Scorey's Universe Thread 2K5

[Scorey1974]

This is where i will be posting all my new work for the NEW 2k5 game

For starters I am trying to get all the players that are missing into the game that are already in the master list of the Lahman database....after I find all those players then I will be posting a new 2004rosters.csv file to replace your old one that goes in the input folder. Also there are some players that are on the wrong teams or that should be free agents so I will work on that also....Then the next step will be to create prospects that have no MLB experience and can't be imported using the lahman database....

[Northern Brave]

Can't wait! Nice to see the guru of rosters back at it!:D

[ridge]

Scorey is the best at roster making

[Scorey1974]

I might add....(and no offense to Clay or Ian)....but these starting rosters are pitiful....:eek:

[OhPhilly54]

and the crowd cheers "SCOREY! SCOREY! SCOREY!"

Go cubbies

[ChrisJNelson]

This will come across as me being an *******, but at this point I don't care. You don't know how frustrating it was making great rosters last year and having these morons use Scorey's, totally oblivious to the fact that they weren't half as good as mine. Scorey's just aren't that good, and never have been. The rosters were never totally accurate (as mine were) and the ratings were a lot worse (as shown by player stats after simming. The fact of the matter is, his rosters aren't that good, and if he's the guru, I'm GOD.

[OhPhilly54]

And the crowd cheers, "CHRIS! CHRIS! CHRIS!"


So are you coming out with rosters sometime soon? I'll gladly try them out.

[boomboom]

yes, chris your rosters are great! I use them a lot, My problem was all the people asking Scorey to change Ratings and stuff, Like making someplayers GOD......and this made the ratings and the accuracy of Scoreys rosters dreadfull, but at the same time...

A lot of people stopped using your rosters last year chris because you would make them, and then stop, for a few months, the last roster you made was on August 12, Scorey kept on making them, You are very ignorant for saying you are GOD, if scorey is the Guru, he isnt paid for doing this and it seems like you are afraid of competition

The fact is, why would you post something like this?

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
And the crowd cheers, "CHRIS! CHRIS! CHRIS!"


So are you coming out with rosters sometime soon? I'll gladly try them out.

I don't really intend on purchasing the game. I lost a lot of interest in baseball this season. I'm not sure why exactly; I'm just tired of all the BS surrounding the game, and the players being pussies. I might get it, I might not, it just depends. I guess if I don't, Scorey WILL have the best rosters.

[boomboom]

Yes he has had the best roster since you quit making them, but then again, I didnt know there had to be a #1 or #2, to me, I used them both, I used yours a lot then I used Scoreys.....If you were going to post something like that and putting down Scoreys rosters, and saying yours are the best, then post yours!

[OhPhilly54]

alright,
So your 2k4 rosters...will they work for my 2k5?

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by boomboom
yes, chris your rosters are great! I use them a lot, My problem was all the people asking Scorey to change Ratings and stuff, Like making someplayers GOD......and this made the ratings and the accuracy of Scoreys rosters dreadfull, but at the same time...

A lot of people stopped using your rosters last year chris because you would make them, and then stop, for a few months, the last roster you made was on August 12, Scorey kept on making them, You are very ignorant for saying you are GOD, if scorey is the Guru, he isnt paid for doing this and it seems like you are afraid of competition

The fact is, why would you post something like this?

I'll try and respond to everything you ask.

So it's everyone else's fault Scorey's stats were bad? I don't think so. There are a lot of idiots out there, and Scorey shouldn't change his roster and make it less accurate for them.

I've stopped making them towards the end of the season because I get really into football them, also attending preseason games and training camps, and I am much more into football than baseball. I just can't keep myself motivated when August comes around. I'm sorry if this bothered anyone.

I'm not being ignorant at all. I'm not saying I'm the god of rosters, I'm saying that IF Scorey were the guru, that'd make me god. But neither statement is true. I'm not god, but scorey's no guru. If anything, I'm a guru. But it's such a pointless issue.

I'm not afraid of Scorey's compeition at all, because anyone who knows baseball and wants the best rosters would use mine. Those who use Scorey's rosters fall into two catergories:
1) People who don't know baseball and therefore are unable to determine whether his are any good or not.
2) People who use his because they think I'm a dick, which is understandable, even though they are just depriving themselves.
Think about it from my perspective. You spend ours tuning these rosters making them near perfect, the rosters, batting orders, rotations, bullpens, and ratings to produce good stats, not to mention the thousands of pictures I did. No being the person that does that, I think I know what makes rosters good, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that Scorey's rosters never came close to mine. It may hurt my image, but I just have to say it, because it can be very frustrating.

Hope that answers any questions.

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
alright,
So your 2k4 rosters...will they work for my 2k5?

I'm afraid I can't say for sure, not having played 2k5. From what I hear, it sounds liker they changed the rating system to numbers, so my initial guess would be know, but I really cannot say.

[boomboom]

Originally posted by ChrisJNelson

Think about it from my perspective. You spend ours tuning these rosters making them near perfect, the rosters, batting orders, rotations, bullpens, and ratings to produce good stats, not to mention the thousands of pictures I did. No being the person that does that, I think I know what makes rosters good, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that Scorey's rosters never came close to mine. It may hurt my image, but I just have to say it, because it can be very frustrating.

Hope that answers any questions.

yes I understand your frustration, you just came across as a dick.... I tried one time to make rosters, but I couldnt after a week of trying to make them perfect, it was just too hard....and it takes so much time, time I didnt have, Honestly if you had the time and motivation, I would use your rosters, they are pretty accurate! THey are the closest thing to perfection.

[CpnHowdy]

wow I am gonna try to stay neutral in this flame war (don't wanna catch fire) so let me say how I did it last year. I used Chris's for the most part and then I started to use Scorey's after Chris quit doing it (I think he was doing Madden rosters then or something). Yes Chris's was more accurate and "stable" for each game but I prefered using scoreys cause he had all the youngsters in the game (damon young, richie weeks etc.) and I like that part. So basically my final thoughts are this: Chris's roster are a little bit better (only because he won't take input from certain people to make certain players gods) but because he won't dedicate his time to a WHOLE season of roster making, that makes Scoreys overall a little bit better. There the super genius CpnHowdy has ruled so no more bitching! And Chris instead of starting flame wars on this board why don't you get to work on your universe file so you can be the first to have a 2005 semi accurate database out?

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by CpnHowdy
wow I am gonna try to stay neutral in this flame war (don't wanna catch fire) so let me say how I did it last year. I used Chris's for the most part and then I started to use Scorey's after Chris quit doing it (I think he was doing Madden rosters then or something). Yes Chris's was more accurate and "stable" for each game but I prefered using scoreys cause he had all the youngsters in the game (damon young, richie weeks etc.) and I like that part. So basically my final thoughts are this: Chris's roster are a little bit better (only because he won't take input from certain people to make certain players gods) but because he won't dedicate his time to a WHOLE season of roster making, that makes Scoreys overall a little bit better. There the super genius CpnHowdy has ruled so no more bitching! And Chris instead of starting flame wars on this board why don't you get to work on your universe file so you can be the first to have a 2005 semi accurate database out?

Actually, I'm almost sure I had both Young and Weeks in the game. I put the top 10 prospects for each team on there, and that's all I could fit, because when the roster numbers got up that high, the game would sometimes release players, sometimes guys on the major league roster in real life, so I had to keep the number of prospects lower. I felt the top 10 was adequate.

I'm not certain if I'll purchase 2k5. The reason is that I probably wouldn't play it much, if at all, so I would basically be buying it so I could make rosters. I'm still undecided at this point.

[mooseman74]

I think they will work...I copy/pasted my universe from 2004 which I'd adjusted to be pretty close to opening day rosters and it works fine...so far.....converted the ratings to numbers fine from what I've seen.

[OhPhilly54]

Totally unrelated, but Chris, you have updated madden 2k4 rosters? I'd be interested in this...


Back on topic. I don't care who's better in the long run. To me, it's who wants to make an accurate roster file for us. Kind of like back in high school. I don't care how a t.v. works. I just care if it works!

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
Totally unrelated, but Chris, you have updated madden 2k4 rosters? I'd be interested in this...


Back on topic. I don't care who's better in the long run. To me, it's who wants to make an accurate roster file for us. Kind of like back in high school. I don't care how a t.v. works. I just care if it works!

I used to do Madden rosters when I had PC. Now I have PS2, and I do them for myself, but have no way of getting them online. Sorry. If you have PC, I'd recommend www.foootball-gaming.com (I think they are down right now and the forum is the only place up, but get "Struttdaddy's" rosters. They are the best.

[OhPhilly54]

Sweet,
thanks!

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by ChrisJNelson
This will come across as me being an *******, but at this point I don't care. You don't know how frustrating it was making great rosters last year and having these morons use Scorey's, totally oblivious to the fact that they weren't half as good as mine. Scorey's just aren't that good, and never have been. The rosters were never totally accurate (as mine were) and the ratings were a lot worse (as shown by player stats after simming. The fact of the matter is, his rosters aren't that good, and if he's the guru, I'm GOD.


Hey Chris....I am not in this to compete with you....I do this out of pure love for the game....I enjoy the work....Hope everyone enjoys what I put out....:)

[chisox55]

Scorey! Whatever man I think your rosters are th sh*t, and I love your minor leaguers, thats ur specialty. This game is really F*ed up. If you need help at all Im here, even the salaries are terrible to just tell me to do somtehing and I will

[Jeff Olsen]

Hey, Chris, I sometimes help those in need. You are clearly in need of some humility, where do I send a donation?

[OhPhilly54]

Scorey,
When I started on this forum, you were the only updated rosters availible and I loved them. Thanks for your work! It does not go unappreciated over here. However, there's gotta be something up with the major league ballparks for everyone to get injured with a bruised foot. :D Sorry, I'll shut up.

thanks!
phil

[Scorey1974]

Thanks guys for the support....For every Chris Nelson out there there are 10 of you who support me and that makes this all worth while...:)

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Thanks guys for the support....For every Chris Nelson out there there are 10 of you who support me and that makes this all worth while...:)

And everyone of those 10 people doesn't know baseball well enough to know you're rosters aren't very good. :-D

[TwinswillWin]

maybe scorey or chris could start a poll and see who the fans think are better

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by TwinswillWin
maybe scorey or chris could start a poll and see who the fans think are better

Scorey would win, but it wouldn't show whose are better. It'd be a poll between me and Scorey, not the rosters.

[TwinswillWin]

Wow i never expected it to turn to this. Will anyone step up or will it be a verbal brawl. I like scorey rosters because he went in depth and i could change the batting and pitching to my liking. I like Chris's because they were accurate with the players. But since I liked scoreys that makes me an idiot by Chris's standard. So it sounds like if you don't like chris's roster you must be an idiot.

[ChrisJNelson]

Originally posted by TwinswillWin
Wow i never expected it to turn to this. Will anyone step up or will it be a verbal brawl. I like scorey rosters because he went in depth and i could change the batting and pitching to my liking. I like Chris's because they were accurate with the players. But since I liked scoreys that makes me an idiot by Chris's standard. So it sounds like if you don't like chris's roster you must be an idiot.

