George W. Bush

[goyanks225]

Who here thinks George W. Bush should be re-elected?

[oriole^]

ohellno.

[Clay Dreslough]

65% of males voted for GWB in the last election. And Baseball Mogul is overwhelmingly male.

So either we have a skewed sample (college grads?, coastal urbanites?) or we have lots of people voting from outside the US (where Bush's rep is ... how shall I put it ... not so good).

Clay

[williethebasset]

I think baseball mogul would have more college grads, seeing as they are more educated and educated people tend to vote liberal. (Its a proven fact that the highest 11 of 12 average IQ states vote for liberals, the dumbest 12 all voted for bush)

[kingmob]

i voted yes because at least we know what the bush agenda is.....john (kohn) kerry is a fabian socialist who will be worse than bush.....besides the whole administration is on the verge of impeachment from a bunch of different scandals that make nixon look like a choirboy

what makes ya think college is the golden bullet of intelligence? legislation was pending to make any disagreement with israel anti-semetic.....its all laughable.....

[Clay Dreslough]

Originally posted by kingmob
what makes ya think college is the golden bullet of intelligence?

College isn't the golden bullet of intelligence -- Baseball Mogul is. :)

Actually, I wasn't making a comment about intelligence. There is just a correlation between college education, being female, living in a city on either coast, and wanting Bush out of office.

Clay

[kingmob]

lol clay ....new advertising slogan for bbmo should be "play bbmo and get smart"

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
i voted yes because at least we know what the bush agenda is.....john (kohn) kerry is a fabian socialist who will be worse than bush.....besides the whole administration is on the verge of impeachment from a bunch of different scandals that make nixon look like a choirboy

what makes ya think college is the golden bullet of intelligence? legislation was pending to make any disagreement with israel anti-semetic.....its all laughable.....

Fabian socialist, King, anyone with any common sense would know that socialized medicine would be GOOD for business, as business would no longer have to pay for that as a benefit for employees.

I think John Kerry is the lesser of the two evils, I'd much rather have John Edwards. Bush is merging defnse of the country with profit-taking of corporations.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Clay Dreslough
College isn't the golden bullet of intelligence -- Baseball Mogul is. :)

Actually, I wasn't making a comment about intelligence. There is just a correlation between college education, being female, living in a city on either coast, and wanting Bush out of office.

Clay

Or having a basic understanding of the conjugation of verbs.

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"-- George W. Bush

That was when he was pushing for No Child Left Behind to get passed, but he never really funded the bill.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Fabian socialist, King, anyone with any common sense would know that socialized medicine would be GOOD for business, as business would no longer have to pay for that as a benefit for employees.

I think John Kerry is the lesser of the two evils, I'd much rather have John Edwards. Bush is merging defnse of the country with profit-taking of corporations.

why vote for the lesser of 2 evils when both are evil.....thats stupid......john edwards is a globalist who just recently got his marching orders at the bilberburg meeting in europe.....vote liberterian

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
why vote for the lesser of 2 evils when both are evil.....thats stupid......john edwards is a globalist who just recently got his marching orders at the bilberburg meeting in europe.....vote liberterian

Yeah, if I vote libertarian then I can honestly say my policy towards the less fortunate, and elderly is "Its not my problem, they can deal with it." Thats the same attitude the world had about the holocaust before WWII.

[RESnider]

The quicker Bush is back in Texas the better things will be.

[williethebasset]

Oh good, a floridian, are you planning on voting?:D

[Michaelg]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Oh good, a floridian, are you planning on voting?:D
Doesn't matter. His vote won't count anyway:D

[kingmob]

Originally posted by RESnider
The quicker Bush is back in Texas the better things will be.

heil no send him back to his real lair in maine.....he aint no texan and we dont want him

[williethebasset]

I dont want to be vacationing and get run over by a drunk ex-president.:D Kennebunkport is for the rich, in maine I go to Ogunquit in the summer, and Bethel in the winter for snowboarding. I dont think bush can snowboard, although people get drunk up there and party in their condos. Maybe he'll run me over on the slope.:D

[boomboom]

if Al Gore won the presendency back in 2000....well he did.....the world would be different. We would have never gone into Iraq. Because there was no reason to go there in the first place.

We couldnt avoid 9-11-01, but Bush went crazy with all the power he got. He went to war without the congress declaring war. Bush shouldnt have the power to do so, and congress gave it to him... we have 3 branches in the government, and congress now plays a lesser role, which is bull-cra!p

[kingmob]

Originally posted by boomboom
if Al Gore won the presendency back in 2000....well he did.....the world would be different. We would have never gone into Iraq. Because there was no reason to go there in the first place.

We couldnt avoid 9-11-01, but Bush went crazy with all the power he got. He went to war without the congress declaring war. Bush shouldnt have the power to do so, and congress gave it to him... we have 3 branches in the government, and congress now plays a lesser role, which is bull-cra!p

we couldve avoided 911 because the govt. story of what happened is the conspiracy theory.....the bush cabal engineered 911 to take our liberties and engage in never ending war against al-CIAda.....this govt. founded and funded al-queda.....
www.letsroll911.org

[Doug1972]

i voted yes because at least we know what the bush agenda is.....john (kohn) kerry is a fabian socialist who will be worse than bush.....

Well you must be one of the people who lives in the other america (who already has it all). Beside if you watched the DNC tonight, then you heard Kerry tell you his agenda.

Yea Bush's agenda is to lie to the american people, just to finish a job that his daddy could not do. Make sure all the rich people get taken care of & make america even more hated to the people who wanna hurt us.

"Bring it on"

Saying that just makes america even more of a target.

@ least with Kerry/Edward we can get america back on track, somethings this adminstration has no clue on how to do.

Besides its a fact that the D's get it done for the people & the R's get it done for themselfs. Plus if you look back thru history there is never any war & the encomy is awesome with the D's & vise versa with the R's.

I can't wait for January when we have President Kerry in office. A real president voted by the people not by the Republican Surpreme Court.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Doug1972
Well you must be one of the people who lives in the other america (who already has it all). Beside if you watched the DNC tonight, then you heard Kerry tell you his agenda.

Yea Bush's agenda is to lie to the american people, just to finish a job that his daddy could not do. Make sure all the rich people get taken care of & make america even more hated to the people who wanna hurt us.

"Bring it on"

Saying that just makes america even more of a target.

@ least with Kerry/Edward we can get america back on track, somethings this adminstration has no clue on how to do.

Besides its a fact that the D's get it done for the people & the R's get it done for themselfs. Plus if you look back thru history there is never any war & the encomy is awesome with the D's & vise versa with the R's.

I can't wait for January when we have President Kerry in office. A real president voted by the people not by the Republican Surpreme Court.

LOL....kerry is a skull n bones and a distant cousin of bush.....dont be fooled ....what does kerry have in common with the real people of this country?...answer is nothing ....he's a billionaire elitist.....his agenda will be enriching the 1% elite.....granted in a kerry administration i dont think there will be the wholesale looting going on right now with the bush cabal....we will be at war during a kerry presidency just like the current one.....hope ya like socialism cuz thats what we will get under kerry and his cronies......its not like he's against the whip of tyranny being rained on americans......he just wants to wield it....it will be same song different bonesman.....this election is like voting for hitler or stalin.....makes me sick

[eldridge726]

few things to point out from other people's post's

Socialized health care is not beneficial for bussiness' for the following reasons.

1. Decreases incentive. Most people who work do it for health care! If you had socialized health care for people, what incentive would they have to go out and get a job at a company that has health care.

2. Research and develpement cost billions of dollars. That is the main reason these drugs cost so much. So if we start giving out free health care to every person in the United States, how are these companies suppose to make their money back. The reason why health care cost so much is because we are finding cures and medicine for diseases we once thought was impossible to cure.

3. Socialization and government programs create less incentive. Let's face it, the United States has the best doctors and hospitals in the world. You know why? Because we are able to have private companies. Go to Canada and their great governemtn run health care program. You have to wait 10 hours to get your broken leg fixed, pay more taxes, and get doctors who graducated from 4 years of med school, but hey, it's free! With private companies, you have more competetion. Anyone who knows anything knows that Privitization is the best solution possible when dealing with practically anything.

Also, about the whole Iraqi thing. At the time, we had CIA, British intel, and Russian Intel telling us that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now I know this may be hard to believe now, but Bush and many members of Congress thought the same way as well. There is no secret agenda of Bush saying "I've gotta f*up Iraq and Saddam b/c my dad couldn't get him." or "I need big corporations to win again and get more money." The real reason was intelligence said Iraq had WMD's at the time, and this President took that as a threat to our country and instead of waiting around for another 9/11 to happen (or even worse), he made a plan to invade Iraq, and was over-whelmingly voted YES (including Ker-dawg.)

The funny thing is, people like to bash us about our world status and whatnot. Well there are over 40 countries helping us in Iraq. The only 'real' countries that aren't helping us is France, Germany and Russia. Yeah, France is the same country that sold Saddam a nuclear reactor in the 80s, which was thankfully blown up by our Israili buddies before any devastating action could happen. And not to mention, France's poplulation of muslim's is around 30-40%. So what reason would they have to go to war? And as for Russia & Germany, I bet you guys didn't know that over 250 companies between the two have made billions from the oil for food program and repeatedly gave Saddam millions upon millions during this time as and extra bonus if Saddam gave them more oil. Not to mention that Vlad Putiin has said that he can't account for all of the Soviet's nukes and had mentioned that Saddam might try to acquire them. So these 3 countries have not helped us because they have ties.

(not to mention Saddam violated 17 UN sanctions after the war in Iraq, kicked out weapons inspectors, killed millions of his own people (we are still diggin up mass graves), and funded terrorist groups like Hamas and others.)

So if that's why you are voting against Bush b/c of the war in Iraq, I say check your facts first behind the war.

And as for D's getting things done for the people, give me a break. Democrats promised universal health care under the Clinton administration....Did he get it done? NO. The one thing Clinton did do was the Welfare Reform act which has got more people off Welfare and actually working. The reason why the economy did so well in the 90s was b/c Clinton was riding the wave of Reganomics. I'm an economist minor, and my teachers have shoved this down my throat. B/c Regan gave tax breaks (rich people pay a **** of a lot more taxes than the average Joe does) to rich people, we were able to creat new jobs in the 90s. But as for the D's getting things done, give me a break b/c the D's haven't done one thing to help this country in a long time.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by eldridge726
I say check your facts first behind the war.

the D's haven't done one thing to help this country in a long time.

Bulls***. You need to check YOUR facts because what you just said is some of the biggest **** I have ever heard in my entire life. You, my friend, are a prime example of the reason America is in such a bad shape.

[eldridge726]

instead of insulting me, tell me why. give me proof that my facts are wrong. have you read the 9/11 report yet? have you read bob woodward's book? do you read the BBC?

and as for me being the prime example as why America is in bad shape, i'd ask why again. i go to college, i have a part time job, i volunteer for local baseball games. i don't do drugs or contribute to terrorism, so what's the problem. instead of insulting, give me facts and lets debate.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by eldridge726
few things to point out from other people's post's

Socialized health care is not beneficial for bussiness' for the following reasons.

1. Decreases incentive. Most people who work do it for health care! If you had socialized health care for people, what incentive would they have to go out and get a job at a company that has health care.

2. Research and develpement cost billions of dollars. That is the main reason these drugs cost so much. So if we start giving out free health care to every person in the United States, how are these companies suppose to make their money back. The reason why health care cost so much is because we are finding cures and medicine for diseases we once thought was impossible to cure.

3. Socialization and government programs create less incentive. Let's face it, the United States has the best doctors and hospitals in the world. You know why? Because we are able to have private companies. Go to Canada and their great governemtn run health care program. You have to wait 10 hours to get your broken leg fixed, pay more taxes, and get doctors who graducated from 4 years of med school, but hey, it's free! With private companies, you have more competetion. Anyone who knows anything knows that Privitization is the best solution possible when dealing with practically anything.

Also, about the whole Iraqi thing. At the time, we had CIA, British intel, and Russian Intel telling us that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now I know this may be hard to believe now, but Bush and many members of Congress thought the same way as well. There is no secret agenda of Bush saying "I've gotta f*up Iraq and Saddam b/c my dad couldn't get him." or "I need big corporations to win again and get more money." The real reason was intelligence said Iraq had WMD's at the time, and this President took that as a threat to our country and instead of waiting around for another 9/11 to happen (or even worse), he made a plan to invade Iraq, and was over-whelmingly voted YES (including Ker-dawg.)

The funny thing is, people like to bash us about our world status and whatnot. Well there are over 40 countries helping us in Iraq. The only 'real' countries that aren't helping us is France, Germany and Russia. Yeah, France is the same country that sold Saddam a nuclear reactor in the 80s, which was thankfully blown up by our Israili buddies before any devastating action could happen. And not to mention, France's poplulation of muslim's is around 30-40%. So what reason would they have to go to war? And as for Russia & Germany, I bet you guys didn't know that over 250 companies between the two have made billions from the oil for food program and repeatedly gave Saddam millions upon millions during this time as and extra bonus if Saddam gave them more oil. Not to mention that Vlad Putiin has said that he can't account for all of the Soviet's nukes and had mentioned that Saddam might try to acquire them. So these 3 countries have not helped us because they have ties.

(not to mention Saddam violated 17 UN sanctions after the war in Iraq, kicked out weapons inspectors, killed millions of his own people (we are still diggin up mass graves), and funded terrorist groups like Hamas and others.)

So if that's why you are voting against Bush b/c of the war in Iraq, I say check your facts first behind the war.

