she's baaaaaack
u go girl! (http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc4895.html)

[goyanks225]

The program I'm at this summer is in D.C., and we hear a lot of people in the beaurocracy, House of Reps, and Senate. Last week, among others, we had Dennis Kucinich speak to us. I didn't agree with what he was saying, but it was interesting nonetheless. He spoke about his plan that he introduced a few years ago for a new Department in the Cabinet: the Department of Peace, solely dedicated to making peace in the world in ending war because he said there is a way to end all war. I disagree. While I would always preach peace over war, I believe in some cases war is inevitable (not Iraq, mind you, that was NOT inevitable).

[kingmob]

Originally posted by goyanks225
The program I'm at this summer is in D.C., and we hear a lot of people in the beaurocracy, House of Reps, and Senate. Last week, among others, we had Dennis Kucinich speak to us. I didn't agree with what he was saying, but it was interesting nonetheless. He spoke about his plan that he introduced a few years ago for a new Department in the Cabinet: the Department of Peace, solely dedicated to making peace in the world in ending war because he said there is a way to end all war. I disagree. While I would always preach peace over war, I believe in some cases war is inevitable (not Iraq, mind you, that was NOT inevitable).

the only reason to wage war is when our country is directly threatened or invaded......most all the wars in recent history is all about the illuminatti globalist bankers funding both sides of conflict for war profits......look at vietnam fer instance we gave the soviets multi-million dollars in grain subsidies.....which in turn freed up the soviets to fund north vietnam with weopons to wage war against us in vietnam....thereby fueling the war to go on and on and on.....that war should have been over in 1968 .......instead it lasted till 1975......the same cast of characters and companies war profiteering in vietnam are the same ones profiteering in iraq.....bechtel and kellog,brown and root(halliburton)......it was also about drug running ...same as today....in vietnam they shipped back heroin in dead gi body bags.....poppy production in afghanistan is going gangbusters....the cia is running that too.....daddy bush's nickname is "poppy" bush......and it isnt cuz he's such a good father figure

[goyanks225]

We weren't attacked or threatened by Iraq...Bush was just mad at Saddam for trying to kill his daddy.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by goyanks225
We weren't attacked or threatened by Iraq...Bush was just mad at Saddam for trying to kill his daddy.

that might be one reason but it is much more sophisticated than that.....the illuminatti globalist bankers are using the american military as there shock troops to bring the the whole middle east into the fold of the NWO .....the arabs dont believe in usury....there money system is backed by gold...thats why the kuwaitti dinar is worth $3.50 in us money.....the banksters want to incorporate a central bank in the middle east....we did that in iraq....we looted all there gold and gave them a fiat worthless currencey which is worth like one or two cents a dollar.....also we now have permanent bases to launch strikes against iran, syria, saudia arabia and eqypt....in that order.....to do this the usa will reinstate the draft........the payoff for the neo-cons and the bush crime family is oil and military industrial complex profits.....i think that there plans are stalled due to the fierce fighting of the iraqi people.......we have a ton more causalties than what is being reported.....we have a huge amount of greencard soldiers from mexico and central america.....if they die there chances are they just bury em in the desert.....also mercenery deaths arent reported either
2,000 us soldiers killed in iraq....russian expert (http://www.hindu.com/2004/07/24/stories/2004072402401400.htm)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
if we go code red homeland security rating and martial law it will be on like a pot of neck-bones.....martial law means the susspension of the constituttion....that means whoever has the guns makes the rules.......

The constitution doesnt allow martial law. And there are not enough police officers or soldiers to enforce it.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
4th and 5th admendment has devolved to this
man tortured in knoxville by cops (http://wbir.com/News/news.asp?ID=18967)

what the elite are up to right now at bohemian grove
gay porn star services the elite (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/220704nypostgaypornstar.htm)

this is funny
this land is your land (http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/this_land)

new slogan"an army of boobs"
boobies (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2979863a4560,00.html)

funny...i thought the gummint said that passengers made cell phone calls on 911......even though that technology wasnt available
cell phones now work on planes....i thought this was possible on 9/11/01...guess not (http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2004-07-19-aircells_x.htm)

this is what freedom of speech has devolved too....free speech zones and ejections threads
free speech zone (http://parkerpettus.com/fleet/index.html)

is the pentagon lying about the body count? i think so
whats the real body count? (http://www.rense.com/general54/off.htm)

one of the gutsiest members of congress we've had....she's baaaaaack
u go girl! (http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc4895.html)

1. There are always bad apples, or in this case, megalomaniacs who want to be in control. Yes, it is bad, and that man will get justice, but occasionally, the bad apples end up in good jobs.