What I mean is that if you think they are great, yes, you are an idiot. You can think whatever about mine, but if you think his are great, you just don't know enough. Perhaps idiot was a strong word, but you would at least be ignorant.

[chisox55]

Who gives a f*ckin sh*t, can we agree on this... THE ROSTERS IN 2005 SUCK BALLZ! The finaces are off, the players are on wrong teams and ratings suck, and theres no rookies. So everyone stop playing f*ckin b*tch who likes who more and make some god d*mn good rosters! LOL!

STOP THE FIGHTING AND EVERYONE WORK TOGEHTER!

[RotoChamp2]

I can't speak one way or another about the rosters, as I've only ever used mine in previous versions.

Scorey,
If you'd like some assistance with the rosters please feel free to reach out to me. My brother and I evaluate Major League Baseball Players for a living and I'd be happy to help you with any player ratings if you need. Apparently Chris Nelson thinks very little of your work in that department, though he's offered no proof on these boards as to why his rosters are so much better, except his opinion that redoing rosters constantly makes him an expert.

I don't offer my help because I think you lack in this area, only because I know these things take a lot of freakin time to do. Anyways, if you need another pair of eyes to take a look at the rosters, let me know.

Off topic for a second...
I've been working on correcting the salaries/contracts for every team. I'm curious to see if less inflated numbers cause less teams to lose money year-to-year.

[TwinswillWin]

I liked chris's rosters but when he stopped making them I started liking scorey's. Stuff happens. Everyone should just let it go.

[TwinswillWin]

I think its great that there is a little war between the two maybe each one will do even better then before to make the best rosters possible first, but Chris may not even do it i don't blame him its boring and time consuming and if people aren't going to aprreciate the work why do it.

[ridge]

i agree with chixsox

lets work together and get a decent roster out there

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
I can't speak one way or another about the rosters, as I've only ever used mine in previous versions.

Scorey,
If you'd like some assistance with the rosters please feel free to reach out to me. My brother and I evaluate Major League Baseball Players for a living and I'd be happy to help you with any player ratings if you need. Apparently Chris Nelson thinks very little of your work in that department, though he's offered no proof on these boards as to why his rosters are so much better, except his opinion that redoing rosters constantly makes him an expert.

I don't offer my help because I think you lack in this area, only because I know these things take a lot of freakin time to do. Anyways, if you need another pair of eyes to take a look at the rosters, let me know.

Off topic for a second...
I've been working on correcting the salaries/contracts for every team. I'm curious to see if less inflated numbers cause less teams to lose money year-to-year.


Once I get all the players in the game that I want...and add all the rookies that I want to add I may just take you up on your offer....Perhaps you could make up a spreadsheet with ratings for players and send it to me and I can implement your ratings into the game....I welcome all the help I can get (if it's good help...;) )....Alot of the ratings for the minor league players I add is just guess work and since you have experience at evaluating players that would be most helpful!....Thank you very much for the offer......Scorey

[jrmiedzinski]

I think it is funny how Chris is a self proclaimed god. All I can say about him is he is definitely not the god of spelling. He has sooo many spelling errors in his posts it is funny. And most of them are not him hitting the wrong keys. I mean "know" when it should be "no" come on .

[Scorey1974]

On another note....I understand Chris Nelson's attitude....I believe he is only 16 or so...so he has some growing up to do and we should cut him a little slack for his immaturity....He does great work (especially with the player photos) and all that use his rosters are getting a grade A roster. I really don't understand the personal attack on me so I will write it off as him being 16 and not understanding how to carry himself with class and dignity. To all that use my rosters and offer your compliments and support I greatly appreciate it....I don't judge my success by the amount of the downloads I get (as Chris does)....I judge my success simply by knowing how much time and effort I put into making the best roster I can possible put out. If you all like what I put out that is awesome....If you don't I am always open to suggestions on how to improve. :)

[RotoChamp2]

I can definitely look into doing that spreadsheet for you.

Do you want current day ratings or is there also a way to incorporate the new Peak Projections?

Being that most of my work has been around projecting future performance, I'm able to at least project a bit of that.

As far as minor leaguers go, they'll be more difficult. There're some studs in the minors who will one day be able to put up sick numbers, but if brought up today would struggle (see ARod as a good example of what often happens in the first two exposures to the Majors for the kids who're rushed). So it would be a matter of how you want to proceed there.

Anyways, my AIM is in my profile, feel free to reach out to me. I'm online all day at work and usually at home.

[OhPhilly54]

One point for Scorey on being a Cubs fan!

[Scorey1974]

I would say peak ratings for younger players would work out the best....you give me the numbers you think they can eventually put up and I'll come up with the current numbers to punch in to start them out at. Working together on this may turn out the best roster ever to come out. And we can share all the credit! :)

[chisox55]

Cubs suck
Go White Sox
1st place b*tches

[RotoChamp2]

Wait, we have to SHARE credit?!? :-P

kidding of course.

That should be no problem. Can you put together a list of all of the players you plan to put in the game, as well as those being removed? This way I'll know what to rate and not rate.

Also, if you're sticking to top 100 prospects from BA, that shouldn't be a problem to know who's going in.

I may add a few prospects to teams who's rosters have room. I believe it allows 40 batters and 30 pitchers? Do you plan to fill the rosters?

[OhPhilly54]

Chris...
I downloaded Strutt's rosters...the latest one, but how do I get things to change? Do I have to copy the file into madden somewhere? If you could help, I'd appreciate it. Thanks,
phil

[Scorey1974]

I do plan to fill the rosters to around 35 batters and 27 pitchers....If this years game is like last years you can't put more than 27 pitchers on a team or it will kick out pitchers to the free agent pool...even though it says you have space for 30???....don't know why...but that's the way it is.....For starters I will try and find a site with the top 10 prospects for each team and make a list for you....Thanks a ton....Scorey

[TwinswillWin]

I have a question about your rosters for this year scorey. With the universe.dat bug how are you saving your universe data?

[Scorey1974]

Very good question!.....Hopefully Clay will come out with a patch that will fix that! In the mean time I am only editing the 2004rosters.csv file so I don't need to save the game as a universe file yet. When I begin to add the prospects that are not in the lahman database then I will need to save the game as a universe file. Also everyone give props to Rotochamp2 as he is now my partner in crime in this venture. He is offering his services to rate players and come up with the prospects for the game. I think when this roster officially comes out you all will be pleased!

Scorey

[TwinswillWin]

Clay will put a patch out. If he doesn't that would be wierd If i knew how to fix the stuff i would and post it because schools out and i have not much to do same days. I just don't know what to do to fix it though.

[chisox55]

u no when ur gnna post ur first rosters scorcey

[RotoChamp2]

We're still working on them. Scorey's working on adding the Major League players to the rosters at the moment and then we need to adjust contracts and ratings.

I can't speak to how Scorey plans to release the rosters though (i.e. After each team is done or once we've completed our first run through all of the teams).

[chisox55]

alright, IDK bout u guys but the game is unplayable at this point for me

[RotoChamp2]

Did you also try out Clay's update Roster2004.csv file? I'm not home, so I haven't gotten to look at it, but it might help a bit.

Also, Clay's talking about a patch coming out very soon that should adjust some of the bugs...that should help, I would imagine.

[jnovak]

Just a little Scorey criticism -

Had to reload orignal rosters last year after the league ERA started getting ridiculous with Scoreys rosters and pitchers started having seasons with 1.7 ERA's and league leaders for HR's was like 30 and batting average was about 290. I preferred playing with guys on the wrong teams making the wrong amount of money and all as opposed to having grossly scewed pitching and hitting stats. Please try to keep stats close to todays standards and not have a league that looks like it played in 1901.

Other than that the effort put into making those rosters is insane. Scorey - are you locked in a basement and beaten if you don't have a roster update every other day??? Keep up the good and um... disturbing work.

[RotoChamp2]

I'll be helping Scorey out on the stats side of things this time around. I own a business doing major league player evaluation and will probably look to incorporate the projections (that my brother and I built) for 2004 in this project. They're reasonable expectations and will help update some of the lower ranked players, while bringing some of the overrated players back down to earth (see Rocco Baldelli). This should give a more scientific approach to the numbers than some folks have used in the past.

I'm not exactly positive how the "Peak Projections" work in this, but the predicted stats will be for 2004 only and from there, it's up to the game's AI and the player to develop a player. I can't control how the game ends up developing a player, but I can control what stats are predicted for these players.

Hope that addresses your concerns, jnovak

[jnovak]

i know i wasn't the only one who noticed this about the old rosters as i saw old posts about this topic back in Mogul 2K4. good luck with it.

[TwinswillWin]

I have a question what are you going to do about Joe Mauer Hes a rookie got injuried and hes suppose to be a good contact hitter but has played in like 4 games

[RotoChamp2]

Haven't talked to Scorey about all the scenarios yet, but being that he's essentially a prospect still, I'll project his season out over the amount of games I'd expected him to catch this year. The other numbers I do are all based on per/AB and AB/G, which makes it very easy to scale and adjust. The per/AB numbers often need some tweaking, but not much.

[ridge]

any time frame on when the roster set might be done ??

[Scorey1974]

I expect to put out my final draft on the 2004rosters.csv file in a couple of days....then I will start adding prospects!

[boomboom]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
On another note....I understand Chris Nelson's attitude....I believe he is only 16 or so...so he has some growing up to do and we should cut him a little slack for his immaturity....He does great work (especially with the player photos) and all that use his rosters are getting a grade A roster. I really don't understand the personal attack on me so I will write it off as him being 16 and not understanding how to carry himself with class and dignity. To all that use my rosters and offer your compliments and support I greatly appreciate it....I don't judge my success by the amount of the downloads I get (as Chris does)....I judge my success simply by knowing how much time and effort I put into making the best roster I can possible put out. If you all like what I put out that is awesome....If you don't I am always open to suggestions on how to improve. :)

hey Scorey, Cant wait for your roster release.....I wish Chris would make his rosters too, because they are GOOD. I use them both last year....I would be nice if both you guys would do them together..!

[chisox55]

why cant we make universes because its a b*tch to load this files

[suppitty]

I think whoever finishes 2k5 first wins. ready........go!!!

[ridge]

hey scorey i cant hardly wait for your roster

after your initial set, how long will it take to do
the top prospects


thanks for you effort and time in making this roster

[Scorey1974]

Soon as I get the file done....And rotochamp gets the prospects list done for me then I will get it out....Hopefully it wont be too much longer!!!

Scorey

[ridge]

thanks for the update scorey

your the man

[ridge]

any chance they might come out before next weekend


thanks
Ridge

[michaelg123789]

Originally posted by boomboom
hey Scorey, Cant wait for your roster release.....I wish Chris would make his rosters too, because they are GOOD. I use them both last year....I would be nice if both you guys would do them together..!
It couldn't happen. That would be like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant on the same team. They are both way to good and need to be seperated:D

[TwinswillWin]

What are you calling one of them a pedofilist? and the other a bad actor and baseball player?