And as for D's getting things done for the people, give me a break. Democrats promised universal health care under the Clinton administration....Did he get it done? NO. The one thing Clinton did do was the Welfare Reform act which has got more people off Welfare and actually working. The reason why the economy did so well in the 90s was b/c Clinton was riding the wave of Reganomics. I'm an economist minor, and my teachers have shoved this down my throat. B/c Regan gave tax breaks (rich people pay a **** of a lot more taxes than the average Joe does) to rich people, we were able to creat new jobs in the 90s. But as for the D's getting things done, give me a break b/c the D's haven't done one thing to help this country in a long time.

1. ask canadians how much they loooove there health care system
2.most of big pharm is putting out drugs with nasty side effects and tons of mind altering pysch drugs that there giving to the kiddies to control them(ritalin, prozac, etal)......also they are going after herbalists and homeopathic health care providers......with a small herb garden and a few books on herbs you can cure most of what ails ya
3.privatization and free market arent the same thing ....free market is where everyone has a chance to sell there wares.....privatization is where the govt. gives a no bid contract to there monopolistic buddies in all the major industry


our govt. engineered 911....al-queda was created and funded by this govt.....everything that has happened because of 911 is a fraud

the coalition of the killing in iraq consists of the mighty armies of el slavador......nepal.........and the fascist italians.....and brainwashed brits.....did you ever see that picture of don rumsfeld in 1983 shaking hands with saddam after selling him chemical weapons?...the reason they didnt find any was because they all had "made in the usa" stamped on them

how many un violations does the zionist state of israel have? way more than that......if you want to see what the israelis are doing in occupied palestine....watch a movie called "death in gaza" i saw it on hbo last night.....it ripped my heart out to see what the devil dogs in israel are doing......sides our good buddies the zionists attacked us before in 1967....they attacked and almost sunk a nsa ran navy ship....killed over 100 americans.....and then lbj covered it up , so as not to embarras our buddies the israelis

[Steiny]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I'd much rather have John Edwards.

As a North Carolinian who lives less than 2 miles from his house, I say you can have him!

[Clay Dreslough]

Wow. 20 to 7.

So we're basically arguing between the two opposing viewpoints:

A. "Bush sucks. Kerry sucks too."

B. "Bush sucks. Kerry doesn't suck so much."

At least there are a few things we can agree on. Hehe.

I'm glad Kingmob spelled out his theories on health care, but I don't think health care is the primary motivator for employment in the U.S.

Even without "socialized" health care, the fact is that most Americans have access to health care through a family member or through Medicare or Medicaid. And the crappy jobs that we really need to motivate people for are exactly the jobs that DON'T come with health care (fast food, Wal-Mart, etc.)

Moreover, the U.S. government ALREADY spends more money per person on health care than any other country in the world.

That's right. You can read that again if you want because I didn't believe it the first time I added up the numbers (I got this info from The Economist if you're interested). We DON'T have National Health Care and yet we spend MORE tax dollars per person than EVERY country that DOES have national health care. Between Medicare, Medicaid and the special interests (primarily the drug companies, but also "non-profit" hospitals and the AMA) our health care system is vastly more expensive than any other system out there.

Anyway, you didn't need to dangle health insurance in front of me to get me to go work at Midway making videogames for a living. In fact, Midway didn't pay for my health insurance so I had to pay for it myself, and it was MORE expensive than the insurance I got when I was self-employed.

So, I'm writing a check every month for more than $600.00 so that my family can have health care and I'm ALSO contributing more tax dollars to the public health system than the average Brit or Frog -- and they get free health care. The system's broken -- I know Bush won't fix it, and I doubt Kerry will (although I think Howard Dean would have given it a try).

I think most economists would agree that it's innovation that drives an economy, not the jobs that use health care as an incentive (primarily upper-middle class jobs at large companies). Give me free health care and I could probably devote my entire working life to Sports Mogul, ideally growing the company to the point where it creates jobs. Without it, I have to jump back and forth to "real jobs" when the money runs out.

Clay

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Steiny
As a North Carolinian who lives less than 2 miles from his house, I say you can have him!

no way....... why would we want the globalists new little wind-up puppet

wash times article(mainstream) (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040606-103603-4126r.htm)

not so mainstream article (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=117&contentid=1372&page=2)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Clay Dreslough
Wow. 20 to 7.

So we're basically arguing between the two opposing viewpoints:

A. "Bush sucks. Kerry sucks too."

B. "Bush sucks. Kerry doesn't suck so much."

At least there are a few things we can agree on. Hehe.

I'm glad Kingmob spelled out his theories on health care, but I don't think health care is the primary motivator for employment in the U.S.

Even without "socialized" health care, the fact is that most Americans have access to health care through a family member or through Medicare or Medicaid. And the crappy jobs that we really need to motivate people for are exactly the jobs that DON'T come with health care (fast food, Wal-Mart, etc.)

Moreover, the U.S. government ALREADY spends more money per person on health care than any other country in the world.

That's right. You can read that again if you want because I didn't believe it the first time I added up the numbers (I got this info from The Economist if you're interested). We DON'T have National Health Care and yet we spend MORE tax dollars per person than EVERY country that DOES have national health care. Between Medicare, Medicaid and the special interests (primarily the drug companies, but also "non-profit" hospitals and the AMA) our health care system is vastly more expensive than any other system out there.

Anyway, you didn't need to dangle health insurance in front of me to get me to go work at Midway making videogames for a living. In fact, Midway didn't pay for my health insurance so I had to pay for it myself, and it was MORE expensive than the insurance I got when I was self-employed.

So, I'm writing a check every month for more than $600.00 so that my family can have health care and I'm ALSO contributing more tax dollars to the public health system than the average Brit or Frog -- and they get free health care. The system's broken -- I know Bush won't fix it, and I doubt Kerry will (although I think Howard Dean would have given it a try).

I think most economists would agree that it's innovation that drives an economy, not the jobs that use health care as an incentive (primarily upper-middle class jobs at large companies). Give me free health care and I could probably devote my entire working life to Sports Mogul, ideally growing the company to the point where it creates jobs. Without it, I have to jump back and forth to "real jobs" when the money runs out.

Clay

hi clay welcome to the debate...
well bush and kerry are basically the same....they share exact views on all stances ....both are pro-war, anti 2nd admendment, globalist puppets.......heres my wild predication for the election......whatever blackmail dirt the globalists have on kerry will come out and edwards would be pushed out front as prez and sliding into the #2 position at VP will be LORD Rockefeller.....senator j. rockefeller from WV...who is really john rockefeller the 3rd or 4th

i think y'all need to face the facts that we are for all intents and purposes we are a socialist state........we as the citizens of america are drugged up and down, vacinated with all kinds of chemicals and poisons, spyed on relentlessly,(notice all those cameras going up everywhere?microphones too)...we have no elections anymore because of the electronic voting machines....as any computer coder knows ...those things can be rigged anyway ya want......taxed to death to pay for social services for illegal mexican immigrants(i live in texas...theres a border war happening)......a vote for kerry is voting the same old false paradigm and expected a different result.....not gonna happen....not like we have elections anyway....its all a big globalist ran dog and pony show

your right clay...in a true free market economy anyone with a good idea or innovation cant compete becuase of the slave economy ran in china....how can anyone manufacture a product in the us.....hire americans at a fair wage? and compete with slave labor...answer is ya cant!
china is the illuminatti model of how the world govt. will run....thats why it is very important to stop the global crime cabal from taking complete control.....

the thing with wal-mart is they come into a community ...drive all the mom and pops(toys-r-us) out of business.....the local city govt. grants them tax breaks and the federal govt. pays for all of wal-marts employees medical care....cuz there too poor to pay for it...its basically a pay what ya can system.....then they wrap themselves in china made american flags and imports 90% of the goods they sell from thier slave factories in china.....they are redistributing the wealth of the middle class in america to the brand spanking new middle class of china(mid-level managers)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Clay Dreslough


Even without "socialized" health care, the fact is that most Americans have access to health care through a family member or through Medicare or Medicaid. And the crappy jobs that we really need to motivate people for are exactly the jobs that DON'T come with health care (fast food, Wal-Mart, etc.)


So, I'm writing a check every month for more than $600.00 so that my family can have health care and I'm ALSO contributing more tax dollars to the public health system than the average Brit or Frog -- and they get free health care. The system's broken -- I know Bush won't fix it, and I doubt Kerry will (although I think Howard Dean would have given it a try).

Clay

My mom pays $450 a month for her healthcare through her work. I'm covered under my dads plan, but his health insurance has gone up $200 over the last 2 years.

He just took a job with a non-profit health data management as the COO. He's going to be dealing with all the big players of medicine in all of New England. That includes all the health programs, private companies, pharmaices, hospitals and doctors.

45 Million americans still dont have healthcare.

[williethebasset]

King, you can get stuff that renders a mic's recording feature static.


I've acutally been thinking about protesting at a local Wal Mart. Or just going to the store and trying to barter with the clerk about the price "Hmm, some Chinese kid made this for 5 cents an hour, and the shipping isnt too expensive, so I'll give you $2 for it." Then I'd make a scene about made in China, slave labor etc.

Ever heard of Reverand Billy?

http://revbilly.com/index.php

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King, you can get stuff that renders a mic's recording feature static.


I've acutally been thinking about protesting at a local Wal Mart. Or just going to the store and trying to barter with the clerk about the price "Hmm, some Chinese kid made this for 5 cents an hour, and the shipping isnt too expensive, so I'll give you $2 for it." Then I'd make a scene about made in China, slave labor etc.

Ever heard of Reverand Billy?

http://revbilly.com/index.php

funk that a 12 gauge will render into static quicker.......i wish i was in nyc this week.....we have a global radio network here in austin that broadcasts on radio free austin ......they all went to ny for the convention and are broadcasting from the convention floor.....should be interesting
www.rbnlive.com
you can listen to the internet feed from 2pm-6pm central
www.infowars.com
alex jones will be there too ....internet feed at his website 11-2pm central ...rebroadcast 9-12

alex is right on the mark he predicted 911 on his access tv show ....he's a cool guy...ive met him and talked to him in person....heres a link to his show where he predicted 911
alex jones access show on july 25th 2001 (http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2004/082604alexwarned.htm)

[williethebasset]

That prediction is like the one that was made the day after regan was shot. Where some fortune tellers "told" his fortune and tried to pass it of as part of the original broadcast.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
That prediction is like the one that was made the day after regan was shot. Where some fortune tellers "told" his fortune and tried to pass it of as part of the original broadcast.

whatever.....alex called it...he said the govt. was going to use terrorism to further there agenda.....he said they would use there patsy bin-laden to attack ny......and thats what happened

[williethebasset]

Well, regardless, I'm sure that there are plenty of predictions he has made that have ben turned out to be wrong.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Well, regardless, I'm sure that there are plenty of predictions he has made that have ben turned out to be wrong.

not really....he predicted 5-6 yrs. ago that rfid tags would be everywhere.....watch his police state videos where he shows the military doing urban warfare training of taking over cities....thats happened.....he talked about vacines containing mercury and cancer viruses...thats true.....he snuck into bohemian grove and exposed the christian conservatives doing occult worship.....have you listened too his show or seen his videos?

[Deke]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I think baseball mogul would have more college grads, seeing as they are more educated and educated people tend to vote liberal. (Its a proven fact that the highest 11 of 12 average IQ states vote for liberals, the dumbest 12 all voted for bush)

LOL. I beg you pardon. Im very well educated and have never voted liberal. I dont buy that 'liberals are generally more intelligent people' argument for a second. It is true that educated individuals involved in education, i.e. teachers, generally tend to vote more liberal, which is seen all the time at nearly every university in this country. However, there are many professions that require very advanced education that tend to sway Republican as well.

[Deke]

Originally posted by Clay Dreslough
College isn't the golden bullet of intelligence -- Baseball Mogul is. :)

Actually, I wasn't making a comment about intelligence. There is just a correlation between college education, being female, living in a city on either coast, and wanting Bush out of office.

Clay

I could argue against most of those, with the exception of the coastal idea. Of the top 5 cities in America, 3 of them are notoriously liberal (Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles), however, number 4 and 5 are Houston and Phoenix which largely vote Republican. In fact, 5 of the top 10 could be called Republican cities. Geography does play a huge role though. It is undeniably true that the NE and NW vote Democratic while the south votes Republican. Ive also heard a statistic that suggests women are split down the middle as well when it comes to politics.

[Deke]

Originally posted by boomboom
if Al Gore won the presendency back in 2000....well he did.....the world would be different. We would have never gone into Iraq. Because there was no reason to go there in the first place.

We couldnt avoid 9-11-01, but Bush went crazy with all the power he got. He went to war without the congress declaring war. Bush shouldnt have the power to do so, and congress gave it to him... we have 3 branches in the government, and congress now plays a lesser role, which is bull-cra!p

Do you truly believe that? Can you explain to me why we shouldnt have gone? I love to hear liberals try to explain that one away. It usually goes like this.... uhhhh, ummmm, uhhhhh, ummmm......

[Deke]

Originally posted by Doug1972
Well you must be one of the people who lives in the other america (who already has it all). Beside if you watched the DNC tonight, then you heard Kerry tell you his agenda.

Yea Bush's agenda is to lie to the american people, just to finish a job that his daddy could not do. Make sure all the rich people get taken care of & make america even more hated to the people who wanna hurt us.

"Bring it on"

Saying that just makes america even more of a target.

@ least with Kerry/Edward we can get america back on track, somethings this adminstration has no clue on how to do.

Besides its a fact that the D's get it done for the people & the R's get it done for themselfs. Plus if you look back thru history there is never any war & the encomy is awesome with the D's & vise versa with the R's.

I can't wait for January when we have President Kerry in office. A real president voted by the people not by the Republican Surpreme Court.