2. The link doesnt work.

3. Yeah, I saw it the other day.

4. I have no problem with bigger boobs on women.

5. They dont allow it because people would stop using the .50 cent per minute phones at the seats.

6. lol ejection threads:D I know that area fairly well, and 70% of the area around the fleet center is a construction zone. I think Mayor Menino feared that the police would make a picket line at the DNC, and he didnt want any part of the Big Dig damaged.

7. It wouldnt surprise me.

8. The republicans took control based on fear mongering.

EDIT REASON: 'DOH Forgot to finish the response, clicked submit

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
The constitution doesnt allow martial law. And there are not enough police officers or soldiers to enforce it.

since when do the powers that be follow the constitution? 700,000 cops is enough and all the UN and foreign troops would be able to pull it off......your argument is weak .....these people dont care about the constitution......posse comititus is dead

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. There are always bad apples, or in this case, megalomaniacs who want to be in control. Yes, it is bad, and that man will get justice, but occasionally, the bad apples end up in good jobs.

2. The link doesnt work.

3. Yeah, I saw it the other day.

4. I have no problem with bigger boobs on women.

5. They dont allow it because people would stop using the .50 cent per minute phones at the seats.

6. lol ejection threads:D I know that area fairly well, and 70% of the area around the fleet center is a construction zone. I think Mayor Menino feared that the police would make a picket line at the DNC, and he didnt want any part of the Big Dig damaged.

7. It wouldnt surprise me.

8. The republicans took control based on fear mongering.

EDIT REASON: 'DOH Forgot to finish the response, clicked submit

1.exactly but things like this are happening all over the country.....the good whistle blower cops get fired and the pyschopaths are promoted\
2.gay porn star at the grove (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/220704nypostgaypornstar.htm)
3.pretty good flash animation
4.yeah but all the women in iraq are coming home pregnant ...guess in newspeak it would be considered morale boosters
5.u missed my point......the whole hijacker story of 911 is based on cellphone calls from planes ....in 2001 it was impossible
6.its fascism and doublethink.....the whole country is a free speech zone not some cage they built
7.its probably a lot more than that article even
8.the dems are a bunch of fear mongers too....its bipartisan.....
freedom is slavery.....war is peace....ignorance is strenghth......im slowly learning my double-think....2+2=5

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
since when do the powers that be follow the constitution? 700,000 cops is enough and all the UN and foreign troops would be able to pull it off......your argument is weak .....these people dont care about the constitution......posse comititus is dead

700,000 cops is differnt when you consider a good chunk of those are city-dwellers. And why would the UN or foreign troops be there, wouldnt they be quelling uprisings in their own contries?

Even if there were 10 Million troops here, it is not possible to control a country of our size, population, and terrain -wise.

[williethebasset]

www.politcalcompass.org

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36


Thats me

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1.exactly but things like this are happening all over the country.....the good whistle blower cops get fired and the pyschopaths are promoted\
2.gay porn star at the grove (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/220704nypostgaypornstar.htm)
3.pretty good flash animation
4.yeah but all the women in iraq are coming home pregnant ...guess in newspeak it would be considered morale boosters
5.u missed my point......the whole hijacker story of 911 is based on cellphone calls from planes ....in 2001 it was impossible
6.its fascism and doublethink.....the whole country is a free speech zone not some cage they built
7.its probably a lot more than that article even
8.the dems are a bunch of fear mongers too....its bipartisan.....
freedom is slavery.....war is peace....ignorance is strenghth......im slowly learning my double-think....2+2=5

1. Not true.
2. Maybe Michael Jackson is part of the NWO....
3. The company that owns "This land is your lad" is now trying to have it removed, but the idiots at the record company dont realize copyrights allow parodies, entertainment, etc. As long as it is not being used as a way to make money or use in an unethical way.
4. Yep, but the troops should know how to use condoms. I think that 4 years of public school sex-ed training have prepared me.
5. Cellphone calls were possible, just as it was and still is possible when in a private plane or business jet. The reason airlines dont allow it is because it means that they make less money.
6. So Clay is a facist?:p
7. But one thing you forget though is that 95% of the people in the military are already american citizens, you implied that 45% were american citizens.
8. no, 2+2= Whatever you want it to be (I hate these liberal idiols that wreck my aparty)

[rctbone]

Originally posted by williethebasset
www.politicalcompass.org

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36



Hunh! Everyone else I knew who took it (about 6 friends) all scored much more liberal than me. Both of my scores were around -4.

I highly recommend it.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
700,000 cops is differnt when you consider a good chunk of those are city-dwellers. And why would the UN or foreign troops be there, wouldnt they be quelling uprisings in their own contries?