Just Joking :D

[pittsmo]

Scorey...

I am a long-time user of your rosters and a long-time player of Baseabll Mogul in general. I have always read the forums and followed your Universe threads, but this is the first time I have ever posted.

I play the game with your rosters because the baseball I am most interested in is the Minor Leagues and prospects. I am very knowledgeable in that department and I use your rosters to try and build every team into a winner with their current minor league system.

I was just wondering if you needed a little help in knowing which prospects to include in your Universe. I know a lot about every team's prospects (Pirates the most though) and was just wondering how many you plan on putting in for each time and I could put together a list for what guys to use.

I know you are already receiving help from other people too, but I just thought I would offer. Also, now that the draft has gone through the first day. It would be cool again to include each team's first round picks.

[RotoChamp2]

I don't mean to speak for Scorey, but he and I are working together on this round of rosters.

My part of the project is the Prospects/Minor Leaguers. We will be doing the Top 15 propsects, according to Baseball America's 2004 list/book. In addition, we'll be adding in any other players who've made Major League Debuts this season (or were not in the DB for some reason or another). As there is roster limitations, we can't really do a lot more than that. As it is we may need to assign some players to Free Agency so that everyone can have their pick of players.

Just to answer the question up front: We decided on Baseball America's rankings, as they are probably the foremost scouting publication in the world for Minor League Baseball.

[pittsmo]

Alright, thats good...I was just wondering. If you would ever need some help with anything or especially the Pirates guys, because BA has a few guys way overrated. And most of them are pitchers.

If you come across a team like that, will you just include all pitchers, or try to even it out some?

Also what do you think about eventually putting team's first round draft picks in the game? I believe Scorey did this before.

Anyways, I hope the roster comes out great. I am really looking forward to it. The game is really hard to play without it.

[RotoChamp2]

I'm not too sure about this year's draft, as we haven't discussed it yet. I just worry about putting any guys in there until we see some minor league numbers, especially with this TERRIBLE draft.

Where hitters are concerned, many have holes in their games that won't be exposed until they get to face better competition with wood bats.

College pitchers are bit easier to project, although they too have not yet faced professional competition day in and day out.

As far as balance goes with the pitching vs hitting prospects, I doubt that I'll balance them out. Some guys outside of the Top 15 may project to start for a major league club down the line and I'd like to get them in, but it'll be a matter of roster limits and time.

As for "overrated" players, just be aware that BA doesn't do their rankings just off of performance, but also projected ceilings. Specifically where Pitt is concerned, their system is ranked 11th overall, but lacking in impact players. Their system has quite a few major league caliber players, but no one that'll truly be a stud. The pitchers they have, such as Burnett, VanBenschoten, and Bullinton, aren't really all that great. None of them really projects to anything more than the middle of a good team's rotation.

VanBenschoten has a good arsenal, but unless he can get comfortable with his changeup, he won't get far in the majors. BA likes to say he projects to the front of Pittsburgh's rotation, but that's not saying a great deal. He's not a true staff ace.

Burnett reminds me a bit of a young Jamie Moyer. It's hard to determine how his stuff projects to the majors. His style depends a lot on pitching smarts and learning hitters (ala Jamie Moyer) and these types of pitchers often take longer to find success. He strikes out very few people, but doesn't kill himself with walks or homers. But in the minors the hitters don't ruin your mistakes like hitters will in the majors. I'm not big on this guy...he needs to learn to miss more bats.

Bullington's lost a bit of velocity and even before that he didn't throw much about 90MPH. For a two-trick pony, that worries me. His slider can be filthy, but unless he gets a lot more experience with the changeup he's gonna get lit like a christmas tree.

I'm still shocked that they took Bullington over Upton, but I'll leave it at that :-)

I like Ian Snell better than those guys, but this is a good example of BA's rankings. Because Snell doesn't have as high a ceiling (read: best-case scenario as opinioned by scouts) as the other three, he's ranked lower.

[thejimmyst91]

RotoChamp, Id love to pick your mind on some stuff if you ever get the time. Not nescassarily players because I do a pretty good job of that myself, but more of process of evaluation of players and stuff like that. I am a true student of the game, and would love to have a (digital) sitdown with you.

And the Pirates picked Bullington over Upton because their farm system was short on pitchers, they were being pressured into taking a college pitcher, Jeremy Guthrie was a Boras client, and signability reasons.

[boomboom]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
It couldn't happen. That would be like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant on the same team. They are both way to good and need to be seperated:D

hahahhaha, but really, Chris did make some great rosters, it would really cool if he could put some input on Scorey's rosters!

[pittsmo]

The Pirates didn't select Bullington because they were short on pitchers. Pitchers are the one thing that they are not short on at all. They are short on impact position players such as B.J. Upton and which is why they selected Neil Walker yesterday.

The main reason they went for Bullington is because they felt as if he was the most ready. He would contribute to the team more than anyone else. So far, they look to be wrong. Bullington is in AA, having an average year and Upton is in AAA domination. Not to mention Upton is 4 years younger.

RotoChamp, I too would like to talk to you some. It is always nice to speack with someone who has an interest in young players.

Do you have an aol screen name or any other instant messaging name?

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by thejimmyst91
RotoChamp, Id love to pick your mind on some stuff if you ever get the time. Not nescassarily players because I do a pretty good job of that myself, but more of process of evaluation of players and stuff like that. I am a true student of the game, and would love to have a (digital) sitdown with you.

And the Pirates picked Bullington over Upton because their farm system was short on pitchers, they were being pressured into taking a college pitcher, Jeremy Guthrie was a Boras client, and signability reasons.

Originally posted by pittsmoThe Pirates didn't select Bullington because they were short on pitchers. Pitchers are the one thing that they are not short on at all. They are short on impact position players such as B.J. Upton and which is why they selected Neil Walker yesterday.

I'm can't recall what kind of balance (pitchers vs fielders) the Pirates had at that time, but I'm pretty sure they went with the lower risk factor in taking a polished college pitcher over the five-tool HS shortstop. And yes, in retrospect, Upton should've been their choice at #1. And yes, he is ripping it up in the minors. My one worry about Upton is that he doesn't work hard to improve his game, but instead survives off of his immense talent. I'm hoping that this will change once Sweet Lou gets his hands on him.

Feel free to ping me. My AIM is in my profile and I'm on all day long at work. Just identify yourself when you IM me, as I'm not likely to recognize the screenname. Glad to see we have a "Student of the Game" :-)

[Scorey1974]

Here is my first draft of the 2004rosters.csv file....there may be a few mistakes as I haven't checked the transaction's for the last few days...but it is pretty thorough....As soon as Rotochamp finishes with his prospect ratings then I will add them and post a universe file

[thejimmyst91]

Do yo uhave any plans on getting the contaracts in order? Or maybe someone could explain to me how to do it and then I would.

[RotoChamp2]

Prospects?!? I'm supposed to be working on prospects? I thought Scorey was!

Just kidding.

Anyways, as far as the contracts go, they will be done eventually. You can do a file in Notepad with the Player name, Salary, and Contract Length and then import it, according to a previous post by Clay. I'm not positive where it's at currently. But I'm hoping we can get to that eventually.

[goyanks225]

These rosters look great! Just two things: Can you change A-Rod to a third baseman and put him at third for the Yanks and Jeter at short? And can you put in Kaz Matsui as a shortstop for the Mets and change Jose Reyes to second base? Thanks!

[CardinalFan]

Albert plays 1st base not left field

[Vladman1327]

What do you do after you download and unzip the roster file? Where do you save it?

EDIT: Nevermind, I think I got it. Put it in input, right?

[Vladman1327]

I know I'm new, but I'll put in my ten cents about the rosters.

They aren't bad, except Joe Vitiello plays for Toronto or something. :confused: Not Montreal, anymore.

And where is the best young player off all time, Terrmel Sledge?

I know the prospects aren't done yet, but when they are, can you make sure to get the this trade in?

Peter Bergeron to Milwaukee in exchange for Belcher (OF) and Childers (RP) [to Montreal]

[RotoChamp2]

We can certainly move Bergeron, but the other two players won't be going in, as they're pretty crappy prospects. If they acquire major league service time they will be added in at that time. Only Belcher is rated in the Brewers top 30, and he's actually #30. He'd probably be higher rated in the thin Expos org, but not into the top 15 I don't think.

[pinballwizard51]

I was wondering who would be included for the White Sox as far as prospects. I was betting Jeremy Reed (CF), Felix Diaz (SP) would be added and maybe Ryan Sweeney (OF) and Brian Anderson (OF) would be too, but these are just guesses. Also I dont think that this has been corrected yet but willie harris is a 2B not a CF, Juan Uribe plays both 2B and SS so maybe he should be IF, and Schoeneweis is the 4th starter not a reliever. Also, I dont know if Shingo Takastu is in the roster or not. Thanks for all the work, and the time.

[mooseman74]

Not sure if this has to do with your .csv file or not Scorey..but I had two weird CY Young winners in the AL in 2004 and 2005....in 2004 Mike Fetters won it with some really messed up stats....nothing at all for his previous 12 years or whatever amount he's been in the league for....but then the next year Vic Darensburg won...his were similar...and I can't see HOW this guy could win the CY.....notice the BS stat for this season?

[DrDoom]

Not sure if this has to do with your .csv file or not Scorey

Actually Scorey's as well as all .csv files import from the lahman database and use ratings generated by the baseball mogul engine. You are not the only one having problems with players winning awards with questionable or just plain crappy stats. It seems to be a problem with the way the BBM engine selects award winners.

[mooseman74]

Well I never had this problem until I used this .csv.....which he created/edited that is used for 2004 start year. Just thought I'd point it out....other then that it's a great .csv.

Here's Fetters...back for the 2006 Cy Young!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by pinballwizard51
I was wondering who would be included for the White Sox as far as prospects. I was betting Jeremy Reed (CF), Felix Diaz (SP) would be added and maybe Ryan Sweeney (OF) and Brian Anderson (OF) would be too, but these are just guesses. Also I dont think that this has been corrected yet but willie harris is a 2B not a CF, Juan Uribe plays both 2B and SS so maybe he should be IF, and Schoeneweis is the 4th starter not a reliever. Also, I dont know if Shingo Takastu is in the roster or not. Thanks for all the work, and the time.

BA's top 15 will be there for CHW. Takatsu is considered a prospect, as he's officially a Major League Rookie. He'll be included in the prosepct load.

CHW Top 15
1 OF Reed, Jeremy
2 SP Honel, Kris
3 SP Cotts, Neal
4 OF Sweeney, Ryan
5 OF Borchard, Joe
6 SP Wing, Ryan
7 OF Anderson, Brian
8 RP Takatsu, Shingo
9 OF Young, Chris
10 SP Munoz, Arnie
11 SP McCarthy, Brandon
12 RP Miller, Brian
13 SS Valido, Robert
14 SP Rauch, Jon
15 RP Pacheco, Enemencio

Diaz is ranked #18 by BA, as he's not really established himself. He has immense talent, but doesn't do as much with it as anyone expects him to. He is on the Sox 40-man roster, but has never accrued Major League Service time. We may or may not add him. It'll have to depend on availability of roster space and it won't be in the next release I doubt...unless he is called up by the Sox.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by mooseman74
Well I never had this problem until I used this .csv.....which he created/edited that is used for 2004 start year. Just thought I'd point it out....other then that it's a great .csv.