The Republican Supreme Court!? LOL! Lets actually count how many true Republicans are on the Supreme Court, and how many are liberal shall we? Last I checked we had a system in this country that determined a president, and its been around for oh, over 200 years. A president has never been chosen by a popular vote. Get over it. If you dont like what happened in 2000, then go try and change the election policies our forefathers put in place.... good luck. Several recounts have been done that STILL place Bush as the winner in Florida. I dont get why this is still an issue.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
LOL....kerry is a skull n bones and a distant cousin of bush.....dont be fooled ....what does kerry have in common with the real people of this country?...answer is nothing ....he's a billionaire elitist.....his agenda will be enriching the 1% elite.....granted in a kerry administration i dont think there will be the wholesale looting going on right now with the bush cabal....we will be at war during a kerry presidency just like the current one.....hope ya like socialism cuz thats what we will get under kerry and his cronies......its not like he's against the whip of tyranny being rained on americans......he just wants to wield it....it will be same song different bonesman.....this election is like voting for hitler or stalin.....makes me sick

And your libertarian candidate isnt an elitist millionaire as well? I somehow doubt that. Ive read his bio, and though they dont say it, Im sure the guy is pretty well off.

[Deke]

Originally posted by eldridge726
few things to point out from other people's post's

Socialized health care is not beneficial for bussiness' for the following reasons.

1. Decreases incentive. Most people who work do it for health care! If you had socialized health care for people, what incentive would they have to go out and get a job at a company that has health care.

2. Research and develpement cost billions of dollars. That is the main reason these drugs cost so much. So if we start giving out free health care to every person in the United States, how are these companies suppose to make their money back. The reason why health care cost so much is because we are finding cures and medicine for diseases we once thought was impossible to cure.

3. Socialization and government programs create less incentive. Let's face it, the United States has the best doctors and hospitals in the world. You know why? Because we are able to have private companies. Go to Canada and their great governemtn run health care program. You have to wait 10 hours to get your broken leg fixed, pay more taxes, and get doctors who graducated from 4 years of med school, but hey, it's free! With private companies, you have more competetion. Anyone who knows anything knows that Privitization is the best solution possible when dealing with practically anything.

Also, about the whole Iraqi thing. At the time, we had CIA, British intel, and Russian Intel telling us that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now I know this may be hard to believe now, but Bush and many members of Congress thought the same way as well. There is no secret agenda of Bush saying "I've gotta f*up Iraq and Saddam b/c my dad couldn't get him." or "I need big corporations to win again and get more money." The real reason was intelligence said Iraq had WMD's at the time, and this President took that as a threat to our country and instead of waiting around for another 9/11 to happen (or even worse), he made a plan to invade Iraq, and was over-whelmingly voted YES (including Ker-dawg.)

The funny thing is, people like to bash us about our world status and whatnot. Well there are over 40 countries helping us in Iraq. The only 'real' countries that aren't helping us is France, Germany and Russia. Yeah, France is the same country that sold Saddam a nuclear reactor in the 80s, which was thankfully blown up by our Israili buddies before any devastating action could happen. And not to mention, France's poplulation of muslim's is around 30-40%. So what reason would they have to go to war? And as for Russia & Germany, I bet you guys didn't know that over 250 companies between the two have made billions from the oil for food program and repeatedly gave Saddam millions upon millions during this time as and extra bonus if Saddam gave them more oil. Not to mention that Vlad Putiin has said that he can't account for all of the Soviet's nukes and had mentioned that Saddam might try to acquire them. So these 3 countries have not helped us because they have ties.

(not to mention Saddam violated 17 UN sanctions after the war in Iraq, kicked out weapons inspectors, killed millions of his own people (we are still diggin up mass graves), and funded terrorist groups like Hamas and others.)

So if that's why you are voting against Bush b/c of the war in Iraq, I say check your facts first behind the war.

And as for D's getting things done for the people, give me a break. Democrats promised universal health care under the Clinton administration....Did he get it done? NO. The one thing Clinton did do was the Welfare Reform act which has got more people off Welfare and actually working. The reason why the economy did so well in the 90s was b/c Clinton was riding the wave of Reganomics. I'm an economist minor, and my teachers have shoved this down my throat. B/c Regan gave tax breaks (rich people pay a **** of a lot more taxes than the average Joe does) to rich people, we were able to creat new jobs in the 90s. But as for the D's getting things done, give me a break b/c the D's haven't done one thing to help this country in a long time.

Dems really have a hard time grasping the Iraq thing. Personally I dont even think they believe it, they just use it as a tool to beat Bush. Theyre still sooo bitter about 2000, that they will pull up anything they can to discredit Bush. Even Clinton himself said Iraq had WMD. I still believe they did. Saddam is no idiot, and if you knew you were going to get attacked and lose what would you do? Youd do everything in your power to try and embarass the country attacking you, AND arm those who might use them against your enemy. Those weapons went to Syria if you ask me. Prove me wrong. You can argue with me all day on this one, but the fact still remains, the WHOLE WORLD thought he had WMD when Bush decided we needed to invade. Enough said.

Three cheers for you Eldridge, solid post.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
hi clay welcome to the debate...
well bush and kerry are basically the same....they share exact views on all stances ....both are pro-war, anti 2nd admendment, globalist puppets.......heres my wild predication for the election......whatever blackmail dirt the globalists have on kerry will come out and edwards would be pushed out front as prez and sliding into the #2 position at VP will be LORD Rockefeller.....senator j. rockefeller from WV...who is really john rockefeller the 3rd or 4th

i think y'all need to face the facts that we are for all intents and purposes we are a socialist state........we as the citizens of america are drugged up and down, vacinated with all kinds of chemicals and poisons, spyed on relentlessly,(notice all those cameras going up everywhere?microphones too)...we have no elections anymore because of the electronic voting machines....as any computer coder knows ...those things can be rigged anyway ya want......taxed to death to pay for social services for illegal mexican immigrants(i live in texas...theres a border war happening)......a vote for kerry is voting the same old false paradigm and expected a different result.....not gonna happen....not like we have elections anyway....its all a big globalist ran dog and pony show

your right clay...in a true free market economy anyone with a good idea or innovation cant compete becuase of the slave economy ran in china....how can anyone manufacture a product in the us.....hire americans at a fair wage? and compete with slave labor...answer is ya cant!
china is the illuminatti model of how the world govt. will run....thats why it is very important to stop the global crime cabal from taking complete control.....

the thing with wal-mart is they come into a community ...drive all the mom and pops(toys-r-us) out of business.....the local city govt. grants them tax breaks and the federal govt. pays for all of wal-marts employees medical care....cuz there too poor to pay for it...its basically a pay what ya can system.....then they wrap themselves in china made american flags and imports 90% of the goods they sell from thier slave factories in china.....they are redistributing the wealth of the middle class in america to the brand spanking new middle class of china(mid-level managers)

A socialist state? Wow, do you know what Socialism really is? Sorry my friend, but we are NO WHERE close to being socialist, though the Dems would like to take us there, especially Kerry's clan. Mob you are awesome man, fun to debate with and Ive really enjoyed reading your stuff when I can, but you honestly sound like you want a society with no laws, no direction, and no morals. Honestly, if you were President Kingmob, how would YOU handle things? Id especially like to hear what you would have done about 9/11. And please leave the conspiracy theories out. Just imagine you were pres, and tell me how you would have handled 9/11. Id like to hear your stump speech, what would your plan for America be?

[Deke]

Ok guys, Ive read most all of this thread, and responded where and when I could. Let the Deke flaming begin. :) Dont take anything I say personally, because honestly I do value EVERYONE's opinion even it it isnt my own. Thats the beauty of America. Ill try to respond when I can (Im getting really busy with classes just starting this past week, so it might take me a while sometimes). By the way, Im not at all surprised by the 23 to 9 split in this poll. I feel grossly outnumbered at ASU every day when politics comes up. :)

[amunoz2001]

I tend to stay away from these discussions but I will say one thing, Anobody But Bush (ABB).

He is a proven liar, too many of our soldiers have died for a war that should have never happened (based on the reasons for war) and according to Bush our mission was accomplished in Iraq (remember the aircraft carrier thing) on April of 2003. Then why are we still at war? Usually when you say mission accomplished that means the war should be in a downfall and our soldiers will start coming home. Why are we still sending more troops over there? Why did he even say mission accomplished? Saddam wasnt captured until late 2003. For that reason ABB!

Dan, as you know I am from Florida. I grew up in West Palm Beach (the heart of the voting scandal in 2000). From what I have read in the local papers and national papers, they tell me that Gore won Florida based on the recounts. Why didnt we count them? Why did Katherine Harris (former Sec of State in Florida) rush to certify the results in December 2000 when the recount was still on going? Why were they rushing if the American public chooses who becomes our Commander in Chief, not the SUpreme Court? Again, ABB!!

As most of you know the military usually votes Republican because they support the military more then the Democrats, which BS. From talking to people, that is no longer the norm. Our soldiers have paid attention to what's going on and for once, they wont vote based on that assumption.

Only thing that will save Bush in this election is Osama. I just get a feeling that in mid-October he is going to be captured. That is the only way, IMO, that Bush wins. Too many people in this country are aware of what is going on and they will vote accordingly.

I will end it at this, if you vote for Bush then I hope you're making the right decisions. I know we all think differently and some things are more important then others. Please when you vote, know why you're voting for that person. Dont just vote because that person is affiliated with a party, or that person has a cool last name or whatever. Do your homework and vote. Thanks!

-Ariel

[Catabowl]

Bush weill get reelected because of two things...

1) They will 'find Osama' either 2 weeks b4 election or week b4 it.

2) He needs to win 2 of 3 states... Florida, Michigan, and Ohio...

He might get all 3 with the capture of Osama... which I believe they have him already somewhere...

AND GUESS WHAT... Jeb Bush will run in 2008... and he'll win Florida easily.. which means only needs Michigan or Ohio...

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
I could argue against most of those, with the exception of the coastal idea. Of the top 5 cities in America, 3 of them are notoriously liberal (Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles), however, number 4 and 5 are Houston and Phoenix which largely vote Republican. In fact, 5 of the top 10 could be called Republican cities. Geography does play a huge role though. It is undeniably true that the NE and NW vote Democratic while the south votes Republican. Ive also heard a statistic that suggests women are split down the middle as well when it comes to politics.


what do those 3 cities have in common? gun control LA, chicago, and new york have high high crime and low gun ownership.....houston and phoenix are loaded for bear in contrast......when are you guys going to figure out the whole left-right paradigm is a false one meant to divide and conquer....its all a huge dog and pony show

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
And your libertarian candidate isnt an elitist millionaire as well? I somehow doubt that. Ive read his bio, and though they dont say it, Im sure the guy is pretty well off.

michael badnarik?i dunno how much money he has.....point is that the election means nothing......my libertarian vote is a protest vote against the machine......the machine is broke and needs to be raged against.......the true power we have is local elections(unless ya got electronic voting) we can effect great changes on the local level

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Dems really have a hard time grasping the Iraq thing. Personally I dont even think they believe it, they just use it as a tool to beat Bush. Theyre still sooo bitter about 2000, that they will pull up anything they can to discredit Bush. Even Clinton himself said Iraq had WMD. I still believe they did. Saddam is no idiot, and if you knew you were going to get attacked and lose what would you do? Youd do everything in your power to try and embarass the country attacking you, AND arm those who might use them against your enemy. Those weapons went to Syria if you ask me. Prove me wrong. You can argue with me all day on this one, but the fact still remains, the WHOLE WORLD thought he had WMD when Bush decided we needed to invade. Enough said.

Three cheers for you Eldridge, solid post.

you mean the the wmd that rumsfeld sold to addam in 1983? if they found any they had to hide em becuase they all said "made in usa".....we should now invade syria under the evil false pretexts that we used on iraq?...what about israel they have over 200 nukes ...i think they should be invaded for having "real" wmd

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
A socialist state? Wow, do you know what Socialism really is? Sorry my friend, but we are NO WHERE close to being socialist, though the Dems would like to take us there, especially Kerry's clan. Mob you are awesome man, fun to debate with and Ive really enjoyed reading your stuff when I can, but you honestly sound like you want a society with no laws, no direction, and no morals. Honestly, if you were President Kingmob, how would YOU handle things? Id especially like to hear what you would have done about 9/11. And please leave the conspiracy theories out. Just imagine you were pres, and tell me how you would have handled 9/11. Id like to hear your stump speech, what would your plan for America be?

sure we are a socialist state ....we have generations of people on welfare....we have un agenda 21 that is slapping enviremental restrictions of peoples private property....anyone can get medicaid and health care whether they can afford it or not.....read the planks of the communist manifesto and we adhere to all of it......our schools are socialized

i dont think we should have no laws, direction or morality....i think we need to quit calling this country a democracy and call it what it really is a constitutional republic....i dont believe we should be forced to get a license to drive, hunt, fish, marry, have a job......more than half of all jobs require you to get a license which is used for control

the very first thing i would do as prez Mob would be to abolish the federal reserve system and get back to constituitonal money which is gold and silver coin......i would abolish the cia so they dont pull off any more terrorism to control americans
seen the new zobgy poll?
half of new yorkers believe our govt was complicit in 911 (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855)

i would slap tarrifs on imports to force industry back to america....i would forcibly remove all UN staff and send them home.....i would blow up the un building and dump it in the ocean.....i would rescind nafta, gatt, and would end all discussion of the ftaa....i would pull us out of the wto....i would abolish the cfr(sets policy in this country)

Deke you make some good points but i dont think you get the whole picture.....there is a world order ran by the world elite that wants to rule the world and enslave us.....there using the old roman paradigm of bread and circus to keep americans asleep....we fat, decadent, dumbed down, highly entertained slaves and if we dont have a mass awakening to the global agenda we are cooked....but if we fight the globalists cant win....have you ever heard of operation northwoods? it was a plan the joint chiefs of staff came up with to create terrorism and blame cuba for it to justify a war with cuba in 1962.....it was red-lighted all the up to jfk and when jfk saw it he was appalled and immideately fired the head of JCS.....he then was going to abolish the cia but we all know what happened when jfk tried to do the right thing
northwoods (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Ok guys, Ive read most all of this thread, and responded where and when I could. Let the Deke flaming begin. :) Dont take anything I say personally, because honestly I do value EVERYONE's opinion even it it isnt my own. Thats the beauty of America. Ill try to respond when I can (Im getting really busy with classes just starting this past week, so it might take me a while sometimes). By the way, Im not at all surprised by the 23 to 9 split in this poll. I feel grossly outnumbered at ASU every day when politics comes up. :)

naw we wont flame ya.....at least you have a point ...i get sick and tired of talking politics to yuppy morons when im out and about who dont know who the vice president is or where iraq is and then they wanna tell you there opinion on politics....like there lexus whorshipping brains know anything but the propaganda they parrot from cable news

[kingmob]

hey guys check out this video
american dictators (http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2004/082804dictatorspreview.htm)

[Deke]

Originally posted by amunoz2001
I tend to stay away from these discussions but I will say one thing, Anobody But Bush (ABB).