Even if there were 10 Million troops here, it is not possible to control a country of our size, population, and terrain -wise.

that dont mean they wont try it.......they would just start rounding up people to take to the fema rest and relocation centers....for your safety of course

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
1. Not true.
2. Maybe Michael Jackson is part of the NWO....
3. The company that owns "This land is your lad" is now trying to have it removed, but the idiots at the record company dont realize copyrights allow parodies, entertainment, etc. As long as it is not being used as a way to make money or use in an unethical way.
4. Yep, but the troops should know how to use condoms. I think that 4 years of public school sex-ed training have prepared me.
5. Cellphone calls were possible, just as it was and still is possible when in a private plane or business jet. The reason airlines dont allow it is because it means that they make less money.
6. So Clay is a facist?:p
7. But one thing you forget though is that 95% of the people in the military are already american citizens, you implied that 45% were american citizens.
8. no, 2+2= Whatever you want it to be (I hate these liberal idiols that wreck my aparty)

1. what do you base your assumption on?
2.whatever........i think it ironic that our christian conservative politicians worship moloch and covert with gay hookers
3.yeah i saw that
4.the women in iraq want to get pregnant so they can come home....getting prgnant is a trip home
5.what do you base this assumption on?
6.no clay is a collectivst trying to keep the collective happy
7.60% of soldiers there are greencard soldiers
8.the whole 2 party system is a dog and pony show

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by williethebasset
www.politcalcompass.org

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36


Thats me

King, take the test.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
1. what do you base your assumption on?
2.whatever........i think it ironic that our christian conservative politicians worship moloch and covert with gay hookers
3.yeah i saw that
4.the women in iraq want to get pregnant so they can come home....getting prgnant is a trip home
5.what do you base this assumption on?
6.no clay is a collectivst trying to keep the collective happy
7.60% of soldiers there are greencard soldiers
8.the whole 2 party system is a dog and pony show

1. That ~90% of cops are good people. The other ~10% are bullies, idiots, and assholes.
2. Yeah, its very ironic that today in Bush's speech, which put me in a bad mood, he attacked Kerry for being to liberal, then mainstream.
3. I am all for responsible corporations, but they dont need to make money the bottom line.
4. Well, thats a bad reason for coming home, its like when a gay couple adopts/ "has" kids. I'm for gay marriage, I dont care what they do, but if they had kids, the kids would suffer.
5. That a cellphone signal is carried sort of like an olympic torch, the torch would be the phone, and the people would be the towers. The higher the phone, the easier to get a signal.
6. I think he's a good man.
7. ****ing ********.
8. Take the polticalcompass.org test.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by rctbone
Hunh! Everyone else I knew who took it (about 6 friends) all scored much more liberal than me. Both of my scores were around -4.

I highly recommend it.

What kind of liberal were you?

I was under the pope, on the dark horizontal line.

[goyanks225]

Economically I was -5.00 and the other one I was -5.69.

[williethebasset]

hmmmm so you were close to Ghandi?

[goyanks225]

Yep, although I do believe war is necessary in some situations, like in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq.

[kingmob]

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

whatever that means...since the left/right paradigm is a false one to begin with

[kingmob]

Originally posted by goyanks225
Yep, although I do believe war is necessary in some situations, like in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq.

yeah war in herioninstan was needed so that the cia can corner the world market on heroin.....cant have them a-rabs make all the money on herion

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

whatever that means...since the left/right paradigm is a false one to begin with

Did you read anything on that website?

It agrees that the left-right paradigm is false.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
yeah war in herioninstan was needed so that the cia can corner the world market on heroin.....cant have them a-rabs make all the money on herion

Do you think we should go into Sudan?

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by goyanks225
Yep, although I do believe war is necessary in some situations, like in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq.

I think we will be seeing a war in North Korea soon.

[williethebasset]

And after that, Iran. (They will eventually start supporting something in Iraq)

[kingmob]

dont you know we've always been at war with Eurasia

[Scorey1974]

I took the test:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
I took the test:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

Interesting, you are a centrist?

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
dont you know we've always been at war with Eurasia

Eurasia?

Who were we last at war with in Asia?

Germany. I'll admit, they came **** close to winning that war, but the Soviets won it.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Eurasia?

Who were we last at war with in Asia?