Here's Fetters...back for the 2006 Cy Young!

Do I hear some skepticism about the Bulldog?

It won't have anything to do with the .csv file, as stated earlier.

[mooseman74]

well....I always liked Fetters....as has my buddy who actually saw him pitch for the Edmonton Trappers way back in the 80's....but the stats he put up to earn the Cy's are a tad bit unrealistic.....needless to say I had a good laugh. I bet every guy that puts up god awful AAA numbers hopes to get the call like Fetters did in my game haha. :)

[pinballwizard51]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
BA's top 15 will be there for CHW. Takatsu is considered a prospect, as he's officially a Major League Rookie. He'll be included in the prosepct load.

CHW Top 15
1 OF Reed, Jeremy
2 SP Honel, Kris
3 SP Cotts, Neal
4 OF Sweeney, Ryan
5 OF Borchard, Joe
6 SP Wing, Ryan
7 OF Anderson, Brian
8 RP Takatsu, Shingo
9 OF Young, Chris
10 SP Munoz, Arnie
11 SP McCarthy, Brandon
12 RP Miller, Brian
13 SS Valido, Robert
14 SP Rauch, Jon
15 RP Pacheco, Enemencio

Diaz is ranked #18 by BA, as he's not really established himself. He has immense talent, but doesn't do as much with it as anyone expects him to. He is on the Sox 40-man roster, but has never accrued Major League Service time. We may or may not add him. It'll have to depend on availability of roster space and it won't be in the next release I doubt...unless he is called up by the Sox.

First off, thank you very much for the reply and the info. Not that Diaz needs to be added, but he was called up for 2 starts this season to be the fith man in the rotation (he stuggled), so he has some time in the pros, but obviously he isnt that important. Thought you may like to know. Thanks again for the effort, let me know if i can help with anything

[ridge]

any idea when the complete roster with the top prospects might
be completed ?

[minotaur847]

Scorey and Roto make for a team that can't be beat. Keep up the great work guys.

My one question is when the rookie update is made, who will the Pirates be getting?

I know guys like Burnett, Bradley, Van Ben Schoten, Bullington and Maholm. But aside from them, who else?

Also, Could you please add Jake Bollig of the Colorado Rockies AA team. This guy played for the Washington Wild Things of the Frontier League and was Brilliant hitting over .350 with great power.

Thanks

[minotaur847]

Scorey and Roto make for a team that can't be beat. Keep up the great work guys.

My one question is when the rookie update is made, who will the Pirates be getting?

I know guys like Burnett, Bradley, Van Ben Schoten, Bullington and Maholm. But aside from them, who else?

Also, Could you please add Jake Bollig of the Colorado Rockies AA team. This guy played for the Washington Wild Things of the Frontier League and was Brilliant hitting over .350 with great power.

Thanks

[mooseman74]

Here's an extensive list of Blue Jay prospects I'd love to see added if you guys can:

Players

Alexis Rios OF*
Aaron Hill SS*
Russ Adams SS*
Gabe Gross OF*
John-Ford Griffin OF*
Guillermo Quiroz C*
Vito Chiaravalotti 1B*
Raul Tablado 3B
Ryan Roberts 2B
Clint Johnston 1B
David Smith OF
Tyrell Godwin OF
Simon Pond 3B/1B/OF*
Glenn Williams 3B

Pitchers

Josh Banks SP*
Bubbie Buzachero CL*
Jesse Harper SP*
Ismael Ramirez SP
Francisco Rosario SP
Jamie Vermilyea RP*
Justin James SP*
Shaun Marcum SP*
Thomas Mastny SP*
Felix Romero RP
Kevin Frederick RP
Todd Ozias SP
Adam Peterson CL
Cameron Reimers SP
John Ogiltree RP
Dustin McGowan SP*
Jason Arnold SP*
David Bush SP*
Vinny Chulk RP*
Jason Frasor RP/CL*
Bob File RP*

I know there's a lot listed...but most are very good prospects and the ones with stars are definitely needed in this game. Just thought I'd give you some names to help :)

[RotoChamp2]

Hmm, ok well Scorey was working on a list of the guys who've made MLB debuts this year and we must've overlooked Diaz thus far. He'll be on the add list then.

Regarding prospect inquiries:
I'll go one at a time. This is the prospect list for the Pirates:

1 SP VanBenschoten, John
2 SP Burnett, Sean
3 OF Bay, Jason
4 SP Bullington, Bryan
5 SP Johnson, Blair
6 SP Oquendo, Ian
7 SS/2B Sanchez, Freddy
8 SP Maholm, Paul
9 SP Stewart, Cory
10 C Doumit, Ryan
11 SP Johnston, Mike
12 2B/SS Castillo, Jose
13 OF Davis, J.J.
14 SP Capps, Matt
15 SP Duke, Zack

[ridge]

what about the tigers

whom do you have on there list ?

[RotoChamp2]

As for Bollig and the Rockies, I need to review him a bit to see if he warrants inclusion. The Rox have a few guys out of the Top 15 that are having nice seasons that I'm looking at including, such as Salazar, Barmes, and Closser. I'm working on getting through the Top 15 and any MLB Debuts first, then I'll look at those things. I closely follow the M's farm system and it too has a lot outside of the Top 15 I'm looking at including. But we'll come to that road after we've taken care of the initial listing.

As for the Blue Jays, here's the initial list:

1 OF Rios, Alexis
2 SP McGowan, Dustin
3 C Quiroz, Guillermo
4 OF Gross, Gabe
5 SP Rosario, Francisco
6 SS Hill, Aaron
7 SP Bush, David
8 SP Perkins, Vince
9 SS Adams, Russ
10 SP League, Brandon
11 SP Banks, Josh
12 RP Peterson, Adam
13 C Cash, Kevin
14 SP Hanson, D.J.
15 OF Griffin, John-Ford

McGowan will start off on the DL, due to his recent TJS. I'll look at adding guys like Arnold and such later, though I do view Arnold as another overrated former Yankee prospect. I notice you don't have Rosario selected as a "must-have" but he really does have a great more talent than most any pitcher in the organization...if he can get (and stay healthy) of course.

Jason Frasor is in the majors now, so he'll be included with the MLB Debut players.

[RotoChamp2]

Tigers list:
1 SP Sleeth, Kyle
2 OF Clevlen, Brent
3 SP Zumaya, Joel
4 SP Henkel, Rob
5 SS Giarratano, Tony
6 3B Kirkland, Cody
7 3B Moore, Scott
8 OF Granderson, Curtis
9 SP Sborz, Jay
10 SP Baugh, Kenny
11 3B/2B Raburn, Ryan
12 3B Ramirez, Wilkin
13 1B/C Shelton, Chris
14 OF Ross, Cody
15 SP Sanchez, Humberto


Ross was dealt to the Dodgers a little while ago, so he'll actually show up there. I may replace him with Jon Connolly or Preston Larrison, but I'm not sure. Connolly, I believe, may have been traded to Chicago (NL) though and Larrison isn't all that great...very inconsistent and a lot of difficulty with the strikezone this year. We'll see.

This is the last update I'll make to the included players for a bit, as I want to focus on getting it done. I can't give an ETR to completion, as I'm essentially building these player rankings from scratch. We'll do what we can to do get them out there in a timely manner to you all though.

[mooseman74]

Well I think Bush is the prize of the Jays' farm....I agree that Arnold is overrated...and from what I've read is losing a lot of velocity....he's never really produced at AAA....I meant to make Rosario a must add....missed him I guess. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Arnold was left out......As for Cash..I didn't list him because he's already on the team in the game.

[XtremeSlim]

Mets problems:
Raul Gonzalez was released before opening day. He is now with CLE's AAA team.
Kenny Kelly also was released before opening day. He is now with CIN's AAA/AA team tearing it up.
James Baldwin was released a few weeks ago. He is now with DET's AAA team.
Veternans like Tom Wilson and Gerald Williams need to be added. And Mike Glavine unfortunately.

Mets prospects: (No particular order)
CF Lastings Milledge
1B Craig Brazell
RF Victor Diaz
C Mike Jacobs
C Justin Huber
3B David Wright (Should be very very good)
3B Aaron Baldiris
1B Ian Bladergroen (He might be in the OF this year)
IF Chase Lambin (Very good contact hitter)
SS Kazuo Matsui
CF Wayne Lydon (one of the fastest players in the minors)

SP Scott Kazmir
SP Bob Keppel
RP Royce Ring
SP Yusmeiro Petit
SP Brian Bannister
SP Vincent Cordova
SP Kevin Deaton
SP Jose Diaz
SP Shane Hawk
SP Matthew Lindstrom
SP Matt Peterson
SP/RP Tyler Yates
SP Philip Humber

[pittsmo]

I'll go one at a time. This is the prospect list for the Pirates:

1 SP VanBenschoten, John
2 SP Burnett, Sean
3 OF Bay, Jason
4 SP Bullington, Bryan
5 SP Johnson, Blair
6 SP Oquendo, Ian
7 SS/2B Sanchez, Freddy
8 SP Maholm, Paul
9 SP Stewart, Cory
10 C Doumit, Ryan
11 SP Johnston, Mike
12 2B/SS Castillo, Jose
13 OF Davis, J.J.
14 SP Capps, Matt
15 SP Duke, Zack

Bay shouldn't be on there. He has major league experience, as well as Freddy Sanchez. Though it is limited, they are considered major leaguers for Pittsburgh and no longer prospect minor leaguers.

Jose Castillo has been with the team all year and has started most games, but I guess he could still be on the list.

J.J. Davis ran out of options and was forced to make the team this year and is on the DL right now, and his prospect status is up in the air.

I would suggest looking up Matt Capps and Blair Johnson and decide whether they should be included or not. Both are high school draft picks who have not proved a thing outside of rookie ball. Both started at Low-A this year, Johnson struggled and was sent back to extended spring training and Capps was forced into the bullpen where he continues to struggle.

Maybe look at moving Gorzelanny, McLouth, Morgan, Guzman or Eldred up.

[RotoChamp2]

Bay, Davis, and Castillo are on there because they still qualify as rookies according to the MLB Official Rules. For now, I'm sticking to making sure the Top 15 prospects from BA are in the game. After that, I may decide to expand it. A lot of teams will have guys on the Top 15 list that are either in the majors now or have been in the past.

[thejimmyst91]

Are you two sure that it isn't a problem with y'alls roster? I am getting it too since dling the file.

[ridge]

thanks scorey and rotochamp2 for all the time and effort
you two are putting into this roster

any estimate when it could be done by

thanks
Ridge

[Vladman1327]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
We can certainly move Bergeron, but the other two players won't be going in, as they're pretty crappy prospects. If they acquire major league service time they will be added in at that time. Only Belcher is rated in the Brewers top 30, and he's actually #30. He'd probably be higher rated in the thin Expos org, but not into the top 15 I don't think.