He is a proven liar, too many of our soldiers have died for a war that should have never happened (based on the reasons for war) and according to Bush our mission was accomplished in Iraq (remember the aircraft carrier thing) on April of 2003. Then why are we still at war? Usually when you say mission accomplished that means the war should be in a downfall and our soldiers will start coming home. Why are we still sending more troops over there? Why did he even say mission accomplished? Saddam wasnt captured until late 2003. For that reason ABB!

Dan, as you know I am from Florida. I grew up in West Palm Beach (the heart of the voting scandal in 2000). From what I have read in the local papers and national papers, they tell me that Gore won Florida based on the recounts. Why didnt we count them? Why did Katherine Harris (former Sec of State in Florida) rush to certify the results in December 2000 when the recount was still on going? Why were they rushing if the American public chooses who becomes our Commander in Chief, not the SUpreme Court? Again, ABB!!

As most of you know the military usually votes Republican because they support the military more then the Democrats, which BS. From talking to people, that is no longer the norm. Our soldiers have paid attention to what's going on and for once, they wont vote based on that assumption.

Only thing that will save Bush in this election is Osama. I just get a feeling that in mid-October he is going to be captured. That is the only way, IMO, that Bush wins. Too many people in this country are aware of what is going on and they will vote accordingly.

I will end it at this, if you vote for Bush then I hope you're making the right decisions. I know we all think differently and some things are more important then others. Please when you vote, know why you're voting for that person. Dont just vote because that person is affiliated with a party, or that person has a cool last name or whatever. Do your homework and vote. Thanks!

-Ariel

Man, Im pissed. I actually wrote a big long reply to this, and apparently I forgot to hit submit reply. I previewed the post thinking that it was already sent, then logged off. Owell, Ill try to respond later to this message Ariel.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
what do those 3 cities have in common? gun control LA, chicago, and new york have high high crime and low gun ownership.....houston and phoenix are loaded for bear in contrast......when are you guys going to figure out the whole left-right paradigm is a false one meant to divide and conquer....its all a huge dog and pony show

Low gun ownership in N.Y.? Tell that to all the people getting mugged in Central Park. ;) Actually, I personally am not a big gun guy, and while I do support a person's right to own a gun, I generally tend to agree with the gun policies put forth by liberals. As long as they arent extreme, I can handle it. I just dont see the need for someone to own an assault rifle. I also believe proven criminals shouldnt be allowed to own guns. Im all for our rights for all citizens, but a proven criminal, to me, abandons his rights when he breaks the law repeatedly. What is your opinion on this?

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
michael badnarik?i dunno how much money he has.....point is that the election means nothing......my libertarian vote is a protest vote against the machine......the machine is broke and needs to be raged against.......the true power we have is local elections(unless ya got electronic voting) we can effect great changes on the local level

I love 3rd party candidates and even though Badnarik wont win, the more people that vote for him and Nader will help legitimize 3rd party candidates in future elections. In my opinion two parties in the country is not enough. People should be voting for a candidate, not a party, and unfortunetly in our current system thats all but impossible.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
you mean the the wmd that rumsfeld sold to addam in 1983? if they found any they had to hide em becuase they all said "made in usa".....we should now invade syria under the evil false pretexts that we used on iraq?...what about israel they have over 200 nukes ...i think they should be invaded for having "real" wmd

Youll have no argument from me on Israel. I still dont understand the longstanding American policy of supporting a nation that continues to flame up fighting in the middle east. And this isnt a Bush policy, its an American policy thats been around for over 50 years. If we stopped supporting Israel, we might never have been attacked in the first place. Fact is though, we were attacked and we have to defend ourselves.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
sure we are a socialist state ....we have generations of people on welfare....we have un agenda 21 that is slapping enviremental restrictions of peoples private property....anyone can get medicaid and health care whether they can afford it or not.....read the planks of the communist manifesto and we adhere to all of it......our schools are socialized

i dont think we should have no laws, direction or morality....i think we need to quit calling this country a democracy and call it what it really is a constitutional republic....i dont believe we should be forced to get a license to drive, hunt, fish, marry, have a job......more than half of all jobs require you to get a license which is used for control

the very first thing i would do as prez Mob would be to abolish the federal reserve system and get back to constituitonal money which is gold and silver coin......i would abolish the cia so they dont pull off any more terrorism to control americans
seen the new zobgy poll?
half of new yorkers believe our govt was complicit in 911 (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855)

i would slap tarrifs on imports to force industry back to america....i would forcibly remove all UN staff and send them home.....i would blow up the un building and dump it in the ocean.....i would rescind nafta, gatt, and would end all discussion of the ftaa....i would pull us out of the wto....i would abolish the cfr(sets policy in this country)

Deke you make some good points but i dont think you get the whole picture.....there is a world order ran by the world elite that wants to rule the world and enslave us.....there using the old roman paradigm of bread and circus to keep americans asleep....we fat, decadent, dumbed down, highly entertained slaves and if we dont have a mass awakening to the global agenda we are cooked....but if we fight the globalists cant win....have you ever heard of operation northwoods? it was a plan the joint chiefs of staff came up with to create terrorism and blame cuba for it to justify a war with cuba in 1962.....it was red-lighted all the up to jfk and when jfk saw it he was appalled and immideately fired the head of JCS.....he then was going to abolish the cia but we all know what happened when jfk tried to do the right thing
northwoods (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html)

Youd basically force us to become an isolationist nation. The economy would crash, wed be back to riding horses to where we wanted to go, anarchy would take over, and wed have the wild wild west all over. We cant completely eliminate all trade, or wed be stuck back in the stone age. Wed wipe out all of our nations resources, and be forced to beg at the feet of now stronger nations. China would most likely rule the Earth, because wed have no intelligence agency to counter foreign intelligence agencies, and spies would run rampant in our nation leading to our inevitable invasion, thus turning us into communists. I think some of your ideas are valid, and I dont like being forced to do anything as well, but there needs to be a delicate balance there wouldnt you think? Laws are important for maintaining a society instead of having chaos. There are very good reason behind thing like driver's licenses for example. While not all the laws we currently have are completely necessary, overall we need the ones we have. I totally agree that our system is far from perfect. But we need to find ways to tinker with it to make it better, not completely scrap everything weve done over the last 200 years and start over. Know what Im saying?

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
naw we wont flame ya.....at least you have a point ...i get sick and tired of talking politics to yuppy morons when im out and about who dont know who the vice president is or where iraq is and then they wanna tell you there opinion on politics....like there lexus whorshipping brains know anything but the propaganda they parrot from cable news

I couldnt agree more. People need to use their brains, instead of sticking their nose in the sheep's *** in front of them as they stand in line being herded by our nation's news outlets. You definetly use your brain, and I respect that.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Low gun ownership in N.Y.? Tell that to all the people getting mugged in Central Park. ;) Actually, I personally am not a big gun guy, and while I do support a person's right to own a gun, I generally tend to agree with the gun policies put forth by liberals. As long as they arent extreme, I can handle it. I just dont see the need for someone to own an assault rifle. I also believe proven criminals shouldnt be allowed to own guns. Im all for our rights for all citizens, but a proven criminal, to me, abandons his rights when he breaks the law repeatedly. What is your opinion on this?

criminals always have guns.....thats why when the good law abiding citizens are disarmed they are preyed upon like a herd of gazelle being taken out by a pride of lions.....predators always prey on the young, old, and infirm.....its law of nature.....

switzerland has never been invaded and it isnt becuase of there army.....they have none.....what they do have is a standing militia of all able bodied men 18-40.......they are all armed with fully auto assalt rifles and rpg's, explosives, grenades and any other ordinance deemed wother of pessessing.....who would want to invade a country with a huge population of heavily armed militia......iraq is basically using this tactic against the usa....urban warfare
2nd admendment gives us the god given right to protect ourselves from all enemies foreign and domestic....period....
armed law abiding citizens shouldnt be feared....guns dont kill people.....people kill people......a gun is a machined hunk of metal.....thats all......i think that we should have a national vermont style law that everyone that is law abiding can carry concelaed handguns.....guns make for a polite society and a safer one

back in old days when guys got out of prison and payed there debt to society they got there pistol and rifle back

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
I couldnt agree more. People need to use their brains, instead of sticking their nose in the sheep's *** in front of them as they stand in line being herded by our nation's news outlets. You definetly use your brain, and I respect that.

i appreciate that....not enough people are thinking for themselves and it is a huge problem ....we are in an infowar for all intents and purposes.....if someone is just mindlessly protesting for ABB then they are nothing more than an easily manipulated mob....cuz everyone knows that the MOB rulez......what needs to happen is to educate the mindless mob out of there sickening sheeplike trance

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Youd basically force us to become an isolationist nation. The economy would crash, wed be back to riding horses to where we wanted to go, anarchy would take over, and wed have the wild wild west all over. We cant completely eliminate all trade, or wed be stuck back in the stone age. Wed wipe out all of our nations resources, and be forced to beg at the feet of now stronger nations. China would most likely rule the Earth, because wed have no intelligence agency to counter foreign intelligence agencies, and spies would run rampant in our nation leading to our inevitable invasion, thus turning us into communists. I think some of your ideas are valid, and I dont like being forced to do anything as well, but there needs to be a delicate balance there wouldnt you think? Laws are important for maintaining a society instead of having chaos. There are very good reason behind thing like driver's licenses for example. While not all the laws we currently have are completely necessary, overall we need the ones we have. I totally agree that our system is far from perfect. But we need to find ways to tinker with it to make it better, not completely scrap everything weve done over the last 200 years and start over. Know what Im saying?

thats not what i said and meant....what i mean is that we have to rid ourselves of treaties and doctrines that are detrimenital to our country....what these treaties are in a sense is neo-fascism with a few elite ran corporations running everything....its the military, industrial, intelligence triad of power running everything via monopolistic levers......these treaties do nothing to promote free enterprise or anything of value to our economy.....the best govt. is a govt. that governs the least.....the whole system is corrupted and it needs to be torn down a bit and tweaked.....we need to rid ourselves of the dept. homeland security, dept. of education, irs, cia, dea, tia, batf, and the rest of em....

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
criminals always have guns.....thats why when the good law abiding citizens are disarmed they are preyed upon like a herd of gazelle being taken out by a pride of lions.....predators always prey on the young, old, and infirm.....its law of nature.....

switzerland has never been invaded and it isnt becuase of there army.....they have none.....what they do have is a standing militia of all able bodied men 18-40.......they are all armed with fully auto assalt rifles and rpg's, explosives, grenades and any other ordinance deemed wother of pessessing.....who would want to invade a country with a huge population of heavily armed militia......iraq is basically using this tactic against the usa....urban warfare
2nd admendment gives us the god given right to protect ourselves from all enemies foreign and domestic....period....
armed law abiding citizens shouldnt be feared....guns dont kill people.....people kill people......a gun is a machined hunk of metal.....thats all......i think that we should have a national vermont style law that everyone that is law abiding can carry concelaed handguns.....guns make for a polite society and a safer one

back in old days when guys got out of prison and payed there debt to society they got there pistol and rifle back

Agreed. Especially the part about law abiding citizens carrying concealed weapons. The problem probably isnt that guns need to be taken off the streets, its that ILLEGAL guns need to be removed. You sound like a candidate for the Constitutionalist party. Seriously, check their platform, I think youd agree with a lot, if not most of it.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
thats not what i said and meant....what i mean is that we have to rid ourselves of treaties and doctrines that are detrimenital to our country....what these treaties are in a sense is neo-fascism with a few elite ran corporations running everything....its the military, industrial, intelligence triad of power running everything via monopolistic levers......these treaties do nothing to promote free enterprise or anything of value to our economy.....the best govt. is a govt. that governs the least.....the whole system is corrupted and it needs to be torn down a bit and tweaked.....we need to rid ourselves of the dept. homeland security, dept. of education, irs, cia, dea, tia, batf, and the rest of em....

Then how do we prevent being attacked and absorbed into a world dominated by Communism or radical fundamentalism?