Germany. I'll admit, they came **** close to winning that war, but the Soviets won it.

my mistake ...we've never been at war with eurasia....we will win the war with eastasia....oceania uber alles!(sorry i just rented 1984 the other day and im being a smartass)

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Interesting, you are a centrist?

according to the test....not sure how accurate it is....but I'd say pretty much I am a centrist...then again it also depends on the issue

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
according to the test....not sure how accurate it is....but I'd say pretty much I am a centrist...then again it also depends on the issue

Well, as shown from that chart, the only real liberal in the primaries, was Kucinich. I liked him the most.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
my mistake ...we've never been at war with eurasia....we will win the war with eastasia....oceania uber alles!(sorry i just rented 1984 the other day and im being a smartass)

I never saw it. Just a small part in Western Civ.

Oceania uber alles= Oceania over all

I'm a beginning WWII re-enactor. I know some German. I'm not really a Nazi, I have always had an interest in WWII Germany. I dont know why. Maybe I was a Kraut in a former life.

[kingmob]

2 books i highly reccomend are 1984 by orwell and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley......these 2 books spell out our future if things keep going the way there going....

check out this article by Cele Castillo on GNN ...i went to our local truth seekers meeting last month and heard Cele speak...close to 400 people showed up at a local tex-mex restaurant where it was held.....if you doubt our govts. complicity in drug running you should read his book
Angel of Death (http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc4971.html)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
2 books i highly reccomend are 1984 by orwell and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley......these 2 books spell out our future if things keep going the way there going....

check out this article by Cele Castillo on GNN ...i went to our local truth seekers meeting last month and heard Cele speak...close to 400 people showed up at a local tex-mex restaurant where it was held.....if you doubt our govts. complicity in drug running you should read his book
Angel of Death (http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc4971.html)

I'm occupied with summer reading right now for AP US History. The Grapes of Wrath.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I'm occupied with summer reading right now for AP US History. The Grapes of Wrath.

thats agreat book

[goyanks225]

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking of innovative ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we"
- George W. Bush yesterday

Hmm...

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by goyanks225
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking of innovative ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we"
- George W. Bush yesterday

Hmm...

Yeah, I heard that clip and he sounded dead serious maybe King is right.:eek:

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
thats agreat book

Yeah, I am really liking it.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Yeah, I heard that clip and he sounded dead serious maybe King is right.:eek:

yep the bush crime family cares nothing about true americans .....they serve there globalist masters and kerry will serve the same globalsit masters if he is elected

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
yep the bush crime family cares nothing about true americans .....they serve there globalist masters and kerry will serve the same globalsit masters if he is elected

If you want any chance of a progressive adgenda in America.

Vote.

For.

Kerry.

Yeah yeah, I know he is part of the Skull and Bones, but with him, I'll be able to have some remote chance of paying for college.

[williethebasset]

So King, do you still think every 20th century major event was part of the NWO?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
If you want any chance of a progressive adgenda in America.

Vote.

For.

Kerry.

Yeah yeah, I know he is part of the Skull and Bones, but with him, I'll be able to have some remote chance of paying for college.

no you wont ....because you will be too busy trying to kill iraqis or iranians or syrians.....after kerry becomes pres. say hellooooo draft....you will be drafted into slavery

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
So King, do you still think every 20th century major event was part of the NWO?

not all major events in 20th century are globalists engineered....but i'd say probably that 80-90% is globalist black ops.....or maichavaliaen<sp> subterfuge

[kingmob]

i read this article about our country devolving into a bunch of animals and pyscopaths
we are civilized men! (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/meyer.php?articleid=3425)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
no you wont ....because you will be too busy trying to kill iraqis or iranians or syrians.....after kerry becomes pres. say hellooooo draft....you will be drafted into slavery

I doubt Kerry will further alienate the far left as he has already done with his various stands on issues. They are cruical to his victory otherwise they will vote for Nader. A draft is a given now that we are stuck in Iraq. It will bring the awakening of the people my age who right now, dont care as long as they have a jap **** toyota with a body kit.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
i read this article about our country devolving into a bunch of animals and pyscopaths
we are civilized men! (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/meyer.php?articleid=3425)

Its not the country, its the neoconservative movement and their henchmen.

Also, do what I did, on your next post check the option "Send Email notification" that way you know whenever someone responds.