Thanks, you're doing a great job. I didn't mean to trouble you.


Here are some players that should be in the game...and I'm not sure if some are there already, but here goes...

Ron Chiavacci
Roy Corcoran
Scott Downs
Anthony Ferrari
Joe Horgan (in the majors right now)
Josh Karp
Seung Song
Randy Knorr
Paul Hoover
Scott Hodges
Maicer Izturis
Jorge Toca
Ryan Church
Val Pascucci

Justin Echols
Shawn Hill
Michael Hinkley
Rich Rundles
Larry Broadway
Josh Labandeira
Donnie Bridges
Rich Lane
Jeremy Ware

John Searles
Chad Chop
Danny Rombley
Dom Ambrosini


Again, I'm not trying to annoy you. I'm trying to help.

[ridge]

any chance the roster will be out by friday??

[RotoChamp2]

Not if you want properly rated prospects. Evaluating these prospects is much tougher than simply updating rosters and depth charts. In many cases I have to not only evaluate players, but also the park and league they play in and what types of pitching their facing. So many circumstances change across the minors that I can't apply blanket statements/projections to these guys. If you simply want the guys in the game and want to set the ratings yourself then I'm sure we can accomplish that in short order, otherwise it'll take some time.

[Mini2k4]

Hey RotoChamp2

I rather have a proper evaluation of a prospect rather than rushing them out with the wrong ratings.

[ridge]

i understand rotochamp2

i rather have a nice complete set

its just that i purchased the game when it first came out and been
waiting for a nice roster set to come out so we can
start our league, i was just looking for a timeline
thats all

the current rosters that are out are good, but i would like
a roster with some top prospects as yours and scorey

i also purchased ootp6 recently and was very disappointed
with the rosters sets that they have out

thanks for you time effort you two are putting into this set

[sardins]

How are things coming along with the prospects? Haven't read any new replies or posts regarding correct rosters lately. Anything I can do to help.

[Scorey1974]

Rotochamp is coming along with the prospects ratings right now....he has submitted a list to me of the prospects to add....So as soon as he gets the ratings done then I will get them in the game....your patience is appreciated!

Scorey

[Clay Dreslough]

I don't say this often enough, but I TOTALLY appreciate the work done by Chris, Scorey, and everyone else that contributes to these rosters and/or makes rosters of their own.

As someone who is motivated primarily by positive feedback myself, it would be nice if this thread could stay in that vein. Saying "you did a great a job with the rosters so far, but I think you over-rated Soriano, Palmeiro and Lopez" is a lot more constructive than "these rosters totally suck".

Chris and Scorey do this work because they enjoy it, and it's a lot less enjoyable when folks are telling them how much their work sucks.

Cheers,

Clay

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by Clay Dreslough
I don't say this often enough, but I TOTALLY appreciate the work done by Chris, Scorey.....As someone who is motivated primarily by positive feedback myself, it would be nice if this thread could stay in that vein.

Cheers,

Clay

Clay....Thank you for the kind words....AND I TOTALLY agree with you that we do thrive off of positive feedback....I know you (Clay) have taken a beating on the message boards when noone has a clue what may be going on with your personal life (family, work, etc...) Let me just say to you Clay that you have put out a FINE product that I thoroughly enjoy playing and deserve alot of accolades for improvements you have put into this season's version of the game! Keep up the good work

Scorey

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Clay....Thank you for the kind words....AND I TOTALLY agree with you that we do thrive off of positive feedback....I know you (Clay) have taken a beating on the message boards when noone has a clue what may be going on with your personal life (family, work, etc...) Let me just say to you Clay that you have put out a FINE product that I thoroughly enjoy playing and deserve alot of accolades for improvements you have put into this season's version of the game! Keep up the good work

Scorey


Amen to that. BBM 2K5 is the best one yet!

[Clay Dreslough]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
I know you (Clay) have taken a beating on the message boards when noone has a clue what may be going on with your personal life (family, work, etc...)

In the "too much information" department, I've been bedridden for the last 2 days with an infected toe -- the doctor actually REMOVED the toenail (yes that is about as painful as it sounds).

The stuff we make, whether a huge project like MLB Slugfest, a small project like Baseball Mogul 2005, or a volunteer project like updated rosters, is never perfect and there's always criticism.

So I just wanted to remind you that for every person screaming about ways in which the rosters are flawed, there are hundreds downloading them and enjoying them.

Clay

[sardins]

Hey Clay. Absolutely! I've purchased the game for the past three years now, but I've only just started getting into these forums. I haven't seen many really nasty posts or replies, but I don't think people realize what it takes to have over 1200 players on the right teams, with the proper contracts, who perform like they might in reality. I've thought about trying to do it myself but I don't have the time, even being on vacation! If someone has a difference of opinion about a players ratings you did create a wonderful feature called EDIT. By the way did you see my question regarding importing single players?

[RotoChamp2]

Sorry, I've been slow to get the prospects together. It's a pretty big task doing ratings for around 450 players, let alone starting them from scratch. I co-own a company, and hold a seperate job as well.

As far as Clay's comments, go: Thanks very much. I too realize what kind of beating you can take when you take the time and effort to put something out there for the world to see. I do statistical analysis and evalutaion of baseball players and project their upcoming season based off of leading indicators. We got hammered a lot, publicly, regarding our projections on some players just as I'm sure you get critisized. In our case, we charge nothing for our product, but still hear complaints.

Having come from a Customer Care background myself, I understand that people will feel a sense of entitlement whether they pay for a product or not, but often times those same people are too afraid, lazy, or (sometimes) dumb to ever put themselves in any of our shoes.


Anyways, regarding the prospect additions. I'll tell you what: At the very least I'll go through and wrap up any and all ratings for players who've appeared in the majors or currently in the majors. That way we can at least provide an updated roster with all of this year's MLB talent. Hopefully that'll hold some folks over until I'm done the rest. Work's been crazy busy lately and my free time's been scarce, but this weekend, with the exception of honoring my dad, is pretty open and I hope to get a lot done.

Thanks again.

[sardins]

There are too many HOMERS out there who think each and every prospect on their team is going to be the next Mark Prior or A-Rod. You can't please everyone. Some prospects pan out and most don't. But I have read a lot of the pressure for you guys to beef up the predictions for players. I find it interesting that like in the REAL game of baseball sometimes Mark Prior pitches like Richard Prior. That's the way it goes. I've done an entire league full of players for another team before. I know what it's like.

[TwinswillWin]

i like to let people add players and do all the trades then I tweak the predictions they way I like it. Some of you out there do the same and don't have complaints. If you complain to much they just might think they aren't apprciated and just stop making roster all together.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by TwinswillWin
If you complain to much they just might think they aren't apprciated and just stop making roster all together.

Nah....I will still continue on....;) ....There will ALWAYS be complaints....goes with the territory :)

[chisox55]

any timetable

[suppitty]

Originally posted by Clay Dreslough
In the "too much information" department, I've been bedridden for the last 2 days with an infected toe -- the doctor actually REMOVED the toenail (yes that is about as painful as it sounds).

Clay

I had a similar operation, and that good ole toenail never quite grew back. I got 5 pain killing shots in my big toe.:D

[BubbaDrew]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
Mets problems:
Raul Gonzalez was released before opening day. He is now with CLE's AAA team.
Kenny Kelly also was released before opening day. He is now with CIN's AAA/AA team tearing it up.
James Baldwin was released a few weeks ago. He is now with DET's AAA team.
Veternans like Tom Wilson and Gerald Williams need to be added. And Mike Glavine unfortunately.

Mets prospects: (No particular order)
CF Lastings Milledge
1B Craig Brazell
RF Victor Diaz
C Mike Jacobs
C Justin Huber
3B David Wright (Should be very very good)
3B Aaron Baldiris
1B Ian Bladergroen (He might be in the OF this year)
IF Chase Lambin (Very good contact hitter)
SS Kazuo Matsui
CF Wayne Lydon (one of the fastest players in the minors)

SP Scott Kazmir
SP Bob Keppel
RP Royce Ring
SP Yusmeiro Petit
SP Brian Bannister
SP Vincent Cordova
SP Kevin Deaton
SP Jose Diaz
SP Shane Hawk
SP Matthew Lindstrom
SP Matt Peterson
SP/RP Tyler Yates
SP Philip Humber

Whats an Extreme Slim?

[RotoChamp2]

Scorey is revisiting the MLB rosters at this point and looking to get the corrections (from this thread and from MLB 40-man rosters) made. We're focusing on getting in the players that have either appeared in the past or debuted this year. Right now we're running through some simulated seasons to see if we need to adjust our ratings. Because this year's version uses a "Peak Rating" we're not exactly sure how to rate some of the guys that are further away from the bigs. For example, if you called up a guy like Daric Barton, he'd probably do pretty bad. But if you waited a couple of years for him to develop, then his ratings and performance would increase, etc. So we're working on that part right now. It's a little tougher with the guys in Low and Full season A ball.

[Griffeykid03]

Any idea when you guys will release the universe file?

[RotoChamp2]

The short answer is "No"

Please subscribe to the thread and when we've released it you'll be notified by email.

[William Wallace]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
Whats an Extreme Slim?

Its XtremeSlim, but I have been wondering that question for a while. Geez, Jeff, nobody knows what one is.

[Scorey1974]

I have my file complete and am now awaiting the list of prospects from Rotochamp to complete the roster set....here is the file in universe form....(without players that are not in the Lahman Database)

If you see any obvious errors please feel free to point them out....Thanks....Scorey

[goyanks225]

It seems to me like Kevin Brown should be better than a 77. He is having a good year so far, at least in the 80s. Also, Mo Vaughn is on the 60 day DL and is not expected to play this year. Scorey, this roster is FANTASTIC. Thanks!!!

[RotoChamp2]

We haven't adjusted player ratings yet. Guys will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis once we get past loading and rating the prospects.

[Scorey1974]

I will get to the Beltran trade tomorrow!

[alvarez16]

Are the prospects in this roster?

[alvarez16]

And how do/where do i download it to???

Do i just replace the old universe file with this one and then just play the game using the "Dont load Stats" option???

[alvarez16]

And also, are the contracts updated on this one???? If not, has anyone released a player database with player contracts fixed??/

Thanks

[ridge]

how is the prospect rating progressing rotochamp2 ?

[RotoChamp2]

They're coming along fine. We're working on getting the 40 Man rosters done and the prospects included on each team's respective 40 man. That way you all can get your team's going with player's playing now.

I'm also almost done creating a new CITIES.TXT file which will have current City Population, Region Population, Per Capita Income, Population Growth, and Fan Interest levels. I've found by doing this it fixes a great deal of the money-loss issues. At least it did when I simulated Anaheim.

[ridge]

great,

thanks rotochamp

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by alvarez16
Are the prospects in this roster?