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
sure we are a socialist state ....we have generations of people on welfare....we have un agenda 21 that is slapping enviremental restrictions of peoples private property....anyone can get medicaid and health care whether they can afford it or not.....read the planks of the communist manifesto and we adhere to all of it......our schools are socialized

i dont think we should have no laws, direction or morality....i think we need to quit calling this country a democracy and call it what it really is a constitutional republic....i dont believe we should be forced to get a license to drive, hunt, fish, marry, have a job......more than half of all jobs require you to get a license which is used for control

the very first thing i would do as prez Mob would be to abolish the federal reserve system and get back to constituitonal money which is gold and silver coin......i would abolish the cia so they dont pull off any more terrorism to control americans
seen the new zobgy poll?
half of new yorkers believe our govt was complicit in 911 (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855)

i would slap tarrifs on imports to force industry back to america....i would forcibly remove all UN staff and send them home.....i would blow up the un building and dump it in the ocean.....i would rescind nafta, gatt, and would end all discussion of the ftaa....i would pull us out of the wto....i would abolish the cfr(sets policy in this country)

Deke you make some good points but i dont think you get the whole picture.....there is a world order ran by the world elite that wants to rule the world and enslave us.....there using the old roman paradigm of bread and circus to keep americans asleep....we fat, decadent, dumbed down, highly entertained slaves and if we dont have a mass awakening to the global agenda we are cooked....but if we fight the globalists cant win....have you ever heard of operation northwoods? it was a plan the joint chiefs of staff came up with to create terrorism and blame cuba for it to justify a war with cuba in 1962.....it was red-lighted all the up to jfk and when jfk saw it he was appalled and immideately fired the head of JCS.....he then was going to abolish the cia but we all know what happened when jfk tried to do the right thing
northwoods (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html)

Back to Socialism. Though some of the points you make about our nation being Socialist in nature seem to fit, you forget several key points. Capitalism for one, something that is like a nasty 4 letter word in true socialism. A socialist society runs all industry and everyone works for the common good so that all are equal. No sense of purpose to your life other than to give back to the mother land. No sense of accomplishment, no value in working hard, no dreams or goals being reached, just mindless duty. Thats hardly the way the U.S. is set up. Though Socialism has some neat ideas in theory, human nature would never allow it. People want meaning to their lives, not to be forced to be a mindless worker bee. Our country thrives on personal achievement and the ability to govern our own lives and what direction it will go in (for the most part).

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Then how do we prevent being attacked and absorbed into a world dominated by Communism or radical fundamentalism?

liberty requires eternal viligance.....the first thing we need to do is kill the ftaa....its a carbon copy of the EU except it will encompass the entire of north and south america(minus cuba)

it wont fly i think because they didnt use the europeon model of gradalism....they tryin to ram this ftaa down our throats piecemeal

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Back to Socialism. Though some of the points you make about our nation being Socialist in nature seem to fit, you forget several key points. Capitalism for one, something that is like a nasty 4 letter word in true socialism. A socialist society runs all industry and everyone works for the common good so that all are equal. No sense of purpose to your life other than to give back to the mother land. No sense of accomplishment, no value in working hard, no dreams or goals being reached, just mindless duty. Thats hardly the way the U.S. is set up. Though Socialism has some neat ideas in theory, human nature would never allow it. People want meaning to their lives, not to be forced to be a mindless worker bee. Our country thrives on personal achievement and the ability to govern our own lives and what direction it will go in (for the most part).

we are mindless worker bees.....look at the people on ritalin, prozac, soma and all the rest.......we dont have true free market capitalism... we have cronyistic fascism with a few companies running everything ......basically the monopolies and the govt. are one and the same....walk down any street usa any night and all you will see from windows is the blue glare of the idiot box.....5-6 million children are handicapped or born with birth defects from the vacines and diet of aspartame and msg.....we are fat, lazy and an unhealthy country.....no one owns there property cuz there all in debt up to there eyeballs....its all a big joke.....and it isnt funny.....this country is in dire straits

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Agreed. Especially the part about law abiding citizens carrying concealed weapons. The problem probably isnt that guns need to be taken off the streets, its that ILLEGAL guns need to be removed. You sound like a candidate for the Constitutionalist party. Seriously, check their platform, I think youd agree with a lot, if not most of it.

naw because a gun is a gun is a gun....whats the difference between a single shot shotgun and a fully auto ak-47....they will both kill you....law abiding citizens shouldnt be restricted in the guns they wanna own...if they are law abiding then there is no worries.....criminals are well armed and we should be too

[williethebasset]

I agree with you 100% about guns king. Any weapon short of an RPG should be legal. However, violent felons should not be allowed to own guns.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
we are mindless worker bees.....look at the people on ritalin, prozac, soma and all the rest.......we dont have true free market capitalism... we have cronyistic fascism with a few companies running everything ......basically the monopolies and the govt. are one and the same....walk down any street usa any night and all you will see from windows is the blue glare of the idiot box.....5-6 million children are handicapped or born with birth defects from the vacines and diet of aspartame and msg.....we are fat, lazy and an unhealthy country.....no one owns there property cuz there all in debt up to there eyeballs....its all a big joke.....and it isnt funny.....this country is in dire straits

100% agreement. I swear TV has subliminal messages in it. I just cant seem to turn it off when I know that reading is more interesting.

I dont take medicine anymore, I learned how to cope with not paying attention: Tap a foot on the cround.

I havent figured out how to go without contacts yet. So I'll keep tossing them down the sink every night. (I wear daily use contacts)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I agree with you 100% about guns king. Any weapon short of an RPG should be legal. However, violent felons should not be allowed to own guns.

why would a criminal follow a gun law....only law abiding people do that

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
100% agreement. I swear TV has subliminal messages in it. I just cant seem to turn it off when I know that reading is more interesting.

I dont take medicine anymore, I learned how to cope with not paying attention: Tap a foot on the cround.

I havent figured out how to go without contacts yet. So I'll keep tossing them down the sink every night. (I wear daily use contacts)

yeah tv is the biggest mind control device ever invented

good

u can wear those longer than a day ....your wasting money but not reusing them

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
u can wear those longer than a day ....your wasting money but not reusing them

No, these are not the same consistency as the ones that are to be worn for 2 weeks. They are not as thick and much softer.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
naw because a gun is a gun is a gun....whats the difference between a single shot shotgun and a fully auto ak-47....they will both kill you....law abiding citizens shouldnt be restricted in the guns they wanna own...if they are law abiding then there is no worries.....criminals are well armed and we should be too

The difference is that one type of gun can hurt one person, yet the other can wipe out a whole squad of policeman. A .22 isnt going to take down a group of protected and prepared officers, while a fully automatic weapon with all the bells and whistles probably could. Someone protecting themselves with a fully automatic ak-47 might also take down innocents nearby. Its just an unnecessary overkill if you ask me.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
The difference is that one type of gun can hurt one person, yet the other can wipe out a whole squad of policeman. A .22 isnt going to take down a group of protected and prepared officers, while a fully automatic weapon with all the bells and whistles probably could. Someone protecting themselves with a fully automatic ak-47 might also take down innocents nearby. Its just an unnecessary overkill if you ask me.

in swizterland they all have fully automatic weapons and a low low crime rate....a gun is a gun....period
whatever man down here in texas we got para-military mexican groups and rank and file criminals that are very heavily armed coming over and causing mayham along the wide open border.....rent red dawn again

[kingmob]

heres some gun grabbing hypocrisy
kerry the gun grabber (http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm)

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
in swizterland they all have fully automatic weapons and a low low crime rate....a gun is a gun....period
whatever man down here in texas we got para-military mexican groups and rank and file criminals that are very heavily armed coming over and causing mayham along the wide open border.....rent red dawn again

LOL, Red Dawn. I havent seen that in ages.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
heres some gun grabbing hypocrisy
kerry the gun grabber (http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm)

LOL, you read Drudge yet your not voting for Bush? I thought only conservatives read stuff on his site.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
LOL, you read Drudge yet your not voting for Bush? I thought only conservatives read stuff on his site.

i get my ammunition in the information war from all sources

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
LOL, Red Dawn. I havent seen that in ages.

thats one of my favorite movies....WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!

[kingmob]

this is scary
mayor daly confiscating legal guns (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904confiscationguns.htm)


i guess germany is still fascist (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40332)

[Steiny]

Originally posted by kingmob
i get my ammunition in the information war from all sources

and often... he gets blanks. :D

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Steiny
and often... he gets blanks. :D

nawwww i usually find magnum rounds everywhere

[kingmob]

hey i just found a link for streaming audio from radio free austin(local pirate station) check it out
http://stream.phaseiii.org/rfaustin.pls

[senshuken]

willie the best I am a junior in college and i do not believe college grads are any smarter and that is why they vote fo kerry. college kids are rammed over and over by proffesors liberal views. Almost all proffessors are liberal because well they are in it for the money or want more money to go to education.

I know plenty of friends who graduate college and get very poor paying jobs. LOL i know this kid who is a total liberal has a 4 year degree from suny new paltz in ny and works at a hess gas station.

I think the guy who becomes a plummer and makes 40+ hour is a **** of alot smarter then alot of college grads who get out and never make even close to that. Plus the plummer never spent any money on school. That is a very narrow minded view for a liberal saying all the labor workers are dumb.

Oh an yeah all the non college grads usually have shitty jobs and are poor and oh thats right almost all of them are Democrats because they are poor! Why should any middle class guy like my dad who did not go to school but works extremely hard to make his money have to pay a ton of taxes so it could be handed out to lazy non college grads who sit on there but.

[kingmob]

good points.....also whats happening now is that colleges are offering degrees in things like homeland security....basicaly this is a built in lobbying tool of professionals in tyranny.....these people are being trained to take our freedoms away....its institutionalized tyranny......also a way of legitimizing these unneeded federal buereucratz<sp>

[senshuken]

You call that taking our freedom away?? You would think alot different if your mom died in 9/11 or in a future event like it. I would rather be safe then sorry and if your not doing anything wrong then there should be no prob.

[senshuken]

as you know i am rep., but i agree all politics is crupt. but that is just human nature and there is no way around it. obviously america is the best system out there so its the less evils. You can't live in a country were it is totall free there has tpo be rules because if there were none people would kill eah other and the stong would rob and beat up the weak. there has to be rules.

[senshuken]

another point again is learn from history! Iraq has a golden oportunity alls they have to do is follow japan. Everyone says japanese people are so smart. well yes and ni. they are smart but only becaus aftrer wwII we told japan they could not have an army but if anyone were to attack them we would fully defend them. Now all that money japan would have spent going into there military is used for education and health care. Think if we had the strongest country in the world always having our backs we would be the smartest people on the planet. we would put billions into education.

We are the superpower in the world and we got there by fighting for it. 1776 we got our freedom, war of 1812 fight again to kepp our freedom, civil war kept our country together, WWI we did it because it was the right thing to do and we helped out other countries whho were the good guys, WWII we were brutuly attacked and tested. We defended ourselves and stood up too it;. We then came out as one of the 3 strongest countries in the world. we then fought off communism in the cold war, and the korean war. We are the worlds super power and ontop it is not easy to stay there. we learned from our mistake in vietnam. Mistgake was not the war but not dedicating fully to it. We put a certain number of troops and would send more just to fill in the ones that were killed, If we just put everythingino it we would have one fairly quick and saved lives, we learned this and now did that in iraq.

[senshuken]

So far i have no talked politics, but lets talk them,

the firstg gulf war the whole country was in agree we were doing the right thing. we defeated them and as the remaining army of iraq was retreating(not surrendering) back to bagdad on the main road our helicopters were nailing the **** out of them. We could have totally took them out then and removed saddam. But that was showed on tv the beating we were giving them and all the liberals in america cried out it was wrong. Then congress who was majority democrate made bush end the war leaving saddam in power. we had him and weren't going to loose anymore lives, why not take him out it would have all been over??????????

Its like some trying to kill you with a gun and you take the gun from them and then do nothing and turn to walk away. you think that guy is just going to turn into an angel and leave you alone. no! you turn your back and he pulls out a knife and tries to stab you. now i wasn't saying when you got the gun you should k,ill him but you should search him and tie him up so you got control of him and throw his *** in jail. that should have happenned in iraq we should have occupied them and no today intead of this war they would have a goverment and be just about ready to be on there own.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
You call that taking our freedom away?? You would think alot different if your mom died in 9/11 or in a future event like it. I would rather be safe then sorry and if your not doing anything wrong then there should be no prob.

the govt. did 911.....its pure hitleresque power grab.....hitler burned the reichstag and blamed his enemies then seized complete dictatorial power...proclaiming himself Fuhrer(father in german)
bush is doing the same thing......and NO kerry and the demorats arent going to save you....since kerry is bush's skull-n-bones cousin.....its all a big game .....it would be like george steinbrenner owning the yankees and the red sox and having a fake rivalry......bush and kerry have the same globalist controllers

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
as you know i am rep., but i agree all politics is crupt. but that is just human nature and there is no way around it. obviously america is the best system out there so its the less evils. You can't live in a country were it is totall free there has tpo be rules because if there were none people would kill eah other and the stong would rob and beat up the weak. there has to be rules.

there are rules ....its called the constitution and the bill of rights.....have you ever read it?.......these elite politicians are into the occult ....they like to cavort in coffins and burn humans in effigy to a 40 foot stone owl they call moloch at bohemian grove, Calleeefornia....... this election is like voting for stalin or hitler.....there both dictators......

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
another point again is learn from history! Iraq has a golden oportunity alls they have to do is follow japan. Everyone says japanese people are so smart. well yes and ni. they are smart but only becaus aftrer wwII we told japan they could not have an army but if anyone were to attack them we would fully defend them. Now all that money japan would have spent going into there military is used for education and health care. Think if we had the strongest country in the world always having our backs we would be the smartest people on the planet. we would put billions into education.

We are the superpower in the world and we got there by fighting for it. 1776 we got our freedom, war of 1812 fight again to kepp our freedom, civil war kept our country together, WWI we did it because it was the right thing to do and we helped out other countries whho were the good guys, WWII we were brutuly attacked and tested. We defended ourselves and stood up too it;. We then came out as one of the 3 strongest countries in the world. we then fought off communism in the cold war, and the korean war. We are the worlds super power and ontop it is not easy to stay there. we learned from our mistake in vietnam. Mistgake was not the war but not dedicating fully to it. We put a certain number of troops and would send more just to fill in the ones that were killed, If we just put everythingino it we would have one fairly quick and saved lives, we learned this and now did that in iraq.

we nuked japan....thats why they groveled in fear and quickly decided to be our ally

i hate to burst your bubble but all those wars in the 20th century you rattled off were all engineered and scripted......with the goal being to bring the world into a new world order of global govt. ran by the occultic global elite whose stated goals are to kill off 80-90% of the world population and to then socially engineer a servant class with the remaining population to serve there globalist masters......the same companies profiting in iraq were the same companies profiting in vietnam......this is never ending war 1984 style.....