[williethebasset]

Did you see the headline of your local paper this morning, showing something like Splitting of CIA? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3590210.stm)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Did you see the headline of your local paper this morning, showing something like Splitting of CIA? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3590210.stm)

this is red herring....its a reorganization to set up a national gestapo squad.....its worse....basically the cia is the drug running front of the globalists.....thats a proven fact.....this means nothing.....just more control over domestic police state

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
this is red herring....its a reorganization to set up a national gestapo squad.....its worse....basically the cia is the drug running front of the globalists.....thats a proven fact.....this means nothing.....just more control over domestic police state

well, I noticed that Jay Rockefeller opposed it.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
well, I noticed that Jay Rockefeller opposed it.

yeah cuz it might interfere with his global drug running ring

[williethebasset]

As far as you are concerned, is there anything good going on in America?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
As far as you are concerned, is there anything good going on in America?

yeah ....i think more and more people are waking up to the global conspiracy that is the nwo, thats a good thing.......face it....the election is rigged so basically if ya vote for kerry or his cousin bush your voting for the system.....the system is broke ....election is a fraud especially with electronic voting machines ran by ex-cia and assorted arms dealers(carlyle group)......just here in austin the time warner cable nazis are trying to take over public accsess tv.....we got 15 toll roads going in on existing streets so that anywhere in austin you have to pay a toll......thats the fight going on here in local politics......the last telecom subcommitte meeting of the city council we came 200 strong to voice opposition.....hopefully we will come 500 strong to the next one concerning accsess tv.....they have time warner stooges on the ACTV board.......accses tv started here 31 yrs. ago.....its too popular and they wanna shut it down.....but we wont let them

[Deke]

Originally posted by williethebasset
If you want any chance of a progressive adgenda in America.

Vote.

For.

Kerry.

Yeah yeah, I know he is part of the Skull and Bones, but with him, I'll be able to have some remote chance of paying for college.

Willie, let me fill you in.... Im going to college right now as we speak and believe it or not, my tuition was COMPLETELY paid for by the grand ol US government. Every penny. Its called FAFSA and is a wonderful program providing tuition and money for students that cant afford college.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Deke
Willie, let me fill you in.... Im going to college right now as we speak and believe it or not, my tuition was COMPLETELY paid for by the grand ol US government. Every penny. Its called FAFSA and is a wonderful program providing tuition and money for students that cant afford college.

So, all of a sudden those high taxes are good?:p

If it was up to Bush and his cronies than that program would not be in existence.

Its those big government tax and spend liberals that made the program.

[Deke]

Haha, FAFSA was adopted in 1992 (yes after Clinton took office :)), and its a very good program. I have never seen Bush challenge ANY of it. I have no problem paying taxes, never have, as long as they are spent on things that I approve of and not some stupid program like the liberals are notorious for spending on. Spending money to get young men and women through college only makes more professionals which in turn helps our economy drastically. Like Ive said before, I dont hate every liberal idea. ;) I just dont think we need to raise taxes, only readjust what we are spending the money we raise on. Instead of spending money on the scientific study of lesbianism (this is an actual program being funded by the government I believe), that money should be used for important programs like education. You wont believe some of the programs being pushed by liberals. Ill research it and get back to you Willie. I will say this though, bravo Clinton, for the work on education, though if memory serves this was a bipartisan effort.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Deke
Haha, FAFSA was adopted in 1992 (yes after Clinton took office :)), and its a very good program. I have never seen Bush challenge ANY of it. I have no problem paying taxes, never have, as long as they are spent on things that I approve of and not some stupid program like the liberals are notorious for spending on. Spending money to get young men and women through college only makes more professionals which in turn helps our economy drastically. Like Ive said before, I dont hate every liberal idea. ;) I just dont think we need to raise taxes, only readjust what we are spending the money we raise on. Instead of spending money on the scientific study of lesbianism (this is an actual program being funded by the government I believe), that money should be used for important programs like education. You wont believe some of the programs being pushed by liberals. Ill research it and get back to you Willie. I will say this though, bravo Clinton, for the work on education, though if memory serves this was a bipartisan effort.

This is the platform Bush was elected under.

http://www.rlctx.org/RLCTX/Texas%20Republican%20Party%20Platform%202000.htm

[Deke]

Whats wrong with that? Though I didnt read every detail of it, I can tell you that I agree without about 90 percent of what I read. So if thats the platform he ran under, I guess thats why Im voting for him, lol.

[williethebasset]

tell me which things here you agree with:

We believe the environment is best served by individuals working in their own best interest. (Such as Exxon, Dow Chemicals, General Electric and any other company that thinks the EPA is a threat)

We oppose:
the theory of global warming
the Endangered Species Act
EPA management of Texas’ air quality issues (Which were the worst in the nation when Bush was Governor)


Conflicts of Interest – The Party promotes the passing and/or strengthening of local, state and federal legislation prohibiting the influencing or voting of any publicly elected official or appointee in any matter for which a conflict of interest exists respecting a personal benefit or benefit to a member of that official’s or appointee’s family. (This does however, exclude President Bush and his cronies, as they are above the law and must be warshipped.)