No, they aren't. The prospects are taking a while because we've had to do testing. A lot of these guys are years away from the majors and so I don't want them to - unrealistically - be ready to play and contribute in 2004. BBM2K5's inclusion of Peak Projections has allowed me to do that, but it takes some time to play around with it and figure out how accurately I can set the modern day stats to what I'd expect a player to rate (compared to MLB regulars) and then if I can set the peak projections to be accurate to the type of player he projects to. I don't know if that made sense...hard to explain and I'm a little brain dead at the moment. We've got a bunch of things going on so don't stress. Thanks for your patience all, and here's a look at what we're hoping to accomplish:

1) Full 40 Man Roster
2) Any prospects on Baseball America's team-specific top-15 list that aren't on a 40 man roster.
3) Any players not on a 40 man roster but having appeared in the majors and still active.
4) Updated Contracts for MLB players
5) Updated 2004 projections/ratings for MLB Players
6) Updated Cities.txt file


That's all I can remember at the moment. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I'd love to be able to release a universe that has all of that to start with, but I realize you all may not want to wait that long. So we'll figure something out.

[ridge]

i hope the release is soon

i have been checking the site daily and hoping for
3 weeks now

[snapsjp]

xcellent start
one small comment though
some teams have guys at the wrong positions
ie. angles have erstad at center instead first baseman
just wanted to make sure you were aware
thanks for the rosters!!!

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by snapsjp
xcellent start
one small comment though
some teams have guys at the wrong positions
ie. angles have erstad at center instead first baseman
just wanted to make sure you were aware
thanks for the rosters!!!


Ditto with A-Rod as a SS.

[Scorey1974]

That is correct....No player ratings or player positions have been tinkered with yet....that will all get straightened out with time....:)

For future reference....some players that are on MLB teams minor league rosters but are not on the 40-man roster may be released into the free agent pool in order to put more prospects onto the teams....Just wanted to give you guys a heads up on that....I'd figure you all would want more prospects and less crappy AAA players on your universe file...but that's just my opinion....

Scorey

[Khakhan]

It's great that there are people who spend the immense amount of time and research required to make these. Thanks scorey and RotoChamp! Don't get discouraged.

[tommygunn0948]

Guys, great job on the database. The salaries are the only thing that are off. ESPN.com has team pages with this years salaries on them. Not sure if you have a better source. This doesnt tell contract length. Thanks. Keep up the great work!

Example

PLAYER SALARY
1. Mo Vaughn 17,166,667
2. Mike Piazza 16,071,429
3. Richard Hidalgo 12,500,000
4. Tom Glavine 10,765,608
5. Al Leiter 10,295,600
6. Cliff Floyd 6,500,000
7. Kazuo Matsui 5,066,667
8. Steve Trachsel 5,000,000
9. Mike Cameron 4,333,333
10. Mike Stanton 3,000,000
11. Braden Looper 2,000,000
12. John Franco 1,100,000
13. Todd Zeile 1,000,000
14. Karim Garcia 800,000
15. Vance Wilson 715,000
16. Scott Strickland 650,000
17. Joe McEwing 500,000
18. Grant Roberts 319,500
19. Jason Phillips 318,000
20. Orber Moreno 317,500
21. Ty Wigginton 316,000
22. Dan Wheeler 311,500
23. Jose Reyes 307,500
24. Tyler Yates 300,000

[goyanks225]

I have a web site with all correct salaries on my other computer, so once I get back on that one I will put up the link.

[ridge]

thanks scorey and rotochamp2

the current universe data is awesome


any idea when the prospects will be completed and
issued for release


thanks for your time and effort into creating this roster set

[RotoChamp2]

Ok guys, I don't want to keep repeating myself, but we don't have a timeline for when the prospects will be done. We're working on it as fast as we can when our time permits.

As for the contracts, we've got some good sources for that information. The only additional thing that we could use would be a site that shows arbitration status for players. Something that might tells us how many more years the club controls a players contract. For example, I believe Alfonso Soriano has two more years of Arbitration before he's a FA. If someone knows a source for that, it'd be helpful, otherwise I'm ok on the contract info.

[alvarez16]

Great job with the rosters

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Ok guys, I don't want to keep repeating myself, but we don't have a timeline for when the prospects will be done. We're working on it as fast as we can when our time permits.

As for the contracts, we've got some good sources for that information. The only additional thing that we could use would be a site that shows arbitration status for players. Something that might tells us how many more years the club controls a players contract. For example, I believe Alfonso Soriano has two more years of Arbitration before he's a FA. If someone knows a source for that, it'd be helpful, otherwise I'm ok on the contract info.

http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/

The above link has contract info for all players for each individual season. I think it will be useful. For Soriano, it has him down for $5.4 million this year only.

[Scorey1974]

Just an update for you all......Most of the prospect hitters have been added to the game and their ratings are being evaluated by rotochamp as well as a new cities.txt file for the game....Once the batter's ratings are complete we will add the prospect pitchers to the game....and at that point possible release a "beta" version of our universe.....at that point we will begin to look at the "lahman DB" player ratings and contract info and anything else that needs to be addressed....thank you for your patience...it will be worth the wait....:)

[ridge]

thanks for the update scorey

i was just wondering will the roster for mogul 2005
have the same, more or less players than the last roster
you put out for mogul 2004, which had a lot of players
in the minor league system and a lot prospects
and fringe players in the minors ??

thanks
Ridge

[RotoChamp2]

Just to give you an overview of our release schedule at this point.

Beta Releases:
v0.1 - Cities.TXT file updated with 2000 Census numbers
v0.2 - Hitting Prospects added and rated
v0.3 - Pitching Propsects added and rated
v0.4 - Contracts Adjusted/corrected
v0.5 - Hitter Rankings adjusted
v0.6 - Pitching Rankings adjusted

Official Releases:
v1.0 - Incorporates all changes above and any additional fixes, transactions, etc. from fan feedback.

That's the release cycle we're looking at. I'm not positive of any dates that for release, so please don't ask. Don't mean to sound rude, but I know if I don't say it that we'll get a ton of questions about it.

[seand89]

How do you create all of these rosters. I have never been able to do it.

[Scorey1974]

It's a secret....basically you have to have a Phd. in baseball statistics and at least a Master's degree in Baseball Mogul...;)

No...really in all actuality....You go into league editor and this will turn on the commish mode which enables you to edit players...create players...force trades....and on and on....That's the gist of it....after you make all your changes you save your game as the name "universe" and in the drop down box select universe.dat and the file type....and waalaa...you have a new roster....That's the quick version....You have to play around with this for a while before you get the hang on it

Scorey

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
That's the release cycle we're looking at. I'm not positive of any dates that for release, so please don't ask. Don't mean to sound rude, but I know if I don't say it that we'll get a ton of questions about it.

I second that...it's going to take a little while to get this right...but we are both working hard every day to get this done....Once we have an official version to release it will be available at Baseball Sim Central (http://files.simcentral.net/index/Baseball_Mogul/)

Scorey

[Scorey1974]

Update for you all today....Rotochamp has completed his new cities.txt file and it is implemented in the universe....ALL the hitting prospects have been created....(but not rated yet)....I am working on a beta version of my 2004contracts.csv file to use for the game which I will release when it is done....things are starting to shape up....Tomorrow I start going through and seeing what pitchers we will add to the game.

[chisox55]

SC - I made a lot of pictures for the 2004 game which i used as a zip file and posted on the forums a few months ago and most people used them. Whatever help you need with that I'll be glad to do!

[Scorey1974]

Hey Chisox...that would be great if you could get some updated pics....you can send them to me at my email in my sig....That would be awesome...thanks

[chisox55]

send me a list of the players u need ----> thrddeg555@yahoo.com and i'll send them over

[Torborg4Rent]

Will draft picks be put in the new updates?

[RotoChamp2]

I'm assuming you mean draft picks from this year's Amateur Draft. In which case, the answer is no. At least not initially. We need to wait to find out who signs and who doesn't. Also, we want to at least see these cats play some ball before we rate them. Besides that, this year's draft was pretty weak on immediate impact players anyway. It's not like there's a Mark Prior in the bunch.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
It's not like there's a Mark Prior in the bunch.

I bet the Twins are kicking themselves in the arse for passing on Prior for Mauer ;)

[GM24]

The Twins couldnt afford Prior

[Scorey1974]

If I would have been the GM for the Twins I would have found a way....:D

[Khakhan]

They found a way to overpay Radke ($9 million per year) so i think they could have found a way to pay Mark Prior. That was a sad day for twins fans. At least Joe Mauer will be really good, Better be good I mean :)

[TwinswillWin]

Radke use to be alot better but he was never that good to start off anyways. Mark Proir knew he could get the money cause the Yankees offered him cash to come to them right when he finished High School. 8300+ Views looks like the Scorey Rotochamp roster is highly anticipated. OH and Carl Polad is a cheap old man.

[RotoChamp2]

Yeah, say what you will, but you gotta admit we know how to build suspense :D

[ridge]

any update forthcoming on the roster

[RotoChamp2]

Scorey's just about finished loading all of the pitchers. I then need to rate all of the prospects.

It's taken longer than expected due to roster limitations and the 70 player max in both the hitters and pitchers' free agent pools. We've made some decisions on deleting some players from the game to accomodate the prospects. As of this moment we've not needed to remove any hitters from the game, however with only 27 pitchers per team and the free agent 70, we ran into some problems there. We will include a readme.txt file with the universe that explains who's been deleted.

We still have to do prospect ratings and depth charts. Contracts are being worked on currently, as are the cities. At this point the cities file that I created was FUBAR. Due to the game's financial engine, accurate city numbers have created payroll budgets that are far too high. I need to play around with that some more to get it to balance correctly. We may just end up utilizing a city file I noticed someone else on the boards working on, though that's not set as of now.

Thanks again for your patience!

I will be posting a thread with a new poll to gauge interest in one other option.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Contracts are being worked on currently

I am working on the contracts for Scorey, and I have been making good progress. Out of the 1900 or so players, I have done about 1400 of those in the last 2-3 days, so I should have it done tomorrow or Sunday, and I will send it to Scorey right when it's done.

[RotoChamp2]

And if Scorey hasn't said it yet, Thanks for doing that Yanks!

Poll has been posted HERE (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55743). So please weigh in with your opinion.

[Scorey1974]

goyanks.....Thanks for the HARD work man...you are working at a feverish pace!.....:)

[Northern Brave]

Dang you all are working hard on this one and cannot wait till it comes out. Definitly need to say thank you to all involved on this one for making such for all of us!:)

[Scorey1974]

Here is an Excel file with the names of all the prospects we have added to the universe...thought some of you may want to see it....

[Ahan]

I'm a little confused as to why you would take out prospects that were in the game last year (such as Ian Stewart, Ben Francisco, Joey Gomes etc.)

[Scorey1974]

Ian Stewart is in the game this year....the other two are not....It's a new year the prospects are ranked differently this season....We did the top 15 for each team....the other two were not in the top 15 for their respective teams....:)

[Scorey1974]

For those of you who don't have Excel...here is the prospect list in notepad....Surely everyone has notepad....:D

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Ahan
I'm a little confused as to why you would take out prospects that were in the game last year (such as Ian Stewart, Ben Francisco, Joey Gomes etc.)