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
So far i have no talked politics, but lets talk them,

the firstg gulf war the whole country was in agree we were doing the right thing. we defeated them and as the remaining army of iraq was retreating(not surrendering) back to bagdad on the main road our helicopters were nailing the **** out of them. We could have totally took them out then and removed saddam. But that was showed on tv the beating we were giving them and all the liberals in america cried out it was wrong. Then congress who was majority democrate made bush end the war leaving saddam in power. we had him and weren't going to loose anymore lives, why not take him out it would have all been over??????????

Its like some trying to kill you with a gun and you take the gun from them and then do nothing and turn to walk away. you think that guy is just going to turn into an angel and leave you alone. no! you turn your back and he pulls out a knife and tries to stab you. now i wasn't saying when you got the gun you should k,ill him but you should search him and tie him up so you got control of him and throw his *** in jail. that should have happenned in iraq we should have occupied them and no today intead of this war they would have a goverment and be just about ready to be on there own.

ok first off saddam was put into power by his cia handlers....he was our guy there in the 60's assassinating the communists trying to seize power......we armed and supported him in his decade long war with iran.....a war of attrition meant to weaken both countries......saddam told april gillespie our ambassador his plan to invade kuwait who were drilling sideways under the ground stealing iraq's oil and she gave him the nod and wink.......the kuwaiti ambassadors daughter got up in front of congress and lied about the iraqi troops throwing babies on the floor to steal the incubators.......the gulf war resolution passed by 4 votes with many in congress citing this propaganda......

the real menace in the middle east is israel with 400+ nukes.....this war in iraq was planned back in 1998

[senshuken]

kingmob i can't even have a debate with you. You are all about conspiracies and totally out there. You said all the wars were scripted. lol get a freakin life. You said the govt did 911. your such and ***

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
kingmob i can't even have a debate with you. You are all about conspiracies and totally out there. You said all the wars were scripted. lol get a freakin life. You said the govt did 911. your such and ***

instead of just being an ignorant parrot why dont you go do some research.....this govt. funded and created al-cia-ada......its a fact......

[Catabowl]

Dude... you watch X-Files too much... Do you think everything is a conspiracy??? Dam dude...

Just listen to what you type...

Your comment about companies gaining money after each war... lets see... to go to war you need tanks... so the company that helps supply the production of tanks will automatically see an increase in profit...

and I am too lazy to sit here and type MORE EXAMPLES b/c it would take about an hour...

You are an idiot... You have to be a communist or someone who hates America... And if you live in America... well that is just sad... Go live in Syria or Tajikistan for a week and see if you don't wanna get your STUPID @$$ back in America... it's people like you who endanger this country by taking it for granted...

Get your act together B I T C H...

And if you want a conspiracy... B I T C H stands for this:

Boycott
Idiots
Talking
(in)
****
(of)
Home (which is America)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Catabowl
Dude... you watch X-Files too much... Do you think everything is a conspiracy??? Dam dude...

Just listen to what you type...

Your comment about companies gaining money after each war... lets see... to go to war you need tanks... so the company that helps supply the production of tanks will automatically see an increase in profit...

and I am too lazy to sit here and type MORE EXAMPLES b/c it would take about an hour...

You are an idiot... You have to be a communist or someone who hates America... And if you live in America... well that is just sad... Go live in Syria or Tajikistan for a week and see if you don't wanna get your STUPID @$$ back in America... it's people like you who endanger this country by taking it for granted...

Get your act together B I T C H...

And if you want a conspiracy... B I T C H stands for this:

Boycott
Idiots
Talking
(in)
****
(of)
Home (which is America)

ok so our govt. leaders lie us into a war and its ok if the military industrial complex is making huge profits.....ever heard of the caryle group? bush senior and lotsa ex-presidents around the world and even the binladen family are share holders
carlyls way (http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terrorism/doc4763.html)

look this war is perfect hagelian dialectic scenerio where we create the problem ...get the reaction we want ...then offer the solution.....read what pnac has to say....heres there website...its a neo-con think tank....they discuss plans for war....the iraq war was planned back in 98 for gods sakes....

project for a new american century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/)

ever here of operation northwoods where the govt. planned to commit acts of terrorism....killing americans to blame cuba in 1962...jfk killed the plan.....it was greenlighted all the way to his office
operation northwoods (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html)

have you heard of all the war games planned on 911 where norad was practicing flying planes into buildings....thats how norad stood down on 911
norad wargames (http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/160066.php)

[senshuken]

do some research? it is clear i am far more educated then you! i counter every point you have with a more logical one and i am ripping you a new ******* in all of our debates.

Now for you comment on funding al qiuda. lol your such a dumbass! yeah we funded them and supplied them with weapons SO THEY COULD DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE USSR INVADING THEM. now they turned around and use it against us. that just proves what kind of back stabbers they are we basically save there country and there freakin lives and now they attack our civilians. ****ers would be dead without us.

Oh kingmob bet you a french **** huh?

[senshuken]

so according to your theory, Bin laden is really on americas side. he and his buddies were showed how to lauunch planes into our buildings and they agreed to be hunted down and killed afterwards by special forces? this makes sense for america because well it hurts our economy and kills innocent people. and it makes sense for bin ladin because well his goal is to serve america even if the duty ask of him is to be hunted down and killed?

THAT MAKES SO MUCH ****IN SENSE YOU DUMB *******. COME BACK TO REALTY YOU DIPSHIT.
YOUR DUMBER THEN A WOOD PECKER ON AN ALUMINUM TELEPHONE POLE! I only wish we could get you and all the other dumbass people like you together and ****ing kick your asses out of our country. If you really believe this and feel so sure about it then get the **** out. go to ****ing siberia or anywhere for that matter. I am embarresd to say you are from my counrty.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by senshuken


Oh kingmob bet you a french **** huh?

And you are a stupid New Yorker. You are a complete idiot.

[senshuken]

I see i have you understanding some of my points or you haven't thought up anymore make believe stuff because now alls you can do is call me an idiot. The only thing you would be good at is working with micheal moore and giving him a handjob while he is filming.

[Scorey1974]

Senshuken...

I have to tell you buddy....I can see plainly from your use of grammar and punctuation that you are a severely under-educated young man....Instead of wasting your time here trying to debate with the "big-boys" you should spend more time in school studying...I'm not saying this to insult you...It is just a plain fact pal...You are a typical result of our own government run education system...I guess we can't expect much from you can we?

[williethebasset]

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. IF THERE WAS A LIBERAL LIKE YOU I'D BE SAYING THE SAME THING

[williethebasset]

That was intended towards senshuken, not you, Scorey.

[williethebasset]

guys,

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60464

please do not respond to him for reasons stated in the post

[Catabowl]

This is some funny ****. Not only did Kingmob make an idiot of himself by providing links to the war sites... shensokue... whatever... is the next type of American that hurts our country... SOMEONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING...

Now back to mob...

Dude... So let me ask you something... Did we ask Japan to attack Pearl Harbor? Did we ask Hitler to invade France? Did we ask the British to attack us in 1776? Did we ask them to attack us in 1812? Did we ask the Soviets to move in the Cold War and send missles to Cuba to bomb us?

What you are saying is that every MODERN war is a conspiracy... Let me guess... Bin Laden attacked the Trade Centers in the early 90s and then we asked him to do it again b/c he failed... IF WE DID... WHY WAIT 10 YEARS??? YOU IDIOT...

How about the first Iraq war? Did we ask Saddam to invade Kuwait and then we went in there just to get kicked out by Congress and other people?

Your theories have no backing... your links show nothing but opinions... NO HARD FACTS... Some of the quotes are real but they do not support your 'theories'

Just be quiet and go back to your nintendo power message boards.

[Scorey1974]

Interesting bit of info on GWB...

George W. Bush has stated he'd prefer to be a dictator at least three times, according to BuzzFlash.com:

"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.(Governing Magazine 7/98)
-- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"

"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.
-- CNN.com, December 18, 2000

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.
-- Business Week, July 30, 2001

Hmmmmmmm......What's he trying to say?

Did you know that under the Patriot act....If we are attacked again such of the supposed 9/11 terrorist attack...GWB can suspend the election indefinitely and remain in power....

[Hash1]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Senshuken...

I have to tell you buddy....I can see plainly from your use of grammar and punctuation that you are a severely under-educated young man

Agreed.

[Hash1]

Originally posted by senshuken

I think the guy who becomes a plummer and makes 40+ hour is a **** of alot smarter then alot of college grads who get out and never make even close to that. Plus the plummer never spent any money on school. That is a very narrow minded view for a liberal saying all the labor workers are dumb.



Yeah and the guy also has to clean up sh it all day lol. Labor workers are not dumb at all. You can still make a good living off it if you dont mind cleaning up sh it or being a construction worker etc.

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
naw because a gun is a gun is a gun....whats the difference between a single shot shotgun and a fully auto ak-47....they will both kill you....law abiding citizens shouldnt be restricted in the guns they wanna own...if they are law abiding then there is no worries.....criminals are well armed and we should be too

There is no need for anyone to have that powerful of a gun. You dont need an ak to go hunting or to protect yourself. Criminals will most likely get the guns that they want but still we shouldnt make it any easier for them. I am very pissed that the NRA will not be banned for another ten years. America already has so much crime so why make it any worse!!!! Noone needs anything more than a pistol in there house and if they have one they need to lock it up in a safe place!!! One of my friends got shot in the head and died when i was younger because they found there parents gun and were playing around with it. Another kid i knew killed this guy with a shotgun over some stupid stuff.

[Scorey1974]

I would have to say I'm not sure on this one....I mean you probably have to draw the line somewhere....I wouldn't say anyone would have a need for say...a bazooka...lol....or something like that...to be honest I don't really know a whole lot about guns...Never used them and really don't care to have one...but we should have the right to have them....When you start banning things like guns where do you draw the line?....Knives can be used to kill just the same as a gun can...Where are the anti-knife laws???....To carry it even further....I could probably kill someone with a pencil....but for obvious reasons we can't ban pencils....:D ....Some people can even kill you with their bare hands....What do we do with these guys...? :p

I would just say we have to give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves to be unresponsible to carry a weapon....It's very dangerous territory to disarm a whole nation....It opens a world of opportunity for the government if the average Joe can't defend himself against the powers that be...

An AK 47....I'm not even sure what one is...so I can't offer a reasonable opinion here....maybe I should read up a little...but I do agree with the reasoning that a gun is a gun is a gun....but then again...what if say...I wanted to keep an array of hand grenades in my arsenal?...Would I be allowed?...You know just in case someone breaks in and I want to make sure it doesn't happen again...;) ....Or maybe I live alone and don't want anyone on my property so I plant a few land mines in the yard...You know just in case someone comes along with bad intentions...Would that be so wrong...?....Just thoughts to ponder...:D

[kingmob]

the asault weapons ban sunsets tomorrow....it was a bill passed 10 yrs. ago that banned a bunch of semi-auto(have to pull the trigger each time a round is fired) basically a high powered deer rifle has more power than these rifles they banned.....they look like military assault rifles is all.....it is a proven fact that as soon as the govt. bans guns that genocide follows afterwards.....stalin and mao and hitler were all gun grabbers.....point is a law abiding citizen should have the right to protect themselves and there family.....
gun ban expires (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/090904assaultweapon.htm)

mayor daly there in chicago is an out of control gun grabber
gun confiscation in illinois (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904confiscationguns.htm)

[Hash1]

A pistol can protect themselves and there family. You dont need an ak47 to do that.

[williethebasset]

King,

There was no genocide in 1994 or 1995 in the united states.

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
the asault weapons ban sunsets tomorrow....it was a bill passed 10 yrs. ago that banned a bunch of semi-auto(have to pull the trigger each time a round is fired) basically a high powered deer rifle has more power than these rifles they banned.....they look like military assault rifles is all.....it is a proven fact that as soon as the govt. bans guns that genocide follows afterwards.....stalin and mao and hitler were all gun grabbers.....point is a law abiding citizen should have the right to protect themselves and there family.....
gun ban expires (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/090904assaultweapon.htm)

mayor daly there in chicago is an out of control gun grabber
gun confiscation in illinois (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904confiscationguns.htm)

Yeah and the reason why it wont be banned anymore is because the nra pays so much on bushs campaigns.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King,

There was no genocide in 1994 or 1995 in the united states.

because it wasnt a complete ban.....heres a follow up story to the gun confiscating going on in chicago
smile yor on daly's cameras (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/090904surveillanceplan.htm)

see what kind of tyranny you get when they steal your guns?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
A pistol can protect themselves and there family. You dont need an ak47 to do that.

your right...actually a short barrelled pump shotgun does the trick nicely....we need ak-47's to shoot Un troops when they roll them out in our streets......since there pussys if a few get shot the rest will run away

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
Yeah and the reason why it wont be banned anymore is because the nra pays so much on bushs campaigns.

the nra is a BS infiltrated org.
heres a couple great gun rights org.'s
www.gunowners.org
www.jpfo.org aaron zelman the guy that runs this site has a video called Innocents Betrayed about how when guns are confiscated genocide follows....in armenia, russia, china, rwanda,and a few other places

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
your right...actually a short barrelled pump shotgun does the trick nicely....we need ak-47's to shoot Un troops when they roll them out in our streets......since there pussys if a few get shot the rest will run away

IF that ever happens maybe ill agree with you though if you did that you would most likely get shot along with anyone else who was around you. The only reason anyone would need an ak is so that they can shoot alot of people at once. Noones going to waste money on ammunition just to shoot cans in there backyard or go hunting.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
IF that ever happens maybe ill agree with you though if you did that you would most likely get shot along with anyone else who was around you. The only reason anyone would need an ak is so that they can shoot alot of people at once. Noones going to waste money on ammunition just to shoot cans in there backyard or go hunting.

well if we are disarmed then they would try it.....if we are armed with enough firepower that prevents the UN from invading in the first place.....i would rather die than be a slave....i will fight for my country when the time comes

5 pictures down is the gun sculpture at the UN building (http://www.easynewyorkcity.com/Photo%20Gallery/statues.htm)

[Catabowl]

Here we are debating everything... when everyone knows Bush will win... He is leading in polls in the important States... also, he has the Ace of Spades trump card... We have Bin Laden captured... there is no doubt in my mind we do...