Religion – The Party acknowledges that the church is a God–ordained institution with a sphere of authority separate from that of civil government; thus, churches, synagogues and other places of worship, including home Bible study groups, should not be regulated, controlled, or taxed by any level of civil government, including the Social Security Administration. We reclaim freedom of religious expression in public on government property, and freedom from governmental interference. We request the Governor to release space to reinstate a chapel in the Texas Capitol.

Our Party pledges to do everything within its power to restore the original intent of the First Amendment of the Unites States and the concept of the separation of Church and State and dispel the myth of the separation of Church and State.

Capital Punishment – The Party believes that capital punishment, when properly applied, is a legitimate form of punishment and an effective deterrent for the most severe and heinous crimes. When applied, capital punishment should be swift and unencumbered.
(Meaning no appeals)

Juvenile Justice – The Party encourages the continuation of juvenile justice reforms, including private sector programs, “boot” camps and trying juveniles as adults when appropriate

The family is responsible for its own welfare, education, moral training, conduct, and property.

No fault divorce laws have caused untold hardships on American families, by reducing their standard of living, and by harming the emotional and physical well–being of children. (This is an outright lie, if parents are divorced for cheating on a spouse or no fault it makes no difference)

[williethebasset]

I accidently clicked submit. I'll continue in a new post.

Homosexuality- The Party believes that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, recognition, or privileges including, but not limited to, marriage between persons of the same sex, custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values (That still leaves room for charges)

no homosexual or any individual convicted of child abuse or molestation should have the right to custody or adoption of a minor child.

We support the requirement that schools teaching sex education must teach directive abstinence until heterosexual marriage with an uninfected person

Scientific Theories – The Party believes that scientific topics, such as the question of universe and life origins and environmental theories, should not be constrained to one opinion or viewpoint. We support the teaching equally of scientific strengths and weaknesses of all scientific theories--as Texas now requires (but has yet to enforce) in public school science course standards. We urge revising all environmental education standards to require this also. We support individual teachers’ right to teach creation science in Texas public schools.

Pledge of Allegiance in Public Schools – The Party believes that students should be led in the Pledge of Allegiance, the Texas pledge and patriotic songs on a daily basis so as to ensure that the loyal and patriotic spirit of Texas and of America’s past is preserved and passed on to our children. (I support the Pedge 100%, but patriotic songs is ludacrist)

Minimum Wage – The Party believes the minimum wage law should be repealed

Workers Compensation – The Party calls on our Texas legislators to resist any efforts to make Worker’s Compensation mandatory for all Texas employers

[Deke]

tell me which things here you agree with:

We believe the environment is best served by individuals working in their own best interest. (Such as Exxon, Dow Chemicals, General Electric and any other company that thinks the EPA is a threat)

ONE THING I DONT AGREE WITH AT ALL. PART OF THE 10 PERCENT. I DONT THINK THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL WORKING IN THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST WOULD PREVENT SOME COMPANIES FROM ABUSING THE ENVIORNMENT. DO I THINK THEY MEAN TO ALLOW THESE COMPANIES TO DO DAMAGE TO OUR ENV.? NO.

We oppose:
the theory of global warming

THEY ONLY OPPOSE THE KYOTO AGREEMENT WHICH IS CURRENTLY EXTREMELY FLAWED.

the Endangered Species Act

THEY DONT OPPOSE THIS, THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT BETTER.

EPA management of Texas’ air quality issues (Which were the worst in the nation when Bush was Governor)

WHERE ARE THE STATISTICS ON THIS?


Conflicts of Interest – The Party promotes the passing and/or strengthening of local, state and federal legislation prohibiting the influencing or voting of any publicly elected official or appointee in any matter for which a conflict of interest exists respecting a personal benefit or benefit to a member of that official’s or appointee’s family. (This does however, exclude President Bush and his cronies, as they are above the law and must be warshipped.)

HOW SO?

Religion – The Party acknowledges that the church is a God–ordained institution with a sphere of authority separate from that of civil government; thus, churches, synagogues and other places of worship, including home Bible study groups, should not be regulated, controlled, or taxed by any level of civil government, including the Social Security Administration. We reclaim freedom of religious expression in public on government property, and freedom from governmental interference. We request the Governor to release space to reinstate a chapel in the Texas Capitol.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. IM A RELIGIOUS MAN MYSELF, AND THERE REALLY SEEMS TO BE AN ONGOING EFFORT TO REMOVE GOD FROM EVERYTHING IN OUR COUNTRY. I CAN DEBATE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE ALL DAY LONG CONSIDERING IVE DONE NUMEROUS RESEARCH PROJECTS ON IT. I FIND IT RIDICULOUS THAT THE TEXAS CAPITOL CANT HAVE A CHAPEL IN IT, YET OUR MILITARY HAS ONE ON EVERY BASE. WHAT HARM IS THIS DOING? NO ONE IS FORCING A SINGLE SOUL TO USE THAT CHAPEL. IM ALL FOR SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, BUT ONLY WHEN THE CHURCH IS TRYING TO GUIDE GOVERNMENT POLICY OR A SPECIFIC RELIGION IS BEING FORCED ON SOMEONE, NOT WHEN SOMEONE JUST WANTS TO EXPRESS THEIR BELIEFS. THIS GOES FOR ALL RELIGIONS.