We didn't "take" out any prospects per say. We've built this one off of the BBM2K5 roster set. I provided the top 15 prospects to Scorey, who's added them into the game. In the case of Joey Gomes, he doesn't even rank in the Top 30 of BA's Tampa Devil Ray rankings, so I can't justify him being in there at this point. Francisco is 29th rated in Cleveland's system, but he's got the bat of a middle infielder or center fielder, but no defensive ability to play either position well in the majors.

Regardless, the point here is that we haven't elected to remove prospects. In the case of pitching prospects, there may be some folks left out from the Top 15 of a particular club(s) due to the roster limitations of the game itself.

[Ahan]

Okay ya thats cool, I wasn't really aware of the 15 prospects thing. I haven't been paying tooo much attention. I just got used to seeing them in the game with previous versions. Everything looks great though and I can't wait. Its a good thing there are people like you guys out there cuz the rosters that came with the game are a liiittttllleee sub par ;)

[goyanks225]

I just sent the contracts file over to Scorey, so that's all done.

[Scorey1974]

Just a little update for you all....the contract info is updated now thanks to goyanks!....Rotochamp is currently working on the prospect ratings....we're getting closer everyday....

[seedpied]

make sure C.Beltran, F.Garcia, and Dotel are on the right team along with the players in those trades. I can't wait for the latest roster update with all the prospects back. Thanks Scorey.

[RotoChamp2]

We've already done it. We're on top of the current transactions. Thanks

[chisox55]

Hey guys...

scorey emailed me all the missing photos that we need for the game. Due to the large number I don't think I can do all of them and for time considerations it would be nice if someone or even a few people wanted to help me with it. I'd give you a few teams off the list and you could make the pictures.

Here's a Tutorial on how to get pictures.

1. Search On Yahoo or Google for the players name. Some guys take longer than others, and try to get a good pic.

2. Copy the picture and bring it into an Image editing software program. The best program is oviously Photoshop. Due to its cost I'm sure not everyone has it. So do it like I do it! PIRATE IT! And maybe I can send you a copy if need be. Either way, bring the picture in and shrink it down till it is 160x200... PIXELS. You can trim it down to just his head, his whole body whatever, just make sure it looks good.

3. Once you have the pic you need to save the file. The quality can be about medium, like in Photoshop I save the images as a 6 out of 12. It doesn't make you lose a lot of quality and it keeps the file small.

4. Name the file the first 10 letters of someones name.
IE. Magglio Ordonez would be MagglioOrd
Frank Thomas would be FrankThoma

Simple? I think so.. heres an example I've attached. Please email me thrddeg555@yahoo.com if your intrested. We need over 200 pix so it'd be great if you could even take 1 or 2 teams. THanks!

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by seedpied
make sure C.Beltran, F.Garcia, and Dotel are on the right team along with the players in those trades. I can't wait for the latest roster update with all the prospects back. Thanks Scorey.

Just an FYI for you all....You do not need to post daily transactions on this thread as I check multiple sites many times a day for all the MLB transactions for the day...Thank you ....Scorey

[Scorey1974]

Chisox....let me know what you need help with ....I can get some of the pics

Scorey

[chisox55]

Dnt worry bout it u got enough to do with the rosters! I've got 2 others that just contacted me so I think we have it covered. Anyone else though! It's really easy!:D

[chisox55]

Player Update ===> I know you said you don't want to know them but you have Robert Valido as a White Sox top prospect but he was sent to Seattle in the Garcia trade! Sorry if you knew that!

[RotoChamp2]

No he wasn't...I'm a big M's fan, and I've not seen anything about that.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/trades04.html

[boomboom]

Originally posted by chisox55
Player Update ===> I know you said you don't want to know them but you have Robert Valido as a White Sox top prospect but he was sent to Seattle in the Garcia trade! Sorry if you knew that!

unless there was another trade with chicago i dont know about, but Robert Valido isnt in the M's Farm.

[mooseman74]

Valido is still with Chicago's Kannapolis team in A ball.

If you guys are adding single A prospects then there are a few more players that should be added to the Jays list!

[Scorey1974]

The OTHER prospect besides Jeremy Reed that went to the M's in the Garcia deal was Michael Morse....not Valido....

Yes we are still looking at prospects to add to the current list...BUT....there will most likely not be any more pitchers added

The Jays currently sit at 28 batters on the roster and i will be looking to put that number up to around 32-35 for final production....(Just more work for Rotochamp...;) )

[mooseman74]

Yeah...the batters were what I meant there.....the pitchers look great and pretty full on that side. :)

[chisox55]

lol my bad guys! I got moorse mixed up with valido

[Khakhan]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Just to give you an overview of our release schedule at this point.

Beta Releases:
v0.1 - Cities.TXT file updated with 2000 Census numbers
v0.2 - Hitting Prospects added and rated
v0.3 - Pitching Propsects added and rated
v0.4 - Contracts Adjusted/corrected
v0.5 - Hitter Rankings adjusted
v0.6 - Pitching Rankings adjusted

Official Releases:
v1.0 - Incorporates all changes above and any additional fixes, transactions, etc. from fan feedback.

That's the release cycle we're looking at. I'm not positive of any dates that for release, so please don't ask. Don't mean to sound rude, but I know if I don't say it that we'll get a ton of questions about it.

Any updates on how far you've gotten? Seems close :)

[RotoChamp2]

Well, due to an issue with the program we've had to hold off on prospect ratings.

Clay appears to have fixed the issue with an unofficial patch that's being tested right now.

Otherwise:
1) Contracts are loaded (with a few minor edits needed)
2) Hitting and Pitching Prospects are loaded

Issues/Working Action Items:
1) Accurate Cities.txt info drastically skews revenue, etc. We're working on making the file realistic from a revenue standpoint, as opposed to accurate from a population, income, etc. standpoint.
2) Working on Prospect Rankings and adjusted Player Ratings (for existing players). Finished Anaheim and most of Oakland before noticing the problem mentioned above. Will need to go back and adjust the prospects on these teams.
3) Player Pictures are being gathered by chisox and others. Thanks very much for that, if I haven't said it yet.
4) Scorey's keeping up with daily transactions as we go, so the Beltran and Garcia trades are updated, as well as Garcia's new contract.

I will tell you this guys. There are over 1,800 players for me to rate, so this isn't going to be a quick thing. We're looking between 2 and 4 weeks possibly. The existing players are easy, as I've already generated projections for many of them and am also utilizing their 2004 stats as a buffer. But the prospects take a while. I'll work as fast as I can, because I know there's a lot of you out there that want it. Any additional prospects you want in the game will have to come after the initial launch, for the sake of all those waiting.

[goyanks225]

What's the problem?

[RotoChamp2]

We're just having a problem with the peak ratings and start ages. There appears to be a limitation of some sort For example, Mathis (anaheim catching prospect) is 21 right now, and catchers tend to hit their offensive peaks later than most hitters, however the game won't allow us to change his peak start age. So we attempted to leave the peak start age alone and simply change the peak ratings to what I wanted, however those weren't saving either.

Clay sent me a patch to test today and it appears to have solved the problem, though I'm doing some more testing with other players before I say for sure that it's good to go.

Basically all of the prospects I've done will require me to go back and edit the peak ratings again, though not by much thankfully.

[chisox55]

Rotochamp what is that website u started?

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by chisox55
Rotochamp what is that website u started?

What do you mean?

[chisox55]

i was just wondering what your website was cause you've got ur URL there

[BubbaDrew]

I looked at the Notepad thing, and a problem with the Cubs(guess what my fav team is?)

1. Jae Kuk Ryu: Last year, he killed a man(threw a ball at his head while he wasin the batters box) and is banned from baseball. He shouldnt be on that list.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
I looked at the Notepad thing, and a problem with the Cubs(guess what my fav team is?)

1. Jae Kuk Ryu: Last year, he killed a man(threw a ball at his head while he wasin the batters box) and is banned from baseball. He shouldnt be on that list.
Actually he killed an Osprey, which is a protected species of bird.

Do you have a source for the this banning you mentioned? I've read nothing about him being banned from baseball, only that he's been sidelined with elbow trouble this season.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by chisox55
i was just wondering what your website was cause you've got ur URL there

Well, being that this is SportsMoguls forums, I don't want to talk a lot about it, because that's essentially promoting the site and I don't like to do a ton of that on other people's sites, without their permission. I link to it, because I've been working on this roster, so I wanted to provide some people with an understanding of why I think my opinion/ratings are qualified.

Basically, we do statistical analysis and projections from a Fantasy Baseball standpoint. We are basically attempting to build a community of fantasy baseball fans who like to discuss and debate player ratings, performance, and evaluation in general. We try to provide useful tools for fantasy owners to use in preparing for fantasy drafts and/or auctions.

If anyone wants more info, feel free to contact me off of the boards on AIM (sn is in my profile). I don't inundate Scorey's thread or Mogul's boards with information about a product they don't endorse.

But if you like, check it out. We're don't charge money or anything, and we're virtually ad-free and VERY anti-spam.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
I don't inundate Scorey's thread or Mogul's boards with information about a product they don't endorse.

But if you like, check it out. We're don't charge money or anything, and we're virtually ad-free and VERY anti-spam.

I highly recommend the site....It is grade A+ :)

[moswirl]

when i play baseball mogul 2005 for more than 5 or 6 seasons, all but maybe three teams in the entire league end up in debt. Does anybody know if theres a patch that fixes this or if there will be one?

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by moswirl
when i play baseball mogul 2005 for more than 5 or 6 seasons, all but maybe three teams in the entire league end up in debt. Does anybody know if theres a patch that fixes this or if there will be one?

We're working on fixing this with our universe release. We'll look at modifying it by changing the Cities info. In the meantime, if you go into Commish Mode => League Editor you can raise the League Revenue up and lower the Contract Demands. That should tide you over.

[fgevilmonkey]

When he says Pirate, he doesn't mean stealing it, because stealing would be wrong. What he's trying to say is, borrow it without someone's permission and never give it back. Because borrowing isn't a crime.



Originally posted by chisox55


2. Copy the picture and bring it into an Image editing software program. The best program is oviously Photoshop. Due to its cost I'm sure not everyone has it. So do it like I do it! PIRATE IT! And maybe I can send you a copy if need be. Either way, bring the picture in and shrink it down till it is 160x200... PIXELS. You can trim it down to just his head, his whole body whatever, just make sure it looks good.

[chisox55]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Actually he killed an Osprey, which is a protected species of bird.

Do you have a source for the this banning you mentioned? I've read nothing about him being banned from baseball, only that he's been sidelined with elbow trouble this season.