If you look at the time we caught Sadaam... Bush made a questionable statement... but everyone forgot it... and guess why... we caught the dictator in Iraq... if Bush and Kerry get in a debate... and Kerry wins and Bush says something bad... BAM... NEWS FLASH... Osama is caught...

Kerry has been know as a flip flopper... but he doesn't have a trump card like Bush does...

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Catabowl
Here we are debating everything... when everyone knows Bush will win... He is leading in polls in the important States... also, he has the Ace of Spades trump card... We have Bin Laden captured... there is no doubt in my mind we do...

If you look at the time we caught Sadaam... Bush made a questionable statement... but everyone forgot it... and guess why... we caught the dictator in Iraq... if Bush and Kerry get in a debate... and Kerry wins and Bush says something bad... BAM... NEWS FLASH... Osama is caught...

Kerry has been know as a flip flopper... but he doesn't have a trump card like Bush does...

they've had osama bin popsicle on ice for a couple yrs. probably in **** cheney's basement

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Catabowl
Here we are debating everything... when everyone knows Bush will win... He is leading in polls in the important States... also, he has the Ace of Spades trump card... We have Bin Laden captured... there is no doubt in my mind we do...

If you look at the time we caught Sadaam... Bush made a questionable statement... but everyone forgot it... and guess why... we caught the dictator in Iraq... if Bush and Kerry get in a debate... and Kerry wins and Bush says something bad... BAM... NEWS FLASH... Osama is caught...

Kerry has been know as a flip flopper... but he doesn't have a trump card like Bush does...

Bush is going to pull Osama out as soon has he starts to lose ground. If Bush goes for another 4 years he's going to be so far right it will make Kerry look like a tree hugging hippie.

[michaelg123789]

Hey, Bush came through little ol' Grand Haven today. Now that's excitement! :)

[williethebasset]

Were you on the bad side or the good side of the fence?

[michaelg123789]

Dunno really. Indifferent as I may be, it was a rather enjoyable experience seeing Air Force One land at an airport that normally houses nothing larger than a small Cessna.

[williethebasset]

Well, I wouldn't mnd seeing him visit my school. It would be split between the rednecks and the educated people. Its about a 50/50 split.

[senshuken]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Senshuken...

I have to tell you buddy....I can see plainly from your use of grammar and punctuation that you are a severely under-educated young man....Instead of wasting your time here trying to debate with the "big-boys" you should spend more time in school studying...I'm not saying this to insult you...It is just a plain fact pal...You are a typical result of our own government run education system...I guess we can't expect much from you can we?

First of all I am not on here to type proper english. Someone does not have to have an extensive vocabulary to be smart or use spell checker for that matter. I don't really give two flying ****s what you guys think about my grammer and wasted very little time checking it. As for you scorey liike I said it is guys like me who protect your ***! Its guys like my grandfather who is fully german but yet was there on ourside at D-day. If our country was made up of a bunch of people with your views and who think they know everything because they use proper grammer on bbmo, well like i have been saying there would be no america and then we would truly be slaves.

[senshuken]

Originally posted by williethebasset
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. IF THERE WAS A LIBERAL LIKE YOU I'D BE SAYING THE SAME THING

No **** willie you ****ing guuys are against anything and everything. **** you guys are against america. according to kingmob there would be no form of govt if it was up to him. Sorry to tell you kingbitch but there would always be a govt. Look back in the early 1900's when the gov wasn't that strong that is why the mob prospered. would you rather have our govt setting laws or mob guys threatining your life if you don't give them money that you earned.... if there was no govt kingbitch you would be beaten and robbed non -stop. i would make sure i got to kick the **** out of you. but back to what i was saying if there was no govt there would be organizations develop and they would run the counrty. look at the 3rd world countries. Better yet scorey, willie, and king ***** why don't all of you go live there and get the **** out. this isn't your country bitches.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
First of all I am not on here to type proper english. Someone does not have to have an extensive vocabulary to be smart or use spell checker for that matter. I don't really give two flying ****s what you guys think about my grammer and wasted very little time checking it. As for you scorey liike I said it is guys like me who protect your ***! Its guys like my grandfather who is fully german but yet was there on ourside at D-day. If our country was made up of a bunch of people with your views and who think they know everything because they use proper grammer on bbmo, well like i have been saying there would be no america and then we would truly be slaves.

your all ready a slave...your just too dumb too know it...

[Catabowl]

Originally posted by kingmob
your all ready a slave...your just too dumb too know it...

I'd rather be a slave in America then a slave in your make believe world Mob...

But if you think he is a slave then you must be well... a slave also ... and last time I checked... whenever a slave made a comment... the master would kick his @$$ all over his territory... nice comeback :rolleyes:

[senshuken]

Originally posted by Hash1
Yeah and the guy also has to clean up sh it all day lol. Labor workers are not dumb at all. You can still make a good living off it if you dont mind cleaning up sh it or being a construction worker etc.

LOL you liberals are suppost to be for the small guys. But yet the small guys who bust there ***, you wanna rip them and call them dumb. the world would not function without these citizens. They are alot more important to this country and world then idiots such as kingbitch,williebeatmeoff, and scareythePUSSY. These guys think they know everything and how to correct all the worlds prob. but they are semi-educated bumbs who read anything some rights on the internet and believes it.

I find it funny how i keep asking these people ther age, location, were there from and what they do for a living. but yet they fail to respond. this must mean they are embarresed and make my assumption true that they are lazy bitches in society.

If they know so much and how to fix everything why don't they do something about it instead of winning on here like 5 yr olds.

[senshuken]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Bush is going to pull Osama out as soon has he starts to lose ground. If Bush goes for another 4 years he's going to be so far right it will make Kerry look like a tree hugging hippie.

once again your and idiot. Once bush startslosing ground?? Bush has been gaining ground ever since he first polls on him and kerry. If you have the ability to remember kerryhad the l;ead and ****ed it up himself. Bush was behind caught up and now passed him. He doesn't need to use osama becaus ehe will coast from here. As far as i am conserned i hope they have osama and don't tell us about it so the can beat the **** out of hiim everyday. because you know as soon as we get him all you fags will be like we can't toture himits not right. Actually we should let a horse wih a 2 foot **** jam it so far up osama's *** that it punctures a lung. Then we should take him to ground zero and let all the new yorkers stone him. Just like wha they do in his country.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by senshuken
First of all I am not on here to type proper english. Someone does not have to have an extensive vocabulary to be smart or use spell checker for that matter. I don't really give two flying ****s what you guys think about my grammer and wasted very little time checking it. As for you scorey liike I said it is guys like me who protect your ***! Its guys like my grandfather who is fully german but yet was there on ourside at D-day. If our country was made up of a bunch of people with your views and who think they know everything because they use proper grammer on bbmo, well like i have been saying there would be no america and then we would truly be slaves.

1. You should have learned to spell properly and use correct grammar in school. Our Federally run schools might I add. If you haven't learned these basic skills then the system has failed you.

2. Guys like ME?...What exactly do you mean? Both my grandfathers served in the wars. My dad served in the Navy. I tried to serve but couldn't get admitted due to having asthma. Guess I wasnt' good enough for Uncle Sam.

3. I do not think I know everything. In fact there is alot I do not know. I am always open to new ideas. You seem to be short on those. :D

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
No **** willie you ****ing guuys are against anything and everything. **** you guys are against america. according to kingmob there would be no form of govt if it was up to him. Sorry to tell you kingbitch but there would always be a govt. Look back in the early 1900's when the gov wasn't that strong that is why the mob prospered. would you rather have our govt setting laws or mob guys threatining your life if you don't give them money that you earned.... if there was no govt kingbitch you would be beaten and robbed non -stop. i would make sure i got to kick the **** out of you. but back to what i was saying if there was no govt there would be organizations develop and they would run the counrty. look at the 3rd world countries. Better yet scorey, willie, and king ***** why don't all of you go live there and get the **** out. this isn't your country bitches.

i never said i was for no govt. ....but the govt. is a huge out of control monster trying to run everyones life....the organized crime is the govt. you *****.....thats what ive been saying

[senshuken]

short on new ideas?? i don't need to be open to ideas like
1.we are all slaves in america
2.govt did 911
3.bush is the anit-christ
4.there installing chips into us
and so on...

these ideas are so crazy. thats like saying you should be open to killing yourself. Um no. ther is no reason to even have to try and look at this guys point of view. The only thing that runs through your head is man we need to get this dude some help. bring him to a mental instituition.

[senshuken]

lol another movie for kingbitch. Our govt is actually a mob family. dude your off the wall. Well i guess since we all vote for the people in govt. then were all part of a mob family. better yet each country is its own mob family. you flucking dipshit!!! lol

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by senshuken
LOL you liberals are suppost to be for the small guys. But yet the small guys who bust there ***, you wanna rip them and call them dumb. the world would not function without these citizens. They are alot more important to this country and world then idiots such as kingbitch,williebeatmeoff, and scareythePUSSY. These guys think they know everything and how to correct all the worlds prob. but they are semi-educated bumbs who read anything some rights on the internet and believes it.

I find it funny how i keep asking these people ther age, location, were there from and what they do for a living. but yet they fail to respond. this must mean they are embarresed and make my assumption true that they are lazy bitches in society.

If they know so much and how to fix everything why don't they do something about it instead of winning on here like 5 yr olds.

1. I am definitely not a liberal. Far from it. I support the right to bear arms. 100% Against the murder of unborn babies. Support reduction in taxes. Think government is way too big and overbearing.

2. The small guys who bust their as ses...I am not calling them dumb???. I happen to fall into that category as I work for DaimlerChrysler as a factory worker in the UAW. I am 30 years old and have three kids and a lovely wife. I live in the midwest in the state of Indiana and am in fact only educated through the high school level. Does that satisfy you? But it's us small guys that need to arm ourselves with truth and find our what is really going on in this country. We are quickly going to he ll in a handbasket.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by senshuken
short on new ideas?? i don't need to be open to ideas like
1.we are all slaves in america
2.govt did 911
3.bush is the anit-christ
4.there installing chips into us
and so on...

these ideas are so crazy. thats like saying you should be open to killing yourself. Um no. ther is no reason to even have to try and look at this guys point of view. The only thing that runs through your head is man we need to get this dude some help. bring him to a mental instituition.

1. I have never said we are slaves in America???...

2. There is substantial evidence that our own government did in fact have a hand in the 9-11 attacks. It is just so unthinkable to the average American that our government would do such a thing that we pass this notion off as conspiracy.

3. Their will be an Anti-Christ...We have to be on the lookout for whomever it may be.

4. Verichip has it's own website you can check out. Just type in Verivhip into your browser and you will find it. It's not fantasy stuff, it's the truth. There was a story about it on the news the other day on ABC.

5. I am not in favor of forcing people into mental health screenings...but...Our President is

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by senshuken
lol another movie for kingbitch. Our govt is actually a mob family. dude your off the wall. Well i guess since we all vote for the people in govt. then were all part of a mob family. better yet each country is its own mob family. you flucking dipshit!!! lol

The candidates are basically hand picked for us by the ultra-elite in the world. We really don't have much of a say. Once again this is an idea that is against the mainstream so the average American would think this is impossible.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Catabowl
I'd rather be a slave in America then a slave in your make believe world Mob...

But if you think he is a slave then you must be well... a slave also ... and last time I checked... whenever a slave made a comment... the master would kick his @$$ all over his territory... nice comeback :rolleyes:

its not literal slavery catabowl ....its mind control propaganda....its the psych drugs millions of kids are on...basicaly its just like the matrix....so take a red pill and see where the rabbit hole goes....did you see all the people in ny that were arrested for standing there peacably holding anti-bush signs? ive read articles where the SS questioned a kid for a bumper sticker on his car.....a couple were arrested for wearing anti-bush t-shirts....how is this freedom?
maybe the new freedom is the freedom initititive to mentally screen all kids for mental illness? have you heard about that?
now in the house congress traitor rohrbacher is introducing a bill to repeal the 22nd admendment.....orrin hatch is also introducing a bill in the senate to repeal the 22nd admendment....so now in 2008 we will get a nazi for president.....in 2008 swartzennaeger will be your fuhrer....how does that make you feel about amerika now?...ahnold has publicly stated how much he admired hitler

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
LOL you liberals are suppost to be for the small guys. But yet the small guys who bust there ***, you wanna rip them and call them dumb. the world would not function without these citizens. They are alot more important to this country and world then idiots such as kingbitch,williebeatmeoff, and scareythePUSSY. These guys think they know everything and how to correct all the worlds prob. but they are semi-educated bumbs who read anything some rights on the internet and believes it.

I find it funny how i keep asking these people ther age, location, were there from and what they do for a living. but yet they fail to respond. this must mean they are embarresed and make my assumption true that they are lazy bitches in society.