Our Party pledges to do everything within its power to restore the original intent of the First Amendment of the Unites States and the concept of the separation of Church and State and dispel the myth of the separation of Church and State.

WHICH ONLY STATES THAT A PERSON SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGIONS WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING THEM THEY CANT. AGAIN, SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS A FINE LINE, BUT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ACLU REPEATEDLY CROSS THAT LINE.

Capital Punishment – The Party believes that capital punishment, when properly applied, is a legitimate form of punishment and an effective deterrent for the most severe and heinous crimes. When applied, capital punishment should be swift and unencumbered.
(Meaning no appeals)

IM AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

Juvenile Justice – The Party encourages the continuation of juvenile justice reforms, including private sector programs, “boot” camps and trying juveniles as adults when appropriate

I AGREE HERE AS WELL. CRIMINALS ARE GETTING YOUNGER AND YOUNGER THESE DAYS AND NORMAL TACTICS TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT WORKING.

The family is responsible for its own welfare, education, moral training, conduct, and property.

ABSOLUTELY! PEOPLE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES, HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, AND NOT RELY ON OTHERS FOR EVERYTHING. THE FAMILY IS THE GROUNDWORK FOR A STRONG INDIVIDUAL.

No fault divorce laws have caused untold hardships on American families, by reducing their standard of living, and by harming the emotional and physical well–being of children. (This is an outright lie, if parents are divorced for cheating on a spouse or no fault it makes no difference)

AGREED. THOUGH I THINK THEIR GOAL HERE IS JUST TO MAKE FAMILIES STRONGER WHICH IN THE LONG RUN LEADS TO LESS DIVORCE AND HEALTHIER CHILDREN. SOMETIMES THOUGH DIVORCE CANT BE AVOIDED FOR THE EXACT CASE YOU STATED.

[Deke]

I accidently clicked submit. I'll continue in a new post.

Homosexuality- The Party believes that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, recognition, or privileges including, but not limited to, marriage between persons of the same sex, custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values (That still leaves room for charges)

THIS IS A HUGE RELIGIOUS AND MORAL ISSUE. OVER 2/3 OF THIS COUNTRY OPPOSES GAY MARRIAGES AND DOESNT LIKE SOME RADICAL JUDGE TRYING TO CHANGE THE CORE BELIEFS OF THIS NATION AND REDEFINE WHAT MARRIAGE MEANS. DONT GET ME WRONG, I DONT HATE HOMOSEXUALS ONE BIT. BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LARGE COMPROMISE ON THIS ISSUE. GAYS WANT THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, WHICH IS GARBAGE. CIVIL UNIONS STILL ALLOW THEM TO DRAW GOVERNMENT BENEFITS COMPARABLE TO THAT OF A NORMAL MARRIED COUPLE. THIS WOULD LEAVE A VERY PRECIOUS ISSUE INTACT FOR THOSE OF A RELIGIOUS NATURE. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DEEPLY BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS A BOND BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN AND GOD. WHY ATTACK THAT? CIVIL UNIONS SHOULD BE A PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE LEAVING BOTH SIDES HAPPY.

no homosexual or any individual convicted of child abuse or molestation should have the right to custody or adoption of a minor child.

WHAT CHILD SHOULD GROW UP WITHOUT A FATHER OR MOTHER? IS A HOMOSEXUAL FAMILY A GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR A CHILD? THIS COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE MORALLY AND I THINK THAT NEITHER SIDE CAN REALLY BE TRULY WRONG ON THIS ISSUE BASED ON HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE.

We support the requirement that schools teaching sex education must teach directive abstinence until heterosexual marriage with an uninfected person

AGREED. I SURE AS **** WOULDNT WANT ANY TEACHER TEACHING MY KID ABOUT SEX, STD's, CONDOMS, ETC... THATS MY JOB AS A PARENT. THERE IS NEVER ANYTHING WRONG WITH TEACHING ABSTINENCE.