LOL.... Theres been confusion between two sepreate incidents. One Cubs Minor Leaguer before the game suspected the first hitter of timing his pitches and he threw the ball as hard as he could from only 40 feet away, blinding the catcher in one of his eyes. This Jae Ku Ru or watever was the bird incident

[TwinswillWin]

Mike Cuddyer Minnesota Twins you can't say his position is OF anymore hes now like how Denny Hocking was He plays any position.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by TwinswillWin
Mike Cuddyer Minnesota Twins you can't say his position is OF anymore hes now like how Denny Hocking was He plays any position.

I'm aware of that, the problem is trying to make a guy a Utility player isn't easy. I'm actually going to change him to a 3B, as he's projecting to start there next season after Koskie leaves as a FA.

[Khakhan]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2


1) Contracts are loaded (with a few minor edits needed)
2) Hitting and Pitching Prospects are loaded
Sweet, good work so far.


Issues/Working Action Items:
1) Accurate Cities.txt info drastically skews revenue, etc. We're working on making the file realistic from a revenue standpoint, as opposed to accurate from a population, income, etc. standpoint.
Are you basing this off of Crispy's Cities.txt? It's a good startpoint it seems, though not totally accurate.

Will there be stadium changes as well?



2) Working on Prospect Rankings and adjusted Player Ratings (for existing players). Finished Anaheim and most of Oakland before noticing the problem mentioned above. Will need to go back and adjust the prospects on these teams.

I do not envy this job :D certainly the hardest part. Good luck with it.



3) Player Pictures are being gathered by chisox and others. Thanks very much for that, if I haven't said it yet.

How is this coming? I saw some posts about it earlier, do you need some help still Chisox?



4) Scorey's keeping up with daily transactions as we go, so the Beltran and Garcia trades are updated, as well as Garcia's new contract.

I will tell you this guys. There are over 1,800 players for me to rate, so this isn't going to be a quick thing. We're looking between 2 and 4 weeks possibly. The existing players are easy, as I've already generated projections for many of them and am also utilizing their 2004 stats as a buffer. But the prospects take a while. I'll work as fast as I can, because I know there's a lot of you out there that want it. Any additional prospects you want in the game will have to come after the initial launch, for the sake of all those waiting.

So, scorey you have finished editing all of the existing player progressions? If you have, it would be good to test out a universe.dat that would have just these updates and whatever else thats totally completed. Then we can bicker about who should progress to whatever rating, it seems like you have plenty of playtesters out there. But if you want to wait until its all done first thats also a good way to go, shows confidence :)

[Torborg4Rent]

Are you going to add any of the draft picks?

[fgevilmonkey]

It might be an annoyance to have to read through the previous pages of this topic, but trust me when I say it annoys everybody, not just the guys to have to answer the question, when you ask a question that's already been answered.

But no. They aren't. Not until they see if these kids are any good.


Originally posted by Torborg4Rent
Are you going to add any of the draft picks?

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Khakhan
Are you basing this off of Crispy's Cities.txt? It's a good startpoint it seems, though not totally accurate.

Will there be stadium changes as well?

We are now. I became aware of Crispy's file just recently. We haven't gotten a chance to SIM it yet to see how it works out. We are anticipating adding in the newer stadiums.

Originally posted by Khakhan
So, scorey you have finished editing all of the existing player progressions? If you have, it would be good to test out a universe.dat that would have just these updates and whatever else thats totally completed. Then we can bicker about who should progress to whatever rating, it seems like you have plenty of playtesters out there. But if you want to wait until its all done first thats also a good way to go, shows confidence :)

Well, if you want to test out the universe, Scorey can provide it to you to try out. We posted a previously thread asking if everyone wanted to try it out and the results were mostly that people were wanting to wait until it was complete.

[Torborg4Rent]

Originally posted by fgevilmonkey
It might be an annoyance to have to read through the previous pages of this topic, but trust me when I say it annoys everybody, not just the guys to have to answer the question, when you ask a question that's already been answered.

But no. They aren't. Not until they see if these kids are any good.

That's kinda lame. You can tell how well a high draft pick will do just as well as a guy doing well in low-A ball.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Torborg4Rent
That's kinda lame. You can tell how well a high draft pick will do just as well as a guy doing well in low-A ball.

Actually, don't think that's true. You're comparing two or three different talent levels. Taking a guy who's never used a wood bat and throwing him into pro ball against tougher pitching competition. This especially true with high school draftees. I evaluate prospects based off of performance, not based off a scout saying so-and-so is a 5 tool player or has great "pitchability" and this other non-sense they come up with.

Also, at this point, we've filled up the pitching rosters and it's only hitters that we have additional room for. This draft was pretty weak on immediate impact hitters.

Sorry, but if you don't like it go ahead and put in additional players that you want in there. Currently, there're over 1800 players for me to go through and rate or re-rate and I don't need to make the job harder by adding in prospects that don't have any numbers that mean anything.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by Torborg4Rent
That's kinda lame.

Lame?....Why is that lame?....There just happens to be a lack of impact players from this season's draft....last season was a totally different story....

[OhPhilly54]

Wasn't the guy who threw the ball at someone named Ben Christiansen? I thought that was him...and I don't think he's a cub any more. But I think he is in the league. I'll look it up.

[Scorey1974]

Yes I believe it was Ben Christensen.....

Here's his stats so far this season....


Christensen, Ben
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Southern League » West Tenn Diamond Jaxx 4/8 to 5/4

W L SV ERA G IP H R ER BB KO HR
0 1 0 4.91 9 11 11 7 6 7 12 0

Texas League » San Antonio Missions 5/4 to 7/11

W L SV ERA G IP H R ER BB KO HR
0 0 0 9.35 5 8.2 13 9 9 10 5 1


Ben was the 26th pick of the 1st round in the '99 amatuer draft

Found a discussion about the incident thought you all may want to read....Go HERE (http://baseball-fever.com/archive/index.php/t-16708.html)

[Torborg4Rent]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Lame?....Why is that lame?....There just happens to be a lack of impact players from this season's draft....last season was a totally different story....

You're wrong.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Torborg4Rent
You're wrong.

Thanks for your opinion. In this case, I think we'll take the opinion of Baseball America over yours.

We're done addressing the questions about this year's draft prospects for the time being. If, at the end of the season, some of these guys have gotten some professional time in, we may revisit it...time permitting.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by Torborg4Rent
You're wrong.

Hey...I've been wrong before...but not this time...;)

[Xerxes]

I came to this forum last year after seeing what a disaster the
rosters were. I found Scorey's Universe file and it saved the day.
Now it pained me to see that even this year's rosters weren't any
better. Jose Reyes and Kaz Matsui weren't on the Mets but David
Cone was. So was Pedro Astacio, Timo Perez, etc., it was the
same problem from last year all over again. Now not only is
Scorey working on these problems but he has help. I'm amazed
that Scorey and Rotochamp would do all this and for what?
They're not getting paid but what they are doing is making sure
that people get the best gaming experience and the most bang
for their buck. So it bothers me when people start making
demands of you guys and say you must do this or add that. You
two are working really hard at this and deserve some gratitude
and a little respect. I know I couldn't be bothered but it is nice
see people who are willing take the time and hard work into
making this a better, more accurate game. So thanks a lot guys
and keep up the good work.

[Scorey1974]

Thank you very much....Your kind words and ecouragement are quite refreshing...:)

[ridge]

Can we have an update on how things are going,
the last update was on 7/7

thanks
Ridge

[Scorey1974]

OK...here goes....RC2 is furiously working on getting hitting prospects rated right now...after he has completed that we will release our first unofficial version of the rosters for you guys to test out....should be a week...week and a half or so....then on to pitchers.....Please understand everyone...that....we are trying to make this as accurate as possible so it is taking time to get the prospects rated as best as possible....Contract info has been inputted....stadium updates are in the game....All prospects will have their correct birthday's in their player scouting screen under transactions...

Due to roster constraints some players off the 40 man rosters will be left off to make room for prospects but will be included in the FA pool....ALL active 25 man rosters will be represented for each ballclub

Thanks for your patience

Scorey

[JrCrowley33]

Scorey....why are bellhorns ratings so low? Also, Pedro Astacio hasnt been added to the redsox and neither has Youkilis

[JrCrowley33]

Is there a way Brooks Kieschnick and Mccarty can be created as pitchers?

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by JrCrowley33
Scorey....why are bellhorns ratings so low? Also, Pedro Astacio hasnt been added to the redsox and neither has Youkilis

Astacio probably wont be added to the Bosox unless he makes the 25 man roster...and Youkilis is in the game

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by JrCrowley33
Is there a way Brooks Kieschnick and Mccarty can be created as pitchers?

Brooks was loaded up as a hitter from the Lahman DB...so if we create him as a pitcher then we will lose all his year by year stats....as for McCarty....who are you talking about in specific?

[RotoChamp2]

He's talking about David McCarty.

And no, he won't be loaded as a pitcher either.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by JrCrowley33
Scorey....why are bellhorns ratings so low?

We haven't messed with existing player ratings yet....those ratings are what the game created for him...

[nordbye]

Scorey keep up the good work. If you need some help, let me know. If I can, I will be happy too. It is fustrating at times to find the players that are on your team. Being a Cubs fan, I had to search for my shortstop - Alex Gonzales - found both Alex's on Florida. Had to move him back home.

[seedpied]

Great Roster updates. Check out this picture.

[elgato7664]

I am working on my own universe and when I save most of the peak ages stay the same but quite a few are random new peak ages. I was just wondering if you were having/or aware of such problems. This happens with created players as well as veterans.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by elgato7664
I am working on my own universe and when I save most of the peak ages stay the same but quite a few are random new peak ages. I was just wondering if you were having/or aware of such problems. This happens with created players as well as veterans.

You need to download the newest "unofficial" patch, which resolved that issue. We were having the same issue for a while too. That patch is available Here (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56056)

[JrCrowley33]

Where is the link for the newest release of the most currently updated rosters? Thank you for answering my questions btw scorey

[JrCrowley33]

Scorey....i DL the new universe file, and in a previous thread you had said that youkilis was part of the new universe.dat but he is in fact not, i did notice he was on the CURRENT rosters you are working on listed as prospects...is there a place i can dl a new universe file as of right now with youkilis in the file, thanks

[RotoChamp2]

Youkilis is in the current roster we are working on. You'll have to wait a bit until we finish, just like everyone else. You wouldn't want the file anyways right now, as he's not even rated.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by JrCrowley33
Scorey....i DL the new universe file...is there a place i can dl a new universe file as of right now with youkilis in the file, thanks

The universe file you downloaded is not the one we are currently working on....If you would like to see a preview of the current state of the universe we are working on send me an email requesting to see it....

Scorey

[Griffeykid03]

can you post the contract file?

[Scorey1974]

Here's the contract file used for Scorey & RC2'a universe

[Griffeykid03]

Great Job, Thanks!

[JrCrowley33]

what file do i put the contracts folder in??

[JrCrowley33]

Do I replace the Salaries file?

[sardins]

Put the salaries in the input folder and then import the data from the game using the import stats function under Tools. Then select the contracts file at the top of the popup screen and choose "salary" and "contract length" as the fields to import.

[goyanks225]

How close are you guys from a release? Any predicted date? How much progress have you made?