If they know so much and how to fix everything why don't they do something about it instead of winning on here like 5 yr olds.

im 36... live in austin and i am self-employed.....i do do sumthing to make a difference.....i go to city council meetings....i aminvolving in political action groups....so bite me....
all those blue collar jobs you tout are now going to wetbacks....what jobs?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
once again your and idiot. Once bush startslosing ground?? Bush has been gaining ground ever since he first polls on him and kerry. If you have the ability to remember kerryhad the l;ead and ****ed it up himself. Bush was behind caught up and now passed him. He doesn't need to use osama becaus ehe will coast from here. As far as i am conserned i hope they have osama and don't tell us about it so the can beat the **** out of hiim everyday. because you know as soon as we get him all you fags will be like we can't toture himits not right. Actually we should let a horse wih a 2 foot **** jam it so far up osama's *** that it punctures a lung. Then we should take him to ground zero and let all the new yorkers stone him. Just like wha they do in his country.

ahhh so its ok to torture people now....this is classical double-think.....its ok if we torture people and bad when the nazis torture people.....your brainwashed......i guess its ok to sodomize iraqi boys and to rape iraqi women and little girls....how about attaching electrodes on iraqis balls.....we have taught the world how to torture....ever hear of the school of americas at ft. benning? they basicaly trained all the death squads in central america.....

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
lol another movie for kingbitch. Our govt is actually a mob family. dude your off the wall. Well i guess since we all vote for the people in govt. then were all part of a mob family. better yet each country is its own mob family. you flucking dipshit!!! lol

the CIA runs the whole drug trade....cocaine from south america and heroin from afghanistan....all that money from drugs goes directly to wall straeet and to fund cia black ops....how is this not organized crime?the govt. gives no bid contracts to there cronies in business like bechtel and halliburton ...how is this not racketeering?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by senshuken
short on new ideas?? i don't need to be open to ideas like
1.we are all slaves in america
2.govt did 911
3.bush is the anit-christ
4.there installing chips into us
and so on...

these ideas are so crazy. thats like saying you should be open to killing yourself. Um no. ther is no reason to even have to try and look at this guys point of view. The only thing that runs through your head is man we need to get this dude some help. bring him to a mental instituition.

4. here is that company that makes and implants the micro-chips
verichip (http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html)

they even have a chip-mobile....call em up they will come to your house....

i dont think bush is the anti-christ

the govt. did do 911....the officail govt. story is impossible

wow ....mental institution ...thats what the soviets did when you disagreed with the govt. ...im impressed senshmuck you get the new amerika
mental institutions for dissedents.....torture for our invented enemies.....blind obedience to big brother.....you will probably get a promotion

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
1. I am definitely not a liberal. Far from it. I support the right to bear arms. 100% Against the murder of unborn babies. Support reduction in taxes. Think government is way too big and overbearing.

2. The small guys who bust their as ses...I am not calling them dumb???. I happen to fall into that category as I work for DaimlerChrysler as a factory worker in the UAW. I am 30 years old and have three kids and a lovely wife. I live in the midwest in the state of Indiana and am in fact only educated through the high school level. Does that satifsy you? But it's us small guys that need to arm ourselves with truth and find our what is really going on in this country. We are quickly going to he ll in a handbasket.

amen scorey ....we have been lied to, cheated, and treated like slaves and it is way past time to stand up and demand accountability and the truth

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
The candidates are basically hand picked for us by the ultra-elite in the world. We really don't have much of a say. Once again this is an idea that is against the mainstream so the average American would think this is impossible.

its the amercian dictatorship

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by kingmob
im 36... live in austin and i am self-employed.....i do do sumthing to make a difference.....i go to city council meetings....i aminvolving in political action groups....so bite me....
all those blue collar jobs you tout are now going to wetbacks....what jobs?

Tell me about it...the blue collar jobs are eroding more and more every day...Just for instance where I work at the new "Daimler"Chrysler...before Daimler bought us out (it was sold to us as a merger)...we enjoyed unprecedented success and record profits. The UAW negotiated profit sharing for it's employees and before the Daimler disaster we enjoyed payments as high as $8000 for one year. Not one time since then have we seen one red cent. On the other side of the coin, the German employees regularly see profit sharing payments. All we can basically do now is sit back and watch as people get laid off left and right....jobs disappearing to Mexico and other places...At this point I am just thankful I still have a job...

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Tell me about it...the blue collar jobs are eroding more and more every day...Just for instance where I work at the new "Daimler"Chrysler...before Daimler bought us out (it was sold to us as a merger)...we enjoyed unprecedented success and record profits. The UAW negotiated profit sharing for it's employees and before the Daimler disaster we enjoyed payments as high as $8000 for one year. Not one time since then have we seen one red cent. On the other side of the coin, the German employees regularly see profit sharing payments. All we can basically do now is sit back and watch as people get laid off left and right....jobs disappearing to Mexico and other places...At this point I am just thankful I still have a job...

i hear ya man....my brother is in the iron workers union in kansas city and there having big problems there too.....down here in texas we are being invaded by millions of illegals.....what kills me is dept. homeland in-security hired a former russian kgb chief(primakov) to help institute the domestic passport system(your paperz pleaze) while leaving the border wide open.....we are now paying social security benifits for illegals....this is being done on purpose to kill the middle class in this country.....its easier for the globalists to bring us down than to elevate mexice.....scorey have you heard of the ftaa?(free trade area of america) basically its the european union model.....every country other than cuba will be in the american union with the capitol either in atlanta or miami or possibly panama city, panama.....this is due to come about sometime in 2005.....if you thought nafta was bad this is a million times worse.....wait till we literally have hundreds of millions of people pouring through the border.....our country is in dire straits

[Catabowl]

You bring up some points that defend your position but I have to overlook them becuase of your DUMB@$$ REMARKS...

Next you are gonna tell us that Anthrax was the United States idea as well...

Just shut your mouth about stupid stuff. Last time I checked this was a thread about who would you rather have as president... Why don't you just leave the US and go to Russia or France... idiot...

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Catabowl
You bring up some points that defend your position but I have to overlook them becuase of your DUMB@$$ REMARKS...

Next you are gonna tell us that Anthrax was the United States idea as well...

Just shut your mouth about stupid stuff. Last time I checked this was a thread about who would you rather have as president... Why don't you just leave the US and go to Russia or France... idiot...

if i'm such a dumbass ...tell me where im wrong? i'll debate ya till the cows come home but if you just attack me and call me names then that makes you the dumbarse.....
yes the anthrax attacks were the most weaponized anthrax ever seen....
anthrax attack on congress to grease the skids for the patriot act (http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
The candidates are basically hand picked for us by the ultra-elite in the world. We really don't have much of a say. Once again this is an idea that is against the mainstream so the average American would think this is impossible.

heres a bbc radio 4 report on skull-n-bones....its accurate and very interesting.....they have audio of there initiation ritual.....nice to know our christian conservative politicians are involved in satanic rituals....these people are sick and demented......and they are in charge....better wake up guys and wake up your friends and family if you love your freedom

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by Catabowl
You bring up some points that defend your position but I have to overlook them becuase of your DUMB@$$ REMARKS...

Next you are gonna tell us that Anthrax was the United States idea as well...

Just shut your mouth about stupid stuff. Last time I checked this was a thread about who would you rather have as president... Why don't you just leave the US and go to Russia or France... idiot...

Seriously man...Open your mind to the possibility that there are in fact things going on "behind the scenes" in our country. Do you ever wonder why all these people we supposedly "elect" into power seem to have alot of money? And...we all know money corrupts people however genuine they may "seem" to be. I would give more creedence to a conspiracy theory than I would to a story on the mainstream media. You think the government wants us to really know the truth? If you do, you're kidding yourself.

[Catabowl]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Seriously man...Open your mind to the possibility that there are in fact things going on "behind the scenes" in our country. Do you ever wonder why all these people we supposedly "elect" into power seem to have alot of money? And...we all know money corrupts people however genuine they may "seem" to be. I would give more creedence to a conspiracy theory than I would to a story on the mainstream media. You think the government wants us to really know the truth? If you do, you're kidding yourself.

There are things going on behind the scene... Name some elected people who just suddenly come into money... Most already have money... People send them money and they spend it on there campaign but anything extra... well they keep.. Are you gonna send it back to the people who gave it to you? how would you choose who gets what back?

Yes money corrupts SOME people... **** if the government was telling the truth ALL THE TIME... we would be in trouble... I don't mind if the government is hiding things from us... if others knew they would panic or do something rash...

If the people in America knew that we had something... guess what some people would do... they would steal it and try to sell it to the highest bidder... I don't disagree with you on the part where money corrupts people... I disagree with you that you say I am not paying attention to behind the scene stuff... I know they are there... EVERYONE DOES... just some more than others like Kingmob thinking we all have chips in our heads or whatever he meant by that...

I think you guys have gotten off the subject which is GEORGE BUSH OR JOHN KERRY

Who would you rather have as president?

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by Catabowl
Name some elected people who just suddenly come into money... Most already have money... I don't mind if the government is hiding things from us... I don't disagree with you on the part where money corrupts people... I disagree with you that you say I am not paying attention to behind the scene stuff... I know they are there... EVERYONE DOES... just some more than others like Kingmob thinking we all have chips in our heads or whatever he meant by that...

I think you guys have gotten off the subject which is GEORGE BUSH OR JOHN KERRY

Who would you rather have as president?

1. You are right...most already have money...Why? Why can't the average Joe like you or me have just as much of a chance at a high political office as someone with alot of cash?

2. You don't mind if the government is hiding things from us?...I thought the government was "we the people"....If we are indeed a self-run government then everyone should have access to information

3. I'm not sure about the chips in our head thing...I know that Verichip has come out with a chip you can now take voluntarily...How much longer until the government deems it necessary for all of us to have this and it becomes mandatory...?

4. Indeed we have gotten off topic...lol...My answer to that is neither...Why has the decision already been made for us?...How much influence did the American public have in selecting these 2 guys?

[Hash1]

Originally posted by senshuken
LOL you liberals are suppost to be for the small guys. But yet the small guys who bust there ***, you wanna rip them and call them dumb. the world would not function without these citizens. They are alot more important to this country and world then idiots such as kingbitch,williebeatmeoff, and scareythePUSSY. These guys think they know everything and how to correct all the worlds prob. but they are semi-educated bumbs who read anything some rights on the internet and believes it.

I find it funny how i keep asking these people ther age, location, were there from and what they do for a living. but yet they fail to respond. this must mean they are embarresed and make my assumption true that they are lazy bitches in society.

If they know so much and how to fix everything why don't they do something about it instead of winning on here like 5 yr olds.

i didnt rip them or call them dumb. I have nothing against them and i know that the world needs people like that. It is a good way to make money.

[Scorey1974]

Definitely a good way to make money...What would you rather do?...Work hard and make a decent living or have anything you want handed to you on a platter?...Just remember it's not always good to have everything you want...

[kingmob]

woops i forgot to link the bbc s-n-b report.....here it is
bbc radio 4 skull and bones report (http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204skullandbones.htm)

[Hash1]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
1. 100% Against the murder of unborn babies.

I think if someone is dumb enough to have unprotected sex than they should have to have the baby. If you dont want the baby than put it up for adoption. I seriously think that women who have had like 3 abortions should just be thrown in jail because that is terrible. I am not 100% against it though for one reason. Lets say a womans father rapes her and she becomes pregnant. Is it fair to her to have that child? Pretty much anyone who has been raped should be able to have an abortion(though i think it would be better to just have the baby and put it up for adoption). Some women that have been raped want to have an abortion because they are trying to do whatever they can to get over it and having a child that was the cause of it will not help them get over it. But like i said its not that hard to put your baby up for adoption. I do support anyone that has an abortion because of being raped by a family member. Theres always a very good chance that the baby will be born mentaly retarded

[kingmob]

the globalists fund and encourage abortion....its just evil.....we've had close to 50 million abortions since roe v. wade....its genocide

[Hash1]

it is evil but do you think that a woman should have to have a child when she was raped by her father??? Its not fair to her or the child since it will mostly likely be born with some type of disorder.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
it is evil but do you think that a woman should have to have a child when she was raped by her father??? Its not fair to her or the child since it will mostly likely be born with some type of disorder.

rape would be the only time i would condone abortion....yeah i guess so ....i still dont think ts right but that would be the only instance .....its still murder

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Hash1
I think if someone is dumb enough to have unprotected sex than they should have to have the baby. If you dont want the baby than put it up for adoption. I seriously think that women who have had like 3 abortions should just be thrown in jail because that is terrible. I am not 100% against it though for one reason. Lets say a womans father rapes her and she becomes pregnant. Is it fair to her to have that child? Pretty much anyone who has been raped should be able to have an abortion(though i think it would be better to just have the baby and put it up for adoption). Some women that have been raped want to have an abortion because they are trying to do whatever they can to get over it and having a child that was the cause of it will not help them get over it. But like i said its not that hard to put your baby up for adoption. I do support anyone that has an abortion because of being raped by a family member. Theres always a very good chance that the baby will be born mentaly retarded

Thats my view on it.

[RedsoxRockies]

Stop bumping these people! Mods, isn't there a way to check who is doing this? Because it is ****ing retarded

[HoustonGM]

Stop bumping these people! Mods, isn't there a way to check who is doing this? Because it is ****ing retarded
There's not for mods. I don't know about admins.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I think if someone is dumb enough to have unprotected sex than they should have to have the baby. If you dont want the baby than put it up for adoption. I seriously think that women who have had like 3 abortions should just be thrown in jail because that is terrible.

Thats my view on it.
wow Sarah Palin was a FORUM member :(:( to believe Men KNOW more about women's bodies than WOMEN & even then telling them what is right or wrong - woops reminds me of fundamentalist Muslims in Afghanistan,no ?

[TheNamelessPoet]

yes