Scientific Theories – The Party believes that scientific topics, such as the question of universe and life origins and environmental theories, should not be constrained to one opinion or viewpoint. We support the teaching equally of scientific strengths and weaknesses of all scientific theories--as Texas now requires (but has yet to enforce) in public school science course standards. We urge revising all environmental education standards to require this also. We support individual teachers’ right to teach creation science in Texas public schools.

THIS EVOLVES AROUND EVOLUTION WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN 100 PERCENT COMFIRMED AS THE TRUTH BEHIND OUR SCIENTIFIC HISTORY AND CREATION. IT WOULDNT BE FAIR TO ONLY TEACH ALL KIDS THAT GOD CREATED US ALL, AS WELL AS TEACHING ALL KIDS THAT EVOLUTION IS FULLY CORRECT. BOTH THEORIES SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.

Pledge of Allegiance in Public Schools – The Party believes that students should be led in the Pledge of Allegiance, the Texas pledge and patriotic songs on a daily basis so as to ensure that the loyal and patriotic spirit of Texas and of America’s past is preserved and passed on to our children. (I support the Pedge 100%, but patriotic songs is ludacrist)

HAHA, AGREED. IF THEY WANT TO DO THEM THATS GREAT, BUT IF SOMEONE DOESNT WANT TO PARTICIPATE THEY SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO.

Minimum Wage – The Party believes the minimum wage law should be repealed

EH, NOT SURE OF THE THEORY BEHIND THIS SO FOR NOW ILL SIDE WITH YOU THAT THIS DOESNT SEEM FAIR.

Workers Compensation – The Party calls on our Texas legislators to resist any efforts to make Worker’s Compensation mandatory for all Texas employers

I BELIEVE THIS IS TO PREVENT FRAUDULENT CLAIMS.


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[williethebasset]

A TvNewsLIES Reader contribution.
By John Gray Cincinnati, Ohio - July - 2004


Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised. All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a
deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.


Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a
worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark).

He is happy to see his dad, who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

[kingmob]

joe is a collectivist

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Deke
THIS IS A HUGE RELIGIOUS AND MORAL ISSUE. OVER 2/3 OF THIS COUNTRY OPPOSES GAY MARRIAGES AND DOESNT LIKE SOME RADICAL JUDGE TRYING TO CHANGE THE CORE BELIEFS OF THIS NATION AND REDEFINE WHAT MARRIAGE MEANS. DONT GET ME WRONG, I DONT HATE HOMOSEXUALS ONE BIT. BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LARGE COMPROMISE ON THIS ISSUE. GAYS WANT THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, WHICH IS GARBAGE. CIVIL UNIONS STILL ALLOW THEM TO DRAW GOVERNMENT BENEFITS COMPARABLE TO THAT OF A NORMAL MARRIED COUPLE. THIS WOULD LEAVE A VERY PRECIOUS ISSUE INTACT FOR THOSE OF A RELIGIOUS NATURE. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DEEPLY BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS A BOND BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN AND GOD. WHY ATTACK THAT? CIVIL UNIONS SHOULD BE A PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE LEAVING BOTH SIDES HAPPY.

They can have Civil Unions. Technically unless one is married in a church they are in a civil union.


Originally posted by Deke

WHAT CHILD SHOULD GROW UP WITHOUT A FATHER OR MOTHER? IS A HOMOSEXUAL FAMILY A GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR A CHILD? THIS COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE MORALLY AND I THINK THAT NEITHER SIDE CAN REALLY BE TRULY WRONG ON THIS ISSUE BASED ON HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE.


Well, I dont think they should be allowed to have kids because its selfish. Imagine how the kids would be made fun of.



Originally posted by Deke

AGREED. I SURE AS **** WOULDNT WANT ANY TEACHER TEACHING MY KID ABOUT SEX, STD's, CONDOMS, ETC... THATS MY JOB AS A PARENT. THERE IS NEVER ANYTHING WRONG WITH TEACHING ABSTINENCE.


There is always a waiver for parents to sign, for the kids to take the class, otherwise they wont take it and their parents teach it to them.

However there will always be those that will rebel even if the only thing that they are taught about is abstinence. They should know about STD's as a downside and that they should wear a condom unless they plan on getting someone pregnant.



Originally posted by Deke

THIS EVOLVES AROUND EVOLUTION WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN 100 PERCENT COMFIRMED AS THE TRUTH BEHIND OUR SCIENTIFIC HISTORY AND CREATION. IT WOULDNT BE FAIR TO ONLY TEACH ALL KIDS THAT GOD CREATED US ALL, AS WELL AS TEACHING ALL KIDS THAT EVOLUTION IS FULLY CORRECT. BOTH THEORIES SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.


There is only evidence for creation. Parents should teach their kids about creation if they feel its important.